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Medford Mail Tribuii e Proved Facts Count Proved circulation U A. B. C Audited circulation no guess-work about It. That la why th Mall Tri bune la an A. B. O. member. Pro7ed facta count. Twenty-Seventh Year MEDFORD, OREGON. TUESDAY, OCTOBER 25, 1932. Xo. 184. Comment on the Day 's News TO AC I OaL RELIEF 1SEVELT BESET HOOSIERS PACK INDIANAPOLIS 'CIRCLE' TO HEAR ROOSEVELT :1 1 II.. U ' T BE GP BY SORE THROAT 1 The Weather ronctst: Tonight and Wedneidiy fair, but cloudy at (tints; little change In temperature. Highest yesterday 62 Lowest this morning 33 By FRANK JENKINS FOB several daya, thla column baa dealt with the old town ot Shas ta, sear Redding, In Northern Cali fornia. Perhaps thla old town baa been dealt with eo extensively that you have become wearied. But all thla discussion baa been leading up to a point. rpHS point la thla: ' Thla old town of Bhaata, a roar ing old camp back In the fifties, now almost ready to Join the ranks of the "ghosftowna, holds a strong fas cination for almost everyone who sees . Nor Is that all. Nearly everyone who HEARS of It, from someone who haa been there and felt the spell of Its romantic past, WANTS to see It. t ERB In Southern Oregon and X" Northern California, we wanrt tourlata If you like that word: guests If you prefer a more modern one. To be perfectly candid about It, we want the money they will apend with us. We NEED it in our business. If we are to bring tourists here In satisfying large numbers, and stop them along the way Inatead of etand lng by the side of the road and watching them scoot past with their eyes on the fsr horizons, we must have something they want to see. Then we must TELL them about.lt. "ITTHY do people' go to Switzerland? "Ml merely to see the Swiss mountains?. Probably not. The world la full of mountains. People In thla country, for example, can see mountains with out going clear to Switzerland. The lure that takes them there la the lure of romance. They want to stsnd on storied ground. They want to say to themselves: "It was here that William Tell shot the apple from his son's head." 1THY do people'spend their money V( to go to England? la it to look at the bare masonry of the Tower ot London? Is It to look st the oak treea of Sherwood forest? in we must answer: "Probsbly not." The Empire State building Is a more thrilling sight than the Tow er of London, If sights are all we crave, and as for the oak treea of Sherwood forest this country la full of oak trees ust as good. The mighty oak near Chlco, for ex ample, la bigger than any oak In Sher wood forest. jjHAT people want Is to stand In " the Tower of London and say to themselves: "Here Duke Clarence wu drowned In a butt of wine." They spend money to see Sherwood forest wwauae thev eet a thrill out or say tng: "Theae forest aisles were tred by Robin Hood." WJISTORY. Romance. Tradition. The magic apell of great days and ffreat deeds. These are the things that take tourist to Europe by the thousands to spend their money by the millions -spending so freely that tourist mon ey la an Important Item in the In come of European nations, affecting favorably the stability of their ex change. P we are to attract tourist here In Southern Oregon and Northern California especially the kind ot tourists who have money to spend " we must give them something more than bare scenery to look at. Europe haa taught us that lesson FORTUNATELY, we have here In Southern Oregon and Northern California this precious Ingredient that when combined with bare seen. ery provides an alluring mixture that draws neonle from the far places f It was here that the thrilling days of gold were lived. Here the vigilantes operated. This Is the WEST. The utorr writers, the movie msk ers, have been Inspiring In people for years and yesrs the desire to see this storied West; to tread with their own feet the ground that was trod by the empire builders. IT you doubt the lure of this storied past of ours, go stand In the streets of old 8hat and let your Imagina tion run. Picture the old daya when booted mlnera walked those now near ly deserted streets. Then Bay to your- (Continued on Page Four) ""pa.tnr onlliy MUSKOGEE. Okla.. Oct. 23. (API The Rev. Stephen A. Berrte. 52 year old unfrocked minuter, wss found guilty of wife murder la'e todsv by a Jury which awseed life Imprison ment. Federal Jurv l.lt PORTLAND. Ore.. Oct. 25 I API The names of seventy persons hsre been drawn for the federal court trial Jury, scheduled to report here Wed-Baadag, Hoover To Again Speak In Mid-West, Before New York Address on Monday Public Health Urged. Campaign Broadcasts (Time Is Eastern Standard) Tonight: (Tuesday) WABC-CBC 9:00 Gov. Roose velt from Baltimore. (6 o'clock local.) Midwest NBC 10:18 Democrat ic. Gov. Philip Lafollette of Wls consln. Wednesday WJZ-NBC 3:15 p. m. Repub lican women's progrsm, Mlas Mary E. Woolley and Miss Ada Com (tock. WASHINGTON, Oct. 35. (AP) President Hoover will address a re publican rally In Indlanapolla Friday night and return to the capital Im mediately thereafter. The original tentative plan for the trip, Mr. Hoover's fourth swing Into the mid-west, Jiad called for him to oontlnue on to Chicago before re turning to the White House. Although presidential secretarlea lacked final Information, It was Indi cated this afternoon that Mr. Hoover might make an appearance In Chi cago Borne time after the apeech he will deliver In New York next Mon day. The presidential psrty will leave Washington Thursday night aboard a special train. INDIANAPOLIS , Oct. 23. (AP) Ivan O. Morgan, Indiana republican state chairman, announced tola afternoon that President Hoover will make a political address here Friday night. The announcement was made at a meeting of the Republican state com mittee, which immediately began ar ranging for the event. Chairman Morgan made the an nouncement after various Indiana re publican leaders had been In com munication with the White House during the morning, - WASHINGTON, Oct. 35. (AP) President Hoover favors government encouragement of a program to re duce contagious diseases "as a con- (Contlnued on Page Five) AT C!NCY TONIGHT CINCINNATI, Ohio. Oct. 23. P Ogden L. Mills, secretary of the treasury, asserted today an "unmis takable" swing In favor of President Hoover was noted In the west as the result of the speeches of Governor Franklin D. Roosevelt, Democratic candidate for the presidency. "Roosevelt," he said, "created a purely negative Impression." Mills made his statements on his arrival here r a campaign address tonight. I lans, he said, to an swer Gover Roosevelt's Pittsburgh dlscusslr- u the soldiers' bonus. NALLEY CONTEST E With Judge Jamea T. Brand of Cooa county on the bench, the case of P. K. Nalley va. B. E. Harder, exec utor In the estate of Wm. A. Pointer, deceased, father of Mrs. Anna C. Nalley. deceased, opened In circuit court here yesterday. In the very Involved case, regard ing the settlement of Vie estate of Mrs. Nalley, numerous heirs are rep resented. Mr. Nalley, who was on the stand thla morning, Is represented by Attorney Guy O. Smith of Balem. Attorney F. J. Newman of this city represents Ada Florence Pointer and Ruby Pointer Fitzgerald. Heirs of Robert Pointer are represented by Attorney A. E. Reames; Sarah R. Pointer and helra are represented by Attorneys Buftgs, Kllegel snd Bengt son. and Delroy Oetchell, admlnlstra tor In the estate of Anna c. Nalley. Is represented by Attorney W, J. Looker. Pear Markets NFW YORK, Oct. 25.USDA-AP) Pear auction market, prices slightly weaker. 36 cars arrived; 8 California, 0 Washington, 4 New York, 3 Ore gon cars arrived, Oregon Bows, 2960 boxes, extra fancy $160-2 55; average 12.10; fancy 1.45-2.10, average 11.81. Oregon Bsr1tt, 720 boxes extra fancy 1.63-1.90. average 1.7ft. Washington BartWts. 3130 boxes, extra Inner 85c-$1.25. average tl0V fancy 75c-tl.l0. averstre 03e. CHICAGO. Ort. 25. (U S D A.) (AP) Pear market: 1 California, 1 Oregon car arrived; 7 can on track; 3 cars sold. Oreeon Bosc. 620 boxes extra fanry $1.70-2.00. average $188. Waiting ton Bartletts, 2P8 boxes extra fancy 65r-85c; 291 boxes fancy yeiaga 800, ( A crowd estimated by police it 50,000 was Jammed Into "monument circle" In the heart of Indlanapolla when Gov. Franklin D. Roosevelt spoke there during his new campalQn tour. At the left Governor Roosevelt's car is ahown being escorted through Indianapolis streets. Part of the crowd that heard him speak Is ahown at the right (Associated Press Photos) TALK !N JERSEY Dry Cause and G. 0. P. Hit in Newark Address of 'Un happy Warrior' Vast Throng Attends Meeting. NEWARK, N. J., Oct. 25. (AP) Jubilation rang In the democratic camp today over the wlld-opened- armed welcome that the state democ racy gave Its Idol "the happy war rior" when he came back laat night to Jersey to eound his first major call for the election of Roosevelt and Garner. One man died of a heart attack and 60 were Injured In a Jamming crush of cheering humanity. Democratic leaders said It was one of the great eat political demonstrations In New Jersey's history. Inside the srmory a throng esti mated by police at 20.000 heard and saw him. Outside, an hour before hla arrival. Police Commissioner Edward Rellly estimated that 60.000 persons choked the streets that later became the triumphal pathway of Alfred E Smith. Criticizing President Hoover as "the drv leader of the United States." he devoted much of his speech to rid! cullng the republicans on prohlbt tlon. He assailed them on charges of bigotry, deception and hypocrisy. He attacked Col. William J. Don ovan. republican candidate for gov ernor of New York, declaring he waa on the republican "board of atrate- irv." directing the 1928 campaign when Mrs. Mabel Walker Wlldebrandt made a aneech which Smith said roused "blsotry and Intolerance Smith claimed authorship of the democratic repeal plank and assailed the republican plank as holding out "a sop to the wets and a little bone to the drys." He called on New Jer sey to make the senate democratic at. the next session by electing Percy Stewart to aucceed the late Dwlght Morrow. And In conclusion, he aaio tne election of the democratic ticket Is the best way to solve these problems snd the best wsv to bring back pros peritythe election of Roosevelt and Garner." William Snrav. Jr., HI. tell aeao. waiving a flag In the armory demon stration. Outside the armory the pressure or the crowds listening to amplifiers broke 30-foot steel fence st tne front entrance to the armory, ponce barricaded the doors with heavy Joists. LONDON. Oct. 25. (AP) Two thousand Jobless "hunger marchers" plodded toward London today to pre sent demands for abolition of the "means test" which obliges every re cipient of the dole to prove he has no other means of support. It Jias been hard going through Inceaaant rain along muddy roads from Scotland, Wales and many part of England, and early thla morning the sun shone only to hide behind clouds which threatened another downpour. Tonight the marchera will camp at such nearby places as Croydon and St. Albara, converging tomorrow aftJ-tr.oa at Hyde Park, where there will be a great demonstration of wel come by the London unemployed. T'len on Sunday afternoon the Jobless will gather In Trafalgar Square where there will be speeches. Many In the ranks are wearing new red roMttea and the charge is openly made In several London newspapers that the march waa fostered by tnntit from .Uoaco MOM FINANCES HUNGER MARCHERS WRITE-IN BALLOTS Increased Interest In the plan to write In the name of Sheriff Ralph Jennings In the coming election was reported here today and numerous persons were asking for Information relative to the method to be used in designating Sheriff Jennings as their choice. To write In the name of Sheriff Jenntnga the voter will only be re quired to write his name on the va- vant space which la always provided on all ballots, .and to place an X In front of the name. Whatever form a given the name, regarding first name or initials, the vote will be counted, County Clerk Del 11 la Stevens Meyer stated today, as long as the board can determine the lnentlon of the voter. Such are the Instructions given election boards each year, In keeping with a decision of the supreme court, which provides that all votes are to be counted If the voter's choice can be determined. As Mr. Jennings Is best known throughout the county as "Ralph" or "Sheriff" Jennings, most i of the wrltedns are expected to take that form. Voters are urged. In writing in the names of any nominees not named In the ballot, to be sure that the X la before the name If they want their votes counted. IP. HARRISBURO, Pa., Oct. 25. (AP) Swept upward by the rising tide of rural enrollment, republican reg istration In Pennsylvania gained 49, 149 to reach a new record of 2.911.068 for the general election. Democratic enrollment dropped 33,414 from the 1928 high mark of 887.391. The state total for all parties this year, sa reported by the elections bu reau, Is 3.912,671, a drop of 59.205 from the 1928 sggregate of 3,971,876. NEW YORK. Oct. 25. (AP) Sena tor Felix Jiebert, eastern director of the republican national committee, said today the democrat are "pipe dreaming" when they talk of carry ing Main and other New England state In the November 8 election. "I have Just returned from a week end swing aroA Massachusetts and other New England states," Hebert said In a statement released at his headquarters here, "and I am confi dent President Hoover t going to win those states overwhelmingly. "All report to me were that the democrats are pipe dreaming when they say they will carry Maine. That state, along with the others. Is safe ly In the republican column." Mail Tribune I Intend to rota for . I Intend to vote for , I Intend to rote for , I Intend to vote fnr , Plea fill out, with or without Contest Editor, Mall Tribune. JENNI WRITTEN IN BY Sheriff's Total In Straw Bal lot Exceeds Vote for Dem ocratic Nominee Beeson Holds Big Lead, However. STRAW BALLOT RESULTS For President Hoover x ..1006 Roosevelt 346 Thomas 38 For County Judge Gates 1006 Phlppa 360 Fehl 108 Pipes 38 For District Attorney Codding 932 Brlggs .'. 378 Wllklna J 20 For Sheriff Beeson ......,.-...- 694 Schermerhorn 224 Zundel V2 .Tennlntm 298 The only marked change in the Mall Tribune straw ballot over the week end, has been the sudden spurt for Ralph Jennings for sheriff. For the first time, Jennings who Is not a candidate and waa defeated by Scher merhorn In the democratic primaries, a result uf a "wrltlng-ln" drive, leada all other candidates for the of fice as follows: Jennings 136. Beeson 88, Schermer horn 20 and Zundel 0. The other totals over the same period are as follows: Hoover 168, Roosevelt 80, Thomas 4. Oatea 204, Phlpps 40, Fehl 8, Pipes 0. Codding 216. Brlggs 36, Wllktns 0. Also for the first time. Codding, democratic candidate for District? At torney leada the entire field, Hoover dropping from first Into 3rd place, and Gates taking second place. In the grand total however. It is Interesting to note that President Hoover and Pop Gates are tied 1006 to 1006. If the straw bsllot editor were Jug gling the figures he would change those totsls by a frw votes, for exact ties where over 1000 ballots have been received are unusual. However, he Is merely compiling them, as they, come In. and there they are. This will be next to the last report of this paper's straw ballot. The straw ballot editor sees no particular ad vantage In continuing the contest after this week when day after day. there la no change in the relative standings, and no doubt as to the main results. It has been conclusively proved that as far aa the readers nf this newspaper are concerned . they are for the Mall Tribune candidate. The results also show Medford will go for Hoover. Oatea. Codding and Bee son, on November 8th. It will be In teresting to our readers to compare the final straw ballot results with the actual results two weeks from to day. The last of final ballots wilt be printed In Friday's paper. Straw Ballot . for rrenldent. , for County Judce. , for !) lit riot Attorney. , for Sheriff. signature, and mall to Btrsw Ballot L T E. H. Haynes, 70, of Rogue River, nominated by supporters of the Fehl and Norton recall for Justice of the pence ngalnst H. D. Reed of Gold Hill Incumbent, was today taken to Salem to the state hospital for the Insane, following his arreat late Saturday night by county and state officials after ho jhsd terrorized the town shooting his rifle, and threatening to kill any stranger who trespassed upon hla property. Haynes' petitions as a candidate for Justice of the peace In that dis trict, aa an independent, wore filed with , the . county clerk August 6, having been circulated by M. L, Blackburn and F. M. Cummlngs. both of Rogue River, according to the records. Forty-five names were listed on the petitions the clerk's office said, with one being disqualified. According to officers, Haynes suf fered persecution hallucinations, be lieving someone waa trying to get hla property from him. Report re ceived by Sheriff Jennings Saturday that on Friday night Haynes had fired hla rifle several times, thinking someone might be coming to his place. Marshal Joe Scholts of Rogue River told the sheriff that Haynes had threatened to kill anyone coming to hla place, and that ,he would shoot any officers, especially one wearing a uniform. The marshal requested the sheriff to come for the man. Late Saturday night, Sheriff Jen nings, accompanied by Deputy Sher iff Louts Jennings and State Police Sergeant James O'Brien went to the Haynes place located near the Ward's creek bridge about two blocks from the town. Exceptionally large electric bulbs had been strung near Vie woodshed In the yard In order that the man might see anyone who entered the yard, officers reported. Haynea had his bed fixed In the woodshed so he could keep guard. Other members of his family were asleep upstairs in the house, nearby. Sergeant O'Brien reported that Haynes had dozed off to sleep w.hen they arrived, and that they were able to enter the woodshed before the man waa aware of their presence, Sheriff Jennings grabbed Haynes1 arm before he was able to reach for his gun, and Haynea shook hands with the officer, saying, "I know you, sheriff." Deputy Jennings Jerked the covers from Haynes bed, and at Vie man's side, only a few Indies from hla fin ger, was a .46 Colt revolver which he nad for. protection, saying a friend had given It to him with the remark: "This la your best friend." Haynes seemed willing to go with the authorities, they said, and told his family good-bye before leaving. A sanity hearing was conducted yeaterday by Vie county phyalctan. Dr. C. I. Drummond, and Haynes was found Insane. An attendant from the state hospital fnr the Insane took the aged man, to Salem this morn ing. STATE BUDGET TO CLIP A MILLION SALF.M, Oct. 25. yp A blennlum saving of $1,032,000 will be effected , under the budget for state Institu tions approved by the state board of control today. Thla will be the mlot ' mum saving for the next two yeais under the itgiire prepared by Wil liam F.lnzl, state purchasing agent, and Henry Hansen, budget director. after considering maximum request by Institutional heads. Tie complete budget, totaling 3, ; 164.306. for the 11 Institutions, will now be submitted to the budget de partment for p-eparatton for the tte legislature. The to'.M tppro- pr:at!or.s from all source two yeaii I aoo was t4.196.lda. BY M LEW Impression That Red Cross Work Wiil Be Taken Over By City and County Er roneous No Tax Fund Alfred S. V. Carpenter, Roll Call chairman for Jackson county chepter, American Red Cross, wishing to cor rect a false Impression prevalent In Medford, today called attention to the following resolutions of Vie county court and statement made by Mayor Wilson on behalf of the city, In the County Court, County of Jackson, State of Oregon. Proclamation Whereas: The Jackson County chapter of the American Red Cross; through discontinuance of Community chest support, Is not financially In a position to carry out Its emergency relief activities In Jackson county. And Whereas, It la therefore necessary that the Red Cross raise funds to carry on sail ac tivities through voluntary con tribution; aa absolutely no funds from any other source are avail able for this purpose; from the public funds in the treasury of Jackson county. Oregon, or other wise: Therefore: It Is the opinion of this court, and It Is hereby re solved that funds must be raised through, voluntary contribution and subscription In order that the Red Cross may be enabled to carry on lta emergency relief ac tivities, as well as Its cooperation with the county court of Jackson county, Oregon; in said court's relief activities, which would otherwise have to be discontin ued: It la Therefore Earnestly Re solved and Urgently Requested In tthe existence of this emergen cy, that the publlo welfare and health must be safeguarded; and the people of Jackson county are hereby requested and appealed to, for whole hearted support to the Jackson, county chapter of the American Red Cross In its forthcoming drive for funds to carry on Its absolutely indispen sable and Invaluable relief activ ities: which otherwise must necessarily cease and cooperative work of a relief nature with this court, whlob. work Is absolutely indispensable; could not be con tinued. . , Done In open court, at Med ford, Jackson county, Oregon, thla 20th day of October, 1932, . , C. B. LAMKIN, County Judge. VICTOR BURS ELL, Commissioner. JOHN BARNEBURG, Commissioner. Mr. J. C. Thompson, Chairman, American Red Cross, Medford, Oregon. Dear Mr. Thompson: In the matter of emergency re lief, our funds received and our budget are so completely ex hausted, that the city can do nothing prior to January 1st next and then only In accordar.ee with what may be provided In our budget for 1038. I see no way to take care of current relief work except through personal support from our citizens who .have al ways contributed liberally In the past for all charities. Very truly yours, E, M. WILSON, Mayor. Medford, Ore., Oct. 2S, 1032. The above means that all relief work during the period from NOW until May, 1033 when next year' tax money will be available, must be done by the Red Cross through voluntary subscriptions by the peo pie 4- E WASHINGTON, Oct. 28. The Reconstruction Finance corporation today made available $1,241,881 for emergency relief in Colorado, Loulsl ana, Oklahoma and Oregon. The Colorado governor received I238.G38; Louisiana $280,330; Okla homa $636,656, and Oregon $86,560. Colorado previously had borrowed $847,600; Louisiana $2,104,028; Okla homa $181,312, and Oregon $134,078, The Oregon loan Is to care for the needs of Deschutes, Douglas, Baker, Union and Sherman counties from October 1 to December Si. These counties all are In the lumber aec- ticm of the state. ON STEEL STOCK NrW YORK. Oct. 25. AP) The United States Steel corporation today ordered disbursement of the regular quarterly dividend of $1.78 on the preferred atock, maintaining Intact the 31 year dividend record on this Issue. Three months ago. the directors had Issued a statement warning that It was "apparent that Improvement In bustneas and earnings must In the future determine dividend action on the preferred stock. Dividends the cormon shares were omitted tlx months ago North Carolina and Virginia Support Certain Rain Mars Raleigh Stop-Scores Hoover and Dixie. ABOARD ROOSEVELT SPECIAL ENROUTE TO BALTIMORE, Oct. 35. (AP) His voice so hoarse that he spoke with difficulty. Governor Roosevelt today made hla first sppear- nce of the campaign In North Caro. Una. greeting big crowds that gath ered along the route of his special train. The governor was not yet up when the train reached Hamlet and his eon, Jamea Roosevelt and Robert Reyn olds, North Carolina democratic senatorial nominee, addressed the crowd In his etead. At Southern Pines, the governor ap peared on the rear platform to the accompaniment of cheers and shouts of greetings. Conspicuous in tho crowd was a sign which read "friends of Roose velt and repeal.' About the only thing I lost down In Oeorgla Is my voice," said the gov ernor, smiling broadly. I am confident of the result on November 8 and even more confident of the result In the state of North Carolina." That brought another big cheer and yells of "you're right, Roose velt." Despite a thin drizzle of rain. Ra leigh, capital of the state and home of former Secretary Daniels, poured out a crowd which covered the ex panse of tracka opposite the state fair grounds about four miles out of the city. Hundreds of automobiles were parked in the grounds nearby. James Roosevelt told of the recep tions at all hours of the night and early morning, which had been ac corded the governor throughout the United States. As the governor spoke, the crowd stood In a clammy mist that seemed as If It might chanpe Into a steady rain at any moment and thus break the weather record that Mr. Roosevelt has let so far. Since he left Albany more than a month ago on his first western trip, no meeting has been broken by rain and there have been few times when he haa not had sunny skies. Ths governor left Aflanta last night after a two day visit culmina ting in a mass meeting which pack ed the city's big auditorium to the rafters while hundreds of others clamored In vain for admittance. In this first address delivered la the heart of the south by a demo cratic presidential nominee In many years, Governor Roosevelt repeated his pledges for aid for the farmer through easing the farm mortgage situation and raising agricultural prices by a tariff benefit. Secretary Hyde as well as President Hoover served aa the target of point ed paragraphs. "I believe that we owe It to the farmers of America to have as secretary of agriculture an agri cultural leader Instead of ft political leader." he said. In thla connection an open boom for "Cotton Ed" Smith, veteran sena tor from South Carolina, for the no" of secretary of agriculture in ths event of democratic aucceas was launched by a delegation from his state at the conferences today. WILL- ROGERS PARA. Oct. 24 Brazil ought to belong to tho U. S. We lika to brag about everything "big." We have been flying up its coast line for five solid days, and still got nnothnr day. Tf any of you see the Uoclte fellers, lciss 'em for me. There is not a mosquito up this eoBBt. If they can just hear of one trying to get a Btart down here there is ten Rockefeller Foun dation men got him singing the blues beforo sundown. No, sir, you got to wait till you get to "God's country" to get eat up by insects. Rio Janeiro is the prettiest city in the world from the air. We are just circling Par where we land for the night. It's right at the mouth of the great Amazon river. Up from here is where Hr. Ford's rub. ber plantation is, but somebody sold him all male trees and they are having a little trouble getting 'em to bear. I bet they couldn't fool him on carbure tors, but he didn't know sex life in the forest. i fttyfcJl.Kiirt) (sit?