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Seattle, Denver, NATIONAL E0ITOIIAI fhc6T,3l In Flight o' Time Medford and Jackson County History from the files of The Mail Tribune 10, 20, 30, 40 and 50 years ago. 10 YEARS AGO March 8, 1953 (Sunday) Medford High school's bas ketball team gains place in Oregon Class A basketball tournment by downing Crater High school 67 to 43. Phoenix city council post pones purchase of police radio setup. 20 YEARS AGO March 8, 1943 (Monday) Medford bakers resume slicing bread as official order on the ban -lifting comes through. tr-nm Arthur Perry s "Ye Smudge Pot" column: "Cof .iiaiitniea are now the .... Manv hold some of the substitutes are not even sub stitutes. 30 YEARS AGO M.rrh g. 1933 (Wednesday) Headline states "Evidence chain in ballot theft held com plete. Police forging ironciea tinir. in Hontriiction of votes. More arrests to follow Is word of authorities." . Mail Tribune editorial praises Medford merchants in adoption of a scrip program. 40 YEARS AGO March 8, 1923 (Thursday) Two Portland drummers fined $5 each for turning around in the middle of Main st. block. Window full of newborn chicks In downtown store at tracts wide attention. 50 YEARS AGO March 8, 1813 (Saturday) Rush of taxpayers causes increase In force in sheriff's rtffirr- Police round up a group of youngsters who have "been Tilnvlni! hookey from school and raising ncd nights West Jackson st." What's Your I.Q.? Nina at tan correct ll superior; tevan or eight Is acIUnti (le ei sis it good. 1. Where, in Africa, is Table Mountain? 2. American cheese orlgl- natcd in America; where did India ink originate? 3. To what Canadian city with the Initial "M" would you go to sec Mount Royal? 4. The Spanish called the river Colorado to Indicate that it was what color? 8. Is a car going 46 miles rier hour going slower or fast cr than a ship making 46 knots? 6. Does a thaumaturglsi play a musical Instrument dance or do magic? 7. One lyric writer lost his "true lover by a-courllng too slow"; where? 8. Until a few years ago we believed there were 92 elements; we have now post' tively identified how many? 9. Arrange four 9 s so that they equal 100. 10. In what sport a r frames and lines the division of play? Answers: 1. Capetown China. 3. Montreal. 4. Red S. Slower. 8. Magic, 7, "On top of Old Smoky." 8. Mor than 100. 9. 99 99. 10. Bow ing. Washington-Wfr-The House has scheduled a vote Tuesday on a proposal to make Si Winston Churchill an honor ary citizen of the Unite States. House leaders predict ed unanimous approval for the measure sponsored by Rep. Francis E. Walter (D- roiiisHUi VjjJJ-AMOCIATION Pa.). FRIDAY, MARCH 1. 1963 Signs, Tactics The State of Hawaii bans billboards, period. As a result their highways and scenic areas are unsnoiled bv parish commercialism. - Despite this, we are convinced there is a place for billboards in our society and our economy. They serve a useful function in informing travel ers when they are coming to gas-food-lodging accommodations, and sometimes other attrac tions. We would like to see billboards so regulated that only those which perform a definite service to the traveler are allowed, thus eliminating beer, bread and brand-name advertising from the pub- lie tax suDSiay, in me 101m ui niguway uiopiaj space and a "captive audience," which they re ceive from the traveling public. Thev also should be confined to appropriate locations where they cause ter. WE DO NOT believe this attitude is unreason able, although sign company representatives, for very obvious reasons, would disagree. Still, we are convinced that the sign compa nies are going to simply put themselves out of business unless they take a less intransigent atti tude toward the public's demand for uncluttered highways. The tide is running against them, and they'd better recognize the fact. For instance, a columnist in the Seattle Argus expressed an increasing in part: "It is amazing that the billboard interests In the state have the gall to try for a modification of the legislation of 1961, which was a mild attempt to limit the use of billboards on our major roads , . . "Instead of modification of present restrictions, an effort should be made to eliminate billboards entirely. We are going to make a major effort to attract tourists to the state, and this will cost millions of dollars dur ing the next 10 years. If, instead, we planned the complete elimination of all billboards from our roads during that same period, we would make our state a tourist paradise ... "Viewed objectively, the billboard firms are really parasites, who live off the money taxpayers spend building roads, which they then proceed to clutter with billboards . . . They are impossible to avoid, unlike advertisements in newspapers and magazines, or those on radio or television. They can easily be legislated out of existence, and one can only wonder why this has not already been accomplished. Once this blight in eradicated, what a magnificent vista would greet our weary eyes!" OUR VIEW of billboards is not quite not OTTTTP1. cc pvirpmp as this. As noted, we believe some of them serve a certain function, if carefully controlled and tsut mere are me lacucs 01 me uiuuuaru com panies, with certain exceptions, which really are lri-itatinr. They have the effrontery to claim that these huge, distracting monsters actually maKe nign wav drivinc safer. Well, read this item from the March 11 issue of the U.S. News and World Report: "Albany, N.Y. - A survey on the New York State Thruwav showed this: "Accidents in which state police listed the probable cause as 'driver Inattention' were THREE TIMES as numerous per mile In areas with billboards alongside the road than as in sections without advertising signs." Let the Medford planning commission, the city council, and the joint take careiui note, a auu per cent increase m u ai fie accident potentiality is something we can hardly afford on our elevated ireeway. &.A. Trading A laree brown paper wall in the utilitv room at by day, are dumped the tne trading stamps given and other purchases. The glove compartment or the car usually is cluttered with the little squares of colored paper, oftentimes stuck together separate. Once every so often, the glove compartment is cleaned out and the stamps dropped into the brown paper sack. And, every few months, a great pasting bee is put on, to paste the elusive little things into books for redemption. WE DON'T like the stamps. They are a bother and a nuisance. We'd just as soon have lower prices as the trading stamps. But, since the Family Secretary of Health, Education and Welfare is an eminently practical and realistic individual, and since they are of fered, why not accept them, and take advantage of the premiums they can provide? That, we suspect, is pretty close to the phi losophy of a lot of individuals. They're a bother, but they're there, so . . . X7ITH this unenthusiastic but practical atti- tude, one might be expected to support legis lation now under consideration in tne Oregon legislature which would, in effect, outlaw pre mium trading stamps. We do not, however, support this bill. We think it is a discriminatory measure, and just one more restriction of fair competition, and freedom to do business in the way one wishes. Trading stamps, as such, harm no one. No merchant is forced to cive them away; no con sumer is forced to accept or save them. We never have, and never will, trade at one store in preference to another because of the stamps. We question their value as a trade stimu lant. We don't like them. But to outlaw them, in effect, by the police and licensing power of the state is bad legisla tion. The bill should be killed. E.A. and Safety the least possible clut sentiment when he said, regulated. committee therefrom, Stamps sack hangs against the our house. Into it, day odd bits and pieces of out wim tne groceries so they are oiuicuit to MEDFORD "You Stay Out ... Communications ... Letters to th Editor must beir th nam and address of th writtr, although under certain circumstances th us of a pen nam or initial for publication is permissible. Th Mail Tribune reserves th right to edit all letters with a view to clarification and condensation. Letters submitted for publication must not exceed 400 words. Th letters printed in this column do not contrary is often th case. Signs ef Glory To the Editor: City Coun cil and Sign Companies, why all this squabble over a few signs here and there? I think I have a solution to your problem, then every one will be happy. Councilmen, it seems the signs are marring your view of this beautiful city of Med ford while you re traveling on the Freeway. Now iei s look at the city as a whole, and forget about the signs. Do you actually like what you see from up there? Kinda looks like some larger citys dump don't you think? So, why not let the sign company contract to paint those roofs with advertise ments say, a motel could have on top, "This is where Rip Van Winkle slept so com fortably he just couldn i wane up." Draw a little character snoozing away. A restaurant could say on the roof, "Are you trying to lose weight? Here's the place to find it." With a character licking his chops. Now, that cow could never have jumped over the moon if some hamburger stand had landed it with a dish and spoon, and left the poor little dog crying on his roof top. You drug stores could even have that lady on T.V. who's in love with her soap. Or hubby could be running competition with Charlie, try ing to get his girl by not using "greasy kid stuff." Also father always uses shaving cream that has tiie sexy little Jeanie pop out so he can flirt with her. And there's mom docs she or doesn't she? "She do," as her wrinkles all disappear along with the coloring of her hair. Pop loves her again. Feed stores, put the little ducks and the dog eating chow on your roof. Where's the dog? I don't see any dog. Aron t they cute? Dig up all kinds of Fairy Tale characters, find the one to suit your need to be ar tistic, drawn on your roof top. Bet one thing, it could make the tourist stop. Mrs. Irma Henderson 729 Dakota ave. Medford. Kudos from Afar To the Editor; Congratula tions on your new "find" the columnist with the horn-cd-rlm specs, J.W.S., whoever he is. His puckish humor sort of reminds me of Medford's erstwhile celebrated key-collector, what's his name? same initials. Could this be the same tricky fellow? How much Is the Optometrists As sociation paying him for the free publicity? Gene W. Rossman 2338 SW Osage Portland. Ore. V.A. Blind Spot To the Editor; There is one very grave omission in the controversial correspondence relative to the establishment of surgical facilities at this V.A. Domiciliary. The zealous one-man crusade of our David Frisch has provoked opinions from many Including our Sen ators, Con gressmcn, service organization officers and even from Dr. Middlcton, leading medico of the Veterans Ad ministration. Yet. where in all this well-meaning confusion is the authoritative com m c n t from our director. C. T. Jack son or from our chief medical officer, Dr. E. G. Everett! No one has heard of or from them! Thoroughly con v e r s a n t with the surgical needs of the some thousands of veterans resident in this area of Ore gon and Northern California these two men arc the natural and most authoritative news source we have. Either -Man- MAIL TRIBUNE. MEDFORD, Of Thu!" necessarily represent th aging Editor Eric Allen is amiss in not having shot a re porter out to interview these major figures in this militant contention or our administra- ciatt le caHlv nt fault, in not fully enlightening the eran-public with the true status of the debate and the actual findings of all - if any research completed on the problem. This data surely is not "classified." All this is become news and we now urge the M-T to prop erly cover it! The Kennedy cooling process lor report ers does not extend into V.A. affairs so there's naught for E.A. to be afraid of - imagine! And, as for our Director Jack son and Doctor Everett, excel lent as they are in their par ticular administrative fields -they surely have much to learn concerning public rela tions. They evidently believe it applies to the brothers and sisters of JFK. William Thomas Cuddy V.A. Domiciliary White City, Ore. Papers Defended To the Editor: Mr. Walter Lippmann accuses our news papers - the Arizona Republic and the Phoenix Gazette of Phoenix, Ariz. - of support ing an American "War Whoop" party. According to Mr. Lippmann, the War Whoopers want "the fruits of a successful war without having to fight a war," and they advocate all sorts of "carefree and irresponsible" adventures against Cuba, in cluding an American invasion and occupation. Mr. Lipp mann says he bases his con clusions on reading our papers and especially our editorials for one week. I wonder if Mr. Lippmann has read any of our editorials carefully? He has certainly completely misunderstood our editorial policy. As publisher of the Arizona Republic and the Phoenix Gazette, I would like to ex plain our true editorial posi tions. 1. We do not advocate an invasion or an occupation of Cuba. What we do advocate - and have done so for many months - is a forceful Ameri can policy aimed at Castro's isolation and eventual over throw. We think that an American partial blockade or quarantine can be one of the effective instruments of such a policy, especially as it has the support of the Latin- American states. We also be lieve that the anti-Castro re sistance movement should re ceive more active United States backing. This last point, Incidentally, was strongly recommended in a very sensible and constructive editorial published Sept. 29, 19H2, in the Washington Post (now Mr. Llppmann's home newspaper). 2. We don't believe - as Mr. Lippmann thinks we do - that the Russians "will not go to war no matter what we do to them." The Russians will certainly go to war to defend themselves from at tack. But we do not believe that the Russians would go to war to defend Castro. We believe that Soviet Premier Khrushchev is a very shrewd politician - the shrewdest the Communists have had in Mos cow for a long time. Besot as he is with very serious Internal troubles, Mr. Khru shchev would not, in our opin ion, do anything reckless in order to challenge an Ameri can naval blockade on Cuba. Still less is he likely to risk a nuclear war in order to save Castro from an American-supported anti-Castro up rising. May I say that we are not trying to be "wise after the event." The day President Kennedy proclaimed the American quarantine, last Oc tober, we wrote that the Htis- OREGON Kashmir Issue Settlement Threatened By New Complication Involving By PHIL NEWSOM UPI Foreign News Analyst A new issue has come up to complicate an old quarrel be tween India and Pakistan. The issue deals with Kashmir and Pakistan's ac tion in sign in g a bor der agree ment with Red China for a section of Kashmir bor- - der which al so is under dispute with India. Unfortunately, the action comes just at the time when the Indians and the Pakis tanis are preparing to resume in Calcutta their own Kash mir negotiations. Heretofore, it had been felt those negotiations were going surprisingly well and that there might be reached a solu tion to a problem which had poisoned relations between the two neighbors almost views of th piper; in fact th sians woulc accept It and would not initiate any mili tary counter-measures.' We maintained that attitude throughout the whole Cuban crisis, while a lot of "liberal vet-pommentators, including Mr. Lippmann, expected the Rus sians to "challenge" the American Navy or to start a nuclear war. For us, the chances of nuclear war last October were minimal. They were, in fact, non-existent, and we said so. I dare say we proved to be right which is, perhaps, one of the reasons Mr. Lipp mann doesn t like us. Eugene C. Pulliam, Publisher, Arizona Republic and Phoenix Gazette, Phoenix, Ariz. Job Insecurity To the Editor: The current rash of railway labor dis putes over job Insecurity and work rules presents a revolt ing spectacle of cannibalism inflicted on an ailing indus try. Political opportunists sold labor the unrestricted power to destroy itself and its jobs. The same political oppor tunists: 1. Lure away railroad pas. sengers with bargain air fares paid half out of subsidies. 2. Entice railroad freight traffic onto the black carpet of tax provided super-high ways. 3. Pour huge pork barrels of tax money Into canals of doubtful value and protect the blessed barge operators with umbrella rates against effective railroad competi tion. It seems a tragic waste of effort for the Brotherhoods to furiously pump dust from dry wells of railroad revenue. In cooperation with rail manage ment they could successfully puncture the monstrous politi cal featherbed of non-rail transport and thereby restore jobs gone beyond the reach of legislation or negotiation, K. Fritz Schumacher, (Former Santa Fe "Rail") 81 West Grand View ave, Sierra Madre, Calif. In the Day's News 8y FRANK JENKINS This modern world note. A San Francisco man got himself a credit card from the telephone company and ran up a $10,000 debt on it. HMMMMMMMM. He's a piker. The New Deal-Fair Deal New Frontier got itself a cred it card from the American people and has run up a 300 BILLION DOLLAR debt on it. VROM Washington: Monday was President Kennedy's night to get patted on the head-figuratively, of course-like a small boy. The occasion was the Labor Department's 50th birthday party. And Kennedy, the 45 y car-old featured speaker, was repeatedly made to seem a mere stripling. IfRANCES PERKINS, secre tary of labor in the admin istration of Franklin D. Roos evelt, recalled doing business 50 years ago with the depart ment's first secretary. William Wilson. Turning to Kennedy, Miss Perkins-now Hearing her 81st birthday-patted the Pres ident on the shoulder and added: "That was before you were born, sir." W. Willard Wirtz. present secretary, made a similar statement. He reported that at the time of the department s founding the President's fath er, Joseph P. Kennedy, was a Massachusetts bank examiner -and childless. VICE- PRESIDENT Lyndon B. Johnson recalled th.t from the first day each achieved independence. The question has been asked just why Pakistan chose to act as it did at this particular time. The Pakistan response has been that the negotiations with Red China were pro posed in March 1961, long be fore anyone could foresee the crisis in Indian-Chinese rela tions, and was entirely unre lated to that conflict. The explanation has not ap peased the Indians who have accused the Pakistanis both of endangering their own ne gotiations and of conducting give-away program for the Red Chinese. The Pakistan agreement covers a 300-mile stretch of border beginning where the borders of China, Afghanistan Washington Report By William (c) United Feeture Syndicate G.O.P. IN THE SOUTH Austin, Tex. - Presi dent Kennedy is in serious trouble in the South, but there is neverthel ess n o assurance whatso ever that the Re publicans thems elves will profit much from that c i rcum stance in next y e a r's presl- whit dential elec tions. Indeed, this region - of which giant Texas is kingpin in electoral power much as New York state is in the East is with fine impartiality raising the most sticky prob lems for both parties against the approach of the 1964 cam paign year. Sentiments of rebel lion against the Kennedy adminis tration have undoub t e d 1 y been steadily rising in recent months. At the same time, however, practical Republican prospects for usefully exploit ing this situation must be de scribed as very iffy. Demo cratic politicians of demon strated realism and loyalty to the national party are thus not nearly so alarmed as ordl- narily they would be at the Kennedy slide in popularity, FOR they reason that the G.O.P. will not in any event be able to break heavily into the erstwhile Solid South in 1964 except in the unlikely event that the Republican na tional convention next sum mer should give the presi dential nomination to Senator Barry Goldwater of Arizona. This area, so far as its emerging Republican party is concerned, is strictly Gold water country. Rank-and-file and "big" Republicans alike are attached to him with the deepest fervor shown in that party since the late Robert A. Taft of Ohio held the un questioning loyalty in the Middle West of the G.O.P. 23 years ago, as a congress man, he had heeded an appeal from Miss Perkins to sign a petition advancing legislation to establish a minimum wage of 25 cents an hour. With a bow to Kennedy, Johnson reminded his audi ence that all this happened "even before the President COULD VOTE." T.fOST of us have a vague A" Idea that there was time in the world when the oldest and the wisest member was chosen by the tribe as its chicf-on the theory that EX PERIENCE was necessary if the tribe was to be governed wisely. 2,000 years ago There was Alexander. He was only 22 when he crossed the Hellespont (the ancient name for what we now call the Dardanelles) and started out to conquer the world. He was only 25 when at the bat tle of Arbela he overthrew Darius the Persian and took over the Persian Empire that had so long threatened Greece. He was only 29 when he reached the rich plains of India and completed the con quest of the then known world - and is said to have sighed because there were NO MORE worlds to conquer. HPHEN there was Napoleon A He entered military school at the age of 10. He re ceived his firt commission in the French army at the age of 16. At the siege of Toulon where his real military career started, he was 24. He was 26 when his "whiff of grapeshot' cleared the streets of Paris of what he called the "canaille And He was only 46 at Waterloo I ET'S add as a historical aft- erthought Both Alexander and Napol eon left their countries swamped in debt. S il and Pakistan meet, across the top of some of the worlds highest mountains and end ing at a point near an Indian outpost in the Ladakh area which India and Communist China are disputing. Pakistan remains a close ally of the United States and long has been regarded as the Western anchor of the free world's defense line which runs along the Asian perime ter all the way to Korea. But the Pakistanis equally have not been reticent in ex pressing their resentment against recent U.S. military aid to India which they con tend might someday be turn ed against themselves. Despite these and other re sentments, there remains hope that the Kashmir dispute still can be solved. S. Whit regulars of his era. Men whose political judg ment and candor this column ist has long had reason to respect are firm in the con viction that the more likely Republican presidential choice. Gov. Nelson Rockefel ler of New York, would not be able to do even as well against Mr. Kennedy in the South as Richard Nixon did in 1960. Nixon won two of the 11 states of the Old South, Flor ida and Virginia, along with the border states of Tennessee and Kentucky. Alabama and Mississippi cast their electoral votes for Senator Harry F, Byrd of Virginia. rpHE Republican convention a- decision tn denv thp nomi. nation to Senator Goldwater would cause the hitherto booming G.O.P. movement in the South to go home in anger and disgust to sit it out on election day. There is also the fact that if President Ken nedy's civil rights views are thought in much of this sec tion to be extreme, those of Governor Rockefeller are in fact so much more advanced as to make the President look, relatively, almost conserva tive on the issue. In this region, therefore, Democrats loyal to the nation al party would be happy to see the nomination go to Rockefeller. For they be lieve that in the South he would be weakest of all the current Republican possibili ties simply as the one Repub lican whose philosophy is thought least to resemble that of Goldwater. (This does not mean, of course, that Rocke feller's probable pulling pow er outside the South is dis counted). As to President Kennedy's weakness in this area, these are seen in about this order: 1. Cuba. 2. "Too many Ken nedys." 3. An impression that the President is "anti busi ness." SOME presumably more so ohlsticatd eastern Demo cratic politicians have been willing to tarry with the no tion that the President's brother. Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy, himself has presidential ambitions for 1968. But the politicos down this way don t buy such an idea for an instant, nor did they even before the Attorney General s recent public dis avowal of any such ambition, They think it is the Presi dent's opposition - not Robert Kennedy's - which is foster ing such speculation simply to increase the volume of existing sentiment about "too many Kennedys. They there fore are far from pleased to see their Democratic brethren in other areas give house room to a rumor which they believe is not only absurd but also dangerous to the Demo cratic party generally. "This must be wher conferences Ji tsmswri rasa Chinese Pakistan has dropped its demands for a plebiscite and is willing to explore alter natives. India 's willing to reopen a dispu'e she officially had considered closed. Militarily, India has found she can be cut off from her northeast areas unless she ib tains a corridor from Paki stan. Pakistan needs similar access across India to link; east and west Pakistan. Strictly Personal By Sydney J. Harris (c Field Enterprises. Inc. I don't understand the) great differences in musical performance, said the wom an across tha dinner table. "After all, the notes are plainly writ ten out - why doesn't every capable per former play them that w a y?" Many people under stand, in just the same way, the nature of the performing art. The music is a great deal more than the notes; and even the composer's precise instruc tions leave a wide area for interpretation. Schnabel used to say that it wasn't the notes that were most important - it was tha silences between the notes that set off the great pianists from the merely able ones. He himself was more faulty in technique than many second-rate pianists; but he un derstood the heart of the mu sic better than all. When Eugene Ysaya first played the Caesar Franck sonata which was written for and dedicated to him. the composer was in the audience. A friend turned to Franck, saying, "This is magnificent, but he doesn't respect th tempo markings which you have Indicated." Franck nodded. "I know," he said, "but it's he who is right." This is th chief differ ence, of course, between a science and an art. If mu sical notation were a sci ence, it would be played th same by everybody, just as a thousand mathematici ans working on th same aquation would com out with exactly th same an swer. Even medicine, which w like to think of as a sci ence today, is as much an art, if not mora so. Two doctors with tha same train ing, th same technical skill, and having read th seme textbooks, will treat a patient with different de grees of success - for it is th art they individually possess, not th science they shire in common, that it th decisive factor in rare, elusive, or complex ail ments. A musical composition that is just put down on paper, and is as yet unplayed, has only a potential existence. As Paul Valery said, "It is a check drawn on the talent of its ultimate performer." Scores and simply conven tional signs, abstractions that do not exist until they are vivified by the player who may see further than the com poser. Sometimes the composition must wait for its "ultimate performer." Two of today's most popular concerto favor ites - Tschaikovsky's first piano concerto and his violin concerto - were declared "un playable" by their original dedicatees, who refused to premiere them. They saw only the notes; it was not until years later that per formers came along who saw the music, silences and all. they held disarmament ancienl timesl" pr ll iih m i
