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THE SUNDAY OREGONIAX, PORTLAND, MAY 13, 1921
ABOUT TEUTON CASH
Only Half of War Damage
z ; Said to Be Laid on Germany.
S. NEWS IS PLEASING
Friendship Between Two Countries
Must Be Intensified by Inform
ing Kaeh Other, Says Tardieu.
BY ANDRE TARDIEU,
Former French High Commissioner to
3, ' America.
(Copyright, 1921. by Th Oreronlan.)
; PARIS. May 14. (Special Cable.)
i , The days just passed have been full
" of uncertainty for France. For days
it was not known what reply Qer
o many would make to the ultimatum
of the allies, nor was it known what
'. reply would best serve the interests
" of b ranee. But two days before the
r ' expiration of the time limit Germany
signified her acceptance.
' France has two viewpoints of the
- reparations question. The first, of
"T law; the second, of failure. How
. much doe Germany owe? How much
" ' will she pay?
, . I will endeavor to answer these
questions in order.
. First, what Germany owes France.
According to the treaty of Versailles
" ' Germany owes to all the allies the
, , total damage suffered by persons and
oy property. France s total was cat
culated by the French government in
w a memorandum to the reparations
committee in January last at 136,000
- 000,000 of gold marks.
Arbitrary Sum Ffme4.
. . But while this calculation was be-
ing- made the allies, at successive
, ; conferences at San Remo, Lympne,
. Boulogne. Spa and Paris, consented
i. , to a revision of the treaty in the di-
. rection of the Keynes theories. In-
stead of fixing the amount of dam-
ages, the allied ministers undertook
2 - to estimate the paying powers erf the
" debtor. Instead of drawing up a bill
; they set an arbitrary sum. .
Z . Agreements reported at these con-
ferences finally fixed the capital
amount of the German payments at
" 125.000,000,000 of gold marks, of
which France -was to receive 52 per
cent, or (6,000,000,000. Despite Ger-
many's refusal to accept the Paris
Z ' figures, these were adopted as the
final basis, and the reparations com-
t mittee was invited to fix the German
; The .132.000,000,000 at which this
a debt eventually was fixed gave
" France 68.000.000.000 gold marks In-
" stead of 136.000.000.000. In other
words, just about half of our damage
was shifted to German shoulders and
' . one-half to the shoulders of France.
" This is the first reason why France
' Is dissatisfied with the latest inter-
Z ' Payments Are Uncertain.
J Second What will Germany pay
France? France is dissatisfied be-
J cause while beholding half her due,
she sees no certainty of payments to
offset the reduction. We have been
hearing for two months that a tan-
gitole guaranty would be exacted, as
the treaty permits. But nothing has
- been seized. Soldiers of the class of
.' 1919 have been mobilized, but have
. not been used. Again, as after the
Spa conference in July, 1920, there
"Z has been much talk about future
sanctions. It is true these sanctions
will operate automatically without
r further conferences. But the same
thing was said at Spa and since, al
; though three conferences have been
held and no satisfaction exercised.
"' Therefore, France is far from satis
. . fied with the London arrangements
and their sequel.
! , On the other hand, the American
news of the past ten days has pro
1 ; duced a good impression. The United
... States government refused to trans
it mlt the German proposition. It has
' designated representatives to the su
. . preme council', to the conference of
' ambassadors and to the reparations
'. I commission. Fairly, the house of
epresentatives at Washington de-
' kilned to vote immediately on the
i . Cnox resolution for separate peace
' ' vith Germany, but to await develop-
.nents, avoiding for the time being
any act of misinterpretation.
Facts to Be Sent America.
' You know my idea. Europeans who
enjoy a special trip to America in a
vital interest do not attempt to exert
. pressure on American policy. The
Un'ted States is satiated with the
I propaganda of the various European
countries, Americans ask to be let
" alone and have their own minds.
, Europe should limit her role to the
- submission to America of the docu
,' ments in the case. For my part, I
shall endeavor to do this from time
to time by submitting facts to which
I shall add the interpretation placed
; upon these facts by France.
"Americanism." that complex state
of mind, is essentially disdainful of
attempts to influence it. American-
ism does not mean that America
; abandons the rest of the world, but
that the United States proposes to
judge world affairs according to
' American traditions. France has
- nothing to fear from these 'traditions.
, provided she shows Americans her
- true self, undistinguished by party
Bernard, '135 Twelftb street, is a
DALLAS, Or.. May 14. (Special.)
Ezekial F. Sargeant, 65, died at his
home near this city May 9. He was
a native of Polk county, having been
born at Grand Rondo. All but 12
years of his life was spent in Polk
county. He is survived by a widow
and the following children: Bertel
and Delmar Sargeant of this city. Mrs.
W. H. Houck and Mrs. H. W. Hough
of Enterprise, Or.
DALLAS, Or., May 14 (Special.)
John S. Powell. 82. well-known resi
dent of Polk county, died May 10 at
his home near Falls City. Mr. Powell
came to Oregon more than a half
century ago. living for many years
at Philomath, where he was em
ployed as a pharmacist. He came to
Pijlk county in 1908, locating on a
small farm near Falls City. He was
an experienced agriculturist and had
for several years maintained an in
dividual booth of his own products
at the county fair here. He is sur
vived by a widow, and the following
children: Cleveland and Clarence
Powell. Mrs. Grace Brown,Mrs. J. J.
Kreitzer. Falls City; Mrs. R. A. Bald
win of Winlock, Wash., and Mrs. Cul
bert of Seaside, Or. ,
MEDFORD, Or., May 14. (Special.)
James M. Stevens died at his home
here suddenly. May 12, aged 71 years.
He was a pioneer of the Rogue River
valley, having crossed the plains in
1853 with his parents and , settling
in Jackson county, where he had since
resided. He is survived by a widow
and two children, a sister in Portland
and a brother, Harvey Stevens, in
MEDFORD. Or.. May 14. (Special.)
Rebecca Jannett Conley, wife of
Jacob Conley. died at her -home in
Sams Valley. May 13, at the age of
It years. The. family have. Uvea in
Jackson county for the past 56 years,
and on the old home place in Sams
Valley for the past 53 years. Ten
her 14 children survive her. They are
Mrs. J. C. Neil, Pendleton.. Or. ; Mrs.
E. P. Knapp. Central Point. Or.; Mrs.
J. R. Vincent, Sams Valley; Mrs. B.
Tucker. Ashland. Or.: Mrs. C. Kreiger,
Eagle Point, Or.; John Conley, Myrtls
Creek. Or.; Sye Conley, Lorella, Or.;
James and Rollie Conley, Butts Falls,
Or.; and Vern Conley, Sams Valley, Or.
BRITAIN 'MffT LIKELY
TO RENEW TREATY
ent docks and railway centers may
be taken. " '
But whatever may happen in this
direction it seems clear that the min
ors' struggle has resolved itself into
a fight to the finish, and it is merely
a question of whetiher the miners will
be starved into submission before the
whole trade and industry of the coun
try collapse. In even an extension
of the stoppage it is by no means
n.ortsiin that- the wnrkurv will He de
MOdifl'ed PaCt With Japan IS fea"d-, industry already is affected
r seriously and the stoppage of the
transport service would bring about
SOME BAD STKfcTCHES, ARE
DISCOVERED BY AUTO MAX.
I complete paralysis.
AMERICAN1. VIEW WEIGHED
EUGENE, Or., May 14. (Special.)
Mrs. F. H. Hickey, who before her
marriage here 13 years ago was Miss
Margaret woods, daughter or Mrs.
Julia Woods of this city, died at Great
Falls. Mont., a few days ago. Mrs.
Woods returned yesterday from at
tending the" funeral. Mrs. Hickey
lived in Eugene and Cottage Grove
for many years before going to Mon
tana six years ago. Her four chil
dren, Ellen. Mary Anthony, Paul and
5 COUNTIES PUN TO BOND
OPPOSITIOX TO HIGHTOAi
Douglas, Wasco, Hood River, Curry
and Deschutes to vote
Total of $2,425,000.
This truth results from the history
of the last few years. In 1917 Ger
many tried to force America's hand.
M. Jusserand, who represented France
at Washington, allowed the United
States to form its own opinion, and it
decided in favor of France. A few
days ago I sent President Harding a
copy of my book on the "Truth About
the Treaty." The president, in a
charming letter. In which he refers
kindly to our pleasant relations in
"I am quite sure our two repub
lican countries are agreed upon ulti
mate aim of advancing humanity and
can be assured furthermore of our
governments in seeking to attain that
end. I know that nothing will ever
disturb the friendship which exists
between France and the United
,If this friendship is to be fruitful
we must keep each other informed.
That is the law of democracies. It
is necessary and sufficient. The rest
will follow of its own aeoord.
Henry Seeley Williard, prominent
businessman of Wellston, O., and well
known on the Pacific coast, died sud
denly at his home in Wellston
Wednesday, according to news re
ceived yesterday by his cousin, L B.
Seeley, 135 Thirteenth street. Mr.
Williard, who was head of a pig-iron
manufacturing establishment and
president of the First National bank
at Wellston, one of the six honor
banks during the war. had often vis
ited Portland and other Pacifio coast
cities on business. During the winter
of 1914-15 he spent six months- at
Mount Hood lodge for his health.
Mr. Williard was 72 years of ate.
He is survived by his widow, a son
.ind two daughters. Mrs. Anna Seeley,
Five counties are preparing to'sub
mit road bond issues at the special
election in June. Most of the money
is intended for co-operation with the
state highway commission on main
roads. Douglas county leads with a
proposal for Jl, 100, 000; Wasco is to
submit an issue of $800,000; Hood
River, $300,000; Curry, 165,000, and
There is a little opposit'on in each
county, but the most active opposition
anywhere appears to be in Mosier
against the Wasco issue. Mosier peo
ple complain that they have been un
able to get market road money from
he couny cour and ha members of be
court, living in the southern part of
the county, have placed market road
money in that section, ignoring
In Curry county the issue is to be
evenly divided, $82,500 to be used be
tween Rogue river and the Coos
county line and a similar amount be
tween Gold Beach and the California
line. The Hood River proposal is to
be used, in part, for co-operation on
the section of the Mount Hood loop
within that county. The Wasco issue
is to be devoted principally to The
Dalles-California highway, with a
connection running toward Mount
Hood to join the loop road. In Douglas
county part of the bonds are intended
for a 50-50 participation in building
the Roseburg-Coos Bay road between
Roseburg and the county line and in
co-operating in the cost of the bridge
and overhead on the Pacific highway
at Myrtle creek.
BIG BUILDING PROJECTED
Eight-Story Structure on Washing
ton Street Planned.
The erection of an eight-story
nuiiaing is contemplated at the cor
ner of Washington and Twenty-third
streets, where the Keystone store is
located, as the result of an option
taken on that property yesterday.
Plans for the erection of the build
ing were announced by J. W. Gregg,
Fenton building, who said he had
taken the option on the property for a
client, who name he coud not now
divulge, who would put up the building.
According to Mr. Gregg the build
ing to be erected will be of concrete
and will have store rooms below and
be arranged for a hotel or offices
above. A feature will be an arrange
ment whereby the Portland Heights
street cars will pass under a portion
of the building.
"We will put our engineers on the
ground Immediately and expect to
get started with construction work
in short order." he said.
LEGION ENDS TROUBLES
Agreement Reached After Two Sets
of Officers Are Elected.
THE DALLES, Or.. May 14. (Spe
Friendship With United States Is clal.) American Legion difficulties in
I xne .Danes, in which two complete
sets of officers, each claming to be
ml America Is Suspicious. I''L0"'1- ?"f
at a special meeting. The annual
election of officers, scheduled, for
last Monday night; was postponed, by
Dr. Thompson Coberth. commander, A
quorum of the post disregarded ; the
postponement of the meeting and
elected an entire new set of officers.
This election was declared legal last
night inasmuch as the by-laws of the
legion specify that the election shall
be held only on the'second Monday of
the importance attached by Japan to each, May, the date upon which, the
vn.u.si tv,. in;in..insne i. insurgent election was nem
i. ,:-.. ..-f ,f i f. New legion officers are: Pat Foley
. ..o.cv....-..., " " commander; J. T. Henry, vlce-com
c:ally termed) . mander; Matt Duffy, adjutant; George
The establishment of the league or Hostetler, treasurer.
nations has- made it impossible for
I K n n ir.n ii ,1 . t rt ha ran., u'a in its
old form without a cynical breach of $ UUtlM lO GU I U I IrVlDtn
lann on mc pun ui ine -orinoii fiu.
ernment. Suon action need not be an
ticipated. Despite the tardiness of
the allied governments . in allowing
tho league to function there is a
strong body of opinion in Great Brit
ain which Would offer firm resist
ance to an attempt to involve this
country In military commitments con
trary to the provisions of the league.
The splendor and display which
have characterized the official func
tions would seem to indicate that the
BY ARTHUR HEN'DERSON.
Ei-Member of British War Cabinet.
(Copyright. 1921, by The Oregonlan.)
LONDON, May 14. (Special by
Wireless.) The visit to England of
the Japanese crown prince and th
high personages of hie suite denotes
Members of CorvalMs iForestry
School to Cruise Areas.
OREGON AGRICULTURAL COL
LEGE. Corvallis, May 14. (Special.)
A group of more than 0 forestry
students started for the tall timber
Friday morning, under the leadership
of George Peavy, dean of the school
of forestry. r
The "woodsmen" will establish a
Japanese mission is unlikely to de- I camp at the base of Mary's peak on
Construction Work In Some Parts
Makes Detours Necessary but
Roads Generally Fair.
part without aving concluded some
sort of agreement with Britain, but
that it will be different in impor
tant respects from the old treaty may
be fairly assumed.
Agreement May He Limited.
While the labor party is opposed
to the alliance being renewed, the
government may -corsider it neces
sary "for high state reasons" to meet
the desire of Japan up to a point,
but within the limits set by the
eague of nations.
The old alliance, as is well known,
has long been regarded with sus
picion by America, and in seeking
to remove points of friction between
the two countries it is essential that
any agreement between Britain and
Japan should be totally incapable of
involving this country in any form
of co-operation with Japan against
tho United States or any responsi
bility for difficulties that may exist
or may arise between japan ana
The arrival of George Harvey, the
new ambassador, and his rrienaly
message to the British nation are of
equal political significance with the
presence of the Japanese crown
prince. His message augurs well for
the ifuture relationships between the
American and British governments.
During the past few months the
relations between the two countries ob-
the bank of Rock creek. Four sec
tions of land on the east slope of the
mountain will be cruised by the stu
dents. A complete -cruise report and
topographic may will be made for the
Seniors in logging plneering- left
today for the lower Columbia river
district, where they will inspect the
large up-to-date logging operations
and sawmills. Professor Patterson of
the logging engineering department
will be in charge of the trip.
PENDLETON, Or., May 14. (Spe
cial.) Following is a report on the
condition of roads in eastern Oregon
as compiled by the Eastern Oregon
Automobile club secretary here:
Columbia highway (Pendleton to
Portland). Pendleton to Deschutes
river, good gravel road, some mac
adam, good and excellent. Deschntes
river to The Dalles rough, construc
tion work; take detour, good. The
Dalles to Mosier. main highway now
open, rough gravel. Mosier to Hood
River good. Balance to Portland
Old Oregon trail (Pendleton to
Huntington). Pendleton to La Grande
good and fair, half mile east of Ka
mela bad. La Grande to Baker good
to excellent. Baker to Huntington
rough, owing to construction; detours
at Durkee and Burnt river canyon
Oregon - Washington highway
(Walla Walla to the Columbia river
highway via Heppner). Walla Walla
to Pendleton paved .except four miles;
detour near Weston. Pendleton to
Pilot Rock part fair, part rough, con
struction work. Pilot Rock to Hepp
ner good dirt road, sar"e to lone, to
Willows on Columbia highway. '
North and South highway. Pendle
ton to Pilot Rock as above. Pilot
Rock to Albee fair. Albee to Ukiah
bad. Passable to Dale.- No traffic
Pendleton to Spokane. Pendleton
to Walla Walla paved. Walla Walla
to Spokane, all good roads, best route
via Central Ferry and Colfax.
Pendleton to Cold Springs. By
Holdman or South Cold Springs roads,
Pendleton to Helix. To Havana '
paved. Cut-off to Helix graveled,
except three miles, good. Best road
to Bingham. Take river road. Leave
highway at Kirkatrick's for Cayuse.
Best road to Heppner via Echo and
JURY DUTY EXCUSE FAILS
Judge Truax Refuses Delay in
Ewing Trial at Prosser.
PROSSER, May 14. (Special.)-
W. W. Ewing of Seattle, trying to es
cape trial on a criminal charge on
the ground that he was serving on a
Jury at Seattle, and might be called
any moment, found no favor with
Judge John Truax here. After tele
phoning to a Seattle jurist to ask that
Ewing be excused from jury duty
while himself being tried here. Judge
Truax denied the motion for a con
Mr. Ewing is charged with having
obtained the signatures. of J. A. And
erson and M. W. McKamey to notes
hv falsplv renresen.ttne' certain Ren
vlously have been somewnat strained tnn ,, lands which he sold to
and the interview given by Sir Auck- them. The case will be vigorously
land Geddes, British ambassador to defended. Attorneys Murphy of Se-
washington, while he was m lyonaon attle. Parker of Yajtima and Brown
to tne American corresponaents nere 0j prosser having been retained.
snowed cieariy mat mere were
e.uuiiuc I r t, 11" 1
The sentimental ties between the jmi nr:ra xiupiuj,
two countries are many and strong, winsmriiri.n fir ufa-r 14 fRne
but permanent friendly relations can- clai.) Coos Bay was nearly 100 per
Legion Plans (Funerals.
MEDFORD, Or, May 14. (Special.)
Pub Ho funerals under the auspices
of the American Legion post of Med
ford will be held here about May 17,
when the bodies of two of Medford's
heroes, killed in battle in the world
war. arrive about May 18. The men
were Van Allen Cornish and Carl C.
Dunham, both members of the 88th
infantry, 1st division, who fell the
same day at tha Chateau Thierry en
gagement, July - ?3, 1918. Relatives
hers have been apprised by telegraph
by the grave registration service of
the war department that the bodies
had been sent front Jersey City to
Medford on May 12.
Indian Woman, 100, Dead.
ABERDEEN, Wash., May 14. (Spe
cial.) Mrs. Mary Walker, 100 years
old, an Indian of the Chehalis reser
vation, died in Satsop May 10, accord
ing to a report from the. The body
was sent to Grand Mound for burial.
not depend entirely upon these sen
American Friendship Wanted.
Experience has shown that with all
the- good will in the world it ha:
been impossible to avoid serious dif
ficulties with other nations with
whom we have been on friendly
terms, and it is necessary not only
to hope for good relations, but to
work for them by eliminating all
legitimate grounds for suspicion of
An alliance with Japan which
would cost us the friendship of
America would be a world blunder of
the first magnitude.
With a real and complete league
of nations, properly recognized and
properly functioning, limited agree
ments between nations would not
only be unnecessary but dangerous.
Partial alliances, such as the old
Anglo - Japanese agreement, would
hinder the firm establishment of the
league and would sow seeds of dis
cord among nations which ougtht to
be working together in friendship
The British and American people
need to stand together, and it is the
Student Entertainment Success.
NEWBERG. Or., May 14. (Spe
cial.) The Newberg high school stu
dents took in about $55 at their coun
ty fair entertainment at the - high
school Friday evening. The pro
gramme included a minstrel show, a
chorus girl show with boys dressed as
girls for the occasion, an Hawaiian
show, a chamber, of horrors, a baby
show, with big folks dressed as ba
bies; a moving picture show and a
fortune teller. Refreshments . were
Legion Auxiliary Organised.
ST. HELENS, Or., May 14. (Spe
clal.) The women's auxiliary to Col
umbia post No. 42, American Legion,
was organized here Friday. The of
ficers chosen were: Mrs. A. J. Dem
ing, president; Mrs. S. 33. Hoskins,
vice-president; Mrs. Harry Kurtz,
secretary, and Barbara Jordan, treas
urer. Mrs. S. B. Huston of Portland
aided In the organization.
Rate Hearings Are Set. . -
SALEM. Or., May 14. (Special.)
The Oregon public service commission
will hold a hearing at Reedsport on
May 17 to consider an application for.
an increase in electric rates. On May
18 a hearing will be held at Coquille,
Coos county, with relation to tele
phone rates and an overhead crossing,
while on May 20 sand and gravel
charges will be considered at a hearing-
to be held in Salem.
cent nor'mal from a point of employ
ment, although wages were lower and
help In maiy instances was not em
ployed at pursuits in which they are
best adapted. The situation was
brought about by starting of various
mills and logging camps during the !
last month, street and county work
under way, and several construction
jobs being undertaken. A very few
are idle, but there will be places for
nearly every laboring man within an
other ten days, it was believed by
Government Employment Agent Rust.
Perkins May Xot Get Job.
THE OREGONIAN NEWS BUREAU.
Washington, D. C. May 14. Colonel
William T. Perkins of Seattle, who
was slated a week ago for appoint
ment as governor of Alaska, Is about
to lose out, according to reliable re
ports. The administration was much
impressed with Colonel Perkins' abil
ity and qualifications, but is said to
have discovered that he had political
associations in Alaska which would
militate against his usefulness. The
president is determined to appoint no
one who has any connection with
duty of the respective governments Alaska politics.
to come to a firm and complete un
derstanding as soon as possible, for
they are the cornerstones upon which
world peace mainly depends.
Mine Straggle Still On.
The struggle of the British miners
shows no signs of coming to an early
conclusion. Indeed, not only havt
the negotiations not been resumed
but there is reason to believe that
the government and the operators
have made up their minds to allow
events to take their course, by which
is meant they are going to sit tight
until tha miners and their depend
ents are reduced to submission by
the pressure of starvation.
The situation again is asuming a
grave aspect as a result of the dock
ers and railway men refusing to han
dle imported coal. The government
is busy elaborating preparations for
meeting an extension of the stop
page of work, and while it is doubtful
whether there will be immediate gen
eral action by the transport work
ers and railway men, it is more than
likely t-hst TorRdie action at differ-
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A Special Display
Fine Oriental Rugs
has been arranged at , the
Auditorium by Cartozian
Bros. Mats, small and
room size rugs are being
shown at delightfully reason
A. O. Cartozian of Seat
tle in charge.
Oriental weaving will also
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Built with a high- arch construc
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is good looking and neat in every
appearance. We carry "SOCKET
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and women in either black or
brown kid and in sizes that as
sure a perfect fit. ,
T. E. Comings
Foot Specialist in Charge.,
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you did believe
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; Where will you find the
equal of these remarkable
young men's suit values?
Such fabrics, such styles,
such workmanship at
these prices are not to be
duplicated elsewhere. A
' strong- statement. But the '
clothes are here to prove it.
We invite you to compare.
The new Spring models
and new woolen patterns
are now on display here.
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, B. Klnchbaua. Cosa7
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Holeproof Prices Are 35 to
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StapU anJ fawtyJt for
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Women's Pots Silt tl to
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HOLEPROOF HOSIERY prices have been
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the new times; but Holeproof quality remains
as high as ever.
Men will find that Holeproof dealers are now
selling hose of finest quality pure silk as low as
75c per pair. And women can get heavy, elegant,
lustrous, pure silk hose of famous Holeproof
wearing quality for as little as $i. ay per pair.
With Holeproof selling at such moderate prices,
everyone can wear smart, high-grade hosiery
without overtaxing the purse.
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