4 I) 32 PAGES PAGES 1 TO 8 VOL. XXI. NO. 38. PORTLAND, OBEOON, SUNDAY. MORNING. SEPTEMBER ' 21, 1902. PRICE FIVE CENTS. TO CURB TRUSTS President Talks of the Problem. HE SPEAKS AT CINCINNATI National Control Is Favored When State Fails. CORPORATIONS MUST OBEY LAW Executive Is Tendered a Great Ova tion at His First Stop on His West ern Tour, and Is Kept on the Continual Jump tor 12 Hoars. CINCINNATI, Sept. SO. "Roosevelt day" at the Cincinnati Fall Festival broke all records of attendance at these annual carnivals. The weather was threatening when the President arrived, and during: the Indoor reception of the morning, but exceptionally pleasant for the afternoon and evening demonstrations. The city never had more visitors in one day, and never had a more enthusiastic holiday. PresMent Roosevelt was the attraction as guest of honor, and he served his hosts with untiring willingness from 10 A. M. until 10 P. M., without consulting his own convenience or comfort. The directors of the Fall Festival had arranged an elab orate programme for every hour of the day and night, and the President was al ways ready, so that none of the events was behind time. The President arrived to the minute on time, and was on time at all his engagements. Even th,o after noon parade started on time to the min ute from his hotel, and arrived at the Exposition grounds on time, and the same precision characterized the evening dem- ROOSEYKLT ON TRUSTS. Since the state cannot work along: the same lines, I believe the best of grounds xxltt for a ConstltattonaJ amendment for National control of large corporations. Corporations that are handled honest ly and 'f Airly make lor the general pros perity of our land. Law can. guide, protect and control industrial development, but it can never cause it. In dealing with the big corporations. . we intend to proceed not by revolution, but by evolution. The trust problem cannot be solved If the qualities brought to Us solution are panic, fear, envy, hatred and Ignorance. The line of demarcation we draw must always "be on conduct, not wealth. onstrations. The President was kept on his feet and busy for over 12 hours, with the exception of the time at the noon luncheon and the evening banquet, and even then he was engaged in discussing matters of public interest with the guests of honor at his table. Anions: Indulgences of tlie Day. Among the indulgences of the day wis an hour or more in the afternoon in sight seeing at tho Fall Festival, including a variety of "sideshows." After this exper ience, he was escorted into the auditorium of Music HalL which is on the Exposition grounds, and delivered an address to an Immense audience, with over 1000 business men seated on the stage with him. At 6:30 P. M. a dinner was tendered the Pres ident at the SL Nicholas Hotel, by the Cincinnati Fall Festival Association. The banquet hall was elaborately decorated, and the music was by a large orchestra.. Over 400 plates were turned for the entire Presidential party and leading citizens of Cincinnati. Among those present were: Senator J. B. Foraker, Governor Nash and staff, Representatives Shattuc and Bromwell and Mayor Fleischmann. At the conclusion, at 8:15 P. M., the line of march was again taken up for Music Kali. Bands Break in to Stop Cheering;. The crowds In the buildings and srounds of the festival tonight were like those of the afternoon. The President was greeted with loud cheering, as his carriage ap peared at the entrance, and when he was escorted Into the auditorium tho demon strations continued for some time. He was again the recipient of flowers. After being welcomed officially by Mayor Fleischmann, and Introduced, he was greeted with such a demonstration that the bands broke in and secured order. After thanking Mayor Fleischmann and the officers' of thefestival for their cour tesies and the audience for its hearty greeting, the President especially request ed attention, as he proposed, as the Chief Executive of all the people, without regard to party, to make an address on a serious question. Silence then prevailed until the first mention of the trust, when tho applause broke out and continued at Intervals. "When he was speaking about holding corporations to the same respon sibility as individuals, he was Interrupted by a demonstration of approval. There was another marked demonstration when he advocated such a Constitutional amendment as would give National con trol of such corporations as had outgrown the jurisdiction of the states. President Roosevelt's address lasted an hour. He frequently stopped to make lo cal comments and applications of points in his manuscript, which he held in his hand. At the conclusion of his address he was compelled to remain on the platform some time in response to demonstrations, and the band played several pieces after he had concluded his address, the audience meantime waving handkerchiefs and hats and cheering vociferously. After the meeting, the Presidential par ty was driven to the Cincinnati, Hamil ton & Dayton station direct, and their special train left at midnight for Detroit. The party will be joined in Chicago by Secretary Shaw, Secretary "Wilson and others for the Northwestern tour. Dny Xenrly Marred by a Panic. The unusually successful celebration of the day came very near being marred with a panic that would have cost countless loss of life. It Is estimated that over SOOO people were packed into the auditorium ' when the President began speaking. At the same time, the Adjoin ing Exposition halls were crowded with people viewing the exhibits, as they were unable to gain admittance to Music Hall. After the President had been sneaking about 15 minutes, there was a great com motion in Mechanical Hall, adjacent to Music Hall on the north. The sparks from an electric light had set a curtain on fire, and the Fire Department had been called to the scene. The police and attendants of the Exposition soon put out tho fire, but they had much more trouble In calm ing the alarmed crowd, and it was with great difficulty that Captain J. B. For aker, son of the Senator, and one of the officers of the day, headed off the Fire Department from rushing Into the build ing. Happily, one of the bands struck up, ,and those who left the auditorium were supposed to be going out to stop the band rather than head off a panic Very few in the auditorium where the Presi dent was speaking knew anything aboujt the incident, and the President-suffered only a slight Interruption without know lng what caused it. The Arrival in Cincinnati. CINCINNATI, O., Sept. 20. President Roosevelt and party arrived .t 10 o'clock at the Pennsylvania depot, and were es corted to the St. Nicholas Hotel by Sen ator Foraker. Mayor Fleischmann, Presi dent Frank W. Foulks, the directors oi the Cincinnati Fall Festival, and promi nent citizens. Salutes of 21 guns were fired from several points on the hilltops. The decorations are elaborate all over the city. The line of march from the station was a' continuous throng of peo ple for over a mile. The President bowed repeatedly to the cheering crowds. An effort was made to give the Presi dent a fast morning ride. A large de tachment of mounted police headed his carriage while other officers along the line on signal had the 'streets cleared be tween the ropes. When most of the car riages were full the start was made, leav ing some of the carriages to be filled and "catch up." The mounted police struck a lively trot at once, and kept it up so that the President was in his hotel In less than 20 minutes after .leaving his car. Ho held an Informal reception during the forenoon, Senator Foraker introducing visitors. The only stop of the special train after leaving Columbus today was at Waynes ville, where the President bowed to the people. Crowds were out to see the train at all suburban stations. HIS SPEECH AT MUSIC HALL. The President Discusses the Trust and Means to Curb It. CINCINNATI, 0.,'SepL 20. The speech of President Roosevelt at the Auditorium of Music Hall tonight was as follows: "I wish to speak to you on the subject, or group of subjects, which we mean when we talk of the trusts. The word Is used very loosely, and almost always with technical Inaccuracy. But the aver age man, when he speaks of the trusts, means rather vaguely all of the very big corporations, the growth of which has been so signal a feature of our modern times and especially those big corpora tions which, though organized in one state, do business in several states, and some of which have a tendency to monop- (Concluded on Second Bage. LEADING EVENTS , FIGHT YET TO GOME McBrideJs Railroad Scheme May Be Defeated, PRESSURE WILL BE ON SENATE Conservative Estimate Based on Per sonal Inclinations of- Legislators and Constituents' Wishes Gives Railroad People Majority. OLYMPIA, Sept 20. (Special.) The big politicians of the Republican party do not look for a cessation of hostilities on the railroad question In this s'tate, simply be cause both parties have adopted commis sion planks. There la one thing yet to be reckoned on, and that is the tendency of the average legislator, in considering how to vote on all Important questions, to feel the pulse of his own inclinations first; consider the wishes of a district constituents second, and lastly, If at all, take a mental review of what the state platform of hia party demands. It is on this characteristic of the leg islator that the railroad people those who oppose the commission are count ing. Special Interest is directed toward the state Senate. Here there are 15 hold overs, a majority of whom it Is consid ered perhaps possible to convince that, as they were elected In 1900, they are not morally bound to follow the dictates of tho state platform of 1902. Furthermore, the Senate being the smaller and more easily manipulated body, It Is there the principal fight Is expected. The following are the names of the hold over Senators, giving their vote on the final passage of the Preston railroad com mission bill, which Is taken as the bill of all the railroad measures before the last Legislature that best brought out the real Sentiment of the Senators on the wisdom of railroad legislation as a general prop osition: AXES. Angle Sharp Garber Sumner Hallett . Tolman Moultray Welty NOES; Baumeister Cornwell Davis Rands Reser Ruth Stewart Of the Senators In the aye column Tol man and Hallett, of Spokane, and Garber, of Lincoln and Okanogan, are Democrats and might be switched at least Into the JScpramJojkj:olumn, which, when compared to an appointive' commission, may be considered a pro-railroad meas ure. All the five Republican hold-over Sena tors who voted for the Preston bill have received favors from Governor McBrlde except Angle, and ought to remain solid. Senator Welty, of Lewis, was allowed to name the state librarian; Senator Sharp, of Kittitas, suggested the name of the ap pointee to the office of assistant horar ian; the recommendations of Senator Moultray, of Whatcom, were heeded-"in the appointment of a fish commisMoner, and Senator Sumner, of Everett, has been given an honorary position as member of the St. Louis Fair Commission. Senator Sumner's county, however, Is not In favcr of a railroad commission, and Senator Angle represents a district consisting of Mason, Kitsap and Island Counties, which cast 14 for and seven votes against the commission plank in the Republican state convention. Sena tor Moultray's county Is also strongly op posed to the commission, but It Is not probable that any of thcee votes can bo changed. Of the Senators who voted against the Preston bill Senator Rands seems to be the only one who might seriously dis please his district by voting in a similar way next year. His district is now Clark County, Skamania having been taken off, and Clark County went strong for the commission in the Republican con vention. Baumeister ha3 a district di vided on the question, representing Asotin and Garfield Counties for, and Co lumbia County against the commission, as indicated by the vote of the delega tions to the state convention. Senator Cornwell represents Adams, Franklin and Walla Walla; Davis le from Pierce.; Reser is a Democrat from Walla Walla; Ruth Is from Thurston, and Stewart is from Pierce, all railroad or seml-rallroad counties. Therefore, the situation as to hold-overs Is hopeful for the railroads. There are 21 Senators to be elected this year as follows: One each from Stevens, Whitman, Chehalls, Snohomish, Skagit and Whatcom Counties; two from Spo OF THE PAST WEEK CRYSTALIZED, IN PICTORIAL FORM v kane County, two from Pierce County, 1 elKht from Klrur Countv. one from the ! Sixteenth district, composed of Klickitat and Skamania Counties; one from the Twenty-fourth ; district, - composed of Clallam, Jefferson and San Juan Coun ties; one from the Nineteenth district, composed or Wahkiakum and Pacific Counties. Undoubtedly good care was taken by the Republicans of the last Legislature in forming the new districts, to gerry mander the state In the Interests of their party. It will be hard work for any Democrat to be elected and, therefore, the calculations 'that have been made on the make-up of the next Senate have been on the theory that Republicans will be elected In nearly. If not every Instance. Taking the vote on the appointive com mission plank In the Republican state convention as an Indication of the desires of each county on the railroad question, the Senators to be elected, were It not for the railroad plank in the platform, could be expected to vote about as fol lows by counties on the passage of an appointive railroad commission bill: AYES. Stevens 1 Spokane 1 Whitman 1 Wahkiakum and Pacific 1 Pierce 1 King 4 Skagit 1 Total 10 NOES. Spokane 1 Klickitat and Skamania 1 Chehalls 1 Clallam, Jefferson, Ban Juan 1 Pierce I 1 King Snohomish 1 Whatcom 1 Total II But time and again have Legislatures neglected to comply with the dictates of the state platform of the dominant party, and the hope that history may be in duced to repeat Itself In the particular of the railroad question will nelp along the light. A very conservative estimate, as slven above, and based onthe personal Inclinations of the legislators and the wishes of their constituents, gives the railroad people a working majority of the hold-overs and newly elected members of the next Senate. There are predic tions afloat that this situation will re sult In the passage of a bill providing for an appointive commission, which will be taken as a salve for the conscience of the Republican legislators for not fol lowing the dictates of the party platform, and which will be a welcome compro mise to the railroads and a serious blow to the McBrlde influences. But the friends of the appointive com mission will not sit Idly by while this effort to circumvent the wish of the ma jority of the party is In progress, so it conditions and sentiments remain - un changed a bitter fight may be looked for In the next Legislature on the railroad question. SCHOOLS SHORT ON COAL Brooklyn Institutions Are Threat-' encd With a ItecesS. NEW YORK. Sept. 20. With only enough coal left to finish out the month, the Brooklyn ichools arc threatened with an enforced recess. Only 1000 tons of coal remain on hand for supplying 145 build ings. By the most rigid economy this amount can be made to last one week. As it has been found impossible to get a supply of coal In this country for the Winter months for the 16 public schools of Yonkers, the Board of Education has decided to import coal from Wales rather than close the schools. Bids were asked for about 2000 tons of anthracite, the deal ers being allowed all the latitude possible in price. Not a bid was received. MEXICO AND SILVER. Future Events to Determine Change la Monetary System. MEXICO CITY. Sept. 20. The policy of the government regarding the silver ques tion and the gold standard Is officially de clared to be awaiting developments. The government will not act precipitately, but will continue its inquiries Into the pro duction, circulation and consumption of silver and the advantages,, as well as the disadvantage, which depreciation of the white metal may occasion to this country. This is precisely the attitude which the London Statist takes, advising countries using silver not to make haste to change the monetary basts without due study and preparation. MADE TO KISS NEGROES. Teacher's Plan for Punishing? White Pupils Cost Him His Position. BELLAIRE, O., Sept. 20. The Board of Education has demanded arid received the resignation of J. O. Deafenbaugh, principal of one of the schools, because he compelled several white girls In the school to kiss the colored girls, with whom the former had quarreled. The ac tion of the principal caused great Indigna tion among the parents- of the white pu pils, r DEATH LIST GROWS Church Panic Now Known to Have Cost 110 Lives, EXPECT FIFTY FUNERALS TODAY Fevr Whites "Were Injured In Bir mingham Disaster, but' AH the Dead Are Negroes Roosevelt "Wires His Sympathy. BIRMINGHAM, Ala., Sept. 20. The ne gro population of Birmingham Is in mourning, and gloom has been cast over the entire state as the people begin to realize the immensity of last night's ap palling disaster at Shlloh Biptlst Church. Up to 10 o'clock tonight, the number of dead had reached 110, and 90 of these have been identified. This makes an In crease of 23 in the death list as given last night. A large majority of victims of the stampede were residents of Birming ham, and as fast as the undertakers can prepare their bodies for inspection they are being identified. The injured negroes are being cared for In the various hos pitals and in private residences. All will probably recover. The undertakers of the city who pre pared most of the bodies of the negroes for burial have been unable to handle the victims, and many of the bodies are still scattered over the floors of these places. Two of the undertakers, being unable to care for the remains in their establish ments, havo laid them out in rooms on the floors of their stables. Crowds of ne groes throng the alleys leading to the various morgues, and in that portion of the city the walling of women could be heard all diy. As fast as the bodies can be dressed and placed In coffins, they are moved to the homes of their relatives, and at least 50 funerals are expected to bo held tomorrow. Theodore Price, of New Orleans, among the dead, was most worshipful grand master of the Grand Lodge of Negro Ma sons of Louisiana, and was well known throughout the United States. Sarah Pey- j ton, of New Orleans, also dead, was well known as an active missionary worker. Judge J. H. Ballou, of Baltimore, the lawyer who is said to have precipitated the panic by engaging In an altercation with Hicks, the choir leader, has been ar rested and Is In jail charged with disturb ing public worship. Hicks has not been located. L. Booker T. Washington has received the. following telegram from President Roose velt In regard to the disaster: "I am shocked and horrified by the dis aster at Birmingham, and desire to ex press my great grief at the sad loss of life." Investigation shows thatno white peo ple were killed. A number of white visi tors were In the church at the time, and several of them were hurt In the wild scramble, but none will die. Policeman Elledge, who was standing at the exit en deavoring to quiet the crowd, was caught between the moving multitude and the wall In the narrow passageway leading down to the stairs, and nearly all his clotr lng was torn from his body. Hi3 legs also were mashed, but he will recover. KNOX BACK FROM EUROPE But Refuses to Talk Concerning: the Panama Cnr.nl Title. NEW YORK, Sept. 20. Attorney-General P. C. Knox, who went to France three weeks ago to attend a conference with officials concerning the sale of the Panama Canal to the United States, ar rived on the 'St. Paul today. He would say nothing of what passed at the confer ence, nor would he admit that the title to the canal had been found all right. Judge Charles Russell, the Attorney General's "assistant while abroad, also ar rived on the St. Paul. Mr. Russell said the title of the current concession of the Colombian Government, which extends from the year 1S3S to 1901. was all right, but the concession to be substituted af ter 1904 had not yet been affirmed. The Attorney-General will go to Washington tomorrow. German Bankers Congress. FRANKFORT-ON-THE-MAIN. Sept. 20. The General congress of Bankers held Its first plenary meeting here. Representa tives of the Imperial and provincial au thorities were In attendance. The Presi dent, Councillor of Justice Ricsser of Ber lin. In his opening address expressed the hope that the government would vigorous ly press the Reichstag bill amending the Bourse law. The prosperous development of German agriculture, he pointed out, was necessary to the well-being of the eco- UNDER THE PEN OF THE OREGONIAN CARTOONIST. 0 MfMILlIT I nomic position of the " country generally. Privy Councillor Hauss, In behalf of the Imperial Home Office, assured the meeting that the result of Its deliberations, which were of far-reaching Importance for the whole Industrial life of Germany, would meet with the most sympathetic consider ation In official quarters. DESCRIBES TRIP IN AIR. Stanley Spencer Tells of His 30-Mile Trip Over London. LONDON, Sept. 20. Stanley Spencer, the aeronaut, who yesterday traveled nearly SO miles over London in an air ship of his own invention, today furnished interesting details of his flight among the clouds. He said: "At one time I feared an explosion of the balloon, but the automatic valve pre vented a catastrophe. The engine also threatened to ignite the gas of the bal loon, but this danger I also overcame. "I had the machine under perfect con trol and could turn In any direction. The people .In the London thoroughfares looked like black lines of ants. "When I alighted the machine came down so lightly that a child might have been, under it without being hurt. The distance covered was much further than at first reported, being fully SO miles. "I dropped balls as I went along. It shows what an army could do with an airship carrying bombs. My ship differs from Santos-Dumont's in that it is pro pelled In front. Its speed is seven and one-half miles an hour. "My present ship is a one-man affair, but I can make one to accommodate any reasonable number of persons." SIMPLE FUNERAL FOR QUEEX. Belgian Court Will Go Into Mourn ing' Three Months. BRUSSELS. Sept. 20. King Leopold will reach Spa tomorrow. The remains of Marie Henrietta will be removed to Brus sels the same evening. Flas are at half-mast, and the city Is In deep mourn ing. It is understood that the funeral of the Queen will be quite simple, so for eign governments are not under the ne cessity of sending missions. The remains of the Queen will be placed in the royal vault at the Castle 'of Laeken. The court will go Into mourn ing for three months. There will be no public lying In state here. The funeral Is expected to tnke place September 27. C0NTEXTS OF TODAY'S PAPER. Political. President Roosevelt discusses the trust Issue at Cincinnati. Pnge 1. Chairman Babcock soys Henderson's action will have no effect on election. Page 1". "Jim Ham" Lewis gives out "Inside" informa tion that Henderson Is to be Presidential candidate. Page 17. Revolutions in Tropics. Six hundred American marines ordered assem bled at Norfolk for probable service In Pan ama. Page 2. San Francisco ordered to Porto Rico to be ready to meet call for reinforcements. Page 2. Secretary Moody gives McLean orders regarding transportation of other troops. Page 2. Haytl takes active steps to end civil war, fear ing American Intervention. Page 3. Gcncrnl. "Death II?t In Alabamaychurchjdlsaster is grow ing. Pnge 1. Great sympathy meeting for miners In New York. Pag 12. Two people killed and 2G Injured in collision be tween show and freight train. Murderer Hooper Toung still evades New Tork police. Page 3 Sport. Vohlcer makes three-quarter dash In 1:14. a local record at Oregon State Fair. Page 7. All-American bowling trio will visit Portland November 0. Page 7. Portland. 11; Tacoma, J. Page 9. Seattle. 3; Butte. 0. Page 0. Helena. 12; Spokane. 1. Page 9. Commercial and Marine. Surplus reserve of New York banks has been completely wiped out. Page 23. . Bank statement ha3 a depressing effect on New York stock market. Page 23. Steamer Indrapura arrives with valuable cargo from the Orient. Page 11. ' engineers on ocean steamers may Join In the strike. Page 11. Pacific Const. End of State Fair at Salem, the most success ful event In history of the association. Page 0. People of Southeastern Alaska petition against Alexander forest reserve. Page 0. t Riot In San Francisco Grand Opcra-House. Pago ' 0. Representative Tongue again speaks for re moval of tariff benefiting trusts. Page 9. Portland and Vicinity. Fire relief fund is past tho ?S0OO mark. Pago 17. Citizens discuss Columbia River bar with Gov- eminent engineers. Page 1. Columbia River & Northern will begin laying rails on Lyle-Goldcndale road. Page 11. George Y. Harry answers C. H. Mclsaac In drydock controversy. Page 8. Filipino merchants visit Portland. Page 10. Work of the Visiting Nurses' Association. Page 24. Features and Departments. Editorial. Page 4. Books. Pace 31. Where gold was first discovered In Oregon. Page 23. Lay sermons. Page 32. Mr. Dooley'n letter. Page 26. Ade's fable In slang. Page 30. Questions and answers. Page 32. Fashions. Page 28. Youths' department. Page 29. Social. Page 18. Dramatic and musical. Page 20. TO SCOUR j) Citizens Tell Engineers How. TO EXTEND JETTY OR NOT? Shipping Men Want Obstacle to Commerce Removed. IS SEA DREDGE PRACTICABLE? Officials Are Noncommittal as to Pro Ject They Favor, but Express Ad miration for Portland's Energy in Keeping Channel Open. "Glad to help Portland." said the Gov eminent engineers yesterday. A full tide of Influential citizens drifted into the meeting which the engineers had appointed for public discussion of the Co lumbia bar. The currents of .suggestion flowed and ebbed in several directions. Important grain's of thought were stirred up, and evidently found permanent lodg ment In the channels of the engineers minds. The engineers appeared glad to hear the citizens of Portland on a subject of such Importance to the commerce of the Columbia River, and they frankly said so. But they gave no intimation of what remedies they would advise. They were extremely guarded in their replies. If they dropped any hint that would index their opinions, it was that they appre hended the bar was too rough for an ocean dredge, and that the currents should be confined to narrower limits than at present. As to whether the rem edy should be extension of the present jetty or creation of a new jetty from Cape Disappointment, their answers were neu tral. The board looked upon the problem of the bar as one of engineering whose solution was entirely feasible. Surprised at Portland's "Work. The members were greatly surprised that Portland had done so much for tho channel between this city and the ocean with so little help from the General Gov ernment. The heavy tax to which Port land has subjected Itself to maintain this channel awakened their admiration. They said It Inspired them with a desire to help all they could a city that has done so much to help Itself. Major "William L.. Marshall presided. The other members of the board were Captain Edward Burr. Captain J. C. San ford, Captain Cassius E. Gillette and Cap tain Charles H. McKlnstry. About two dozen citizens were present. Among the speakers were George Taylor, E. T. Will iams, Benjamin I. Cohen, M. C. Banfield, W. S. Sibson, Charles F. Beebe and Don ald Macleay. The board perched Itself In a receptive mood, saying It had set apart the occa sion for citizens to give personal views and suggestions. The attitude of the citi zens was that of urging the necessity of immediate relief to navigation. They were particularly eager to learn whether an ocean dredge might not effect that re lief. The engineers responded that if a dredge was practicable the needs of the bar called for the use of one. but they did not lend assurance that a dredge wa3 practicable. "Would the board like to have sugges tions from citizens present?" asked George Taylor, after Major Marshall had Introduced the objects of the meeting. "Yes," responded the chair, "we will receive any Information that is offered." Views of George Taylor, Jr. "I speak as a layman and a landsman," replied George Taylor, Jr., "and what I say Is only In the line of suggestion, for I realize that your professional knowledge of the subject is qualified to cope with, this question better than is my amateur acquaintance with it. Whether the bar should have a north-side or a south-side Jetty Is left to your judgment. "It seems to me that a combination of. dredge and Jetty might accomplish relief In the quickest possible time. A dredge might remove a large amount of sand In the two months between the middle of July and the middle of. September. With the help of a jetty such work might keep the bar channels clear. The question, of course, Is whether the heavy swell of the bar would permit the operation of & dredge." The speaker went on to speak about a big dredge at the mouth of the Mersey River, which removed something like 4000 tons of sand In 45 minutes. He said that each load took up about four hours. If such a dredge could work all day here, it might make six trips and remove, say, 24.CCO tons a day. At Liverpool there were (Concluded on Second Page.)