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MONDAY. JULY 1. 18E3 MEDFORD MAIL TRIBUNE, MEDFORD. OREGON oldivater Expects Republican Convention To Nominate Conservative Editor's note: Soon after the 13S0 GOP election defeat She name Goldwater began to figure in Republican pren dential talk, muted at tint and then louder a trouble piled cn trouble for the Ken nedy adminiitration. Finally, Gov. Nelson A. Rockefeller remarried and Goldwater grabfied the lead from him in a national poll on likely GOP nominees. In the follow ing dispatch, Goldwater eval uates GOP chances in 1964 and candidly examines his own position. By LOUIS CASSELS and RAYMOND LAHR Washington r (UPU - Sen. Barry Goldwater thinks there is a good chance that dele gates to the 1964 Republican convention will rebel against "caslcrn kingmakers" and nominate a real conservative for president. , 1 He also is "more and more convinced" that a conserva tive Republican candidate could beat John F. Kennedy. The Arizona senator expres sed these views during an in terview with United Press In ternational in which he in sisted that he has not yet made up hi mind whether to seek the GOP nomination. He said he won't decide until March or April of next year. Estimate Change Despite his vigorous avow als of indecision, he sounded like a man who has a foot in the air to run. His estimate of his chances for winning the nomination and election has clearly changed consider ably during the past few months. He used to tell re porters bluntly that he didn't have a chance to be nomin ated, and he would private ly acknowledge that no Re publican had much hope of derailing President Ken nedy's bid for a second term. Now he radiates opti mism, on or off the record. "I don't want this nomina tion," he said. "But it may be forced on me. If I'm put in the position where I have to take it, I won't be a reluctant tiger. I'll get out and fight. Earlier this year - as la'.e as February - I felt that Ken nedy couldn't be beat. I still think it would be a helluva hard job. But I'm more and more convinced that it can be done. "Kennedy Is getting weak er and weaker. People are beginning to react against his inattention to national problems, and his indecision, With the right candidate, 1964 coould be a Republican year after all." Q. Were you surprised by the recent Gallup Poll that showed you out in front of Rockefeller and Romncy as a popular favorite for the GOP nomination? A. No, I can't say I was surprised. Our own political soundings have indicated that trend for some time. Q. Do you think Rocky, has been badly hurt by his re marriage to a divorcee ? Goldwater brushed off the question with a vigorous shake of his head. "I'm not going to discuss that," he said. Q. Do you regard your ris ing standing in the polls as evidence of a growing de mand for a "real Republican" -that is, a conservative-nom inee. Getting Stronger A. Yes, I think there is such a demand, and it is getting stronger all the time. A large majority of the delegates to every Republican national convention - I'd say 80 per cent or more - are conseva tives at heart. You can tell from the platform fights. But these delegates have never been able to nominate a can didate of their own persua sion. The ciioice nas always imame guy, ou-sif)n as wen been made by the boys in the as on. smoke-filled rooms. That's I t0 Announce In Soring why Tafl (the late Sen. Rob ert A. Taft, R-Ohio) never got the nomination. Q. Do you think things may be different next year? A. Yes, I have a hunch that the 1964 nominee may be chosen by the delegates in stead of in a smoke-filled room. We're getting more young leaders in the party, real conservatives, and they arc not so easily herded around. I question whether the eastern king-makers have enough strength any more to dictate their own choice of a candidate. Goldwater sat in a leather swivel chair behind his desk In the Senate Office Building. His long, lean frame was stretched out In a relaxed way, head back against the chair, left leg propped un ceremoniously on the desk. The top of the desk was clut tered with silver objects (silver is a big business In Arizona), including a massive ashtray shaped like a cowboy hat. Behind him on a bookshelf stood an array of model planes. Goldwater is a major general in the Air Force re serve and a command pilot. He has logged more than 8,000 hours of flight time, and has flown every new Air Force jet except the Su personic F-105. "Mr. Conservative" Is now 54. His deeply tanned face, set off by silver-white hair, is regarded by women of both parties as one of the handsomest In public life. If some of his Senate colleagues question h i s Intellectual depth, no one questions the attractiveness of his person ality, or the amiability of his nature. He is simply a very Q. If you decide to go after the Republican nomination when will you announce your candidacy? A. Around next March or April. Q. That late? A. Yes, You see, I have one advantage. I've done my po litical homework. I've spent the last S'i years traipsing around the country helping precinct chairmen elect can didates and raise money. Nei ther Rockefcllor nor Romncy has done this. I have good working relationships with the party regulars all over the country and I believe I could put together a good pro fessional campaign organiza tion quickly if I decided to seek the nomination. Also, I'm the only conservative be ing mentioned. If a fight de velops, it will be among the liberals. Q. Do you rate Romncy a liberal? A. I can't rate him until I know a little more about his philosophy. I know he's for states' rights and fiscal soundness. But he's never said too much. The impor tant thing is that in Republi can minds he is tabbed as a liberal. Q. Do you figure on enter ing some primaries? A. I don't think primaries are too important. I'd be fool ish not to recognize that some one is bound to toss my name into the New Hampshire pri mary (which will be the first in the nation, next March). If I get a healthy vote in New Hampshire, I'll have to make up my mind about run ning before we come to the primaries which require a can didate's permission for h i s name to go on the ballot. Q. Would your campaign strategy be based on winning a lot of support in the South? A. I think any Republican - even Rocky - would have to start out assuming that he's not going to carry New York, Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, Michigan and possibly Cali fornia. We're simply not go ing to run strong in the big industrial areas where N' groes and Jews - for reasons that escape me - vote over whelmingly Democratic. That means we're going to have to run very strong in the South, the Southwest, the mid dle cast, middle west, the mountain west, and the North west if possible. Q. What do you meon by "middle east?" A. Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Kentucky. For States' Rights Q. If you campaign in the South, what stand will you take on race relations? A. I campaigned all over the South for Nixon in 1960, and everywhere I went I told them that I was opposed to segregation and discrimina tion, but I believed in state's rights. I told them I didn't think it was my business, as an Arizonan, to come In and tell them what to do. That's the real issue In the South, you know - it's not integra tion, but slates' rights. Q. Do you really believe that, Senator? Tilt question startled Gold water momentarily. His foot came down and he leaned forward across the desk. "Why, yes, I do," he said. "You guys ought to visit the South tnd see what's going on down there." "I'm from South Carolina," replied one of the reporters, "and I visit it quite often. I had the impression that inte gration certainly is an issue, in fact, the issue in the South." The senator pondered this for a while, and then agreed that there were "some peo ple" in the South for whom the whole question of racial mixing is a "red flag." "But the new middle class in the South is composed of economic conservatives," he said. "Their chief concern is states' rights. They accept the fact that integration is com ing and it is not an overriding issue with them." Q. Do you think the Re publican party can win a na tional election while taking a stand on racial problems that will appeal to white voters in the South? A. I think the Republican party can take its stand on states' rights, and live with it. After all, we don't have to depend on federal power, and legislation, to make prog ress in race relations. When the President invited business leaders to the White House the other day to talk about lowering racial barriers, he took a step in the right direc tion. This is the only effective way. Negroes are impatient with job discrimination, and I don't blame them. If we can get businessmen to open the doors of employment oppor tunity to Negroes, this would be a big help. I don't say it would satisfy all demands. I'm afraid some of the young Negro leaders are not quite sure what they want. It may be social equality - and you can't legislate that. Q. You said the other day you and all other Republi can senators were ready to supoort sensible civil rights egislation. What would you consider a "sensible" bill? j Teeth in Bill A. A bill that would give , the attorney general teeth to take hold of court decisions on schools . . . spell out his authority to act in this field. Q. You said earlier that you think Kennedy may be beatable, but it would still be a helluva job. Wouldn't it be smarter to lie doggo in 1964 and go after the Repub lican nomination in '68? Goldwater abruptly tilted his chair to the upright posi tion, and slapped the desk for emphasis. "I'm not going to seek this nomination - in '64, '68, or '72," he said forcefully. 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