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2 B WEDNESDAY. SEPTEMBER 21. 1960 MEDFORD MAIL TRIBUNE. MEDFORD, ORE. Luck and Labine Aid STANDINGS United Preu International NATIONAL LEAGUE W. I.. Pet. Gl Pittsburgh . 90 55 .621 St. Louis 83 60 .580 8 Milwaukee 82 63 .566 8 Los Antrelei .531 13 .503 17 San Francisco Cincinnati Chicago Philadelphia .. .452 24',', .385 34 .363 37', Tuesday's Results . San Francisco 5. Chicago 2 Pittsburgh 7. Phlla. 1 (1st, twl lisht) Pittsburgh 3. Phils 2 (2nd. nlshtt Cincinnati 9. Milwaukee 0 (night) St. Louis 3. los Angeles z (nignt) Wednesday's Probable Pitchers Cincinnati at Milwaukee (night) O'Too e 12-111 vs. SDahn (zo-o , Los Angeles at St. Louis (night) Drysdale (14-13) vs. Jackson 07-12). Thursday's Games Chicago at Pittsburgh (2j AMERICAN LEAGUE New York Baltimore Chicago Washington Cleveland Detroit ....... 72 73 ... 67 79 Boston . Kansas City .... OS HZ .... 52 92 Tuesday's Results Detroit 0, Cleveland 1 (night) Baltimore 4, Boston 3 (night) New York 2, Wash. 1 (11 in nings, night) Wfdnesday's I'robsble Pltrbers H-jston at Baltimore (nlghti F, fin "van (6-18t vs. Barber (10-61. Kansas City at Chicago (night) B, uaiey vs. score i-iuj Thursday's Games No games scheduled. League Leaders United Press International NATIONAL LKAGUK Player & Club O. All R. H. Pet. Larker, L A. 124 416 91 136 .327 Grout, Pitt. 134 903 147 971 8.1 inn .325 Mays, s. r. . Clmnte, Pitts, fioyer. St. L. Adcock Mil. Moon, L. A. , Rohnsn, Cin. Cepeda. S.F. Wills, L. A. . 106 183 .320 B2 167 J 15 91 155 J02 135 531 140 513 120 470 1.13 465 131 437 144 546 130 473 52 144 .301 74 140 .301 81 131 J00 76 162 .207 71 130 .204 AMKRICAN LEAGUK Bunnell. Boa. 136 508 70 163 .121 Smith. Chi. 142 536 80 160 .315 Kucnn. Clc. 120 474 65 146 .308 Skwron, N.Y. 130 507 58 155 .306 Eleven. Chi. 120 41B B4 128 .306 Mllioio. Chi. 149 557 80 168 .302 Robnsn, Bait. 144 503 67 166 .302 Power. Cle. 138 942 66 100 .205 Frncona, Cle. 138 503 82 148 .204 Fox, Chi. 141 567 82 166 .203 Runs Batted In ' National league Aaron, Braves 114; Mathews. Braves 112: Banks, ' Cubs 112; Mays, Giants 00; Cepe da. Giants 03. American league Marls. Van- kecs 104; Mlnoao. White Sox 09; . Wertz, Red Sox 90: Lemon, Sen ators 08; Gentile, Oroiles 92. Home Runs National leaaue Banks. Cubs t 41: Aaron, Braves 37; Mathews, Braves 37: Boyer, Cards 30; Mays, ' Giants 28: Robinson, Reds 28. American leaaue Marls, Y a n ' kecs 39; Lemon. Senators 38; Mantle, Yankees 36; Colavlto. Ti ' (ere 31; Klllebrew, Senators 30, .' Pltrhlm National leaaue McDanlel, Cards 12-4: Brogllo, Cards 20-7; Law, Pirates 20-B; Spahn. Braves , 30-0; Purkcy, Reds 17-0. , ; American leaaue Conies, Yan 1 kecs 12-3; Brown, Orioles 11-5; ' Baumann, White Sox 12-8; Pierce. White Sox 14-7; Perry, Indians ', 17-0- Chiefs Go To Glendale Rogue River Rogue River t high griddcrs sought to i strengthen their pass defense J this week In preparation for , their opening Rogue league conflict. The Chieftains go to Glen , dale Friday night. Coach Bob Sandgren of Rogue River pointed out that - the Pirate's Jack Berllne : throws a lot of passes and is , good at hitting, his receivers, Pnss defense has been a . Chieftain weak point. The RR mentor also forecast hard work for his club in stopping ' the Glendale running or . fense. The Pirates are bigger . thnn the Chieftains. Possible starters for Rogue River on offense are Jeff Le- Roy and Steve Simmer, ends; ' Tim Murdock and Gary West, "t tackles: Earl .Bowcn and Bill Cooper, guards; Terry , Gall, center; Jack Salter and Larry Wright, halfbacks; Thcron Stiehl, fullback; Ron . Laws, quarterback. For de fense Buddy Olymplus and ' Ken Bailey will replace West . and Laws. Glendale's squad this year has H leltermcn, mostly line j men. Backs are Berllne, a i three-year man, and Monty ! McLaughlin. The Pirates have dropped frays to Glide and Riddle. RR beat Canyon t vllle last week end after a . season starter loss to Crater i Jayvccs. i Gymkhana Won ' By Jim Daniel Jim Daniel won (he Slski- you Sports Car club gym Minna last Sunday. Driving an Austin Hcaly . 3000, he had an elapsed time : of 3:05.5 for the mile-long ; course. Daniel was contend ' lng In Class V. Other winners In men's r classes were Mel Lolly, Alfa ' Romeo, 3:09.2, Class II; Paul ; Newcomb, MGA, 3:17.4, Class III; Bob Ferns, MGA twin cam, 3:08.2, Class IV. Wom en's winner was Carolyn Sle ; ger, Tr. 3, 3:25. Evelyn Spears, also in a Tr. 3 came In uecond with 3.32.8. E. L. Cass was second in Class IV with 3.08.8 In a ' Porsche and BUI McCart took third In a Tr. 3 with 3.17. - Second in Class V was Lance , Jennings with 3:19 In an Aus ' tin Hcaly 3000. Another event Is planned ' lor October. w. I,- Pet. un f i ; B7 57 MS ' J I I f I 84 62 J75 If I t If " ' 8.1 62 .372 .i . I I I I I . 72 73 .497 l.l'.i , - . I f if 1 j Am IS'.i I L M' 1. -.t!S C v - ' -W 1 '.VP, w1! r . T'lffl '-! .ill MOVIE STUDIO SIGNS Olympic Decathlon champion Rafer Johnson is shown thumping through a script for the movie, Journey into Danger, contract with 20th Century Fox featured role. Shown with Johnson is director George Sher man, left. (UPI Telephoto) UPI Says Stengel Retiring Shortly After Series Play By MILTON RICHMAN New York - IUPU - Casey Stengel will retire shortly after the World Series and Ralph Houk will succeed him as manager of the New York Yankees, United Press Inter national has '.earned on the best possible authority. Stengel made up his mind to quit at the end of this season, even before it started, and has spoken about it to this writer, off-handedly now and then during the past six weeks. Casey's retirement has al ways been a sore point with him - and it Is understandable for a man of 70 who has been in baseball SO years - but he has faced up to the fact that it is far better to leave as a winner rather than a loser. "I don't blame them for asking me all these questions about my leaving," he said to this writer before Tuesday night's game with Washing ton. "They've got a right to ask," he went on. "But I still feel it's my own business and I told 'em all I'd give 'em my answer in October. That'a soon enough, isn't it?" His Doing Only a few weeks back, however, I knew Stengel had decided to quit and told him so. He didn't deny it. Instead he said: "Yeah, but It's my doing, not theirs." By that he meant he's the one who is calling the shot -not the Yankees' front office. "Hell, I've had five or six offers since I've been here," he said. He wasn't lying either. Several clubs have Inquir ed, discreetly of course, whether he would be interest ed In managing them during the past three years, but Casey's answer has always been, "No, thanks." "Why don't you fool 'cm and come back here .next Don Drysdale Victory in Fray Tonight St. Louis - IUPU - Tall Don Drysdale goes after his 15th win of the season tonight in Busch Stadium against the St. Louis Cardinals as the Los Angeles Dodgers try to snuff out the hosts' dim hopes of winning the pennant. Solly Hemus' Cards are six games behind the Pitts burgh Pirates after their 3-2 victory over Los Angeles Tuesday night. The second placers have only 1 1 games left. The Pirates look a twin bill from Philadelphia. After attempting to give Drysdale his 15th win and St. Louis a beating tonight, the Dodgers take It easy for three days, Thursday, Friday and Saturday. The fading San Francisco Girnts come into Los Angeles Sunday. Sophmore Larry Sherry w the loser Tuesday night and his record now stands at 14-9. In his one-third of an inning he gave up one hit and two runs. Roger Craig started the game but gave way to Sherry In the ninth. Los Angeles Is now 13 un lucky games behind league- after signing a long-term studios. Johnson will have a year?" I said to him on the bench Tuesday night. "I Just might," he muttered. But he was kidding, and he knew I knew he was. There is no question, how ever, that he can get a Job practically anywhere In base ball. But when he's through with the Yankees, he'll be through, period. The Yankees' front office has decided who will be Sten gel's successor and his name is Houk, a man who proved his capabilities with Denver in the Yankee farm system, a man liked, and .respected by the -Yankee players, and a man with quite a bit on the ball. PCL Meets At Portland Portland IUPU Officials of the Pacific Coast league opened a meeting here today with sale oj. the Vancouver and Seattle clubs and the fu ture of Portland Beavers the main topics of discussion. About 500 shareholders of the Vancouver team gave ap proval Monday night to the sale of the Mountlcs to Mil waukee of the National league. Club president Nat Bailey planned to meet with officials of the Braves here. The Boston Red Sox organ ization was also expected to attend to discuss possible ac quisition of the Seattle team from brewer Emll Sick. Portland found Itself with out even a major league play er ticup after last season when it sued the majors for $1.8 million. Beaver stockholders have not yet decided whether to pursue the suit-already turned down by one court or to drop it and seek another major league ticup. Officials from Honolulu were also here in hopes of gaining a Pacific League franchise. Seeks 15th leading Pittsburgh, but the Giants are 17 games back and the Dodgers are In little dan ger of finishing In the second division. Group Honors Stater Tailback Portland -IUPIi- Don Kasso, Oregon State tailback, was named as the outstanding Or egon college football player of last week end today by the Linebackers, a local group supporting collegiate football. Kasso helped Oregon State to a 14-0 upset of Southern California. Receiving honorable men tion were Mike Kline and Denny Pleters. OSC linemen, and Stan Solomon, Willamette back, , .. TRUITT IMPROVED Portland - IUPP - Baseball announcer Rollie Truitt was reported "considerably I m proved" by attendants at Hoi laday Park hospital today. Truitt suffered a heart attack recently. Loop Leaders Clem Wins In Relief For Pirates RACKS AT A GI.ANCI! United Press International AMKRICAN LEAGUE W. I.. Pet. GB OR New York ... 87 57 '.604 10 Baltimore 84 62 .575 4 a Chicago ' . . 83 62 yil 4i Games remaining; New York. At home 4 Washing ton. Sept. 21: Boston. Sept. 30. Oct. 1. 2. Away 6 At Boston. SeDt. 23. 24, 25; at Washington, Sept. 26. 27. 28. Baltimore. At home 1 Boston. Sept. Zl Away 7 At Washington. Sept. 23. 24. 25. Oct. 1. 2: at Bos tonSent. 27. 28. . Chicago. At Home 6 K a n a a s City. Sept. 21; Detroit, Sept. 28. 27: Cleveland. Sept. 30. Oct. 1. 2 Away 3 At Cleveland. Sept. 23, 24, 25. NATIONAL LEAGUK W. I.. Pittsburgh .... 00 SS St. Louis 83 60 Milwaukee .... 82 63 Games remainins: Pet. GB GR .621 0 .580 8 11 .366 8 0 Pittsburgh. At home 6 Chicago. Sept. 22. 2; Cincinnati, Sept. 27; Milwaukee, sept. 30. Oct. l. , Away 3 At Milwaukee. Sept. 23, so. St. Louis. At home 1 Los An geles. Sept. 21. Away. 10. At Chi cago, Sept. 23, 24, 23; at Los An geles, Sept. 27. 28, 20; at San Fran cisco, Sept. 30, Oct. 1, 2. IDate for playolf of tie game at Chicago to be announced later, if it has a bearing on race.) Milwaukee. At home 4 Clncin naU, Sept. 21: Plltsbugh. Sept. 23. 24, 25. Away 5 At Philadelphia. sept. 27. 26; at Pittsburgh, Sept. 30, Oct. 1. 2. BY NORMAN MILLER United Press International As if the Yankees and Pi rates weren't doing well enough In their race to the World Scries, along comes luck and Labine. The renowned "Yankee luck" popped up at an op portune time Tuesday night when catcher Earl Battey of the Washington Senators dropped an easy throw to the plate in the 11th inning and permitted a run which, gave New York a 2-1 victory. And Clem Labine, who earlier this season appeared to be drifting out of the ma jor leagues, contributed a three-inning hltless relief job in the nightcap of a double header to help Pittsburgh complete a 7-1, 3-2 sweep against the Philadelphia Phils. The Pirates' double tri umph widened their National league lead to six games and reduced their pennant-winning "magic number" to five. The Yankees maintained their four-game bulge in the American league and reduced their clinching figure to six. Orioles Take Second In other AL games, the Baltimore Orioles took over second place when a fluke eighth-Inning single by Brooks Robinson gave them a 4-3 victory over the Boston Red Sox and the Detroit Ti gers drubbed the Cleveland Indians, 9-1. Chicago and Kansas City were idle. The St. Louis Cardinals gained a game in their quest for second place In the NL by edging the Los Angeles Dodg ers, 3-2; Jay Hook of the Cin cinnati Reds pitched a two hitter to beat the Milwaukee Braves, 9-0, and the San Francisco Giants beat the Chicago Cubs, 5-2, in the only afternoon game. In the Yankees-Senators game, Mickey Mantles atn homer was nullified when re liever Jim Coatcs w 1 1 d pitched home a Washington run in the ninth. Coatcs had come to the relief of rookie Bill Stafford, who yielded only four hits until he loaded the bases In the ninth. Yanks Load Bases Bill Skowron then led off the 11th with a single off re liever Don Lee. A sacrifice, an 'intentional walk to Yogi Berra and another pass to Gil McDougald loaded the bases. Tony Kubek then hit a rou tine grounder to third base man Harmon Klllebrew, who threw home for what looked like an easy force out and possibly a double play. But Battey dropped the boll, per mitting pinch-runner Joe Dc Maestrl to race home with the winning run. Eli Grba was the winner in relief. For the Pirates. Bob Friend pitched a seven-hitter for his 17th victory In tnc opener and then Hal Smith's eighth- Inning homer off Philadel phia's Jim Owens climaxed a come-from-bchind victory in the nightcap. Dick Scho ficld's double and Bob Skin ner's two-out single had tied the score In the seventh. Labine, who Is beginning to look once again like the pitcher who helped the old Brooklyn Dodgers win pen nants, relieved starter Har vey Haddix in the seventh to gain his third victory against one defeat. Hits Bloop Slngl Pinch-hitting rookie Char ley James of the Cards blooped a broken-bat single with two out In the ninth to drive home two runs that POISON OAK? Pt fltMTMlMtJ tfllitf M MtVft'l ntibt UN PalMfl Oak U'lwt. iW pUAMTt. I1H la ntvrl lux prfpmtf. SatiitMlto tw" 4 - m yw tJrvfftitt. Indians Rehire Jimmy Dykes Cleveland, Ohio - OJPU-Ci-gar-smoking Jimmy Dykes, who became boss of the Cleve land Indians in an unpreced ented swap of managers, had a new lease on major league life today. The popular skipper, whose managerial career dates back to 1934, was rehired for the 1961 season Tuesday night. He signed a one-year contract calling for a salary of about I $35,000. Dykes, who was "traded" to the Indians by Detroit for Joe Gordon Aug. 3, got the nod for the coming season al though the Tribe has played less than .500 ball since his arrival. earned reliever Lindy Mc Daniel his 12th victory. Larry Sherry was the Los Angeles victim. Hook permitted only four men to reach base, none reaching second, as the Reds shelled Lew Burdette of the Braves in the seventh, and Sam Jones pitched a five-hitter for his 17th triumph in the Giant's win over the Cubs. Brooks Robinson, trying to duck away from a pitch, acci dentally blooped a single which drove in the Orioles' winning run against the Red Sox. Dick Gernert, Lou Bcrbe- rcl and Al Kaline hit home runs to case the route to Frank Lary's 14th victory for the Tigers against the In dians. Jim Perry now has yielded 34 homers, an all- time Cleveland high for season. ilNKSCORKS: National League S. Francisco 100 310 0003 0 Chicago 010 000 0012 5 cam joncs (ir-iti ana scnmiai. Ellsworth, Schaficrnoth (5). Wright (0) and Taylor. Loser Ellsworth (6-13). Los Angeles 000 000 0022 8 0 St. Lou s 000 000 1023 11 era g. L. bherry (0). lvoutax o and Plgnatano. Simmons, McLJan. lol 101 and H. Smith. Winner Mc Daniel (12-4). Loser L. Sherry (14-ai. Cincinnati ... 020 002 5000 10 1 Milwaukee .000 000 00(10 2 3 Hook 111-17), and Bailey. Bur dclte, Fox (7). McMahon (7), Piz za (8) and Crandall. Loser Bur. dette (17-12). (First Game) Pittsburgh ... 002 001 2207 13 1 Philadelphia 000 000 0101 7 3 Friend (17-11) and Burgess. Rob erta. Short (7), D. Green (0), and Neeman. Loser Roberts (10-16), HRS Virdon. Woods. (Second Game) Pittsburgh ... 001 ooo no3 10 4 Philadelphia 000 002 0002 8 0 Haddix. Labine 17) and H. Smith. Owens (4-13) and Cokcr. Winner Labine (3-1). HRS H. Smith. American League Detroit 020 060 0109 14 0 Cleveland .: ooo 001 0001 7 0 Larry (14-15) and Berberct, Per ry, Stlgman (51, Newcombe (6) and Romano. Loser Perry (17-0). HRS Gernert, Bcrborcl, Kaline. (1 1 Innings) Washgtn. 000 000 001 001 6 1 N. York 000 100 000 102 8 0 Kralick, Sadowski (8), Woodc. shick (0) Lee (11) and Battey: Stalford. Coatcs (9). Arrovo (91 Grba and Howard. Winner Grba (5-4). Loser Lee (8-6). 11R Mantle. Boston 030 ooo orii a 10 l Baltimore . 010 010 llx 4 8 0 Brewer. Fornlelcs (81 and Nixon: Brown. Stock (8). Hoelt (81, Wll helm (0) and Trlandos Winner Hoeft (2-1). Loser Brewer (10-13). HRS Nixon. Triandos. Black or Brown OPE!! MONDAY NIGHTS UNTIL 9 P.M. The Corner Main and Central Red Hat Days in Oregon Begin on September 23 Oregon governor's annual Red Hat Days will b kick ed off on Friday, Sept. 23, and will continue through the fall hunting season. During this season sports men emphasize a pledge to obey gam laws, to respect the rights and property of others and to be careful with fire and firearms. Objectives of the program are to bring about better relations between landown ers and hunters and to pro vide safer, saner and more productive hunting oppor- Phils Set Record in Strikeouts Philadelphia-ajPll-Thc Phila delphia Phils have hit a new major league high for futility. They now have struck out a record total of 996 times and still have eight games left to !play. When Bob Friend of the Pittsburgh Pirates fanned Tony Taylor in the fourth in ning of Tuesday night's twi night opener, the Phils broke the old season strikeout rec ord of 989 set by the Chicago Cubs in 1957. They whiffed six more times before the twin bill was over. After two days of rest, they'll be shooting for the 1,000 mark in Friday night's game at Cincinnati. Giants Have 4-Day Rest San Francisco - IUPU - The San Francisco Giants, with 147 games under their belt began a four-day break today while the rest of the league catches up. Lack of rain-outs and the vagaries of the schedule mak er accounted for the unaccus tomed vacation. Manager Tom Shcehan planned to have his troops workout at Candlestick Park either Thursday or Fri day, They resume official ac tion Sunday against Los An geles at the Coliseum. Tuesday, Sam Jones over came his 'mysterious jinx on the road as he polished off the Chicago Cubs, 5-2 at Chica go. It placed the Giants over .500 again and made the tooth pick-throwing righthander 17- 14 for the year. This breaks down at 14-4 at home and J 10 on the road. The other wins abroad were over last-place Philadelphia. Pinch-Hitter ReplacesTed Baltimore - OJPII-Ted Wil liams was "lifted" for a pinch hitter for the first time in his major league career Tuesday night in a game against the Baltimore Orioles. There were extenuating circumstances, of course. The 42-year-old Red Sox slugger was forced to leave the game in the first inning after being hit on the right ankle by his own foul ball. Carroll Hardy pinch-hit for Ted and popped into a double play. Although Williams' ankle was not seriously bruised, he planned to leave the team to day and return to Boston. Shoe Store Medford tunities. Red Hat Days had their origin in 1955. The idea was developed by the Port - land chapter of the Isaak Walton league. Since 1955 the program has been spon sored by 27 statewide or ganizations r p r a senting outdoor interests, the tim ber industry, agriculture, land management agencies and labor. 7-MAN COMMITTEE A seven-man Red Hat Days committee appointed by Gov. Mark Hatfield heads the program this year. Sportsmen's organi sations have been delegated to assume the responsibility of distributing supplies for the program and to plan and carry out activities aim ed at publicizing Red Hat Days. 'and management agencies, the Oregon Cat tlemen's association and slate police will report to the governor's committee, summarizing hunter con duct and behavior trends. Past reports' indicate "ex cellent progress" under the procjram, the committee has said. Committeemen are Ger ald Detering. Harrisburg, chairman; Ed Coles, The Dalles; George Brown, Irv Luilen, Madison Srrith and Roy Beadle. Portland; and Francis Slokesberry, Bend. 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