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THE MORXIXG OREGOXIAX, FRIDAY, DECE3IBER 4, iyos. FRIENDS MID FOES OF LIQUOR DEBUTE Preachers, Councilmen and President of Saloonmen Discuss Cellars Law. UNUSUAL MEETING IS HELD Dvnnrlt Speaks for Present Ordi nance Knslili?lit lcfends the Amendment. McKcreher Gets Hearing for Prohibitionists. .-readier and naloonkeeper. prohibi tionist and the advocate of the license systPin. members of the City Council and Just ordinary, plain cftizena In every walk of life- gathered at the White Temple Wednesday night under the auspice of the Men s Club of that church and listened to a general dis cussion on the mooted ordinance keep ing women from saloons and the amendment by Councilman Rushlight, which was recently defeated. It was a meeting of unusual Interest and set a precedent in the line of unique affair In churches. After frank talks of .rom five to ten minutes, covering- all phases of the question, it was apparent that some of the central figures in the big truKle between the representatives of the liquor business and Its oppo nents understood each other better, and felt a little more kindly toward one another than heretofore, it was agreed that the meeting was a good thing, and may bear desirable results. Dr. J. Whttcom.: Brougher. the pas tor, presided as president of the club. The whole affair vis most informal and delightfully interesting. No bars were put up. except that each speaker must observe the ordinary courtesies, and after the two hours of discussion, indulged in by preachers, saloonkeep ers. Councilmen and others. Dr. Krougher expressed himself as highly pleased with the meeting, and particu larly as to the deference the speakers showed for each other. "It was said by some that we would have a rough house here." he stated, "but we have Instead had a mighty good time together, and w.e understand each other some better than when we first came into this place tonight." All Sides Are Represented. Those who spoke were Councilman Bennett, in defense of the Cellars or dinance. Mr. Cellars being absent: Councilman Rushlight, in defense of his amendment, which was vetoed by Mayor lane; Frank Hoffman, president of the Retail Liquor Dealers' Associa tion, who defended the license system; Kev. K. S. Muckley. who contended for elimination of liquor from all hotels and restaurants, as well as keeping women from saloons and small estab lishments; P. I. McKercher, who spoke for prohibition, and Beveral others, who had their own views of the matter. Illustrative ' of the cordiality and good feeling that existed between the participants, it may be said that, after the meeting. Mr. McKercher. a rabid prohibitionist, hurried down the aisle, extended hid hand to President Hoff man, of the liquor dealers' organiza tion, and said:. 'My brother! how are you tonight?" "First rate." replied President Hoff man. "I am very glad to meet you." Then, as it was late, the big crowd hurried forth from the church. Brougher Is Ejected President. At the beginning of the meeting Dr. Brougher was elected president of the Mfn"s Club, to fill a vacancy, and made a brief speech, in which he said he will never be satisfied until there is a mem bership of He said that the day will surely come when the members will have a miplity Influence in civic affairs. He declared that the club is to be active in politics and should be able to "make some people sit up and take notice." Ir. Brougher then Introduced Council man Bennett, who spoke In place of Councilman Cellars, the latter being in Seattle. Mr. Bennett said that the Cel lars ordinance is Uie result of trouble the City Council had with saloons. He explained that the cases which came up for consideration were nearly always found to have been brought about by women In the'saloons. He declared that no member of the Council is favorable to women in saloons, contrary to a gen eral opinion. Mr. Bennett, who supported the Cellars law, said that it is believed by Its friends in the Council that it Is the best measure ever enacted In Portland for the protection of young women and girls. He said, however, that it was deemed unwLse at the time to bar women from all dining-rooms, lest it should become obnoxious, so the limit on rooms where women might be served with liquor was placed at 400 square feet.' Councilman Rushlight was then intro duced and at once proceeded to defend the amendment recently Introduced by him. which was passed by the Council. but was later vetoed by the Mayor and the veto sustained. Mr. Rushlight said the first clause of h'.s amendment provided for the sale of bottled goods in family stores. The next clause cut down the floor space to 300 square feet. This, he said, was done to give certain places here, legitimate un der the- law, the right to operate. He then said the objections to the Cellar ordinance are that It is too sweeping in 'its restrictions on women: he believes women, are able to protect themselves, he said. Another objection, he said. Is that the Cellars law permits women td purchsae bottled goods In drug and gro cery stores; but It forbids the sale to women elsewhere, except in restaurants serving liquor with meals where there Is an open and public dining-room, with 400 square feet of flocjr space. He said that he believed Mr. Cellars was careful "not to offend the mighty the Grocers' Association, the Amalgamated Druggists and the big hotels." all of which are per mitted to cater to women. He said hi sole motive In endeavoring to amend th Cellars law was to mete out justice to all. Kev. K. S. Muckley then took the platform' and Ir. Brougher said that, being a preacher. Kev. Mr. Muckley would be held down strictly to time. The speaker declared In favor of amending In a way that will put out of business the "big'' hotels. "I believe Councilman Rushlight Is honest." aald Kev. Mr. Muckley. "Why he looks as honest as a preacher! If he had on my coal, you could not tell him from one. Now. I think Uie amendment he offered was in the wrong direction It would have allowed many places to sell liquor to women which are barred under the Cellars law. This was the wrong way to amend: it Is better to amend in a way that will put liquor out of the Hotel Portland grill, the Oregon rrill. the Hof Bran, the Quelle and other larger restaurants. Mr. Cellars said that the juoiio wou.d cot aiaua such a . stringent law as that, but If this Is true, I greatly deplore it." Would t'Ue All Saloons. The matter as viewed- by a prohibition ist was told by F. J. McKercher. who 1.1 . 1 . . . I J 1 1 . I t . 1 nf all li;iu tutu 113 uemaiiirB kit; . w. . . saloons, and that every one of the other speaaers neggeu tne question. c ... that the whoie trouble dates back to 13. when the Federal Government li cenced the saloon. Tlie result of this, lie said. Is shown in many ways. He declared it Is certainly not right to legis late women out of saloons and not to legislate the men out also. "What Is the difference." he asked, "between a woman drinking in a room of 4'0 square feet or no larger than a gimlet-hole?" Xotning short of absolute prohibition, he said, will ever seule the matter and settle It right. At this Juncture Dr. Brougher called for the collection plates. "Aren-t you mistaken T' asked Rev. Mr. Muckley. ' , The ushers will please pass the plates and every man will please be so kind as to take an apple." replied Dr. Brougher. This little act created a very happy social feature. While this was being done Councilman Baker sent over to the Bungalow Theater and securea tne kt Ices of Milton W. Seaman, who accompa nied M. Bowmnn on the piano. Mr. Bowman singing a beautiful solo. He re sponded to an encore. Speaks Tor Ketail Dealers. President Frank Hoffman, of the Retail Liquor Dealers' Association,- was intro duced, and said that prohibition, so far as stopping the drinking. Is a failure. In all the "dry" precincts, he declared, wagons. deliver goods for drinking every day. As to women, he asked: "Why is It that a woman can drink In a place like the Hotel Portland and not In any respectable taloon?" He said that so long as the Council licenses "the liquor dealers are going to fight to hold tTieir business, and it remains to be seen who will beat it out." Councilman Vaughn was called upon, and said that both the Cellars ordinance and Rushlight amendment are wrong: that he wanted all restaurants Included, and that they are the worst places of all. He declared that he will support a measure to exclude liquor from restau rants. He said he will not sign any restaurant liquor licenses. He declared that the only virtue in the Cellars ordi nance is Its title, "Women-ln-saloons." B Lee Baget spoke. In favor of prohi bition, saying it is the greatest issue before the American people, and saying the license system is all wrong. pr. Brougher called upon Councilmen Baker and Kellaher. and Mr. Baker said that he was fooled In voting for the Cel lars ordinance; that it does not do what he thought It would do In protecting young women. He said the Cellars law does not keep wmen and girls from the gilded places. He asserted lie knows that , , Jl.ln all thA in these' places gins are u....-..;n -!! Dr. Brougher knows It, too. "for I have seen him there." "W1U ycu support a measure iu llouor from hotels?" asked Rev. Mr. Muckley. .. . 'That is a aencaie queoiiun, Mr. Baker. ,-,,. ... I knew that when 1 asueu n. Rev. Mr. Muckley. "When I came into this hive I ex pected to te stung." replied Mr. Baker, amid great laughter. He then said tnat ... i,.n,i that "fashionable" hotels ire. necessary to so large a city. Councilman jveuaner unid.cu .--. , ..rin nf the Cellars till always ueen - law because when Mr. Kellaher triad to amend it to exclude liquor .i rants Mr. Cellars voted against It. Dr Brougher closed the debate by say ing he supported the Cellars 'aw "because It Is the best we couiu net. ... BIGGY WANTED TO RESIGN Conflicting Reports of His Intention Given Out. . L'mvmapn Tie. 3. After 43 houri search no trace of Chief of Police w j h. von fnund. Rumors and surmises that the Chief is in hiding are without foundation, me jiajor Intended to keep him in office, notwithstanding charges that he was incompeiem. That Chief Biggy offered hla resigna tion to Police Commissioner Hugo D. Keil an hour before his death. -and during th period of his visit to the Commis--i at Belvedere. became known today. Keil admit that the miss ing official offered to surrenuer w sitlon. In the hope that the Commissioners would be relieved of newspaper criticism, to which Biggy felt they had been sub jected on his account, tut Keil. aocord T : . HM-lnratlon. refused to ac cept or consider the proposal, and ad vised the Oiler tnai me mcmucio Board would not entertain the Idea of his resigning under fire, w T.iim vhen asked today 11 Chief Biggy's resignation had been placed In his nanus oy Lanuujuu -had been reported, characterized the re port a erroneous, uie jiajm .r i hii enmmunlcation with Chief Biggy. oral, written or otherwise. for over a week past ano no Intimation of any kind that he con- . -o.i.-nlnB' from his position. leiupjttiu - ' n r - - The statement crediting me with any communication rrom tniei mesj Ke-' to have been materially exaggerated v to say the least." EXPLOSION VICTIM DIES Emil A. Hargel Succumbs to Injur ies at Hospital. ' o n..rrat A nf th two men in jured Monday morning in an- explosion at the plant. OI tne rm uii pany. First and Flanders streets, died yesterday afternoon at St. Vincent's Hos pital. Harget was unconscious iron, time of the accident until his death and physicians had early given up hope of his recovery. At the time or tne explosion, narpei aim n t t uuhan vbpa wnrklnf at the tOD of the super-heater from which the gas flows into an enormous iron uuin. iras in this compartment oecame over- , . i Aallatnv a lftrfire Iron elbow to iietnt;u, '-." - burst. Harget fell 30 feM. but Meehan clung to the roof and his Injuries are not considered fatal. Harget is survived Dy a wiaow anu a little child, living at 1102 Bast Twenty sixth street. Mr. and Mrs. Harget lost a small child by death a short time ago and the widow is prostrated. INDIAN SERVICE TO END Leupp Says Passing Will Be Great Help to Red Men. WASHIN'OTOX, Dec. 3. Reorganization will prepare It .for going out of business of the Indian service along lines which at no distant day. is tlie general aim of Commissioner Leupp. according to his an nual report. Just issued. - "No greater help." he declared. can come to the Indians than through hav ing this service pass out of existence In just the right way." The Commissioner argues that there Is no better way of accomplishing tills re sult than for Congress to grant him the additional employes he needs "to guide the office In its decline." A large degree of success, says the Commissioner, has attended his efforts to suppress the liquor habit among In dians. Olympla Malt Extract, good for grand ma or baby. Only JE-100 of 1 per cent alcohol. Pnonea Main U. A 2167. LUST MESSAGE IS ONEOF FRIENDSHIP Letter of Late Chinese Emper or Thanks President for Return of indemnity. PRESENTED BY TANG SHAO Wlslies That American People Be Kver Blessed With Prosperity and Peace KoosevcK Gives lte- ply to Special Minister. WASHINGTON, Dec. 3. "Long may your excellency enjoy good health and happiness; may the American people be ever blessed with prosperity and peace; these are our heartfelt wishes." These are the sentiments expressed in the concluding sentence of the letter from the late Bmperor of China to the President, handed him today by Tong Shoa Yl. the special Chinese Ambassa dor, thanking the United States Govern ment for the remission of J14.000.000 of the indemnity guaranteed by China for dam ages resulting from the Boxer rebellion. The presentation of the letter took place In the blue parlor of the White Housed this afternoon. Square Deal. The letter was as follows: "The Emperor of China to the President of tlie United States of America, Greeting: "Mr. President: China has always maintained the most friendly relations with the United States since the estab lishment of intercourse between the two countries. By taking the intiative in pro posing remission of a portion of the in demnity ns provided by treaty. Your Ex cellency has won the respect of mankind for magnanimity and Just dealing. Furthermore, the Congress has given signal proof of friendliness by giving effect to Your Excellency's recommenda tions. "In sincere recognition of this generous action we hereby appoint Tong Shoa Yl, an official with the rank of President of a Ministry and Governor of the province of Fengtlen, as Special Ambassador, to proceed to the United States for the pur pose of presenting this, our letter. We have always placed entire confidence In his eminent ability, clear perception and sterling integrity. We have specially commanded him. In the discharge of his duties to convey to Your Excellency the expression of our grateful thanks and testify to our lasting friendship. It is our hope that the relations of the two countries will be further strengthened by mutual confidence. " Long may Your Excellency enjoy good health and hap piness; may the American people be ever blessed with prosperity and peace; these are our heartfelt wishes. 'Given on the 24th day of the eighth moon In the 34th year of Kwang Hsu. (Sept. .19, 1908)." " Last Message. In presenting the letter Ambassador Tang recalled that It was the last mes sage addressed by his late majesty to the President, and said that every line of it breathed friendship and good will for the Government and people of the United States and voiced the sentiments of all China. In his reply, the President said: "I ask you to express to your august sovereign and to the Chinese govern ment my appreciation and that of the Government and people of the United States, . of the sending of this special embassy which so finely signalizes a fresh manifestation of that sincere confidence, good will and friendship between the United States and the Chinese Empire which It is the cherished aim of this Government to foster for all time." Boycott on Austria Spreads. ST. PETERSBURG. Dec. 3. The Turkish boycott of Austrian goods has extended into Egypt and Albania and is threatening to spread throughout the entire Mussulman world. It Is an old story now that nervous people tell of how the blood became thin and poor and then the nervous symptoms follow ed. How many cor rectly guess that the thin blood was responsible for the nervous dis order ? The nerves get all their nourish ment through the blood and as thin blood is deficient in nerve-building material the nerves become starved. Pain and nervous break down result. Dr. Williams' Fink Fills are a tonic for the blood that supply it with the neces sary elements to nourish and tone up the nerves and, the cause being removed, nature does the rest and health is restored. At all druggists, or direct from Dr. Williams Medicine Company, Scbenectady, N. Y. 5 cents per box; six boxes for $.5n. t'soV- -x -StTr--v": "ir:i?1i''Ssk Copyrleht 1W8 hy J Hart Scbatfoer & Marx TINY BOATS' LONG VOYAGE Mine-lManCers on Trip Around Horn From Hampton Koads. vrwpart NEWS. Va.. Dec. 3. A haz ardous journey, the like of which has been undertaken heretofore only by the i . ,i i . flntiilu . iYat Acrnm- IltfcVt! LUHtHJUU-uimi wuli" ' pan led the battleship squadron from the LARGEST AND LEADING FUR MANUFACTURERS OF THE WEST. ular PRICE FOR TODAY j - - it (Grand S Sli-iKA ,io,. inr. ar,rl w.e desired. 14-1 LVJ. WAV. -- Exclusive High-Class f QC Millinery Sale p.VJ Each and every hat offered at this sale is worth from $15.00 up to $35.00. We must close these hats out at once, so take your choice at the low qa qc price of only . .' MERCHANDISE PURCHASED NOW WILL BE HELD FOR XMAS DELIVERY. MAKE , i 11 Sam'I The Lightest Store Atlantic to the Pacific, was begun here today when four small Government mine planters, no bigger than tugs, steamed from Hampton Roads at 4 o'clock this afternoon. Two of the tiny craft, the Col. Geo. Armlstead and the Major Sam uel Ringgold, are destined for Seattle, via Cape Horn, while the others, the Gen. Samuel F. Hunt and the Gen. Henry Knox, have been assigned to Manila and will proceed there via the Sues Canal. These boats will form a part of the Army coast defense service. - Exceptional offering of a limited number of this season s styles m As trachan Fur Coats, for Friday and Saturday only.. An opportunity to purchase a beautiful fur coat for a Christmas gift at a great saving. Note these two unusual bargains. $50 ASTRACHAN COATS 39.SO These Coats are made in our own fac tory, of fine quality astrachan, with large shawl collar, lined throughout with Skinner's guaranteed satin; reg $50.00 values, only ...$39.SO ale of . vnJr.nn1 r,-rA of;ij-n'n rr To ilnrprl Sllit.S Wf Now displayed in our corner windows. Sale prices. Suit bection, OW here's as smart and stylish a garment as you'll ever set your eyes on or put your frame into. HART SCHAFFNER & MARX call it "The Military Raincoat." It looks military and does the raincoat part to perfection. A light weight, long overcoat with collar that buttons up under the chin', with generous side plaits in the skirts to give your legs freedom in walking. It's one of the latest and best. $20 to $30 Just received a new line of "Military" Coats Your inspection is invited. Rosenblatt Sl Co. in Portland CORNER THIRD AND MORRISON DORR DID NOT EMBEZZLE Insolvent-Broker Proves He Bought Stock for Coatsworth. LOS ANGELES. Dec. 3. The charge of embeazling J8000 against Fred Dorr, Insolvent broker, was dismissed by Justice Summerfield this afternoon, w t rnataworth. of Pasadena, al- I leged that he had given Dorr the moneV Cor. 4th and Morrison Sts. $65 MOIRE ASTRA CHAN COATS An unusual offer in these beautiful Moire Astrachan Coats, trimmed with fancy mink neckpiece and cuffs, with natural heads, made in the latest semi fitting styles, lined throughout with beautiful brocade lining, regular $65.00 values, for only $49.SO Tailored Suits have ever shown at such A r-t Friday B.rin Pre-Holiday Sale Sterling Jewelry, Leather uoous, civc Visit our first floor, where you will find hundreds of beautiful suggestions for the coming holidays, all at radical reductions for Friday and Satur day. You are cordially invited to inspect our stock, whether purchasing or not. Compare values. with which to purchase 100 shares of Atchison common on June 23, and that he hud never received the stock nor had his money been returned. 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