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SALEM, OREGON, MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 6, 1915
PRICE TWO CENTS btaSS
NER IS TORPEDOED
Hesperian Struck Without Warning, and So Badly Injured
That She Is Left To Sink-Passengers Are All Taken Off
In Calm Sea Although Thirty Were Injured -Two or
Three Members of Crew Were American Citizens
AMERICANS FACE :
IN BATTLE LINE
Carranza's Commander, How
ever Claims To Be With
London, Sept. 0. The Allan liner I great column of water spouted into the
Hesperian, torpedoed by a submarine air and broke over the deck. PBssen
off the Irish const Saturday night. gers were drenched to the skin. Boats
sank at 6:43 a. m. today while endea
voring to make Queenstown. -
Announcement of the sinking of the
Hesperian was made from the Allan
line offices at 9:30 today. No details
were given, but Captain Main and all
members of the crew of 300 are report
ed to have been saved. A wireless mes
wage received at noon stated that the
enptaiu and his men had been taken
off the Hesperian safely before the
vessel plunged to the bottom. They
were taken .aboard vessels which were
endeavoring to tow the liner back to
Vessel Is Abandoned.
The Inst previous report received
lust night declared the Hesperian was
Ht ill afloat and that the liner would
j probably reach Queenstown about 10
a. m. The steamer, however, filled
more rapidly than was expected from
the hole in her hull and it was neces
sary to take off the crew and leave the
Hesperian to her fate.
The coirso of tt).e Hesperian took her
through the sahie waters in which the
Lusitnnia and Arabic were torpedoed,
mid it is presumed the latest liner vic
tim went to the bottom but a short dis
tance from the others.
Thirty Are Injured.
Reports as to casualties were coiv
tradictory today. Before the Hesperian
was known to have sunk, the Allnn
line office stated that the liner's 3.0
passengers and crew of 350 had been
placed in boats and landed safely at
Queenstown. Press dispatches, how
ever, -reported the death of a 'Hiss Car
berry from shock. Another woman was
reported to have been injured, and to
have- died aboard one of the'- rescue
khips. , .
. In all 30 passengers were injured. A
majority of the injured were in two
small boats which capsized' before strik
ing the water after being put over the
Hesperian s side.
No American Passengers.
Tl, or wa-a nr. I.,..; na.r.ron
aboard the Hesperian and no more than
two or three members of the crew were
All passengers from the liner at
Queenstown today agreed that the Hesperian-
was torpedoed without warning.
O. S. Blue, of Ottawa, today said he
beard tlie cry of "submarine on star
(ward quarter" before the explosion
Others said the submarine could not be
won because of the gathering darkness.
The Hesperian was attacked at 8:30
and it was dusk.
Calid Sea Saved Lives.
A calm ten and the fact that tne
Hesperian was extremely slow in sink
jug made it possible to tnko off the
passengers and crew. Passengers at
Queenstown today declared they be
Jieved the danger zone had ben passed
when a violent explosion was suddenly
hoard. Tho Hesperian lurched and a
were immediately lowered, life preserv
ers passed out, and passengers ordered
to take their places to go over the
side. There was little confusion, those
here today said, and but for two boats
capsizing as they were being lowered
all would probably have escaped with
out injury. The passengers hurled into
the waters when lifeboats capsized were
quickly rescued. Admiralty tuss and
other ships arrived at the Scene later
and picked up tho passengers.
When it was seen the Hesperian
might remain afloat, Captain Main and
the crew stayed on board, and it was
hoped the vessel would be able to make
Practically all of the Hesperian 's pas
sengers were Canadians and English
men. They included 20 wounded Cana
dian soldiers being invalided home.
May Have Carried Guns.
The admiralty today had failed to
confirm the report of Consult Frost, at
Queenstown, that the Hesperian car
ried a four-inch rifle mounted aft; Of
ficials bhi (I, however, it was possibly
true. They added that the fact that the
gun was on the stern was proof that it
was intended tor defensive and not of
fensive purposes. Frost reported the
Hesperian s gun was visible.
Less than an hour after the Hesper-
inn sent out a wireless call for help
alter being hit, a rescue lleet had sur
rounded the liner. Passengers and mem
bers of the crew were pickd up and
placd upon other ships. A number of
women who had rotired early were clad
only in their night clothing and sutler
ed severely frojn exposure... -
Several meil put on life belts quickly
niter tne Jlespennu was struck and
jumped into the water from the deck
without waiting for the lifeboats. Sov
eral slightly wounded Canadian Sol
diers dived from the Liner and rescued
women and children who were thrown
into the water when tho two lifeboats
capsized. There was some confusion,
owing to the darkness, but the Hesper
mil had scarcely been halted uotore
boats were over the side and passengers
were being lowerd.
Passengers Sing "Tipperary."
While rowing away from the lies
perinn and awaiting the arrival of res
cue ships, tho passengers kept up their
nntirnrra h liniritiff "Tiiilldmr
The sea was calm, but there was dan
ger of one of the lifeboats sinking be
cause of its leaky seams. Observing
this, the, passengers plugged up the
seams with stockings and pieces of
FIGHT TO FINISH
Ready For Ten Years' Strug
gle If Necessary To Final
A Steamer Torpedoed.
London. Sept. C Tha British steam-
er Cymbaline was torpedoed and sunk
by a submarine today.
'Six members of the crew were killed
and six injured. Tliirty-one survivors
were rescued and landed. The Cymbe
line was a vessel of 4505 tons.
Constant Fluctuation Marks
German Progress Into Russia
Washington, Sept. 7. American and
Mexican troops near Mission, Texas,
face each other across the river in
danger of n conflict," Geueral Fuu
ston reported to the war department
General Nafarctte, 'Carrnnzista com
mander, notified Funston he was re
moving his trcops from the border.
Any shooting trom Mexico is not
by my men," Nafarctte said.
Reports of Continued Sniping.
Brownsville, Tex., Sept. 0. Keports
of continued sniping and running en
gagements with Mexican bandits at
isolated points continued to reach here
today, but in the main the situation
on the border was more quiet. Several
Mexicans wero killed and several
wounded yesterday. The Mexicans
started the exchanges by "firing fipon
American troops or civilians, but with
drew after members of their baud had
been killed or wounded when the shots
Troop trains were arriving here to
day with, more thnn 7000 troops who are
to be stationed in the lower Kio Grande
valley.- Major Hay arrived yesterday
with the first detachment of the troops
being moved from San Autonio.
No Firing Across Line.
Brownsville, Texas, Sept. 6. Rival
commanders of factions across the Rio
Grande from here apparently had their
men. in hand this afternoon, as there
had been no firing across the line to
On the American side, however, a de
tachment of the third cavalry killed
one Mexican bandit, and wounded an
other, in a battle Bixteen miles north
ward this morning. At ttip same time.
two Mexicans were killed in a skirmish
in Hidalgo county.
Father Will Witness'
Daughter's Murderer Die
Sacrnmento, Cal., Sept. 0 William F.
Milling, father of 10-year-old Margaret
Milling, who was murdered by David
Fountain in the German Lutheran
church last December, will be one of the
witnesses to see the fiend hanged at
Folsom prison Friday morning. Unless
executive clemency interferes Fountain
will pny the death penalty for his out
Milling has requested Warden Smith
of Folsom for nn invitation for himself
and five of his friends. The demands
for invitations to the hanging has beet
As the day for his hanging draws
near Fountain has very little to snv,
He is slightly nervous. Warden Smith
had a talk with him today and he said
that he wanted neither minister or
"I'm a Methodist," snid Fountain
but I don't want to sec any minlstc
or priest. I'm ready to die. I've got
no friends and I guess I will pay th
Fountain will be placed in the death
cell tomorrow and the "death watch'
will begin. During the "death watch'
a guard is stationed at the cell of th
condemned man to attend to his wants
and watch to see that he does not harm
HEAVY ARTILLERY DUEL
SHAKES WESTERN FRONT
Roumanian Reservists Are
Called To Arms Without
(By J. W. T. Masoa.)
(Written for the United Press.)
New York, Sept. 8. Constant flue-;
ti'ation, marking the strugglo for Dvina
mi the road to Petrograd, is evidence
"f the npproaching fatigue which in
evitably must overtake the unprece
dented' offensive the Austro-Germans
have wiiged since May.
Not only on the northeastern line, but
"long the entire front, this same spas
modic warfare is apparent. General
on llindenburg one day is about to
upture Riga anil the next day he is
compelled to halt. Likewise, Geueral
Mackensen one day is on tho verge of
dividing the retreating Slav forces;
but the next day he is farced to halt.
Again, the eastern Galic.iaii offensive is
iinewed, one day, only to become in-
icrive tne next.
Nowhere now is there visible the re
sistless progress that mnrkod earlier
AustroGerman efforts. The climax of
the Teutonic sweep came with the fall
of Lemberg. From that time on, the
mighty onrush of the combined armies
has slowed down, gradually, it is true.
But the speed and power reduction was
nevertheless manifest. For it took a
more obvious output of force, effort
and strategy to accuiiiplishe Warsawis
downfall thun have been apparent in
the Gnlician campaigning; the occupa
tion of Brest-Litovsk, Kovno, and Gro
dno have been followed by a decreas
ing vigor of attack.
. Four months of the persistent, nerve-
racking, intense warfare that carried
tli Austrn Germans from Duuajec to
I.AU1 licru is impossible lu modem war
fare. Csiinllv after such a grilling
campaign ns culminated with lcm
hi-i' i-niiitulntiou. three months' re-
cmierntion is needed. On this basis,
1 . . m it . il .. I. ,.l,1u
provttU(t tne neeii lor resi mrvrv nwi
tin. snows of Russia which scat
tered Napoleon's leitions "like winter's
" will be falling be
e..r Hip Teutoui 'i recover their lost
Judge Was Murdered
By Mysterious Stranger
Providence, R. I.,' Sept, 0. Just after
leaving bis Scitunte, R. 1., summer home
t'lis morning, Judge Willis Knowlos of
'he Kighth district court, was shot aud
killed by a mysterious stranger.
The judge s housekeeper told police
"he heard the man exclaim:
"I've not von now. vou "
whereupon lie fired three shots at the
While the police have no clue, they
entertained the theory that the judge
w a victim of some one whom he had
INDIAN WANTS GOLD TEETH
Can Francisco, Sept. ). Becuuse lie's
got only one good tooth in his head and
feels he needs a real set tor tne nuppj
hunting grounds, thief Too Mirny
Feathers in His Tail (and too few teeth
In hi face) called at the reposition
Dental congress today for some new
The (ill vear-old Indian objected stren
uously to the doctors' orders for the
removal of that last evidence of a once
-..!.! nf ftin ftr. DUl iumil PUir
at .ifntiff ones in the next
world." he said, "and I want the pret
TWO BADLY INJURED
Portland, Ore., Sept. fl. While en
deavoring to overtake n speeding auto
mobile on the Sandy Bond last night
r.ugene W. W lute, county motorcycl
patrolman, crashed into John and
Georgo Hollander, two brothers, of
Hillsboro, who also were on a motor
cycle and inflicted such Injuries that
it is considered doubtful today if eith
er of the brothers will recover.
A loafer alius gits his hair cut on
Saturday niizht. Some folks are never
so happy oi when they're swappi
ailmepts. , i.
Torpedoing o f Hesperian
Taken To Mean No Change
Petrograd, Sep. tl. Russia's deter
mination to fight the war to the Inst
itch even five to ten years if needs
be was voiced by President M. Rod
zianko u the .'im, in an interview to
"If we are forced to give up Petro
grad and Moscow," ho said, "we will
retire to the defenses in the Ural moun
tains, and continue the fight. Russia
is determined to fight five, oven ten
years, if necessary.
"She naa twelve million soldiers who
will resist to the last drop of blood
They will not think of peace while a
single enemy soldier is on Kussinu
Newspapers today took a more opti
mistic view of the situation, following
the Germans failure before Viliin, and
along the Uvina. Some expressed the
belief that the combined armies are
weakening through redistribution of
their forces, while others held the Aus-
tro-uerman offensive is about to end.
Heavy Artillery Engaged.
Paris, Kept. 0. The entire battle
front from Ypes, across northern
France to Switzerland was shukeu by
heavy artillery bombardments yester
day. Reporting the engagements today
the official communique declared in the
Champagne and Artois regions, the ex
changes were especially fierce. There
the Germans replied vigorously to the
French fire. '
In the Champagne and Argonne re
gions grenade attacks were mnde after
mines bad been exploded. - The Ger
man barracks at Dicuse and Morhuhge
were successf ully uomDarded. .
Roumania, Reservists Called.
Loudon. .Sept. u. Roumanians in
Switzerland have boen ordered to re
turn immediately to their home conn
try and Teport to their regimental dl
visions, Geneva dispatches today said
The report received various interpre
tations here, lu some circles, it was
considered an indication that the al
lies have succeeded in their negotia
tions for Roumania participation in the
war, but the general belief was that
the move meant the nation is strength
ening its border guard because of rum
ors that the Austro-Uermans are plan
ning a Balkan coup, .
No Progi-esa Toward Vllna.
Berlin, via wireless to London, Sept
0. No important progress has been
made toward Vilna durin the Inst
two days, the war office admitted to
day. Reporting operations on tho east
ern front an official statement said t
situation from the Baltic to east
of Grodno was unchanged.
Further advances by the Bnvnriuns
on the German center and the forces of
Field Marshal Von Mackensen, furth
er south, were reported by the war of
fice, while Field Marshal Vou Hindcn
burg was declared to be progressing
"Field Marshal Von Hindenhurg'
right wing is n'caring the Niemen river
at l.unno," the statement snid.
"Prince Leopold's forces are clash
ing constantly witli tlie Kusslnn rear
guard and has crossed the Ross river
south of Volkovysk and passed the Smo-
"Northeast of 1'rushany, Field Mar
shal Von .Mackensen continues to ad
Warships Re enter Riga.
Copenhagen, Kept. 0. Gurmnn war
ships re-entered tho Gulf of Riga, com
pelling the KuHtiniis to flee, according
to advices here today. The Slavs are
reported to have evacuated I lego inland
at the entrance to the gulf of Finland.
Slide British Submarine.
Constantinople, via Berlin, Aug. (1,
Sinking of a Isritish submarine in tl"
Dardanelles was officially reported to
day in a statement which declared three
officers and twenty-five members of
the crew were captured.
The submarine was probably the
same which Berlin dispatches Inst night
reported sunk off the enltrnnce to the
Gulf of Tsmid. These messages said it
was impossible to save the crew.
BASEBALL GAMES POSTPONED
London, Sept. 6. The British today
expressed the opinion that in torpedo-
ng the Hesperian, Germany had brok-
eu faith with the United States. Hav-
ng attacked the liner withw.it warning
the kaiser has shown bis government
Iocs not intend to keep the pledge giv
en Washington. Papers reprinted the
aragiaph lrom tne memorandum pre
sented by Ambassador Von Bernsiorff
saying "Liners will not be sunk by
our submarines without warning and
safety to lives of on-cifiibatnnts being
assured, provided that the liners do not
attempt to escape or to offer resist
News of the torpedoing of the lies-
perinn reached here only a few hours
after Arthur J. Balfour, first lojrd of
the admiralty, issued a statement in
which he declared Oormunv's subma
rine warfare had been a failure and
branded it as cowardly.
"While the losses inflicted upon Ger
man submarines have been formidable,
Kritisu mercantile tonnage is at this
moment greater than wheu the war be
gan," Balfour snid.
Germany o promise regarding future
submarino action was called "another
scrap of paper," in leading editorials
of the atternoou press.
" Destruction ot this latest 'scrap of
paper ," said the Pall Mall Gazette,
is more than cynicism itself.'
At tho same time, the Westminster
Gazette declared, "we noed waste no
words on this latest crime against hu
manity and international law." It is
'more pertinent," the paper said, to
recall Ambassador Bernstorff's prom
ise against future unwarned attacks,
and his claim that even before the
Arabic incident, Germany had ordered
her under-sea warriors not to torpedu
ACT OF SUBMAR
Word Comes From Berlin That Submarine Left Base Be
fore Later Orders Were Issued In Accordance With
Pledge To United States State Department Officials
Are Calmly Awaiting Complete Reports
GERMANY WILL DISAVOW ACT
Amsterdam, ftept. (1. Germany will disavow the torpedoing of the
liner Hesporiuu if the British reports of the attack on the vessel are
corroborated by the submarine co mmander involved, a Berlin dis
patch stated hero today.
Germuny's explanation will be that -tho submarine commander had
not boen warned against torpedoing liuors without warning because
his vessel had left its base before i he now instructions were issued.
By O. P. Stewart.
(United Press staff correspondent.)
Washington, Sopt. 6. Awaiting com
plete reports on the torpedoing of tho
liner Hesperian, President Wilson! and
Secretary Lansing suspended judgment
and action today.
Nono of the tension which followei'
tho sinking of the Arable was to be
obsorved in official circles. The grav
ity of the new situation ns bearing on
tho prospective Bettlomon't of the gen
eral submarine controversy was not dis
counted, but .the view gonerally taker
.was that it was in eonooivablo that Ger
many had repudiated hor formal guar
antee against attacking passenger car
rying liners without warning?
An oarly conference botween Mecro-
tnry Lansing and Ambassador Von
Bernstorff was arranged today.
S 4 8
aud dowdy; Tesrcati.
R. II. E
Pittsbure . 5 8 3
McKenry, Gearge and Wingoj Har
moil and Gibson.
R. H. E.
Philadelphia 3 5 2
Brooklyn 7 14 0
Rixey, Baumgiirtnor and Killifor;
I'feffer and Miller. Tincup replaced
R. II. E.
Chicago - 2 5 2
St. Louis 3 5 0
Pierce. Lavender and Archer; Sullce
and Snyder; 12 innings.
Officials hope and beliove that sr'
sequent details of the torpedoing of
the Hesperian will explain the atts: ,
satisfactorily. Consul Frost at Queens
town reported that the Hosporian car
ried 4.7 inch rifle on her Btern'. This
roport was regarded as likely to figure
prominently, and probably to Ger
The fact that no Amorican lives wero
loBt tempered the gravity of the now
situation, though it was agreed it did
not affect the principles Involved. Sec
ret my Lansing asked Ambassador Page
in London to cubic all details at the
curliest possible moment.
Tho indications today were that a
waiting policy would be adopted by the
administration, with confidence that an
other rupture with Borlin would be
Officers of Liner Make Posi
WANTS TO CONFER
New York 4
Caldwell ami ; una milker; Kuth and
St. Louis-Detroit game postponed ;
R. II. E.
Washington 5 11 3
Philadelphia 3 H 1
Ayres and Henry; Mieenan ami mc-Avoy.
R. H. K.
Cleveland 1 2
Chicago - J 12 O
Klepfer, t arter and u .mmii, &gan
Cicotte and Schnlk.
Second gsme R. H. h.
Washington 5 9 1
Philadelphia 0 4 2
Harper nod Williams; Nnbors and
McConnell, Prendergast and Wilson,
Wallet, Groom and Crandall, Hartley;
R. II. E.
Baltimore 2 5 2
Buffalo! 3 10 1
Suggs and Owens; hrnpp and Allen.
Bcdient replaced Krapp; 10 innings.
R. 11. E.
1 5 0
0 3 t
Land; Falkenberg and
Loiffin, Sept. 0. Officers of tho liner
lies(erlun, which sank off the coast
of Ireland early toduy, insist the ves
sel was torpedoed witnout warning.
Tho Allan line offices received a
preliminary report from Captuin Main
and his officers this afternoon within
a few hours after tiio Hesperian plung
ed to tho bottom while uttompting to
return to Oioenstown. The report wus
not niru'e public, but is understood to
liavn declared that not only was the
liner attacked without warning, but
that no attempt was made to escape
from the submarine.
. The Hesperian remained afloat al
most. :t(l hours after boinir attacked Sat
urday night. Tho attack was mudo at
8:31) n. m. Saturday and.it was not
until ti!45 a. in, toduy that the liner
finally succumbed to her wound from
tiie torpedo and sank. In the meantime
oiissouirers and members Of the crow
had been taken off.
Officers from the Hesperian arriv
ed in O,uccnstown this nrtornoon on
the lust of tho rescuo ships to put in
from the scene of tho disaster.
Sixteen members of tho Hesperian s
crew nro now said to bo iinuccounted
for. It was first reported that all of
tlm crew of 300 had been taken off
mif.dtf tnimthor with 338 passengers
All of the nusseni'ers huvo reached
Queenstown and the Allan lino offices
insist they havo no confirmation of
ri.ixirls that two women - died from
shock after having been taken aboard!
one of tho rescuing ships. Jl was re-1
iterated that all passengers had been
With the sinking of the Hesperian
it was pointed out this afternoon that
tho loss of the liner may now result In
doubt being raised as to whether she
was actually torpedoed or struck a
ml no. Allan line officials declared af
fidavits from passengers proved beyond
n dmibt that tho Hesperian was torpe
doed. Tim imssoiiKers wero practically
unanimous, however, in admitting that
owing to the gutherlng darkness they
failed to seo tho submarine. ,
Dumba's Request Regard
ed As Significant ! '
Carried No Onus.
Montreal. Sept. tl. Ilnubt wus ex
pressed lit Allan line oi l ices here toduy
Kansas City, Mo., Sept. 0 The Labor
day double header between Kansas City
and Pittsburg in Federal league was
postponed today .because of wet
Washington, Sept. fl. A naval board
was today ordered to investiguto the
collision of a supply boat with the sub
marines F-l. F-2 and F-3 in the Hono
lulu harbor, Admiral Bonch reported to as to the authenticity
the nuvy department. The supply bout Consul Frost that the
collided with the submarines wiuic MP
submarines were anchored at their
dock, All wero more or less damaged.
"FRIENDS OF PEACE" RESOLVE
UiicaiMi. Sent. fl.--Thn ' Friends of
Peace, In national convention here to
dav, adopted a resolution opposing the
sale of munitions to belligerent powers,
Washington, Sept. 6. Ambassudor
Constuntino Duinbn, Of Austria, toduy
wired Secretary of State Lansing ask- .
ing for a conference tomorrow. His ,
rcquost was granted. ;
' If these wero ordinary times, there .
would bo an excellent chance for the
state department to ask .Austria that
the ambassador be recalled, official.!
said confidentially today. V
Ambassador Dumba does not deny
that he planned calling out Austriaua
and Hungarians employed in American
steel and munition plants. From his
summer home at Lon'ox, Mass., the am
bassador admitted James K Archibald,
nil American correspondent arrested in
London, carried a dispatch to tho Aus
trian government outlining a plau to tie
up munition plants by calling a strike
of citizens of the dual monarchy em
ployed there. Despite this, howover,
the administration is admittedly so un
willing to tnko any action that would
give belligerents an impression of the
slightest unneutral American leaning
thut the state department is believed
to be sure to accept even a seml-officail
explanation from Dunma.
On tho actual merits of tho case, how
ever, authorities on questions of diplo
matic, usage today said Dumba's view
that he was within his rights would
almost certainly made him persona non
imitn in Washinuton. It is understood
that his activities furnished the basis
for the charge of President Gompers,
of tho American Federation of Lnbor,
that efforts wero being made to bring
about strikes in all munition plants.
Ambassador Von Bernstorff, of Ger
many, is not embarrassingly involved
by the disclosures following the arrest
of Archibald lu London. There wus r.'n
impropriety in Von Bernstorff trans
mitting by Archibald a copy of the am
bassador's explanation to Secretary
Lansing of the Now York World's ex
peso of the (lermnn propaganda plans.
AmbiiHsndor Duinbn 's plan to rrippl"
tho munition plants tti' this country and
thus curtail the supply of guns anil
ammunition to the allies was to call
out Aui.triiuiB ami Hungarians and
thentieily of the report of ! furnish them with other employment
liner Hesperian through nn agency to be backed oy tne
nch riflo ununited on her Austriiin government.
hud a 4.
utter deck when torpedoed by a Uurniun
submarino. Andrew II. Allan, head of
the steamship company, snid;
"I am pruetieuly certain no gun was
mounted on the Hesperian. Wo have
no guns on any of our ships except
thoB tuko over by tho government as
transports. When the Hesierian sail
ed Trom Monlreiil she certainly hud
no gun. biio was in port in r.ugiium
The resolution also provided that the
..-11 1.....I.I .........a ntf i.IlM.li.
ZeTU US for a week and we have no lunation
Boston Globe; T.w Brooklyn jmlg
who decided thut tho tomato is a fruit
and not a vegetable may think that ho
has setlb'd a vexed ipiestlon, but wait
until the case getd up to the United
States supreme court.
mounting a gun. A 4.7 rifle is pretty
big and the whole inside of the ship
would have to be braced before th
like gun could bo placed in pouitiou." ,
sentenced for game violation.
ty shiny ones."