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THE OREGON SUNDAY JOURNAL, PORTLAND, SUNDAY MORNING, OCTOBER 21. 1917. 15 COT IN STEEL PRICES LIKELY TO HAVE LITTLE EFFECT ON AUTO COST Commodity Is Just One Ele ment In Manufacture of Machine, Says Cole. OTHER THINGS EXPENSIVE Bverrtalag That Xs Used U BeHalac Stas Taken lg Sump, to Say sTotbing of Cost of Xbor. NEW NATIONAL TWELVE ELGIN DOES 5826 Ml. mi UNDER OFFICIAL SEAL ON OLD TRAILS ROAD The prominence which hss heen given to the discussion of the effect which the cut In steel prices wftt have on automobile manufacturing, since the agreement was reached by the president and the .steel men of the country, has found a ready response and many of the men most prominent la the motor car Industry have uttered opinions which to prospective buyers of automobiles should carry consider able weight. That a reduction of almost 60 per cent in the orlce of steel and allied material will have little effect oh the price of motor cars seema to be the belief of practically, all of the leading builders. Steel Hot Mala Tactor , 3. 3. Cole, president of the Cole Motor , Car company of Indianapolis, has the following to say' concerning the steel situation: "Steel Is Just an element In auto mobile production. It is not a de termjning factor. Of course without steel we cannot proceed but there is so much more to an automobile tnan steel that it Is not the sole barometer gauging the cost of production. "Furthermore raw steel and steel as we motor car people use It are as dlf ferent as day and night. "You may reduce the cost of all steel all you please but after that our expense begins. It must be refined. it must be made Into the parts j'vre use, it muet be transported to our plants. Xabor Prices Soaring "Each of these operations is be coming dally more expensive. Being compelled to place our orders for' the so-called raw materials months and months in advance of - the time of which we actually expect to use it, we will be forced to have In produc tion from six months to a year from now the material purchased at the ad ,, vance figure materials which cost at least twice as much as the price de termined on by the recent agreement. "Further than that if the cost of labor and machinery continues to soar . during the coming year as it has dur ing the last 12 months if we continue ' to meet the same or increasing obstacles in our efforts to move the raw stock to our plants this cost will have mounted to such proportions by the time we are In the market for the cheaper steel that by the time it reaches us it will be offset by the other Increased cost a "But as I stated at the outset steel Is only a contributing element in . .automobile manufacture. It is not the determining element. There Is leather and rubber, paint and glass, aluminum and fiber, patent device, lenses, and a score of other materials that are increasing dally? These are quite as Important la. tha building of a motor car as Is steel, and with these Increasing in price the little difference In the price of steel when ' It reaches us providing there will be any difference six months from now wtjl mean but little. Quality Hut Se Maintained ' "Motor car manufacturers realise that It would be good merchandising for them at this time to reduce the price of their product. But they are bound hand and foot. They simply cannot do It If they want to, and no conscientious builder of motor cars would consider sacrificing quality to gain a point or two on the price side of the ledger. "Hence, if the manufacturer would keep th quality of his car preserve ' the merit that has been the foundation tone of i whatever success he" has en Joyed he cannot hope to reduce the price of his product one cent. 'The cost of steel under any agree ment alone, will not do It., And there Is no sign of relief In any other dl - rection." : i ' r ''V i ft a ! Normal Speed of Wat Trucks 12 to 15 Mi. Oorsrsors Are XTraally Set to Allow Speed of IS to80 Mies r Sou, JCowerex, for Smergemey. I What are the requirements of motor , tracks u to speed in the war sons? The answer to this question, so f re- fmtn Pnrifir tn thp Mk;k- inntly "k given by Thomas rfOiri FdCIIIC lO ine IVUbSlS-; Thomas, automobile engineers of Ie- sippi With Hooch Clutch ZiST&SSTS ZZTJEi and Transmission Sealed, g fZgZfSZ?? i "War trucks are normally operated ' a - ' at from 12 to 16 miles per hour, but Traveling 626 miles from the Mis- th rw.mt-. tn i. slsslppi river to the Pacific and re- irtw of nf it tn an miiM nr gam with the hood, clutch and trans- houP m emergency." declared Mr. rtnission officially sealed by represen-. Thomas. "The coventors are often tatlves of the American Automobile ; dlahid. nn a . fnw E. C. Habel, A. B. Manley and F. H. Ireland of the Manley Auto ' ' company, in one of the new National Twelves, with airplane motor, received last week. Traveling on straightaway at f leet ; of that firm. speed, climbing hills with great wll-1 In the presence of newspapermen lingness and ease, covering rough ' and auto salesmen, the car, which is country with sure comfort and little equipped with the airplane, type effort, the new National "12" received 1 motor, was taken over the various last week by the Manley Auto com- hard hills and stretches of rough road pany proved its worth to A. B. Man- i in the close vicinity and given a good ley and E. C. Habel, executive officials I tryout. i association, was the record, announced in a telegram received last week by A, C. Stevens In regard to the Elgin Six National All Trails Scoot car and war department road reporter. not provided with governors at all. "Most of the trucks In France are geared so their engines will operate continuously at IS or 20 -miles an hour on high gear in emergency. They This -run .breaks the world's record i are-also required to operate on second for a sealed run and the car is in per-1 gear ur to a normal speed of 12 feet condition, cays the - telegram. ' miles per hour so ..that in an undu- The run was made through all sorts of weather and over roads of all kinds. People who have not traveled these mountain swamps and deserts cannot appreciate the value of the endurance feat. When Pueblo. Colo., was reached, Roy S. Marsh and Edward M. Law rence, who are in charge of the car, 16ft the Old Trails road for a trip to Denver and return. On reaching Pu eblo again they departed for St. Louis, and from that city will make a trio to Chloago and return, taking up the eastward traveling once more at St. Louis, with Washington, D. C. as their destination. From Washington they will travel to New York, and thence back to Chicago by the Lincoln high way, where preparations will be made for an immediate start over the Dixie highway to Miami, via the westward route of that highway. The return from the South will be along the east ern portion of the Dixie to Detroit. The Old Trails road. 'together with its tributaries through Arizona and New Mexico, affords an unlimited wealth of interest, both to the casual tourist and to the seeker after knowl edge in natural history, geology, arch aeology and all other sciences per taining to the early history and de velopment of the human race on the North American continent. Roy Marsh in his report calls attention to the fact that It would be impossible to find any section of the United States where the tourist could so easily spend much time in interesting study. lating country the - convoy is not spread out by vehicles slowing up on hills. The later trucks designed have a reduction of 50 to 1 on low gear in order that they will maneuver on low and reverse under bad road conditions without it being necessary to raoe the engine in starting. . "It is found in practice that even the axles' do not suffer as much from this extreme reduction as by racing the engine and letting tho clutch in as Is necessary with some older type trucks sent from America" Denver Man Makes It Easy for Autoists Denver, Oct. 20. Dewey C. Bailey, manager of public safety, and Police Chief Hamilton Armstrong are making life for Denver motorists 'Worth; while. Bailey discourages speeders by holding an Informal "speeders court" dally at his office. No fines are assessed for first offenses, the only penalty being exacting of a promise to read three time a copy of the city traffic rules furnished by the court. The offender is-also automatically , elected to mem bership in the Anti-Speeders club and MOTOR AND TRUCK RECORD OF WEEK The following temporary police per-, mlts were obtained in Portland during the week by new car owners, pending the arrival of state licenses, according to M. O. Wilklns. publisher of the Automobile Record: C. Chrietensen, 214 East Twenty eighth, Dodge. Miaa Edna McOrath. 110 Hazel Fern, Paige. W. E. Lacey. 919 Minnesota avenue, Dodge. Martin Marks Coffee company, 625 Third- street. Ford. Alfred Dimbat, route 1, box 9, Hills boro. O. M. C. truck. William Frese. 508 Lumbermens Ex change. Dodge. C. H. Taylor, 410 East Fessenden, Ford. William Larsen, 689 Vaughn, Ford. Nepon Brothers, 669 Fifth street, irora. Robert E. Frazler, 348 Fourth street, O. M. C. truck- L. Lay ton, 327 Water . street. Re public. N. H. Alperln, 1241 Macadam road. Ford. Joseph Weber, 1712 Macadam rood. Franklin. M. J. Weiser, Second and Oregon streets. Studebafcer. Leo J. Malarkey, Columbia univer sity. Ford. M. Jespersen, 4822 Ninetieth street southeast, Chevrolet. P. E. Allen. 1199 High street. Wood stock, Maxwell. A. Lb Herin, 48 East Thirty-seventh. Paige. N. A. Leach, 1000 Lewis building, Mitchell. H. A. Clbdfelter. 1221 East Madison. Studebaker. W. Q. Konkught. Imperial hotel. Master truck. R. B. Wilcox, Wilcox building, Packard. , Ernest Oisler. 91 Nevada street. Ford. 7 E. N. Dooney, 615 East Forty-second street north. Ford. William Hahn, 312 Olisan street, Ford. Jones Market, Fourth and Alder, Ford delivery. H. N. Hughes. 20 East Thirty-ninth street north, Oldsmobile. R. W. Tate. Mitchell. Or.. Bulck. R. Schneider, Columbia boulevard, route i, G. M. -C. truck. Ed Bauman, Gresham. Or., Chev rolet. J. Maloney, '361 Chapman street, Oldsmobile. H. H. Anderson, 439 East Forty-fifth street north. Ford. Charles T. Chamberlain, Journal building, Oldsmobile. W. F. Jeffress, 25 Holly street, Bulck. John Pilgen, 682 Borthwick street, Ford. Walter Thompson, 325 East Eighti eth street north. Studebaker. C. B. Walker, 154 East Sixty-eighth street. Ford. Walter W. Olin. 729 Lombard street. Ford, G. JP, Miller. 1815 Newman street, Ford Boston Packing company. Third and Ankeny, Ford. Lee R. Denman, 322 East Clay street. Ford. ' H. O. Flried, 444 Belmont street. Mitcneu. pledged to help the authorities enforce the peed ordinances. Chief . Armstrong's sone, system will practically put the auto thief out of existence. The plan includes, post ing policemen in sentry boxes connect ed with toeadquartera If a car la sto len these sentries are notified and every car leaving the city Is challenged while motor cops scour the city for the stolen car. Joint Meeting for r Road Associations A joint meeting of .the Interstate Highway association and the Idaho fixate Evergreen Highway association will be held at Lewiston. Idaho, No vember 7 and 8, which promises to be the largest and most interesting ever held in the West. The governors from Oregon. Washington, Idaho and Mon tana have accepted invitations to at tend and the state highway commis sioners of three of the states will be present. The program will Include ad dresses by Frank Terrace, widely known, good-roads apostle of Orllla, Wash.; Herbert Cuthbert, secretary of the Pacific Northwest Touring asso ciation; I. M. Howell, secretary of state of Washington; L. L Hewes of Portland, district engineer, United States office of public roads; Edward A. Van Slcklin. member of the state Ughway commission of Idaho, and others conspicuously active in an ef fort to more fully capitalise the scen ery and climate of the West by en couraging an Increase of automobile travel. Heavy Oil Declared Best If Auto Is Old After a motor has seen reasonably long service, so that the pistons do not fit as closely In the cylinders as they did at first it is advisable to use a hvAvler grade of oil, in order to take up a little of the clearance.. In racing motors, whre the plston-to-cyllnder clearance is often more than twice that used In ordinary practice, the drivers use heavy oil. High vis cosity lubricants, such as castor oil or mixtures of castor oil and mineral oil, are the favorite for racing mo-, tors. jRBBMtgS ""SETS the PACE u When writing to or calling es advertisers pleasr mention The Journal. 20th Year FATHERS, SONS AND GRAND SONS, EACH WITHIN THEIR TIME, HAVE FOUND OLDSMOBILE DUIIUTY, ENDURANCE AND COMFORT INSEPARABLY WOVEN AMONG THEIR FONDEST FAMILY TRADITIONS. t - MMMMmmmmmn Six-Cylinder models are built In Touring Cars and Roadsters. Eight-Cylinder models are built la Touring Cars, Roadsters and Club Roadsters. t SWIIIWSIMIWIiWIBWIISJIH t , DEMONSTRATION OR FURTHER INFORMATION BY OLDSMOBILE COMPANY OF OREGON Distributors Broadway at Couch wmmmmmmm John L. Clark. Congress hotel. Ford, aai Lrle W. ErtL Ford. G C. Morris. Broj unaries w Way hotel. Ford. Ertx. 651 Plttock block. side streets, Chevrolet. John Raz, Hillsdale, Or., Ford. R. H. "Bradley, 427 East Davis street. Ford. O. Holmes. Clatskanle, Or., Ford. H. A. Tucker. Nob Hill apartments. MaxwelL Morris & Co., 232 North Fifteenth street. FOrd. J. R. SkeltOn, Montgomery apart ments, Elgin. Frank J. Blechlngen, Ryan Fruit company, Oakland. Ella Taylor, 181 Sixth street. Ford. R. E. Wills. 620 Plttock block. Chev rolet. Oeorse T. Yates. Hillsdale, Or., route 2, Ford. James B. O'Shea. Boston Packing company, Dodge. Edward Douglass, Estacada, route 1, Dodge. Harry E. Taylor, 75 Front street, Saxon. Cunnins: & Ekstrom, Gresham, route 1, Ford truck. J. H. Kramer. 133 Grand avenue, r ora. L. C. Larsen, 629 Tacoma avenue Oakland. G. F. Puzey, CJatskanie. Or.. Ford. S. Kimura. Oregon City, route 6, Overland. J.-A. Martlen. 1185 East Twenty sixtn street north. Liberty. George Fournia, Boring, Or., Chev rolet. R. D. Myers. 1694 Division street. Dodge. J. P. Coxon, 2631 East Forty-third, Oldsmobile. Roy L. Appleton, Hood hotel. Sixth at Everett. Indiana Truck. W. O. St. George, 394 Harrison. Ford. A. Spellman & Son. 1810 Sandy, Ford. Ludwig Fries. 1151 East Holgate, Ford Truck. ' H. J. Nickelson, Portland, Route 1, Ford. Mrs. N. V. Berdlrrg, 1124 Hassalo, Elgin. . I W. P. Fuller & Co. ' 124 Grand av- nueH Ford. - - . . . ,. A.,sscnuiing vo., f it irving, iJOdge. G. Gunderson, S5J Albina avenue, ForcLi ii-.jT T. Gianoll, Columbia boulevard. B 950. ForcLswr E. Franklin, 250 South Broadway, Ford. R. C. Lien, 950 East Thirty-sixth north. Ford. Hans Rue. 1085 East Twenty-first north. Dodge. Adam Schesler. 398 Brazee, Ford. F. Gunster, Heppner, Or.. Oakland. Chas. Lehman, Hillsdale, Republic truck. Com. V. Faust. 136 Powell, Dodge. Frits Glselman, 529 Washington. Saxon. E. M. Heacock. 224 Taylor, Ford. Fred A. Pur din, 180 Union avenue, MaxwelL Ugelslch Bros.. 754 Thurman, Ford. A. J. Ersted, Standard Machine Co., National. Dr. Sam C. Slocum. 416 Mohawk bldg., Bulck. W. P. Fuller & Co.. Front-and Morri son, Ford. Lauderback Bros., Gresham, Or., Ford. Henry Scheufler. 310 Stark, Bulck. A. B. Starbuck, Dallas. Or., Chalmers. j. j. smock, Linnton, Chevrolet. i i iiihisiiih isiwjuHinwweapiiiewn shwwiuii mi iwiiiiseewMBSSssssswwwwsiHiswwwiiiMwipissiiMiuiiiii sihsisssiwsiiiiisiiiijsiis Minus siwsswssjsssnsu I if, n, .iL-tui u i if n ii ii u ii ii iuuoj!VV'' 'iMit',ii,n.j,m.f;'m I G. O. Miller, 864 E. Taylor. Mitchell. C. A. Puariea, 466 Failing: street, Chevrolet. J. A. Pattison. 824 More-an buildlnr. Duon. " NrwlpJ;T FfZZ ll ill f li JM StrwvTm,erKhjraixtlK I'j'll'&Zzl Ur 11 of Savage Tires that tseyotir car "ow the t I I If I II PSt top"ofthestifiestroad. J 1 J IJI 0sf jil00000Jt Built on honor from live rubber and highest 2 I H I T 'Trty a 8Tde fiabric; Socles kept continually fresh. 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A performance exhibiting, such stnpendoas povtr said speed that you Imoginethat Jxasjcar was btnlt to contend with those master cars that excel m these qaafities alone, The soft 'purr of your "loaf ing" range yields to the deep: growl of brute power reveal ed in its "sporting range. PRICES f ' aaiM ii MBM&aaissMsigiassaM Touring .$2340 Couoe Roadster $2340 Sedan Sporting Roadster $2490 Limousine . AU prices f. o. b.. Cleveland ubjt to cnanga without aatiea D. C. Warren Motor Car Co. i$2850 ......$2990 . $3690 Phono Main 780 -Oregon and Southern Washington Distributors - - ; 880 Norta 23o' Partlane! The Peerless Motor Car Company, dereland, Ohio 3 i rii eLwSSSSssjBsaSSSsBsa " p FwrHnntsmnssss nmii ! i mwiii mill 'in limn isisisi.i.sigrsii itiinii n i in " saisaniMuigigjMmsBJtmiiimwtimiH r r
