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Newspaper Page TextFOUH MEDFORD (OREGON) Ml UNE 'Everyone In Southern Oregon Reads The Mail Tribune" Published Daily Except Saturday by MEDFORD PRINTING CO. . 17-29 North Fir St. Phone 2-141 ROBERT W RUHL. Editor HERB GREY Advertising Manager GERALD LATHAM Business Manager ERIC ALLEN JR. Managing Editor EARL H ADAMS. Cirjp Editor HARRY CHIP MAN Telegraph Editor RICHARD JEWETT Sports Editor OLIVE STARCHER Society Editor DALE ERICKSON, Circulation Mgr. An Independent Newspaper Entered as second class matter at Mediord Oregon under Act oi March 3. 1897 SUBSCRIPTION RATES By Mail In Advance: Per Copy 10c. Daily and Sunday On year $15-00 Dally and Sunday Six months 8.00 Daily and Sunday Three mos 4.25 Sunday Only One year (420 By Carrier In Advance Medford. Ashland Central Point. Eagle Point. Jacksonville. Gold Hill. Phoenix. Shady Cove Rosrue River. Talent nd on motor routes- Daily and Sunday On year $18 00 uany ana bunaay one month 1-3U Carrier and Dealers 10c per copy All Terms Cash In Advance Official Paper of the City of Medford Official Paper of Jackson County United Press Full Leased Wire MEMBER OF AUDIT BUREAU OP CIRCULATION Advertlsine Representative WEST-HOLIDAY COMPANY. INC Offices in New York Chicago, de troit San Francisco Los Angeles Seattle Poefland St Louis Atlanta Vancouver C NATIONAL tOITORIAt I ASSOCfA'ieN frim.pi.M'H 1 1 J NEWSPAPER PUBLISHERS ASSOCIATION Flight o' Time Medford and Jackson County History from the files of The Mail Tribune 10, 20, 30 and 40 years ago. 10 YEARS AGO April 3, 1947 (Thursday) Jackson Coiuity Chamber of Commerce will hold a tourist host school at Rogue Valley Country club April 14. From Afthur Perry's Ye Smudge Pot column: Baseball, the national sport, is beset by bickering. At times, it looks like the national sport is bickering 20 YEARS AGO April, 3, 1937 (Saturday) A large increase in out-of-state automobile registrations during March over the previous -month is reported by Lee Garlock, local AAA manager. Residents have been invited to inspect civilian conservation corps operations at the Jackson county fairgrounds this Sunday. 30 YEARS AGO April 3. 1927 (Sunday) Radical changes are in -store for railroad companies, accord ing to Harper Leech, well-known writer of economic subjects. Stage owners and officials meet at Stage Terminal hotel to consider uniform passenger rate on the Redwood Roosevelt high ways. 40 YEARS AGO April 3. 1917 (Tuesday) President Wilson urges Con gress to declare a state of war between United States and Ger many. Carl Heilbronner, chief yoe man, and Arthur Perry, yoeman, first class, are first Medford men to receive call to active duty. What's Your I.Q.? Nina or tea correct Is superior; sev en or eight is excellent; five or six Is good. 1.. What is hyperthyroidism? 2. How many pairs of ribs do human beings have? 3. Bible: "And it came to pass at the end of 40 days, that Noah opened the" what? 4. Investigation of depreda tions uDon U. S. mails is under jurisdiction of the Federal Bu reau of Investigation; true or false? 5. Are swordfish, tuna, or bar racuda known as "tiger of the sea"? 6. Chess may be played on a checkerboard; true or false? 7. Mosquitoes are a common pest in Alaska; true or false? 8. A pintail is a western sad dle horse, wild duck, or deer? 9. Does "all-around" mean the same as "all around"? 10. 'The louder he talked of his honor, the faster we counted our" -what? Answers: 1. An overactive thy roid gland. 2. Twelve. 3. "win dow of the ark." 4. False, (it is under the jurisdiction of the Chief Inspector, Post Office De partment, Washington. D.C.). 5. Tuna. 6. True. 7. True. 8. Wild duck. 9. No. 10. "spoons." Emerson. East German Refugees 8 Put Up Real Squawk Hamburg, Germany (U.R) Eighteen East German reiugees put up a real squawk Tuesday when they were handed over to East German police after a three-month illegal visit to the West. The "squawk" was as real as 18 geese could make it. The birds floated 75 miles down the Elbe diver on an ice flow last January in a 10-day voyage that took them from East German Mueggendorf village to West German Hamburg city. MAIL TRIBUNE Berrydale s Choice If the Medford city council follows the path of logic, it will again give to residents of the Berrydale district a chance to decide with their votes whether or not the area should be annexed to the city. This we.believe for several reasons. These include : 1. The area proposed for annexation is smaller and more compact than the area in which annexation was rejected by a vote last fall. 2. Polls of the area indicate there is a much strong er pro-annexation sentiment now than there was five months ago, particularly since many residents have become convinced that annexation is the best and for the immediate future, the only solution to their sanitation problem. 3. Alternatives are either too far in the future, or too costly. 4. The sanitation menace is getting worse, not bet ter. And it's pretty bad now. I ET us grant for a moment that the arguments voiced in 1 and 2 above are debatable and not, within themselves, sufficient reasons to call an an nexation election. This leaves the questions of what else can be done, and what the problem actually is. As we see it, the alternatives are annexation, on the one hand, or a long period of impotent waiting for "somebody to do something" on the other pos sibly capped by a costly, forced program based on the public health hazard. Before we go further, it should be pointed out that the city has refused (and with good reason) to approve use of its Camp White disposal plant by the Berrydale area as long as it remains outside the city. For legal and financial reasons, it can no longer offer the facilities owned by the people of Medford to non residents, who have no legal obligation for their maintenance. i ")NE alternative is to wait for some hypothetical piece of legislation (not yet enacted) which might or might not make solution easier. Another is to do nothing. In this case, the public health authorities may be forced to act. Dr. Harold M. Erickson, state health "Under existing laws the state board of health does not have authority to build sewej systems and to charge the cost to the property owners. However, either the state board of health through the state sanitary authority or the Jackson county health officer could under existing circumstances certify to the Jackson county court that an emergency ex ists in the area requiring that immediate action be taken to protect health. The county court could then proceed accord ing to law to install the required facilities at the expense of the property owners. . . In the case of the Berrydale district, the most economical and practical method for disposing of the; sewage would undoubtedly be by discharge into the Medford sewerage system. If the city refused to contract ... for such a. service, then a separate treatment plant would have to be built. This would greatly increase the cost to the property owners in the district. Furthermore if the county has to build the facilities it wiU be considerably more difficult for the people to finance the cost because it is doubtful that due to constitutional limitations the county has authority to issue local improvement (Bancroft) bonds for this purpose. . . In view of the above facts we rec ommend that if an annexation election is held it be ap proved by the voters." THOSE are blunt words. But they spell out in unmis takable form the situation the residents find them selves faced with. It boils down to this: Either the area can join the city and obtain sanitary facilities as part of the city and in the manner that city residents now do. Or it can wait, hoping for the best, and find that other solutions are impossible or far more costly. There seems to be no third choice. The fact is that the situation has progressed to a point where the community as a whole has a vital interest in the problem. THIS ispointed out graphically in another para " graph of Dr. Erickson's letter, where he says : "The state board of health is greatly concerned about the health hazard and insanitary conditions created in the Berrydale district adjacent to the city of Medford due to the lack of adequate sewage disposal facilities. Because of the extremely unfavorable soil and drainage coditions which prevail in your area there is only one solution to such a problem and that is the installation of a community-wide, sewer system." The county health department's report on the area makes unsavory reading. Here are excerpts: ". . . Regulations governing the disposal of domestic sewage and other household wastes state that 'No human excreta, kitchen wastes, laundry water, sink water, toilet wastes or other septic tank effluent shall be allowed to dis charge or flow upon the surface of the ground or into any ditch, gutter, street, roadway or public place. . .' "It was found that all of the residences located along the east side of Merriman road, without a single exception, were in violation of the above. . . Some residences had short sections of pipe leading away from the septic tank and then into open ditches. Other places had longer pipes . . . leading to the back of the property, but here again the effluent was found on the surface of the ground or in swampy areas. . . ". . . Those residences along the east side of (Connell) street appeared to be all right, but those along the west side of the street were all having trouble and the liquid wastes were appearing on the surface of the ground. Some people may feel that because the installation contains enough pipe to carry the sewage over the brow of a hill and ofit of sight, there is no problem. As long as sewage is allowed to come to the surface of the ground there is a constant health men ace from flies, mosquitoes and other means of transporta tion. "Of those residences on the east side of Elliott street, it , was found that three-fourths of them have systems that were not functioning properly. . . (Those) along the west side . . . were having the same trouble. "It was found that all the residences on Mace road, be tween Howard avenue and Elliott, have improperly function ing systems without exception." THIS is a situation which must not long continue. The city is again offering its facilities to the area, provided only that it join in shouldering its share of the full responsibilities of the city along with its other residents. The decision is up to the Berrydale voters. But they should know that a decision against annexation will only postpone a solution, which will be more costly in the long run. E.A. . Wednesday, April 3, 1957 officer, recently wrote : Chancellor Tha n Ever, By CHARLES M. McCANN United Press Correspondent Chancellor Konrad Adenauer of West Germany is making a big political comeback. Only a few weeks ago the Social Demo crats, the chief opposition to Adenauer's Christian Dem ocratic Union, were confi dent they would throw Charles McCann mm oui in xne parlimentary election to be held Sept. 15. Now political experts in Bonn, the West German capital, are predicting an Adenauer victory. The old man himself he was 81. on Jan. 5 is mapping out a whistle-stop campaign in order to show West Germany's 35 million voters that, despite his age, he still is vigorous and able to lead his government for another four-year term. He plans to cover the country in his special train, taking his big black Mercedes sedan on a flat car for detours, and "make at least three or four speeches a day in addition to a series of big set speeches spaced through the campaign. Adenauer Getting Stronger It is interesting that Adenauer seems to be getting stronger while the leaders of the other three big governments in West ern Europe Prime Minister Harold Macmillan of Great Bri tain, Premier Guy Mollet of France and Premier Antonio Segni of Italy all are in trouble over one issue or another. Adenauer had succeeded in putting over an unpopular re armament program including conspription. He was compelled Teamsters Guard Seriousness of Break With Beck Washington (U.R) The Teamsters Union high command today wrapped in secrecy the seriousness of its apparent break with Teamster President Dave Beck. At the same time, the Internal Revenue Service was reported to have referred the results of its investigation of Beck to the Justice Department for possible prosecution. The department de clined to comment. Beck, in taking the Fifth Amendment 117 times before the Senate Rackets Committee rather than discuss his finan cial activities, said he had been warned he might be indicted on income tax charges. Campaign Said Rejected Members of the Teamster Ex ecutive committee refused to dis cuss what went on at a many hours-long secret meeting at which the committee is reported to have overwhelmingly rejected Beck's proposed $1 million "truth" campaign. The only public clue was is sued late Tuesday by Beck in the form of a three paragraph state ment. It said the committee unani mously approved a "public rela tions program" to fight "anti labor legislation." Sources said the committee voted to spend $150,000 to $200,000. Union's Answer The campaign possibly was the union's answer to statements by a number of senators saying they would favor legislation to correct alleged abuses turned up by the Senate rackets investiga tion. No mention was made of the campaign announced by Beck last week to tell the nation's 1, 400,000 Teamsters and the pub lic the "truth" about Senate charges that he took $322,000 in union cash for his own use. Nor did it deny reports that the committee rejected the "truth" campaign with only Beck and his executive assist ant, Vice President Einar Mohn, voting in favor. Greeters to Meet at Elk Lumber Company Members of the Jackson Coun ty Chamber of Commerce and interested local residents have been invited to a "coffee clatch" at the administration building at Elk Lumber company, Medford, Thursday morning. . Those planning to attend may go directly to Elk Lumber com pany by 8:45 a.m. or meet at the Medford hotel at 8 a.m. where transportation will be provided, according to greeter's committee members. Lumber industry representa tives will attend the meeting and give a brief explanation of the "industry." George Flana gan and Herb Samoert, of Elk Lumber company will act as hosts for the meeting. Inspection tours through the Elk plant also have been arranged. Bill Abbott and Ken MacDon ald', co-chairmen of the chamber greeter's committee, arranged the special meeting with lumber industry officials in Jackson county. Adenauer Stronger Despite Predictions to reduce the draft term from' 18 months to one year. But the first batch of 9,733 draftees entered service Monday without incident and the draft is being accepted. At the moment, oa his way home after a state visit to Iran, Adenauer is preparing to enter important trade negotiations with Russia. The Soviet government has long been seeking better rela tions with West Germany on its own terms. Though he reluctantly estab lished diplomatic relations with Russia, Adenauer has not proved responsive to Russian gestures. No Russian Talks He has said publicly that he does not care to confer either with Soviet Premier Nikolai A. Bulganin or with Soviet Deputy Premier and Trade Minister Anastas I. Mikoyan, who also wants to visit Bonn. Adenauer's reason for his cold Today and By Walter THE PRESIDENT AND THE BUDGET In talking about the budget at his press conference last Wednes day, the President extricated himself from the untenable position he had taken before. Then he was saying, so Con gress and the rest of us had supposed, that the budget was too high, that he would like Walter Lippmann to see it reduced but that -since only Congress could reduce it, it was their responsibility, not his, to revise the budget. This general understanding of what he be lieved was, of course, heavily in fluenced by the famous press conference in which Secretary Humphrey had spoken so harsh ly of the President's budget. After several weeks of con fusion, the President has changed his position, and he has now made- himself the defender and the advocate of his own budget. Whatever one may think of the budget, this is a sounder attitude, both legally and morally, than his earlier one. UNDER existing law the Presi dent is obligated to present a budget which he believes in and is prepared to justify and defend. The law (Title I, Chapter 31 of the United States Code) says that "the President shall trans mit ... to Congress the budget which sets forth . . . estimated expenditures and proposed ap propriations necessary in his judgment for the support of the government." Until last week's press confer ence, what we had instead was a budget which the Secretary of the Treasury said was too high, which the President said could be reduced if the Congress would repeal or amend some of the great spending programs which Congress and apparently Con gress alone had enacted. In order to justify this alarm ing abdication of the executive authority, the President pictured himself as a humble servant of Congress whose orders he is car rying out. "We have worked many months on the develop ment of the budget," he said on March 13, "and each item in there has been developed with the idea of performing to the very best of our ability the re sponsibilities laid on the execu tive department by Congress for carrying out its mandates." Con gress, he asserted, has ordered a number of "great programs" which cost money, and there can not be "any great cuts in the budget" until and unless Con gress votes for "the cutting out or the elimination or slowing up, at least, of some of these great programs." 31 Donors Make Appointments Appointments have been made by 31 persons for the Red Cross Bloodmobile which will visit Medford Tuesday, April 9, recording to Red Cross officials. Donors needed will be 350 with the quota for the visit 290 pints. Appointments, which are being accepted now, may be made by telephoning the blood bank office, 3-3813, officials said. The Bloodmobile will be at the Elks temple in Medford between 1 and 6 p.m. and in Ashland, Wednesday, April 10. Appointments have been made so far by Dan Krotz, Lester Wal lace, Edna Harris, Sidney Har ris, Beryl Karfan, Helen Barnes, Mrs. Don Bergman, Caroline Perrine, Betty Kistner, K. G. Denman, H. C. Mason, Fred R. Brennan, Walter Higgins, K. W. Cook, Donald E. Herried Ed mend E. Haas, R. M. Johnson, John H. Quitt, Lois Rone, Edna Miller, Grace Robison, Janet McKee, Irene Williams, Mflrie Vinson, Wilma f Phillips, June Toews, Alyse Myers, Harold Head, William Prentice, J. A. McDougall, and Arnold Opgrand. ness to the Russians is because the Soviet government will not agree to Germany's reunifica tion. He is determined, too, to keep West Germany tied to the North Atlantic Treaty Organi zation unless there is a revolu tionary change in the European situation. It is reported in Bonn that Adenauer is preparing to send a new communication on reunifi cation to Moscow within the next few weeks. Because of the unification sit uation, Adenauer has refused to enter a formal trade agreement with Russia. Hence the negotia tions which are to start late this month or early in May will be for an informal trade agreement instead of a formal trade treaty. Russia is so eager for the agreement that it is likely Mi koyan will head the Soviet trade delegation despite the fact that Adenauer is on record as not particularly wanting to see him. Tomorrow Lippmann rpHIS was a strange picture of how the government happens to oe engagea m the great pro grams" that cost so much money. Are they really the work of Con gress alone, initiated in Con gress,' developed in Congress, with the President waiting hat in hand at the door of Congress for his orders? Anyone who thought this was a true and can did picture of the origin and character of the great spending programs has only to recall the President's messages to Con gress, the platform on which he ran for President, the proud cam paign speeches he made about the record of his administration. The President's first position on the budget was untenable, as the reaction in Congress and in the country made quite evident. Last week, in a not-very-happy mood, he made himself the cham pion of his own budget. . rpHE country, or at least a large and vocal part of it, is star tled by the size of the budget. Is the size of it really startling? It is startling, but only when it is measured by the campaign prom ises of 1952, especially the prom ises made by General Eisen hower after his famous covenant on Morningside Heights with Senator Taft. But measured "by the . cam paign promises ' of 1956, when the President adopted the philos ophy of the new Republicanism, the President is entitled to say, as he is now saying, that his bud get proposes to carry out con servatively what the voters have been promised. The crux of the matter is that between 1952 and 1956 the Presi dent committed himself to the "great programs" which cost so much. At the same time he was compelled because of the state of the cold war to have a great program of military defense. WHEN General Eisenhower ran for office in 1952, he felt able to offer big promises of re duced expenditures because he made two assumptions. One as sumption was that he could end the war in Korea, and that this would be followed by a peace which permitted important re ductions in the military spend ing. His other assumption was that he could stop the expansion of, and even cut back consider ably, the grants and subsidies of the welfare programs. The basic difference between the orthodox Republicans and the Eisenhower or new Republi cans is over these two assump tions. The orthodox Republicans still believe in these two assump tions where the President does not. Thus the orthodox believe that much money can be saved, es pecially out of what now goes to foreign aid, by a more isolation ist foreign policy.. The President, on the other hand, believes in collective security, which can not be made to work without subsidies to foreign countries. The orthodox believe also that the welfare measures can be re duced, and that a lot of money Lean thus be saved. The President and the new Republicans have become convinced that the party cannot win elections unless it is able to attract those large blocs of voters who had become an in vincible coaltion under Franklin Roosevelt. . . . rTHE President's budget is not a, series of great programs commanded by Congress. The budget is the new Republican ism, in this time of unabated cold war, when translated into dollars. It is what it is because of decisions made deliberately by President Eisenhower himself, and the Congress has been well justified in insisting that he take the responsibility, be it to defend the budget or to say where it should be reduced. (c) 1957 New York Herald Tribune Inc. Stops Stomach Gas 3 Times Faster Certified laboratory tests prom BEll-ANS tablets neutralize 3 times as muck stomach oddity In one minute.as many leading digestive tablets. Get IEII-AKJ ' today for tho fastest known relief. Knowland Eyes 'Great Debate' on Assistance To Satellite Nations By RAYMOND LAHR United Press Correspondent Washington (U.R) Senate Republican Leader William F. Knqwland thinks it's about time for another "great debate" on foreign policy. So far, the issue which is bothering him has not aroused any fervor for debate on either side of the political aisle by men of comparable stature. But it could come when Congress con siders the administration's for eign aid program and perhaps when the Senate reviews the treaty to put the United States in an international atoms-for-peace agency. Knowland is troubled because he believes the administration is moving toward a "Communist Marshall Plan," a program of aid for the Russian satellites of Eastern Europe. Against Polish Aid Since early winter he has been sounding alarms on this subject. More recently and more specifi cally, he has protested against offers of aid to Poland in nego tiations last month. He aso dissented from the ad ministration on one provision of a biU passed by the Senate this week. The provision would per mit the administration to barter surplus farm products to Iron Curtain countries for strategic materials. Knowland said the Commu nist countries could buy agricul tural products from tho TTnitprl States with dollars, if they wished, thereby reducing the dollars available to internation al Communism for subversive ac tion against this nation. Senate Votes Favorably The Senate voted against Knowland on this issue, 54-23. GOP Senators split almost down Texas Election Win Hailed by Demos; GOP Denies Claim Washington (U.R) Demo crats today hailed the election of a Democratic senator, Ralph Yarborough, in Texas as affirm ation of the grass roots strength of the Democratic party. Republicans denied it. They poiniea out tnat despite the Texas swing to President Eisen hower in 1952 and 1956 it is a Democratic state. However, the Democrats cele brated a double victory. Not only had they defeated a sena torial candidate backed by the President but they had 'again managed to hold their slim con trol of the Senate by doing it. Election of GOP senatorial candidate T h a d Hutcheson would have meant a 48-48 split in the Senate. That would haye enabled Vice President , Richard M. Nixon to cast his tie-breaking ing vote, throwing Senate con trol to the Republicans. Would Have Had Control , The GOP would have taken over control of committee chair manships and the flow of legis lation , through the Senate. Senate GOP leader William F. Knowland said only Tuesday that "anytime we get 48 votes we are prepared to move for re organization of the Senate." After Hutcheson's defeat he had no immediate comment. Senate Democratic whip Mike Mansfield said the defeat of Hutcheson was "good news for the country." But Sen. Andrew F. Schoep pel (Kan.), chairman of the Sen ate GOP Campaign Committee, said "Texas is a Democratic state fundamentally and I am sure the Republican candidate made a very fine showing." He said there is now. a great er chance than ever before for a two-party system in Texas. Panama Canal Sets Record for Ship Use Panama (U.R) The Pan ama Canal handled more ships last month than any month in its 42-year history. The Panama' Canal Co. releas ed figures showing 981 vessels used the waterway in March, 123 more than the previous rec ord of 858 set last December. The Better Service With reverence and dig nity we render service to all who call . . . regard less of creed or financial C. M. Lirwiller standing. To merit your confidence is our sincere desire. For a finer service, conducted in beautiful surrounding, it's Lirwillers'. Remember, too, we are 100 locally owned. LITWILLER. Funeral Home Mountain View Chapel Hwy. 66 at Normal Office 88 N. Main ASHLAND We Never Close . the middle with 21 supporting his amendment and 19 opposing it. The California senator, who often has foreign policy disputes with the administration, argues that any help to the satellites gives at least indirect help to Russia. He also has suggested that any such help would mean either enlarging the overall for eign aid program or subtracting from the aid given to U. S. allies and neutrals. The other side of the argu ment is that any moves to pro vide aid for the Soviet satellites would be intended to encourage their independence from Russia an argument Knowland win. not buy. In the Day's News By FRANK JENKINS The U.S. supreme court that is to say, the court of last resort has refused to review the fed eral pow?r commission licensing of three private power company dams in Hell's Canyon on the Snake river between Idaho and Oregon. A PRIVATE power company (the Idaho Power Co.), act ing on the authority of a license issued by the federal power com mission, is already proceeding with the construction of three dams that when completed will flood out the proposed federal power site. Since the supreme court has refused to intervene, it is to be presumed that these dams will be completed in due time and the Hell's Canyon federal proj ect, over which so many billions of impassioned words have been spilled, will pass into the limbo of forgetfulness. MAYBE it shouldn't be that way. -But A lot of power will be made available in the near future WHEN IT IS NEEDED. And Over the years to come a priv ate business enterprise will pay into the treasury of Oregon a lot of tax money which the state of Oregon can certainly use. So maybe all isn't lost. OREGON'S Republican party hoping, the newsmen tell us, to get .away from the "Port land influence" is getting a new headquarters city (Salem), a new state central committee chairman (James F. Short, succeeding Wen dell, Wyatt who resigned) and is to be put under the microscope and studied intesively for several months by a committee of the party's members to be appointed by the chairman. This committee will investi gate the merits of making the chairmanship a full-time paid po sition. As an alternative to mak ing the chairman a full-time paid employee it will consider the idea of " enlarging the sal aried office staff. It will also look into the value of organizing county chairmen by congression al districts as it is believed by many that the Oregon GOP lacks "organizational strength at the district level." I SUPPOSE that's the way to go about it. But I can't help wondering what would happen if a bunch of grassroots Republicans be lieving fiercely that what their party stands for is better for their state and their ' country than what the opposition party stands for, should get together and draw up a platform that would be so SOUND and so SIN CERE that it would command the respect of all who read it And then select a list of candi dates so able and so outstanding that their names and their per sonalities would guarantee the putting of the platform into ef fect And then go before the peo ple on the sole issue of a plat form that would stand the acid test and LEADERSHIP that would translate the promises of the platform into actual perform- SHUCKS! I must be dreamins?. The Founding Fathers did it that way, but that was a long, long time ago. Mrs. Lirwiller "It is better to know us and not need us, . than to need us and not know us." v.