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VOL. XXI. NO. 38.
PORTLAND, OBEOON, SUNDAY. MORNING. SEPTEMBER ' 21, 1902.
PRICE FIVE CENTS.
TO CURB TRUSTS
President Talks of the
HE SPEAKS AT CINCINNATI
National Control Is Favored
When State Fails.
CORPORATIONS MUST OBEY LAW
Executive Is Tendered a Great Ova
tion at His First Stop on His West
ern Tour, and Is Kept on the
Continual Jump tor 12 Hoars.
CINCINNATI, Sept. SO. "Roosevelt
day" at the Cincinnati Fall Festival broke
all records of attendance at these annual
carnivals. The weather was threatening
when the President arrived, and during:
the Indoor reception of the morning, but
exceptionally pleasant for the afternoon
and evening demonstrations. The city
never had more visitors in one day, and
never had a more enthusiastic holiday.
PresMent Roosevelt was the attraction
as guest of honor, and he served his hosts
with untiring willingness from 10 A. M.
until 10 P. M., without consulting his own
convenience or comfort. The directors of
the Fall Festival had arranged an elab
orate programme for every hour of the
day and night, and the President was al
ways ready, so that none of the events
was behind time. The President arrived
to the minute on time, and was on time
at all his engagements. Even th,o after
noon parade started on time to the min
ute from his hotel, and arrived at the
Exposition grounds on time, and the same
precision characterized the evening dem-
ROOSEYKLT ON TRUSTS.
Since the state cannot work along: the
same lines, I believe the best of grounds
xxltt for a ConstltattonaJ amendment for
National control of large corporations.
Corporations that are handled honest
ly and 'f Airly make lor the general pros
perity of our land.
Law can. guide, protect and control
industrial development, but it can never
In dealing with the big corporations. .
we intend to proceed not by revolution,
but by evolution.
The trust problem cannot be solved If
the qualities brought to Us solution are
panic, fear, envy, hatred and Ignorance.
The line of demarcation we draw must
always "be on conduct, not wealth.
onstrations. The President was kept on
his feet and busy for over 12 hours, with
the exception of the time at the noon
luncheon and the evening banquet, and
even then he was engaged in discussing
matters of public interest with the guests
of honor at his table.
Anions: Indulgences of tlie Day.
Among the indulgences of the day wis
an hour or more in the afternoon in sight
seeing at tho Fall Festival, including a
variety of "sideshows." After this exper
ience, he was escorted into the auditorium
of Music HalL which is on the Exposition
grounds, and delivered an address to an
Immense audience, with over 1000 business
men seated on the stage with him. At
6:30 P. M. a dinner was tendered the Pres
ident at the SL Nicholas Hotel, by the
Cincinnati Fall Festival Association. The
banquet hall was elaborately decorated,
and the music was by a large orchestra..
Over 400 plates were turned for the entire
Presidential party and leading citizens of
Cincinnati. Among those present were:
Senator J. B. Foraker, Governor Nash
and staff, Representatives Shattuc and
Bromwell and Mayor Fleischmann. At
the conclusion, at 8:15 P. M., the line of
march was again taken up for Music
Bands Break in to Stop Cheering;.
The crowds In the buildings and srounds
of the festival tonight were like those of
the afternoon. The President was greeted
with loud cheering, as his carriage ap
peared at the entrance, and when he was
escorted Into the auditorium tho demon
strations continued for some time. He
was again the recipient of flowers. After
being welcomed officially by Mayor
Fleischmann, and Introduced, he was
greeted with such a demonstration that
the bands broke in and secured order.
After thanking Mayor Fleischmann and
the officers' of thefestival for their cour
tesies and the audience for its hearty
greeting, the President especially request
ed attention, as he proposed, as the
Chief Executive of all the people, without
regard to party, to make an address on a
serious question. Silence then prevailed
until the first mention of the trust, when
tho applause broke out and continued at
Intervals. "When he was speaking about
holding corporations to the same respon
sibility as individuals, he was Interrupted
by a demonstration of approval. There
was another marked demonstration when
he advocated such a Constitutional
amendment as would give National con
trol of such corporations as had outgrown
the jurisdiction of the states.
President Roosevelt's address lasted an
hour. He frequently stopped to make lo
cal comments and applications of points
in his manuscript, which he held in his
hand. At the conclusion of his address he
was compelled to remain on the platform
some time in response to demonstrations,
and the band played several pieces after
he had concluded his address, the audience
meantime waving handkerchiefs and hats
and cheering vociferously.
After the meeting, the Presidential par
ty was driven to the Cincinnati, Hamil
ton & Dayton station direct, and their
special train left at midnight for Detroit.
The party will be joined in Chicago by
Secretary Shaw, Secretary "Wilson and
others for the Northwestern tour.
Dny Xenrly Marred by a Panic.
The unusually successful celebration of
the day came very near being marred
with a panic that would have cost
countless loss of life. It Is estimated
that over SOOO people were packed into the
auditorium ' when the President began
speaking. At the same time, the Adjoin
ing Exposition halls were crowded with
people viewing the exhibits, as they were
unable to gain admittance to Music Hall.
After the President had been sneaking
about 15 minutes, there was a great com
motion in Mechanical Hall, adjacent to
Music Hall on the north. The sparks from
an electric light had set a curtain on fire,
and the Fire Department had been called
to the scene. The police and attendants
of the Exposition soon put out tho fire,
but they had much more trouble In calm
ing the alarmed crowd, and it was with
great difficulty that Captain J. B. For
aker, son of the Senator, and one of the
officers of the day, headed off the Fire
Department from rushing Into the build
ing. Happily, one of the bands struck
up, ,and those who left the auditorium
were supposed to be going out to stop the
band rather than head off a panic Very
few in the auditorium where the Presi
dent was speaking knew anything aboujt
the incident, and the President-suffered
only a slight Interruption without know
lng what caused it.
The Arrival in Cincinnati.
CINCINNATI, O., Sept. 20. President
Roosevelt and party arrived .t 10 o'clock
at the Pennsylvania depot, and were es
corted to the St. Nicholas Hotel by Sen
ator Foraker. Mayor Fleischmann, Presi
dent Frank W. Foulks, the directors oi
the Cincinnati Fall Festival, and promi
nent citizens. Salutes of 21 guns were
fired from several points on the hilltops.
The decorations are elaborate all over
the city. The line of march from the
station was a' continuous throng of peo
ple for over a mile. The President bowed
repeatedly to the cheering crowds.
An effort was made to give the Presi
dent a fast morning ride. A large de
tachment of mounted police headed his
carriage while other officers along the
line on signal had the 'streets cleared be
tween the ropes. When most of the car
riages were full the start was made, leav
ing some of the carriages to be filled and
"catch up." The mounted police struck
a lively trot at once, and kept it up so
that the President was in his hotel In less
than 20 minutes after .leaving his car. Ho
held an Informal reception during the
forenoon, Senator Foraker introducing
The only stop of the special train after
leaving Columbus today was at Waynes
ville, where the President bowed to the
people. Crowds were out to see the train
at all suburban stations.
HIS SPEECH AT MUSIC HALL.
The President Discusses the Trust
and Means to Curb It.
CINCINNATI, 0.,'SepL 20. The speech
of President Roosevelt at the Auditorium
of Music Hall tonight was as follows:
"I wish to speak to you on the subject,
or group of subjects, which we mean
when we talk of the trusts. The word Is
used very loosely, and almost always
with technical Inaccuracy. But the aver
age man, when he speaks of the trusts,
means rather vaguely all of the very big
corporations, the growth of which has
been so signal a feature of our modern
times and especially those big corpora
tions which, though organized in one
state, do business in several states, and
some of which have a tendency to monop-
(Concluded on Second Bage.
FIGHT YET TO GOME
McBrideJs Railroad Scheme
May Be Defeated,
PRESSURE WILL BE ON SENATE
Conservative Estimate Based on Per
sonal Inclinations of- Legislators
and Constituents' Wishes Gives
Railroad People Majority.
OLYMPIA, Sept 20. (Special.) The big
politicians of the Republican party do not
look for a cessation of hostilities on the
railroad question In this s'tate, simply be
cause both parties have adopted commis
sion planks. There la one thing yet to
be reckoned on, and that is the tendency
of the average legislator, in considering
how to vote on all Important questions,
to feel the pulse of his own inclinations
first; consider the wishes of a district
constituents second, and lastly, If at all,
take a mental review of what the state
platform of hia party demands.
It is on this characteristic of the leg
islator that the railroad people those
who oppose the commission are count
ing. Special Interest is directed toward
the state Senate. Here there are 15 hold
overs, a majority of whom it Is consid
ered perhaps possible to convince that,
as they were elected In 1900, they are not
morally bound to follow the dictates of
tho state platform of 1902. Furthermore,
the Senate being the smaller and more
easily manipulated body, It Is there the
principal fight Is expected.
The following are the names of the hold
over Senators, giving their vote on the
final passage of the Preston railroad com
mission bill, which Is taken as the bill of
all the railroad measures before the last
Legislature that best brought out the real
Sentiment of the Senators on the wisdom
of railroad legislation as a general prop
Hallett . Tolman
Of the Senators In the aye column Tol
man and Hallett, of Spokane, and Garber,
of Lincoln and Okanogan, are Democrats
and might be switched at least Into the
JScpramJojkj:olumn, which, when
compared to an appointive' commission,
may be considered a pro-railroad meas
ure. All the five Republican hold-over Sena
tors who voted for the Preston bill have
received favors from Governor McBrlde
except Angle, and ought to remain solid.
Senator Welty, of Lewis, was allowed to
name the state librarian; Senator Sharp,
of Kittitas, suggested the name of the ap
pointee to the office of assistant horar
ian; the recommendations of Senator
Moultray, of Whatcom, were heeded-"in
the appointment of a fish commisMoner,
and Senator Sumner, of Everett, has been
given an honorary position as member of
the St. Louis Fair Commission.
Senator Sumner's county, however, Is
not In favcr of a railroad commission,
and Senator Angle represents a district
consisting of Mason, Kitsap and Island
Counties, which cast 14 for and seven
votes against the commission plank in
the Republican state convention. Sena
tor Moultray's county Is also strongly op
posed to the commission, but It Is not
probable that any of thcee votes can bo
Of the Senators who voted against the
Preston bill Senator Rands seems to be
the only one who might seriously dis
please his district by voting in a similar
way next year. His district is now
Clark County, Skamania having been
taken off, and Clark County went strong
for the commission in the Republican con
vention. Baumeister ha3 a district di
vided on the question, representing
Asotin and Garfield Counties for, and Co
lumbia County against the commission,
as indicated by the vote of the delega
tions to the state convention. Senator
Cornwell represents Adams, Franklin and
Walla Walla; Davis le from Pierce.;
Reser is a Democrat from Walla Walla;
Ruth Is from Thurston, and Stewart is
from Pierce, all railroad or seml-rallroad
counties. Therefore, the situation as to
hold-overs Is hopeful for the railroads.
There are 21 Senators to be elected this
year as follows: One each from Stevens,
Whitman, Chehalls, Snohomish, Skagit
and Whatcom Counties; two from Spo
OF THE PAST WEEK CRYSTALIZED, IN PICTORIAL FORM
kane County, two from Pierce County, 1
elKht from Klrur Countv. one from the !
Sixteenth district, composed of Klickitat
and Skamania Counties; one from the
Twenty-fourth ; district, - composed of
Clallam, Jefferson and San Juan Coun
ties; one from the Nineteenth district,
composed or Wahkiakum and Pacific
Undoubtedly good care was taken by
the Republicans of the last Legislature
in forming the new districts, to gerry
mander the state In the Interests of their
party. It will be hard work for any
Democrat to be elected and, therefore, the
calculations 'that have been made on the
make-up of the next Senate have been
on the theory that Republicans will be
elected In nearly. If not every Instance.
Taking the vote on the appointive com
mission plank In the Republican state
convention as an Indication of the desires
of each county on the railroad question,
the Senators to be elected, were It not
for the railroad plank in the platform,
could be expected to vote about as fol
lows by counties on the passage of an
appointive railroad commission bill:
Wahkiakum and Pacific 1
Klickitat and Skamania 1
Clallam, Jefferson, Ban Juan 1
Pierce I 1
But time and again have Legislatures
neglected to comply with the dictates of
the state platform of the dominant party,
and the hope that history may be in
duced to repeat Itself In the particular
of the railroad question will nelp along
the light. A very conservative estimate,
as slven above, and based onthe personal
Inclinations of the legislators and the
wishes of their constituents, gives the
railroad people a working majority of the
hold-overs and newly elected members
of the next Senate. There are predic
tions afloat that this situation will re
sult In the passage of a bill providing
for an appointive commission, which will
be taken as a salve for the conscience
of the Republican legislators for not fol
lowing the dictates of the party platform,
and which will be a welcome compro
mise to the railroads and a serious blow
to the McBrlde influences.
But the friends of the appointive com
mission will not sit Idly by while this
effort to circumvent the wish of the ma
jority of the party is In progress, so it
conditions and sentiments remain - un
changed a bitter fight may be looked for
In the next Legislature on the railroad
SCHOOLS SHORT ON COAL
Brooklyn Institutions Are Threat-'
encd With a ItecesS.
NEW YORK. Sept. 20. With only
enough coal left to finish out the month,
the Brooklyn ichools arc threatened with
an enforced recess. Only 1000 tons of coal
remain on hand for supplying 145 build
ings. By the most rigid economy this
amount can be made to last one week.
As it has been found impossible to get
a supply of coal In this country for the
Winter months for the 16 public schools
of Yonkers, the Board of Education has
decided to import coal from Wales rather
than close the schools. Bids were asked
for about 2000 tons of anthracite, the deal
ers being allowed all the latitude possible
in price. Not a bid was received.
MEXICO AND SILVER.
Future Events to Determine Change
la Monetary System.
MEXICO CITY. Sept. 20. The policy of
the government regarding the silver ques
tion and the gold standard Is officially de
clared to be awaiting developments. The
government will not act precipitately, but
will continue its inquiries Into the pro
duction, circulation and consumption of
silver and the advantages,, as well as the
disadvantage, which depreciation of the
white metal may occasion to this country.
This is precisely the attitude which the
London Statist takes, advising countries
using silver not to make haste to change
the monetary basts without due study and
MADE TO KISS NEGROES.
Teacher's Plan for Punishing? White
Pupils Cost Him His Position.
BELLAIRE, O., Sept. 20. The Board
of Education has demanded arid received
the resignation of J. O. Deafenbaugh,
principal of one of the schools, because
he compelled several white girls In the
school to kiss the colored girls, with
whom the former had quarreled. The ac
tion of the principal caused great Indigna
tion among the parents- of the white pu
DEATH LIST GROWS
Church Panic Now Known to
Have Cost 110 Lives,
EXPECT FIFTY FUNERALS TODAY
Fevr Whites "Were Injured In Bir
mingham Disaster, but' AH the
Dead Are Negroes Roosevelt
"Wires His Sympathy.
BIRMINGHAM, Ala., Sept. 20. The ne
gro population of Birmingham Is in
mourning, and gloom has been cast over
the entire state as the people begin to
realize the immensity of last night's ap
palling disaster at Shlloh Biptlst Church.
Up to 10 o'clock tonight, the number of
dead had reached 110, and 90 of these
have been identified. This makes an In
crease of 23 in the death list as given
last night. A large majority of victims of
the stampede were residents of Birming
ham, and as fast as the undertakers can
prepare their bodies for inspection they
are being identified. The injured negroes
are being cared for In the various hos
pitals and in private residences. All will
The undertakers of the city who pre
pared most of the bodies of the negroes
for burial have been unable to handle the
victims, and many of the bodies are still
scattered over the floors of these places.
Two of the undertakers, being unable to
care for the remains in their establish
ments, havo laid them out in rooms on
the floors of their stables. Crowds of ne
groes throng the alleys leading to the
various morgues, and in that portion of
the city the walling of women could be
heard all diy. As fast as the bodies can
be dressed and placed In coffins, they are
moved to the homes of their relatives,
and at least 50 funerals are expected to bo
Theodore Price, of New Orleans, among
the dead, was most worshipful grand
master of the Grand Lodge of Negro Ma
sons of Louisiana, and was well known
throughout the United States. Sarah Pey-
j ton, of New Orleans, also dead, was well
known as an active missionary worker.
Judge J. H. Ballou, of Baltimore, the
lawyer who is said to have precipitated
the panic by engaging In an altercation
with Hicks, the choir leader, has been ar
rested and Is In jail charged with disturb
ing public worship. Hicks has not been
L. Booker T. Washington has received the.
following telegram from President Roose
velt In regard to the disaster:
"I am shocked and horrified by the dis
aster at Birmingham, and desire to ex
press my great grief at the sad loss of
Investigation shows thatno white peo
ple were killed. A number of white visi
tors were In the church at the time, and
several of them were hurt In the wild
scramble, but none will die. Policeman
Elledge, who was standing at the exit en
deavoring to quiet the crowd, was caught
between the moving multitude and the
wall In the narrow passageway leading
down to the stairs, and nearly all his clotr
lng was torn from his body. Hi3 legs
also were mashed, but he will recover.
KNOX BACK FROM EUROPE
But Refuses to Talk Concerning: the
Panama Cnr.nl Title.
NEW YORK, Sept. 20. Attorney-General
P. C. Knox, who went to France
three weeks ago to attend a conference
with officials concerning the sale of the
Panama Canal to the United States, ar
rived on the 'St. Paul today. He would
say nothing of what passed at the confer
ence, nor would he admit that the title
to the canal had been found all right.
Judge Charles Russell, the Attorney
General's "assistant while abroad, also ar
rived on the St. Paul. Mr. Russell said
the title of the current concession of the
Colombian Government, which extends
from the year 1S3S to 1901. was all right,
but the concession to be substituted af
ter 1904 had not yet been affirmed. The
Attorney-General will go to Washington
German Bankers Congress.
FRANKFORT-ON-THE-MAIN. Sept. 20.
The General congress of Bankers held Its
first plenary meeting here. Representa
tives of the Imperial and provincial au
thorities were In attendance. The Presi
dent, Councillor of Justice Ricsser of Ber
lin. In his opening address expressed the
hope that the government would vigorous
ly press the Reichstag bill amending the
Bourse law. The prosperous development
of German agriculture, he pointed out,
was necessary to the well-being of the eco-
UNDER THE PEN OF THE OREGONIAN CARTOONIST.
0 MfMILlIT I
nomic position of the " country generally.
Privy Councillor Hauss, In behalf of the
Imperial Home Office, assured the meeting
that the result of Its deliberations, which
were of far-reaching Importance for the
whole Industrial life of Germany, would
meet with the most sympathetic consider
ation In official quarters.
DESCRIBES TRIP IN AIR.
Stanley Spencer Tells of His 30-Mile
Trip Over London.
LONDON, Sept. 20. Stanley Spencer,
the aeronaut, who yesterday traveled
nearly SO miles over London in an air
ship of his own invention, today furnished
interesting details of his flight among the
clouds. He said:
"At one time I feared an explosion of
the balloon, but the automatic valve pre
vented a catastrophe. The engine also
threatened to ignite the gas of the bal
loon, but this danger I also overcame.
"I had the machine under perfect con
trol and could turn In any direction. The
people .In the London thoroughfares
looked like black lines of ants.
"When I alighted the machine came
down so lightly that a child might have
been, under it without being hurt. The
distance covered was much further than
at first reported, being fully SO miles.
"I dropped balls as I went along. It
shows what an army could do with an
airship carrying bombs. My ship differs
from Santos-Dumont's in that it is pro
pelled In front. Its speed is seven and
one-half miles an hour.
"My present ship is a one-man affair,
but I can make one to accommodate any
reasonable number of persons."
SIMPLE FUNERAL FOR QUEEX.
Belgian Court Will Go Into Mourn
ing' Three Months.
BRUSSELS. Sept. 20. King Leopold will
reach Spa tomorrow. The remains of
Marie Henrietta will be removed to Brus
sels the same evening. Flas are at
half-mast, and the city Is In deep mourn
ing. It is understood that the funeral
of the Queen will be quite simple, so for
eign governments are not under the ne
cessity of sending missions.
The remains of the Queen will be placed
in the royal vault at the Castle 'of
Laeken. The court will go Into mourn
ing for three months. There will be no
public lying In state here. The funeral
Is expected to tnke place September 27.
C0NTEXTS OF TODAY'S PAPER.
President Roosevelt discusses the trust Issue at
Cincinnati. Pnge 1.
Chairman Babcock soys Henderson's action will
have no effect on election. Page 1".
"Jim Ham" Lewis gives out "Inside" informa
tion that Henderson Is to be Presidential
candidate. Page 17.
Revolutions in Tropics.
Six hundred American marines ordered assem
bled at Norfolk for probable service In Pan
ama. Page 2.
San Francisco ordered to Porto Rico to be
ready to meet call for reinforcements. Page 2.
Secretary Moody gives McLean orders regarding
transportation of other troops. Page 2.
Haytl takes active steps to end civil war, fear
ing American Intervention. Page 3.
"Death II?t In Alabamaychurchjdlsaster is grow
ing. Pnge 1.
Great sympathy meeting for miners In New
York. Pag 12.
Two people killed and 2G Injured in collision be
tween show and freight train.
Murderer Hooper Toung still evades New Tork
police. Page 3
Vohlcer makes three-quarter dash In 1:14. a
local record at Oregon State Fair. Page 7.
All-American bowling trio will visit Portland
November 0. Page 7.
Portland. 11; Tacoma, J. Page 9.
Seattle. 3; Butte. 0. Page 0.
Helena. 12; Spokane. 1. Page 9.
Commercial and Marine.
Surplus reserve of New York banks has been
completely wiped out. Page 23. .
Bank statement ha3 a depressing effect on New
York stock market. Page 23.
Steamer Indrapura arrives with valuable cargo
from the Orient. Page 11. '
engineers on ocean steamers may Join In the
strike. Page 11.
End of State Fair at Salem, the most success
ful event In history of the association.
People of Southeastern Alaska petition against
Alexander forest reserve. Page 0. t
Riot In San Francisco Grand Opcra-House.
Pago ' 0.
Representative Tongue again speaks for re
moval of tariff benefiting trusts. Page 9.
Portland and Vicinity.
Fire relief fund is past tho ?S0OO mark. Pago
Citizens discuss Columbia River bar with Gov-
eminent engineers. Page 1.
Columbia River & Northern will begin laying
rails on Lyle-Goldcndale road. Page 11.
George Y. Harry answers C. H. Mclsaac In
drydock controversy. Page 8.
Filipino merchants visit Portland. Page 10.
Work of the Visiting Nurses' Association. Page
Features and Departments.
Editorial. Page 4.
Books. Pace 31.
Where gold was first discovered In Oregon.
Lay sermons. Page 32.
Mr. Dooley'n letter. Page 26.
Ade's fable In slang. Page 30.
Questions and answers. Page 32.
Fashions. Page 28.
Youths' department. Page 29.
Social. Page 18.
Dramatic and musical. Page 20.
TO SCOUR j)
Citizens Tell Engineers
TO EXTEND JETTY OR NOT?
Shipping Men Want Obstacle
to Commerce Removed.
IS SEA DREDGE PRACTICABLE?
Officials Are Noncommittal as to Pro
Ject They Favor, but Express Ad
miration for Portland's Energy
in Keeping Channel Open.
"Glad to help Portland." said the Gov
eminent engineers yesterday.
A full tide of Influential citizens drifted
into the meeting which the engineers had
appointed for public discussion of the Co
lumbia bar. The currents of .suggestion
flowed and ebbed in several directions.
Important grain's of thought were stirred
up, and evidently found permanent lodg
ment In the channels of the engineers
The engineers appeared glad to hear
the citizens of Portland on a subject of
such Importance to the commerce of the
Columbia River, and they frankly said
so. But they gave no intimation of what
remedies they would advise. They were
extremely guarded in their replies. If
they dropped any hint that would index
their opinions, it was that they appre
hended the bar was too rough for an
ocean dredge, and that the currents
should be confined to narrower limits
than at present. As to whether the rem
edy should be extension of the present
jetty or creation of a new jetty from Cape
Disappointment, their answers were neu
tral. The board looked upon the problem
of the bar as one of engineering whose
solution was entirely feasible.
Surprised at Portland's "Work.
The members were greatly surprised
that Portland had done so much for tho
channel between this city and the ocean
with so little help from the General Gov
ernment. The heavy tax to which Port
land has subjected Itself to maintain this
channel awakened their admiration. They
said It Inspired them with a desire to help
all they could a city that has done so
much to help Itself.
Major "William L.. Marshall presided.
The other members of the board were
Captain Edward Burr. Captain J. C. San
ford, Captain Cassius E. Gillette and Cap
tain Charles H. McKlnstry. About two
dozen citizens were present. Among the
speakers were George Taylor, E. T. Will
iams, Benjamin I. Cohen, M. C. Banfield,
W. S. Sibson, Charles F. Beebe and Don
The board perched Itself In a receptive
mood, saying It had set apart the occa
sion for citizens to give personal views
and suggestions. The attitude of the citi
zens was that of urging the necessity of
immediate relief to navigation. They
were particularly eager to learn whether
an ocean dredge might not effect that re
lief. The engineers responded that if a
dredge was practicable the needs of the
bar called for the use of one. but they
did not lend assurance that a dredge wa3
"Would the board like to have sugges
tions from citizens present?" asked
George Taylor, after Major Marshall had
Introduced the objects of the meeting.
"Yes," responded the chair, "we will
receive any Information that is offered."
Views of George Taylor, Jr.
"I speak as a layman and a landsman,"
replied George Taylor, Jr., "and what I
say Is only In the line of suggestion, for
I realize that your professional knowledge
of the subject is qualified to cope with,
this question better than is my amateur
acquaintance with it. Whether the bar
should have a north-side or a south-side
Jetty Is left to your judgment.
"It seems to me that a combination of.
dredge and Jetty might accomplish relief
In the quickest possible time. A dredge
might remove a large amount of sand In
the two months between the middle of
July and the middle of. September. With
the help of a jetty such work might keep
the bar channels clear. The question, of
course, Is whether the heavy swell of the
bar would permit the operation of &
The speaker went on to speak about a
big dredge at the mouth of the Mersey
River, which removed something like 4000
tons of sand In 45 minutes. He said that
each load took up about four hours. If
such a dredge could work all day here, it
might make six trips and remove, say,
24.CCO tons a day. At Liverpool there were
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