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Candidates' Talks
(Editor's note: The fol
lowing, story it reprinted
from the Coos Bay World,
and describes a debate be
tween Congressman Charles
O, Porter, Democrat seek
ing reelection, and William
Tugman, representing Dr.
. Edwin Durno of Medford,
Porter's opponent, It is re
printed here because it
represents an exhaustive re
porting job on a debate
affecting both candidates -a
situation which has not
yet materialized in this
area, although Porter and
Durno are scheduled to ap
pear tonight in the Jackson
ville community hall to dis
cuss mining, and will de
bate each other at the
League of Women Voters'
Candidates' Fair Oct. 20.
Tugman, former editor of
. the Eugene Register-Guard
and former editor and pub
lisher of the Port Umpqua
Courier on Oct. 10 will
join the paid staff of Dr.
Durno's campaign commit:
tee as public relations man
ager.) By FOREST AMSDEN
Executive Editor, The World
What had beert designed as
a debate on federal aid to edu
cation between Congressman
Charles O. Porter (D-Orc.) and
his Republican opponent for
Congress, Dr. Edwin Durno of
Medford, turned out instead
to be a general issi.e debate
between Porter and Durno's
publicity man - retired news
paper publisher William Tug
man - last night before the
Coos Bay Education Assn.
The discussion, at times
spirited and tinged with sar
casm, ranged from federal aid
to education to the state of
the South Jetty on the Umri
qua bar, near Reedsport. Tug
man Is from Gardiner.
Federal aid did get the
lion's share of Porter's com
ment in his opening state
ment. He said federal aid to edu
cation is important to the de
fense of the nation and to the
general welfare - because edu
cation is itself important in
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in trouble."
Shortages Seen
The congressman cited Na
tional Education Assn. statis
tics accepted by Tugman -that
there are now 35.5 mil
lion children in elementary
grades and 58.5 million ex
pected in 1B70; 8.9 million
youths in high school and 13.9
million anticipated in 1970;
3.8 million men and women in
college and 7.6 million ex
pected In 10 years.
"In face of these needs,"
Porter said, "we are 132,000
teachers short now by accept
able standards and we will be
1.5 million short in 1970. And
right now we need 130,000 ad
ditional classrooms. Ten mil
lion students are affected by
these shortages nationally -20,000
of them in Oregon.;1
. "We do not have a total
committment t o education,"
the congressman said. "I think
we should have. Educators
who have gone to Russia re
turn to say they feel the So
viet Union is totally commit
ted to education."
An important reason for
federal aid, - he said, is that
"the dollars we use for edu
cation now are almost wholly
taken from property taxes -which
do not generally re
flect the increase in incomes
and standards of living. Right
now, you all know, voters are
beginning to resist bond is
sues and outside -limitation
budgets."
Parties Agree
He said both political- par
ties agree that federal aid is
necessary - "although my op
ponent disagrees even with
his party here: he's against
federal aid" - with Republi
cans saying federal aid should
be for school construction
only, and Democrats saying
the money should be channel
ed through the states, with
each state deciding whether
its grants should be for school
construction, teachers' salar
ies, or both.
"I'd accept the Republican
proposal - of aid for construc
tion only - if that's the best
we can get," Porter said. "But
unfortunately we couldn t get
even that through the Rules
Committee of the House in
the last session' with all Re
publicans members voting
against it."
He said the federal govern
ment had aided education for
many years, that it is "nothing
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leges and other legislation
down to federal aid to impact
ed school districts at present.
He asserted the administra
tion costs of federal aid would
be no greater than 2 per cent.
Tugman disagreed with this
cost estimate. He thought it
would be higher. . . .
"The big boogey man In
this argument," Congressman
Porter said, "is the claim that
federal aid means federal con
trol of schools.
"This simply is not so. It
hasn't been so In many other
fields of aid and all federal
education aid legislation spe
cifically carries pro visions
against it," he said.
But Porter said federal aid
"is only one of the important
issues which , should be dis
cussed by my opponent and
me. It is part of our compe-.
tition for your vote in No
vember. I find it difficult to
'find' my opponent on these
issues. I think we should talk
about these things face-to-face:
medical aid for the aged,
liberalized home financing,
aid - to - education the Sand
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Tugman, who began by say
ing he still favors the Dunes
Seashore proposal although
his candidate, Durno, is op
posed to it, said the trouble
with federal aid to education
is "federal control."
"You will rue the day,"
Tugman said, "that you turn
your school over to the
bureaucrats. They will get you
so bogged down in red tape
you wont know where you
are." He reminisced about a
trip he made to Washington,
D.C., during PWA days, say
ing he fpund inefficiency and
disregard for the peoples'
right to. make up their own
minds.' ' -
Durno 'Liberal1
'.He said his candidate, Ed
win Durno, "is a Republican
but he s a liberal. He has an
open mind. That Is true lib
eralism, not the narrow cult
of social issues.1
Tugman said although Dur
no opposes federal aid to edu
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cation, he appreciates the
problems of education.
"He believes in home rule,
although in the Legislature he
supports state aid up to about
50 per cent of the basic sup
port fund. It was Durno who
made the motion which broke
the deadlock to get a 9 per
cent increase in college teach
ers' pay in the Legislature,.
He helped pass the commun
ity college law. As a member
of the Fiscal Committee he
helped work out the report
on better usage - of college
classrooms and labs in Ore
gon. He was instrumental in
getting an appropriation for
Portland's educational TV sta
tion. "You cannot truthfully
say," Tugman said, "that a
man who had a part In these
a c c o m plishmenU is against
education. . He knows your
problems . and he wants to
conquer them. But he wants
to do if efficiently."
Porter 'Irresponsible'
Tugman said all issues cen
ter on foreign policy. "Here
the performance of Charles O.
Porter has been utterly ir
responsible. In the area of
domestic policy, such as our
ports and forests, he has been
to say the least, ineffectual.
"In the area of foreign pol
icy," he said, "Dr. Durno
wants to aid the President -whoever
he may be - and not
trespass upon the constitution
al grounds of the executive.
D o m e s t i cally, Dr. Durno
stands for no rash promises .
He said Durno is "for medi
cal care. But he does not
want to make it death bed
care for the aged. His pro
gram is broader than the
Forand Bill. He sees the prob
lem as a broad one. He wants
to call upon the states and
local governments , to keep
the elderly usefully employed
so they won't worry them
selves into their death beds,"
Tugman said.
Porter replied to this point
by saying the Republican
plan, which his opponent en
dorses, would provide aged
medical care as a charity, in
volving taking a pauper's
oath, and would be paid for
out of tax funds, whereas the
Democratic plan would be
self - financing under social
security.
Tugman said a basic issue
of the campaign is "How
come Porter wants .to coddle
Mao?"
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He said dealing with dic
tators began under the Roose
velt and Truman regimes and
was continued by the Eisen
hower Administration.
"You have to deal with
Franco and other unsavory
characters," Tugman said,
"because there was no one
else to deal with."
In reply, Porter said "How
do you regain moral leader
ship by coddling Batista, Fran
co, and Chiang? No, I agree
with ex-Gov. Munoz-Marin of
Puerto Rico: a formal hand
shake for dictators and a
warm embrance for demo
crats. "I believe in the elementary
wrong of governments based
on force and fraud, as in China
and elsewhere, but we've got
to deal with them all.
"A congressman has a right
and duty to criticize the ad
ministration and I shall con
tinue to do it," he said.'
Lodge and Franco '
"What did the buddy-buddy
attitude toward Franco of our
ambassador to Spain- the
brother of Cabot Lodge - do
to us in the eyes of millions
of Frenchmen and ' Italians
who regard him as a despot?
Sure we " ha ve to deal,-with
Franco, but we don't have to
appear to like him or other
dictators and think they are
our great friends,' Porter
said. "We don't have to praise
Chiang's government in For
mosa as 'a thriving democ
racy,' as President Eisenhow
er did." . . . '
In answer to a question of
whether he favored "recogni
tion" of Red China, Porter
said, "I say we need in
creased communication with
Red China because it is the
most dangerous nation in the
world with no oil and land,
and it is about to explode,
and we may, through negoti
ations, be able to make ad
justments. Maybe we won't,
but maybe we will. Second,
we need effective disarma
ment and we can't have it
without Chinese disarmament
and inspection stations in
China; and we can't get those
without Chinese participation
in negotiations."
Tugman maintained Porter
was ineffective in getting re
pair funds for the Umpqua
South Jetty. He said Portec
did not succeed in getting
funds for the project in the
House (the item was not in
the President's budget), and
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Poor family background,
itinerant employment, and
working mothers all contrib
ute to the problems ot chil
dren today, according to Sis
ter Germaine, Superior of
Villa St. Rose in Portland.
Sister Germaine said that
recently the agency,' which
participates in the funds
raised by the United Med
ford Crusade, received a 15-year-old
girl whose family
lived through seasonal em
ployment and who were al
coholics. The girl had been
before juvenile authorities for
when the Senate put $180,000
in for construction, the sum
was cut back to $30,000 in
conference, committee.
, Porter questioned Tugman's
understanding of the "legisla
tive process," a point heated
ly denied by Tugman. "I
knew about the legislative
process before you were
born," he explained.
The congressman said the
Umpqua project absorbed his
total effort to get funds out
side the President's budget
last year. "In conference with
Army Engineers, I decided to
try to get $30,000 for ad
vanced planning and that is
exactly what we got - be
cause I managed to talk
House members of the confer
ence committee into going for
that sum in discussions with
the Senate," Congress man
Porter said.
Tugman said his candidate,
Durno, "gave up a profitable
medical practice" to run for
Congress and serve the public.
He said he was a farm boy
who grew up "in the tradi
tions of thrift and hard work."
He said he was an infantry
man in- World War I and a
combat surgeon in World War
II.
He said although the Con
gress will probably be Demo
cratic next year, Republican
Durno has proven "he can
even work with Democrats"
by his service in the State
Senate where he made "a
splid record." ,
He said Democratic State
Senate President Walter Pear
son termed Durno "the out
standing freshman legislator
in my government experi
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the family to sell all family
furniture and belongings to
pay for her doctor bills and
hospitalization. Their resent
ment fell on the girl and
they mistreated and abused
her, Sister Germaine said.
Often the parents left her
with relatives, neighbors and
even strangers for months at
a time. -
In later years, the girl real
ized she was rejected by her
own parents and this caused
her to feel resentment, fear,
insecurity and anger. She had
no interest in school and was
often truant. For months after
her placement in Villa St.
Rose, through .court order,
she was sullen. Gradually, the
school program at St. Rose
challenged her and she began
to discuss her problems with
the sisters and case workers,
Sister Germain reported. -
Today she is gaining in
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and is developing, after 16
months of care, into a reason
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woman.
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