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Valley Residents Crowd Room To Hear United Nations Debate
TUESDAY. MAY 14. 1963
Rogue River vallcv resi
dents, representing numerous
religious faiths and at least
two political party affiliations
crowded the Jackson House
t dining room Monday noon
for the debate on "The United
JMations - Right or Wrong,"
sponsored by the Jackson
county chapter, Oregon unit
ed Nations association.
' Dr, Urban Whitaker, asso
ciate professor ot internation
al relations, San Francisco
State college, spoke for con
tinuation of the United Na
tions, and Leslie Fleming, Eu-
' gene, coordinator for the
John Birch Society for the
area south of Eugene, opposed
the organization, describing it
as Communist dominated.
"To oppose the United Na
tions is to oppose something
very -American," Dr. Whitaker
told his audience after urg
ing the persons present to
think of the "United Nations
in the plural, not the singular
tense. As a they,- not an it.
A group of nations banded
together to talk and to act.
Whether they agree, or dis
agree, it is a gopd thing,"
Whitaker declared. . .
: "If the Russians are bad,
It is better to have them in
the United Nations where we
can know what their re
sources are and what they
are going to do with them.
All nations get the facts more
quickly and more efficiently
in the United Nations," he
said.
If the realities' are known,
war could many times be
averted, the speaker Indi
cated. "Maybe Hitler wouldn't
have attacked if he had known
we could and would arm to
defeat him," the professor ex
plained, stressing his point
that it is better to know who
"our friends are" by having
all inside the association.
Fleming, taking the oppo
site view, presented the Unit
ed Nations as something very
un-American, an organization
formed by a "bunch of spong
ers" with 90 per cent of the
money spent coming from the
United States.
"The Communists mean to
take over the world," Flem
ing opened his remarks, "This
is a true statement of fact by
the top Communists. They
spell it out in their writings.
In 1945 in Bombay the Com
munists issued their inten
tions to take over the United
Nations. To take it over
through revolutionary parlia
mentarianism. A close exami
nation of votes shows you
they are taking it over. From
1945 on, piece by piece, step
by step, they have been tak
ing over," he said.
Fleming advised his listen
ers to read "Not A Shot Was
Fired," which tells the story
of the conquering of Czecho
slovakia. - -
"To say the United Nations
charter is American is com
pletely false. It is strictly
for one-world government,
Fleming argued. "I agree we
need a forum but we can't
have one with Russia in it.
While we strive for peace,
they strive for conquest. If
you want democracy let the
people deal with people not
authorities with authorities.
Look at the United Nations
with your eyes clear, not
through the drool of humani-
tarianism."
Simply Not True
In reply, Dr. Whitaker stat
ed: "Many things Fleming has
said are simply not true.
Members of the John Birch
Society are addicted to dis
tortions. They are against
freedom of discussion. That
is why they make so many
mistakes. '
Reading from the John
Birch Blue Book by Robert
Welch, Dr. Whitaker pursued
his contention that the John
Birchers do not believe in
Democracy, but in "complete
authoritative control at all
levels.
In the Day's News
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degree temperature with every window of his car closed tight,
then collapsed of prostration when he got home. "Why didn't you
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weakly, "and let everybody knew we haven't got an air-conditioned
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From Salem:
Another effort to get a sales
tax bill referred to the people
was voted down 34-26 by the
House of Representatives of
the Oregon legislature - the
same vote that earlier had
indefinitely postponed a sales
tax bill.
While this effort met the
same fate as others before it,
the debate had the effect of
breaching the indefinite post
ponement wall, which re
quires a two-thirds majority
40 votes in the 60-member
House - to overcome.
The immediate effect, how
ever, is only to change the fo
cal point of the conflict from
the House to the House taxa
tion committee, where there
is a 6-3 majority AGAINST
a sales tax.
TT RATHER looks like Ore-
gon is dead set against a
sales tax, doesn't it?
rn IS it?
" Let's look at some figures.
The last time Oregon voted
on a general sales tax was in
1947. It went down to defeat
by a popular vote of 67,514
yes to 180,333 no. That was
a ratio of 2.7 to 1 In the
popular vote.
Last week the Oregon
House of Representatives vot
ed 34-26 against referral of a
sales tax to the Oregon elec
torate. That is a ratio of only
1.3 to 1.
Could it be that sentiment
against a sales tax in Oregon
is declining?
THESE words are written,
and will be read, in South
ern Oregon.
If any place, anywhere,
should oppose a sales tax, it
should be the towns and the
cities of Southern Oregon.
California has a sales tax.
Oregon has none. Lack of a
sales tax in Oregon brings a
very considerable volume of
trade, running into big fig
ures over the period of a year,
from over the border in California.
People love to escape a tax.
It Just could be that if Ore
gon should overcome its long
time prejudice against the
principle of a sales tax the
towns and the cities along the
Oregon-California border in
the south and along the Ore
gon-Washington border in the
north might lose quite a lot
of business.
So this isn t a plug for a
sales tax in Oregon. Down
here In the southern part of
the state, we need all the busi
ness we can get. That, pre
sumably, is equally true of
the towns and cities along the
Oregon-Washington border.
Idaho has no sales tax. Ne
vada has a sales tax, but the
Oregon-Idaho border is rather
thinly settled.
THE sales tax is VERY pop
ular - if it can be said
that any tax is popular. Ac
cording to the best informa
tion available as this is writ
ten, 39 of our 50 states have
some form of sales tax.
Why this popularity?
The answer is rather sim
ple.
THE sales tax is ALWAYS
PAID UP. There is no anx
ious scratching of the bottom
of the barrel when comes the
grim hour when you must dig
up your share of the cost of
government.
That, presumably, explains
why 39 of our 50 states have
sales taxes. There is an an
cient tax principle that goes
something like this: "That tax
is best which sets the most
feathers from the goose with
the least amount of squawk
ing."
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"The Society must not be
weakened by raging debate,"
he read from the book,
"We believe on the con
trary that the Democratic
process is the greatest weap
on," Dr. Whitaker added, then
proceeded to answer Flem
ing's statement that Alger Hiss
had written the United . Na
tions charter and that the
United Nations was domi
nated by the Communists.
"The charter was written
by five persons appointed by
President Roosevelt. There
are 1,311 persons employed
by the United Nations. 355
of them are from the United
States and 44 from the USSR,
or 3 per cent. I go to the
United Nations regularly sev
eral times a year so I know
what I am talking about,"
Whitaker summarized his an
swer. Fleming then contended
that Welch recommends the
reading of 300 books and list
ed as Communistic a group
of countries and leaders, in
cluding Dr. Ralph Bunch.
As he listed the countries,
he hesitated and Whitaker
completed the list' for him
with "Cuba", apparently fa
miliar with Fleming's debate
material. Other countries list
ed by Fleming were Brazil,
Venezuela, British Guiana and
the Dominican Republic.
Dr. Whitaker refused to lot
the insinuation against Dr.
Bunch pass and demanded to
know where Fleming got his
impression that "Dr. Bunch
was pro-Communist."
"From the number of Com
munist fronts he has joined,"
Fleming replied and proceed
ed to class socialists along
with Communists.
"If the Communists do in
tend to take over the United
Nations," Dr. Whitaker main
tained, "that is all the more
reason we should stay in
there, why we should not get
out. We have never lost a
major vole. We have success
fully defeated the Russians
on every major issue. I be
lieve in our Democracy, in
our system and I think we
should stay in there and keep
fighting."
Answering Fleming's criti
cism of the United States gov
ernment for trusting ex-communists,
Whitaker asked if
the John Birch Society didn't
have ex-communists in high
places.
Fleming answered "We do
have ex-communists. But we
know they arc good because
they tell us all they know.
They do not use the fifth
amendment."
Fleming then charged that
Cuba was lost during the
Eisenhower administration be
cause of state department ac
tion. "I call it treason," he de
clared. "I'm calling it treason
to our country.",
Asked if he meant to charge
Dulles and Eisenhower with
treason, Fleming hesitated,
then answered that he meant
the people they had appoint
ed to sit in high places.
As the discussion in the
question and answer period
continued to stray farther and
farther from the stated sub
ject, Omar Bacon, librarian,
rose to the point of order by
asking what the speakers pro
posed as a substitute for the
United Nations.
Dr. Whitaxcr said he did
not propose a substitute be
cause he wanted to see the
United Nations continue.
Fleming said he would like
to see it replaced by a "group
of people who believe in the
rights of individuals not gov
ernments." In conclusion, Whitaker de
clared: "If you like our sys
tem, you should like to argue
against the communists. I be
lieve in it. Let's advertise it."
The speakers were intro
duced by Roy Ncal, president
of the Jackson County chap
ter of the Oregon United Na
tions association.
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