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PAGE SEC MesfoiuwTbibune "Vtottom la mithara Oregtaa Reada Hit Mall Tribute" Daily Except Satsrdaf PttblUhad by IfBDrORD PINTINO COw tT-tt Hwt rty gl FbM till HUBERT W. RUHU Editor. ERNEST JL O I Ul T HA P. Manager. A Indepettdeat Newepaper. Entered eecond tlin metier at Med ferd. Oregon, under Act of Marrb I, till. feUBKRIPTlON RATES By In Advance i XHtly and gunrlayono reer...(.,T,M rally and gundey ela tneatha.., e.OI ' Daily and gyniiay thrM months, .lt Dally and lundar ena month. .Tl By Carrier la Adrtnoa Wed ferd, Aih land. Central point, Jacksonville, Ooltf Hill, Pboenlx, Talent, and meter routaat Dally and Sunday oae pear Iff.ftl Dally and Sunday .one month. .11 All term eaab la advance. OrftHal Paper ef (he City ef WsHifor. Official Paper of Jarkaoa County tailed Prrae Pull Leaaed U lra HEHDER OF AUDIT BUREAU OP CIRCULATIONS Advartlalnt Representative WSST'HOLUDAT COMPANY. WO. Offices In Nw York, Chleavo, Detroit Ban Franc I mo. Log Anieles, Seattle, Partlaad. St, Log l a, Atlanta, Vaaeeuver, b. a P 8 1 1 s he R 45 05t H T 1 0 Ye Smudge Pot y Aithui Petty People can now use substi tutes for butter or for worse. Back in the hills one hardy mountaineer for a long time has used plain lard with salt, pep per, the melted tallow of bear and deer, to grease up his flap jacks and sourdough biscuits. Poured into a butter mould his Grandmaw brought across the plains in S3, and left to cool in the spring-house, it cornea out hard and round with the im print of roses on top and looks pretty and Is "larrupin" goodi Foggla, the great Italian' air base, has fallen to the Allies, An "old Foggla" of a military expert learned only last week from "an authoritiatlve London source" It couldn't be done. . Latest pictures of B. Mus solini have arrived showing the ex-great man wearing civilian clothes. They look like they had been thrown on him with a pitchfork. a OR A BIT IR1CEDI (Kansas City Star) "A Wisconsin woman shot her husband because he broke her nose, bashed her on the head with a milk botUe and tried to drown her. Since women took over share of the defense work, aome of them have become quite touchy." The Nazis are now at their strongest, militarily speaking, is the latest gloom propaganda. After all that happened to them In North Africa and Italy and what the Russians are doing to them on the eastern front, this doesn't make sens. Only deel- sive defeat has been their lot for months. Yet the mora hell that la kicked out of them, the more hell is left in them. Now you teU onel The hegira of mighty nimrods to the high hills for the open ing shots at the deer and what ever else moves in the tall timber, is now underway, Many Older Girls era now battling grey hairs. They re port the more they try to hide them the straighter they stick straight out. ... "A Kansas writer tells of a man who came home and found his wife tired out. She had been bending over a red hot magazine all afternoon." (Wichita (Knn.) Eagle.) And Lord Plushbottom elopes with tne hired girl. Reports from Switzerland say Pierre Laval of France, the Vichy viper, has again been shot at by assassins and, as three times before, with deadly Inac curacy missed. . Movie caption at the Cra- tcrian: "The Wages of Sin," (20 per cent on tor taxes.) EARLY FALL. LONG AGOI "Dull times Everybody says It is dull times, and It will not do for the Press to differ with everybody. We are therefore Inclined to yield the point. Dull times, from San Francisco to the mountains, we echo. But the rains are coming boys, and we anticipate better times. What a mlserablo people we would be without our liberty to grumble at the present, and rejoice with our hopes for the future. All we have to say further is In the language of a great poet: "Endure and conquer; Jove will soon dispose. To future good our past and present woes. (Placer (Cal.) Press: 1857), DIFFERENT THIS TIME Brockton, Mass. (U.R) A wedding carriage drove through the city streets the other day carrying a bridal coupte. la scribed In chalk on the back were the words: "Result of Care less Talk." Dae uau. nbuu. .waai 4a. - Deer Hunters Beware! The deer season opens tomorrow. According to all reports deer are unusually plen tiful, the weather promises to be about perfect, every thing points to exceptionally good hunting this year. But one of the two great dangers of deer hunting will be more acute than usual that is fire. The past month has been one of the driest Septem bers in recent years. The trees and underbrush are unusually dry, long grass in the lower ranges ditto. THEREFORE those lucky enough to enjoy the priv- ilege of open deer hunting after so many closed seasons, should be unusually careful this year. Put out that lighted match, don't drop it I Put out that camp fire and cover it with dirt, don't take a chance on a smouldering spark when the wind rises. Add to these warnings "don't shoot until you see the antlers," and this deer season may be as success ful In the realm of safety and absence of destruction as in the direction of the bags brought home. Here's hoping 1 War and Peace Speaking of hunting casualties, the National Safety Council has released figures which, if the reputation of that organization for accuracy, were not so high, would be put down as incredible. Listen to this: "Accidental deaths on the home front are running far ahead of deaths to American fighting men on the battle fronts. "Accident casualties since Pearl Harbor have totaled 60,000 dead and 7,000,000 injured. Office of war informa tion figures lists battle casualties as 20,104 dead and 32,904 missing. "Automobile accidents have accounted for 13,740 deaths so far this year. War casualties are certain to increase from now on. Both in Europe and the South Pacific the large scale fighting is just starting, as far as American par ticipation is concerned. Even so think of the thousands and thousands of Americans fighting day after day in the air, on the ground, and at sea, and with only 25 per cent of the fatalities that have occurred during the same days at home where peace reigns. There are larger numbers at home of course, and all ages and both sexes are included. But one definite conclusion is inavoidable. As the fatalities in modern warfare have been materially reduced in proportion to the numbers en gaged, the fatalities in the pursuits of peace have grown. What Price Democracy? At its recent meeting the American Legion en dorsed the Austin-Wadsworth National Service bill. This measure was introduced in the congress, only a few months after Pearl Harbor, but largely due to the opposition of two powerful organizations, the American Federation of Labor and the National Grange, it has never reached first base. , . AS was remarked in this column last winter how n ever, the time will undoubtedly come when the failure to adopt the measure will be generally re gretted. Its principles have been combatant nation namely entire adult population, one ing those who are to fight to work behind it, what each and every able-bodied citizen is to do.' And each and every do it ' TPHE spirit of the measure is contrary to the spirit of a free democracy of course. But so is the spirit of war. As the manpower problem continues to threaten the national war effort it is a pretty safe prediction the popular support of the measure, as indicated by the action of the American But final passage if and almost certainly come under the sad heading of too late, if NOT too little. Air Versus the Land Well, the eternal debate between pro- and anti- air advocates continues. In the current "Mercury" Major Alexander P. de Seversky, Russian airplane expert, continues his vehement support of the former thesis, even going so far as to oppose any all-out land invasion efforts in the west at present We quote: "Should the German Festung be stormed and over whelmed at a hideous price in casualties the myth of surface strategy of the pre-avlation epoch would be perpetuated. It would then be solemnly attested by old style military leaders and writers that this war, like the previous one, was won by the man with the bayonet and the man in the tank. The victorious nations would continue to pile up service weapons and maintain immense standing armies, despite the fact that they have been made largely superfluous, except as follow up and auxiliary services by the air weapon." There you have it Smash the enemy from the air, and then call in, not an invading army, but the military police. In this department's judgment de Seversky is as wrong on one side as the anti-air extremists are on the other. Th truth as air superiority is vital but it CAN'T do the job alone it needs land support just as the" army must have air support and for a I should strike at the SAME J MEDFORD MAIL adopted in every other the conscription of the central authority choos at the front, those who are individual is compelled to Legion, will increase. when it does come, will usual in mirhvav between- complete victory BOTH time I TRIBUNE, MEDFORD, Personal Health Service Br WUUam Sign totters pertalnlni U paraonel Health an njtleo. aat la aneaaea aiMnoti, or tre.lro.nt. will be iwnK by Dr. Brady t JmPf ' addressed invelop. u enclosed, lature ehaul M artel so wnttca "J"" Owlnf to the lart. nomber of letters retain culr a hw can re um hen. Ka reply can be mad. to queries not eonformlnt, to laetraeuon, Addrtu Br. William Brady, tS tl Csmlnc Bertrly Hills, Cllt. NEUROTICS NEED There If a . popular notion, i shared by those doctors who harbor aualnt theories of "nerve energy, tnai one who Is p r e s umed to suffer I r o m "weak nerves, "nervous ex- haustion," 'neurasthenia,' "nerve strain' or nervous break down' needs most of all rest, com plete rest. The or. nrac-r ostensible rea son for this Is that the nervous wreck can recharge his or her batteries and accumulate a re serve fund of imaginary "nerv ous energy" to carry on with. Whenever you come up against this quaint fancy of "nerve energ;'" as something separate and distinct from the ordinary energy you use when you work or play or exercise, bear this scientific fact in mind: Brain workers, so-called, re quire less sleep for refreshment or restoration than do those who use their muscles for work or play. If It were true what they say about "nerve energy" of course the brain worker would require . more sleep than the manual laborer does. The natural, normal reaction to fear, anger, work, anxiety, irritation, annoyance, danger Is muscular activity fighting or running away. Civilization, edu cation, refinement make it in cumbent upon the individual to repress this Impulse and even to conceal so far as possible the desire or feeling to smile po litely when one may really yearn to give the disagreeable perso.i a cuff on the ear or a kick in the pants. The emotion has Its physiological effect, causes sud' den pouring out of an excess of adrenin by the adrenal glands. The adrenin mobilizes an excess of sugar In the blood the fuel which wlU be required by the muscular work Involved in fighting or running away. The adrenin causes temporary in crease in blood pressure, tem porary inhibition or arrest of digestion, temporary stimulation of the heart. But as no muscle action, follows, the total effect Is comparable with racing the automobile engine with clutch disengaged. It may be refined, polite, civilized to preserve at least the semblance of equanimity in all circumstances, but if we could react to annoyances, taunts, vex ations, sneers, slights, insults, News Behind The News by Paul Malloo (Continued from Page One) ties who believe Japan can be crushed. What I would like to read in some official pronouncement from the navy saying that this war can be won fast If the en ergy of the people Is devoted swiftly to the task. At least, that would Inspire me more than these constant statements that things look bad, that our trials and tribulations are to be ex tended ideflnltely. I wonder where the govern ment philosophers got the Idea that people can be pressed to work only by discouraging of ficial statements. It seems to me the notion traces right back to Hitlerlsm. It sounds to me like the Goebbels technique. As far as I know, it was the nazis who first developed the policy of making their people work harder by adopting a long official face. They had a strug gle on their hands to arise from the subservient position In which their nation was placed and they thought they managed to get the utmost energy from their people by Impressing upon them constantly the dlscourag ing aspects of their position. The same publicity propa ganda was practiced In England where Dunkirk and the blitz bombing raids naturally caused Mr. Churchill to take that tone, e e TTHE facts of the situation to- day, as I read them, are no where near comparable to either of these previous conditions, that is, the previous conditions of Germany or Britain in their struggle. We are bound to win, and we know it. I cannot see why we do not proudly proclaim the fact and dir. It Into the ears of our enemies every second of the day. I think that would en courage people more, and dis courage our enemies. There is much current discus- sion about how lough congress is going to be with Mr. Roose-J ft:'- -s2 OREGON, THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 80, 1943 Brady. M. D. ACTION. NOT BEST snarls and threat, by fighting or running away we would pot be so "nervous." Since we can't "blow off steam" In that primitive way, it seems to me that soma al ternative ACTION is Imperative in every Instance to protect the body against the harm done by repressed emotion. That it, the greater the responsibility, strain or hazard In one's occupation, social position, racket or pro ject the more essential ts regular daily exercise, physical work, active play. I believe that doctors wno give countenance to the idea of weak nerves or "neurasthenia or "exhaustion of nervous en ergy" or "just too much strain" do a tremendous amount of harm. That sort of pampering encourages people to resort to tobacco or alcohol instead of DOING SOMETHING. It en courages them to use various nerve sedatives and when the simpler sedatives no longer benumb senses sufficiently they more readily resort to the habitu al use of narcotics. QUESTIONS ANSWERS Skinny Oalnt Twenty Pounds 1 smoked cigarettes from the age of 11 years up to the age of 84 years. I have alwaya been considerably un derweight, something I read In your commn maae me quit. 11 ie six months now since I quit. In that time I have put on twenty pound. feel better than I aver did In my life before. Is there a chance that all the nicotine la out of my sys tem? (O. a.) Answer Any nloottn. that may Phave been in your ayatera was out of your system within a weea alter you stopped smoking. But the dam age done by amoklns may not be so reaauy removea. ie my oeiiei that carbon monoxide anoxia and not nicotine la the damaging factor in emoaing. Insufficient Data Recent physical examination vealed organlo heart disease which Is compensated for. I am 69, and snail be pieaaea u you win advise me i: una la a dangerous condition. (E. A. B.) Answer Organlo heart disease la a fine, brave diagnosis, but without a bint as to which of a dozen organic diseases it Is I am unable to give as opinion. Embalming la It harmful or not to use borlo acid aa a preservative In canning such foods as corn, string beans, peas ana oeour (Mrs. N. e. A.) Answer If the food Is fit to eat when canned, and the canning process la right, so chemical embalming is necessary. I'd have to be extremely nungry Before id willingly eat food preserved with borlo aold, salicylic acia ana eimuar chemicals. (Copyright. 1843, John F. Dill Co.) So. Notei Persona wishing to communicate with Dr. Brady should sens letter direct to Or. William Brady. M. D. let tl Camlno, Beverly Hills, Calif. velt and the bureaucrats. The truth is congress cannot do much about either. Mr. Roosevelt obtained most of his powers immediately after tne war started, ana tney are to extend legally until a short time after 4t ends. The annual appropriation bills will not come up untU January and the agenda of congress light. The tax bill seems to be the major item for considera tion, and some authorities doubt that anything will be done even on that subject. In fact the leaders already are talking about adjournment, although they have not agreed on a date. The main power of congress probably will continue to be exerted in a negative way by Investigations of various gov ernment activities. LT. T San Jose, Cal., Sept. 30 (U.R) Lt. Gen. William H. Simpson, for the past year commander of the 12th Army Corps Headquar ters at Fort Jackson, S. C, has been named commander of the Fourth Army with headquarters here. It was announced today. Gen. Simpson, who was pro moted from the rank of major general to that of lieutenant gen eral yesterday, succeeds Lt Gen. John L. DeWitt as Fourth Army commander. Lt. Gen. DeLos C. Emmons, formerly commanding general of the Hawaiian area, succeeded Gen. DeWitt as commander ot the Western Defense Command when DeWitt was transferred to duties in Washington earlier this month. BABE LEFT IN THEATER Denver, Sept. 30 U.R) At tendants at Denver General hos pital were swamped today with calls from couples wishing to adopt a two-week-old baby boy. found in the ladles' lounge of a downtown theater where he evi dently had been abandoned by his mother. The baby was left on a couch In the lounge on T..l .. -! , U ,nnU nf fl diapers and a bottle of orange juice. SEES FAILURE TO GAIN AIR BASES Washington, Sept SO U.FD Two members of the senate Truman committee, back from a tour of world battlefronta, today prepared special reports stating that the United States has failed to acquire post-war air bases and that Persian gulf oil fields could relieve some of this nation's petroleum burden. The two, Sen. James M. Mead, D., N. Y., and Sen. Ralph O. Brewster, K., Me., were part of a five-man senatorial globe trotting contingent who went abroad to find out how Amer ican supplies and money are being used. Mead told reporters yesterday that he and Brewster, en mem bers of the Truman committee, would point out that "we will have no aviation . base rights outside the western hemisphere six months after this war al though we have built up a $3,000,000,000 aviation industry and have spent hundreds of millions of dollars In building airports, around the world." Mead said they would also stress the Importance of having Persian gulf oil fields (largely controlled by British interests) take some of the load we are now carrying" on supplying petroleum for the Allied var effort FIVE HIT CHUTES E Fourth Corns Headauarters. Oregon Maneuver Area. Seot. 30 (U.R) A medium army bomber and the five men who bailed out of it while on a maneuver mission Tuesday night over this eastern Oregon desert battle area were reported safe today. Two and possibly three of the parachutists were slightly In jured. First Lt. Stephen B. Searle, pilot from Trenton. N. J., or dered the five men to Jump after a hatch flaw open causing the plane to develop "jitters." After the men parachuted, the bomber steadied itself and Searle and Copilot 1st Lt. Elliot E. Jones of Grady, N .M., landed it at the Redmond, Ore., air base. Corp. Fred A. Cordaway. Ri viera, Tex., suffered an ankle injury in Jumping, and Pvt. Herbert E. Stevens, Madison, Ohio, a knee Injury. Sgt RudolDh N. Fransen. Portland, Ore., was .also under observation. The two other jumpers were Capt. Warren 'T. Gunter, observ er of Harnmon, Okla., and 2nd Lt Edward P. Nelies, Easton, fa. Neither was injured. Ration Calendar SUGAR Oct. 31 Stamps No. 14, 15 and 16, good for five pounds each, expire at midnight. Stamps 13 and 16 designated as canning sugar. GASOLINE Nov. 21 Stamp No. 8 good for four gallons gasoline per week expires at midnight SHOES Expiration date ot stamp No. 18 for one pair of shoes extended Indefinitely beyond Oct. 31. "Airplane" stamp No. 1 in Book 3 good for one pair of shoes on Nov. 1; expi ration indefinite. FOOD Oct. 3 Red stamps X, Y and Z expire. Each weekly series good for 16 point. Oct. 20 Blue stamps V. V. and W expire. Oct 2 Brown stamps (re placement coupons for purchase of meats, fats, butter, cheese and oils) A and B expire. . Oct. 30 Expiration date of brown stamps C, D, S and F. D valid Oct. 3; E on Oct 10; F on Oct. 17. FUEL OIL September 30 Period 8 cou pons in old rations expire. Period 1 coupons In new rations issued for -next winter now valid. Heating coupons one unit value ten gallons; ten units, 100 gallons. TIRES Cars with B books must have tires Inspected every 4 months; cars with C books, every 8 months; cars with A books, ev ery 6 months. CLIMBS STAIRS Scltnate, Mass. (U.R) Charles B. Carpenter, 78, who has wound the Lawson Memorial tower clock for the past 16 years, estimates he has climbed 110,548 stairs and 19,760 ladders to accomplish the task. NIGL'S SHOE SHOP Will be closad Ihi watk of Ocl. Alb. BLUES OUTFLANK AND BATTER REDS; Fourth Corps Headquarters, Oregon Maneuver Area, Sept 30 (U.R) The outnumbered Red ar my retired today, battered by 90,000 Blue army men who out flanked the defenders and, pre ceded by "a large force of tanks," stormed Into the hamlet of Waf ontire, 35 miles east of Burns. The tank destroyers of Ma. Gen. James L. Bradley's Red ar my failed to stem the rush of tanks which hammered Red de fenses on the Wagontlre moun tains from both east and west and finally tracked down on the Reds to end the third "battle of Oregon" yesterday. Although Maj. Gen. Gilbert n. Cook s Blue troops, outnum bering the Reds 3 to 1, had tast ed victory in the third phase of the battle, headquarters an nounced that the 75,000 troops will probably receive orders Sun day for a fourth problem to be neid m another section of the iu.uuu- square -mile, maneuver area. What's Doing at U.S.O.' West Main USO Tonight at 7:30 the regular roUer skating party sponsored oy raecuora usu clubs will be held at the Medford armory on North Bartlett street Soldiers and their wives may secure tickets at tha Information desk of either center. Friday will be free refresh' ment night at West Main USO, Hot dogs, buns and coffee will be served at 8:30 p. m. Free tickets for the football game at the Medford high school Friday may also be secured at the in formation desk. Two sewing machines are available at all times In the ladies' lounge for use of service men s wives. Saturday night two long dist ance telephone calls wlU be given, one to a serviceman and the other to a serviceman s wife, at a ore-designated time. Games and fun for everyone are promised. V FOR VICTORY New York, Sept. 30 U,R) The hopes for peace have changed Jewish religious cere monies. Instead of blowing one long blast on the shofar to usher in Rosh Hashonah last night, Wolf Kurtzman, 107-year-old in mate of the Brooklyn Home and Hospital for the Aged, sounded three short blasts and one long one "V for Victory." Arlington National Cemetery is the largest in acreage and number of burials of aU the national cemeteries in the U. S. ' Notice of Final Settlement In the County Court of the State of Oregon for tho County of Jackson. In the Matter of the Estate of Jno. W. Johnson, also known as John W. Jehnson and as J. W. Johnson, Deceased. NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN that the undersigned, Dorothy S, Johnson, has filed her final ac count as executrix of the above estate with the County Court of said County, and that the Court has fixed the 3rd day of Novem ber, 1943, at the hour of 10:00 A. M. of said day, and the County Judge's office in the County Court House in Medford, Jackson County, Oregon, as the time and place respectively for the hear ing of objections, if any there be, to the said final account, and you are hereby notified to file objections, if any you have, to the said final account on or be fore the said time fixed for hear ing. A supplemental account shall be filed at the time of the hear ing on said account to show transactions subsequent to said tinai account. Dated this 30th day of Septem ber, 1943. DOROTHY S. JOHNSON. Executrix ot the Estate ot Jno. W. Johnson, also known as John W. Johnson and as J. W. Johnson, deceased. 'rom One of the best-liked farmer In these parts Is Bert Childersl And he has the best way of beatln' the man shortage, too. Come husking time, Beit in vites all of hi farmer neighbors over to have glass of beer. When they ask politely "Where's the beer?" Bert point to a bucket-full of frosty bottles In the middle of the field, "All you got to do," he says, "Is work your way out to lt" Well, Bert's Idea has caaght ea all over the country eld a. 'a. 70 o Sam Flight o' Time Medterd and Jacksoe Co. His tory iron the Hies of the Mai Tribune 10 and 30 years ato TEN YEAR! AGO TODAY September 10, 1833 i at Was Saturday) 1 Merchants of city phut to pur chase new equipment and suits for high school football squad. Suits worn by two state cham pion outfits reduced to rags. Mare Jarmin to open new drugstore on North Central. Mann'g department store to celebrate 33rd anniversary to morrow. . . Groceteria No. 2 to open en Sixth street tomorrow. Large bear killed In tha Wll Hams Creek district by Mr. Mul lens. Bruin was trying to steal Pit- Ton of Oregon cabbage shipped to Philippines. Cuba stiU in throes of revolution. TWENTY YEARS AGO TODAY, September 20, 1923 ' (It Was Sunday) Memorial stamps for former President Harding on sale at postoffice. Moscow reported back of Bui-: garia revolt ', Fire at Ed Hanley ranch near ' Jacksonville does $5,000 dam- , age. Blaze caused by explosion. I Irrigation meet to be held at Griffin Creek next Monday. Farmers along Bear Creek warn, bird hunters not to tres pass. M & M store to move to new quarters at Sixth and Central. In the " ed to'' Football season opens Middle West World series scheduled open October 10. 8. F. DAIRY PRICES San Francisco, Sept 30 (U.R) Dairy market: Butter: 93 score 43, 92 score 4216, 90 score 42V4, 89 score 41. , . , Cheese: Wholesale prices, loaf 27H, triplets 27. Eggs: Large "grade A 56, medi um grade A 52, smaU grade A 48, large grade B 47. Victory gardens will produce an estimated 14,000,000 tons of food this year. Closing time for Sunday Too Late to Claaelly. 6:30 Saturday afternoon Please remember. . .... . IIARN THI TRUTH ABOUT D0UEL170RMSP Nobody ta ivra to Meap. And roundworm! can eaoM real troubU Inside you or your child. Watch for the warning aignit un asy stomach, nervousness, itchy nova or eat. Get Jayna'a Varmlfug right away t JAYNB'S ta America's leading proprietary worm madlelna ; used by millions for over century. Acta gently, yet drives out round worms. Demand JAYNE'S VERMIFUGE. Phone 2119 for Towing or Wrecker Service Anywhere Anytime Lewis Super Service OUR GREATEST AIM... ts to be helpful to alt who engage usi we try to satisfy all by tha manner ta which every detail to bandied. LADY ATTENDANT PERL FUNERAL HOME John A. k Frank Perl Ambulanee Service PHONE SI7J where I sit... JyJoe Marsh Folks are pitching in to help their neighbors harvest grata, and trait, and vegetables -and are taking their reward in sod, ability when the Job's done. And from where I sit, that's a mighty healthy picture ot Amer ican life -people working to gether to get in the food this country needs - and afterwards, slttln' around like good friends, over a moderate glass of whole some beer. I'm for ltl 0
