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oldivater Expects Republican Convention To Nominate Conservative
Editor's note: Soon after
the 13S0 GOP election defeat
She name Goldwater began to
figure in Republican pren
dential talk, muted at tint
and then louder a trouble
piled cn trouble for the Ken
nedy adminiitration. Finally,
Gov. Nelson A. Rockefeller
remarried and Goldwater
grabfied the lead from him
in a national poll on likely
GOP nominees. In the follow
ing dispatch, Goldwater eval
uates GOP chances in 1964
and candidly examines his
own position.
By LOUIS CASSELS
and RAYMOND LAHR
Washington r (UPU - Sen.
Barry Goldwater thinks there
is a good chance that dele
gates to the 1964 Republican
convention will rebel against
"caslcrn kingmakers" and
nominate a real conservative
for president. , 1
He also is "more and more
convinced" that a conserva
tive Republican candidate
could beat John F. Kennedy.
The Arizona senator expres
sed these views during an in
terview with United Press In
ternational in which he in
sisted that he has not yet
made up hi mind whether to
seek the GOP nomination. He
said he won't decide until
March or April of next year.
Estimate Change
Despite his vigorous avow
als of indecision, he sounded
like a man who has a foot in
the air to run. His estimate
of his chances for winning
the nomination and election
has clearly changed consider
ably during the past few
months. He used to tell re
porters bluntly that he didn't
have a chance to be nomin
ated, and he would private
ly acknowledge that no Re
publican had much hope of
derailing President Ken
nedy's bid for a second term.
Now he radiates opti
mism, on or off the record.
"I don't want this nomina
tion," he said. "But it may
be forced on me. If I'm put in
the position where I have to
take it, I won't be a reluctant
tiger. I'll get out and fight.
Earlier this year - as la'.e as
February - I felt that Ken
nedy couldn't be beat. I still
think it would be a helluva
hard job. But I'm more and
more convinced that it can be
done.
"Kennedy Is getting weak
er and weaker. People are
beginning to react against
his inattention to national
problems, and his indecision,
With the right candidate,
1964 coould be a Republican
year after all."
Q. Were you surprised by
the recent Gallup Poll that
showed you out in front of
Rockefeller and Romncy as
a popular favorite for the
GOP nomination?
A. No, I can't say I was
surprised. Our own political
soundings have indicated that
trend for some time.
Q. Do you think Rocky, has
been badly hurt by his re
marriage to a divorcee ?
Goldwater brushed off the
question with a vigorous
shake of his head. "I'm not
going to discuss that," he said.
Q. Do you regard your ris
ing standing in the polls as
evidence of a growing de
mand for a "real Republican"
-that is, a conservative-nom
inee.
Getting Stronger
A. Yes, I think there is such
a demand, and it is getting
stronger all the time. A large
majority of the delegates to
every Republican national
convention - I'd say 80 per
cent or more - are conseva
tives at heart. You can tell
from the platform fights. But
these delegates have never
been able to nominate a can
didate of their own persua
sion. The ciioice nas always imame guy, ou-sif)n as wen
been made by the boys in the as on.
smoke-filled rooms. That's I t0 Announce In Soring
why Tafl (the late Sen. Rob
ert A. Taft, R-Ohio) never got
the nomination.
Q. Do you think things may
be different next year?
A. Yes, I have a hunch that
the 1964 nominee may be
chosen by the delegates in
stead of in a smoke-filled
room. We're getting more
young leaders in the party,
real conservatives, and they
arc not so easily herded
around. I question whether
the eastern king-makers have
enough strength any more to
dictate their own choice of a
candidate.
Goldwater sat in a leather
swivel chair behind his desk
In the Senate Office Building.
His long, lean frame was
stretched out In a relaxed
way, head back against the
chair, left leg propped un
ceremoniously on the desk.
The top of the desk was clut
tered with silver objects
(silver is a big business In
Arizona), including a massive
ashtray shaped like a cowboy
hat.
Behind him on a bookshelf
stood an array of model
planes. Goldwater is a major
general in the Air Force re
serve and a command pilot.
He has logged more than
8,000 hours of flight time,
and has flown every new
Air Force jet except the Su
personic F-105.
"Mr. Conservative" Is now
54. His deeply tanned face,
set off by silver-white hair,
is regarded by women of
both parties as one of the
handsomest In public life. If
some of his Senate colleagues
question h i s Intellectual
depth, no one questions the
attractiveness of his person
ality, or the amiability of his
nature. He is simply a very
Q. If you decide to go after
the Republican nomination
when will you announce
your candidacy?
A. Around next March or
April.
Q. That late?
A. Yes, You see, I have one
advantage. I've done my po
litical homework. I've spent
the last S'i years traipsing
around the country helping
precinct chairmen elect can
didates and raise money. Nei
ther Rockefcllor nor Romncy
has done this. I have good
working relationships with
the party regulars all over
the country and I believe I
could put together a good pro
fessional campaign organiza
tion quickly if I decided to
seek the nomination. Also,
I'm the only conservative be
ing mentioned. If a fight de
velops, it will be among the
liberals.
Q. Do you rate Romncy a
liberal?
A. I can't rate him until
I know a little more about
his philosophy. I know he's
for states' rights and fiscal
soundness. But he's never
said too much. The impor
tant thing is that in Republi
can minds he is tabbed as
a liberal.
Q. Do you figure on enter
ing some primaries?
A. I don't think primaries
are too important. I'd be fool
ish not to recognize that some
one is bound to toss my name
into the New Hampshire pri
mary (which will be the first
in the nation, next March).
If I get a healthy vote in
New Hampshire, I'll have to
make up my mind about run
ning before we come to the
primaries which require a can
didate's permission for h i s
name to go on the ballot.
Q. Would your campaign
strategy be based on winning
a lot of support in the South?
A. I think any Republican
- even Rocky - would have
to start out assuming that he's
not going to carry New York,
Massachusetts, Pennsylvania,
Michigan and possibly Cali
fornia. We're simply not go
ing to run strong in the big
industrial areas where N'
groes and Jews - for reasons
that escape me - vote over
whelmingly Democratic. That
means we're going to have
to run very strong in the
South, the Southwest, the mid
dle cast, middle west, the
mountain west, and the North
west if possible.
Q. What do you meon by
"middle east?"
A. Ohio, Indiana, Illinois,
Kentucky.
For States' Rights
Q. If you campaign in the
South, what stand will you
take on race relations?
A. I campaigned all over
the South for Nixon in 1960,
and everywhere I went I told
them that I was opposed to
segregation and discrimina
tion, but I believed in state's
rights. I told them I didn't
think it was my business, as
an Arizonan, to come In and
tell them what to do. That's
the real issue In the South,
you know - it's not integra
tion, but slates' rights.
Q. Do you really believe
that, Senator?
Tilt question startled Gold
water momentarily. His foot
came down and he leaned
forward across the desk.
"Why, yes, I do," he said.
"You guys ought to visit the
South tnd see what's going
on down there."
"I'm from South Carolina,"
replied one of the reporters,
"and I visit it quite often. I
had the impression that inte
gration certainly is an issue,
in fact, the issue in the
South."
The senator pondered this
for a while, and then agreed
that there were "some peo
ple" in the South for whom
the whole question of racial
mixing is a "red flag."
"But the new middle class
in the South is composed of
economic conservatives," he
said. "Their chief concern is
states' rights. They accept the
fact that integration is com
ing and it is not an overriding
issue with them."
Q. Do you think the Re
publican party can win a na
tional election while taking
a stand on racial problems
that will appeal to white
voters in the South?
A. I think the Republican
party can take its stand on
states' rights, and live with
it. After all, we don't have
to depend on federal power,
and legislation, to make prog
ress in race relations. When
the President invited business
leaders to the White House
the other day to talk about
lowering racial barriers, he
took a step in the right direc
tion. This is the only effective
way. Negroes are impatient
with job discrimination, and I
don't blame them. If we can
get businessmen to open the
doors of employment oppor
tunity to Negroes, this would
be a big help. I don't say
it would satisfy all demands.
I'm afraid some of the young
Negro leaders are not quite
sure what they want. It may
be social equality - and you
can't legislate that.
Q. You said the other day
you and all other Republi
can senators were ready to
supoort sensible civil
rights egislation. What would
you consider a "sensible" bill? j
Teeth in Bill
A. A bill that would give ,
the attorney general teeth to
take hold of court decisions
on schools . . . spell out his
authority to act in this field.
Q. You said earlier that
you think Kennedy may be
beatable, but it would still be
a helluva job. Wouldn't it
be smarter to lie doggo in
1964 and go after the Repub
lican nomination in '68?
Goldwater abruptly tilted
his chair to the upright posi
tion, and slapped the desk for
emphasis.
"I'm not going to seek this
nomination - in '64, '68, or
'72," he said forcefully. "I'm
just going to sit and watch . . .
and see what happens.
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