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Newspaper Page TextThe Weather Forecast: Fair tonlfht and Fri day; moderate temperature. Temperature Hlget yesterday fee I-owwt this mom Inn , H4 M EDPORD. r IK LrtJNE WINNER Pulitzer Award FOR 1934 Twenty-ninth Ytar MEDij'OKU, ORKCiON, THURSDAY, OCTOBER IS, 1931 No. 179. Pan! MaUoD B7 PAUL MALL ON. WASHINGTON, D. C, Oct. 18. Vo one has paid much attention to ' those Industrial and financial big ' fellows who have been casually dropping Into the White House singly or In twos and threea dur ing the last few , weeks. They come out very tight-lipped and offer some excuse for their presence, which usually Is not worth printing. When anyone asks the president about It, he laughs off the question and starts ' talking about something else. The truth behind It Is that, with out any fanfare. Mr. Roosevelt start ed out six weeks ago at Hyde Parle to see every prominent busi ness leader in the country. He has seen about 60 so far and before he gets through he win have seen them all. You may take the word of one near the top. who knows that the president is not merely sounding out opinion or trying to quiet trie business element. He has what the boys upstairs call "something big" In mind to start things going. You cannot find out from his callers what It is, even If they talk in their sleep. The president is very cagey with them. He asks a great 'many questions about a great many things. They cannot tell what par ticular things he Is serious about. They suspect that the money sit uation may be In the back of his mind, but If he follows any of the advice he has received he will pro ceed toward a more stable money policy instead of a more inflationary one, For instance, they are Inclined to believe he may be getting ready to stabilize or more definitely ap proach stabilization. S i Tha Idea of a silver devaluation commensurate with the gold devalu ation atlll seems to be fairly good. There might even be a Blight further gold devaluation. If so, such steps woUd probably bo accompanied by an announcement of . a permanent stabilization at the new levels. These things are, of course, merely expert guesses, but at least they reflect a new line of thought. One thing Is certain. Whatever la ultimately clc I'lded on and announced will be designed to be good for business. ' 4 No one believes that what the president aa in mind refers only to money. Likewise no one knows definitely when he will spring It. Something may come at his Octo ber 24 speech to ti:e American Bank ers' association. The speech has not yet been written. When he called off the radio broadcasting arrange ments for it, he did not intend to aay much, but there are indications that ha may now be changing his mind. Some of it will be reserved for his coming message to congress. It may be denied now, but he is al ready working on that document, although congress Is not scheduled to meet until January 1. That may or may not mean that he intends to call a special session or congress after the November election. Special Body Ordered Im panelled Saturday Death Penalty Will Be Demand ed For Crazed Abductor. SPRINGFIELD, O., Oct. 18. (AP) The two-day-old tratl of Thomas H. Robinson, Jr., sought as the kid naper of Mrs. Alice Stoll of Louis ville, was picked up suddenly by Springfield police today. An automobile bearing the license plates of the car in which Robinson Is believed to have fled from Indian, spoils, where Mrs. Stoll was released, was found In a garage at a rooming house on the west side of town. A $5 bill that was given, together with six 1 bills, by the driver of the car to the rooming house keeper as payment In advance for one wee's, was Identified by Its serial number as one of those paid to the kidnaper by Berry Stoll. husband of the kid naped woman. LOUISVILLE. Ky., Oct. 18. (P) A special grand Jury to Inquire Into the kidnaping of Mrs. Alice Speed Stoll today was ordered Impanelled Satur day by Federal District Judge Chars I. Dawson. The order was issued on motion, of U. S. District Attorney Thomas J. Sparks, who announced yesterday that he would demand the death penalty for Thomas H. Robinson. Jr., 27, dis charged lunatic, sought as the man who abducted the young society mat ron and held her six days for 50.000 ransom. Sparks recounted hoi? the young society matron was slugged and taken from her home the afternoon of Octo ber 10 and held six days In An In dianapolis apartment. Speed Urged. "The action of said parties consti tutes & flagrant and defiant violation of the laws of the United States," Sparks said, and urged an Immediate grand Jury investigation, 'Earl J, Connelly of the Cincinnati bureau, department of Justice, said a typewriter found in the Indianapolis apartment where Mrs. Stoll was held had been shown by tests to be the one on which the long, rambling note was written, threatening death to the victim and her family. .... ' A possible clue to the whereabouts of Robinson was seen in a report from Hopklnsville, Ky., that one of the 10 bills had been found there, Federal agents were notified. Mrs. Frances Robinson, 23, wife of the alleged abductor, and the tatter's father, Thomas Henry Robinson. Sr., of Nashville, Tenn., were charged Jointly with Robinson, now the ob ject of an Intensive hunt, with "kid naping and conspiracy to kidnap." Woman wauls Attorney, A demand for an attorney to rep resent her was made by Mrs. Robin son after a restless night In the Jef ferson county Jail. She refused to eat breakfast. (Continued on Page Two) The president's real speech to the bankers will not be the one he de livers at Continental hall. It will be the one he makes to the convention leaders, who will come to see him individually at the White House dur ing the convention. There are reas ons for be'.ievlng that this speech will bear down heavily on the boys for the kind of co-operation Mr. Roosevelt had been crying about. Watch out for Rumania. That may b the scene of tha next European explosion. Some very good sources here have private Information Indicating that Kin Carole crown Is tilted. That i one reason why ha hesitated to leave the country to attend King Alexander's funeral. It Is also the reason why he has been trying to effect a reconciliation with former Queen Helen. Tou may hara noticed In tha new, dispatches that Dowager Queen Marie recently went to Ixmdon. It waa not a pleasure trip, aa adver tised. She tried to enlist the aid ef King George In getting Helen to return. She waa unsuocesful. Helen'! terms are supposed to be the banishment of beautiful red- haired Madame Lupescu from Ru- SALKM, Oct. 18. (API A loan of 405.379 was granted the Medford Irrigation district by tha reconstruc tion finance corporation. C. E. Strlck lln. state engineer, today advised the state tr..ur:r. The money will be used for re- mania. Those are harsh terms, a, funding Indebtedness and purchase of anyone can testify, who ever tried , the bonds of the district on the ba to banish a red-haired woman. 1 sis of 35 oenta on the dollar. About There eecma to be more to the , a,,,,,,,,,,, WUh tn, , 10 BE DISCUSSED WASH I NO TON, Oct. 18. ;p) Fn ture relief legislation will be taken up soon by Chester O. Davis, farm admlnlatrator, In a series of confer ences with farm leaders and business men. The meetings, lasting some two months, will supplement President Roosevelt's discussions with business men on general conditions and ad ministration activities. Dr. H. R. Tolley, AAA program plan ner, and his assistant. A. J. 8. Waver have begun studying the adjustment act with AAA attorneys preparatory to any changes needed at the next congress. KIDNAPER RELEASES WEALTHY SOCIETY LEADER A y 1 nsB&zrjft r I , u COUNTY .NSTITUTE FOR TEACHERS IS SCHEDULED FRIDAY Jackson County Teachers Insti tute will be held this year at the Senior High School building, Med ford. on Friday, October 19. A full program haa been arranged wltn several addressaa of Intereat to teach- era and numeroua sectlona dealing with tha prcblema occurring In the various gradea and high schools. The outside speanera ana iec- v,, ibiapi Th bond- Superintendent Roben J. Maaska wh0!d lndebtedneaa of Oregon haa been brings to tha group a message from Freed from tha clutches of the man who had slugged' and carried her away from her Louisville, Ky., mansion, Mrs. Alice Speed Stoll, (upper left) beautiful southern matron returned to her home In a hysterical state. State police and federal operatives Intensified hunt for her abductor. They are shown above, In center, poking around a creek near Louisville. Upper right, Thomaa H. Robinson, Jr., for whom a dragnet has been spread. His house which Is being watched by agents Is shown In tha lower center. Below, at right, James E. Scales who told police ha saw a woman resembling Mrs. Stoll bound and gagged In an auto; at left, maid In the Stoll home who waa gagged and tied up by tha Invading kidnaper. (Associated Press Photos) C OF C PLANNING mm LOANED 10 MEDFORD DIST. According to bulletins being sent out to business men In the city today, the Jackson County Chamber of Commerca la proposing to organ ise a Southern Oregon Ambassadors Good-will Tour Into California dur ing the latter part of November and the early part of December. It la the plan of tha Chamber ot Commerce to charter a special train provided that 100 business men from southern Oregon will signify their willingness to take part In tha tour. The tour la designed to publicize- the varied resources of thle section and to estsbllsh contacta with various California business In terests for local products. Tho ten tative plans aa arranged by the chamber call for either lunch or dinner meetlnga with tha Sacra mento, San Francisco, Fresno, Los Angeles, Santa Barbara, and Oak land Chambers of Commerce and to attend the western division meet ing of the Chamber of Commerce of tha United Btatea In Loa Angeles on December 3. Pears, apples, prunes, potatoea and peachca raised In thla section find their way Into California marketa and It Is believed that the tour will establish stronger business con nections so that more producta may be ahlpped Into California. Chamber offlclala believe that the tour prcacnta splendid opportunities along these lines. Opportunity also would be taken to emphasize the scenic attractions of thla aectlon which annually draw thousands of California tourists here. Prominent buslnesa men from Koeeburg. Klamath Falla, Grsnta Pass. Ashland, and Medford would (Continued on Page Two) BANDITS TAKE $150,000 FROM HAVANA TREASURY HAVANA, Oct. 18. (AP) Four men armed with machine guna pit ied the City Hall treasury today of al50.000, thAntescBrd In an Auto mobile, 1 I Soldiers and sailors . were Jcalled out to assist the police In a search through the streets for the auto mobile In which the bandits fled. The city treasurer and his assist ants f'ere unprotected In the office at this time and offered no resistance. The city treasury Is an ancient building of Spanish Colonial days. In the honrt of the business dis trict of old Havana, two blocks from the waterfront. Tlie bandits took only United States currency and left, untouched in the vaults, more than $1,000,000 tn silver coins. The treasurer and his assistants S E STATE BOND DEBT CUT $10,691,200 IN PAST6 YEARS Outstanding Indebtedness Now $52,634,510 Says Treasurer's Report Highway Debt Load Cut. TERRORIST IN ITALIAN POLICE GRASP PARIS, France, Oct. 18. f AP) The Surete ....Nationnle was Informed to day that the Italian police had ar rested Ante ("Master Mind") Pave Hen, head of the terroristic secret so ciety Ustashl, and his aliened chief of the assassination squivcl, Eon Kva. ternlk, known as "tha delegate." The police claim that the Pavellch organization was responsible for the aasaslnatlons of King Alexander of Yugoslavia and Louis Barthou of Prance at Marseille on October 0. By niARI.Hfl M. MKMTKIt (CfipvilRht, lMf, by the Associated Press) BELGRADE, Oct. 18. (AP) Tlie were locked In the safe while the f murdered King Alexander robbers fled. wns plRced today near thou of bis ancestors in the royal memorial chapel In Topolo, While SO men bore the sarcophagus up a hill through tree-lined lanes to tlie rhnppl all activities throughout Yugoslavia remained at a standstill for two mlmiis as the common peo ple paid tribute to their fallen king. Then, aa Alexander was laid In the tomb which he had only recently completed, church bells tolled throughout tho country. They min gled strangely with heavy guna on land and sea which roared out a mighty dirge. Trumpeters sounded a farewell taps for the dead soldier-sovereign. "Mig non," as Alexander railed his wife, the Dowagrr Queen Marie, took leave of her royal consort and the doors of the tontb were closed. Three more members of the kllleri' organization were said by the sureto to be still at large. They were da scribed as the beautiful "gun moll," Marie Voudroch, a man called Mio Bzik, alias "the glnss mnker," and an other atlll unidentified. Police said "the Rlnwiinnker," who they know as a dangerous terrorist, aided "the delegate" in instructing the gang In Pavellch's assassination plans. 134,587 COMING TO COUNTY FROM 0-C LAND GRANT con. mission for refunding. The total bonded lndebtedneaa of the district Is 1.160.750. The tate haa paid In terent on these bondu (Continued n Page Eight) eonstructlon work on the Commerce Department building than merely de-Hooverifir.g it. Larce cracks ap peared on the inner wbI'.s and ceil ings. Two large utones crashed from t amounting to 1105 ,000 the cornice to the street not img i 4. HE"'. dr.""s 'rr.VnVJ.M.LA GRANDE SAWMILL 000.000 structure might fall apart- IU KtSUMt uui m LA OR.ANDE. Orf , Oct. If a, LOSO BCACH, C'al . Oct. IB '.P. Rfoprnlna; of the Mount BrnllT Lum Am r.rr!.qii-.lit or minor Intensity Mr company mill, with re-ampl.iy-s r:t In long Bfach at J.08 o'cloc j mtnt of approximately 500 men. w.'ll tills morn:n. It caused no damage j take place here within the next fort, and km snorter and ! nollccssle , night as the result of a Reconstruct thin ti one reported here 24 hours; tlon Finance corporstlon loin to ;'ie e.r:.?r. j nrm. sccotiina to Ai. J. stsiw Tviir. ,ii lt sTaXrnert minj" j vk-e-prrldent and msnT of t:i a-wp it luted oaif a lew atcoada. icompanj. ASA KEYES DIES OF PARALYSIS BEVERLY HILLS. Calif., Oct. IL IAD Asa Keyea, 7, whose colorful career for many yeara aa ace oounty I prosecutor In the district attorney's .office, and later aa district attorney, 'led to prison for bribery, died today at his home here following a paralytic stroke. He waa a native eon. born In WU- mlngton. a harbor district suburb. In i 1877, and graduated from the Unlrer laity of Southern California law achool. NSULL SURRENDER AUTHOR EVARTS IN STOCK BATTLE (Continued on Page Two) FEDERAL COURT, CHICAGO. Oct. I8.-IAP) Prosecutors read to ( , cries of severe esrdlac attacks. Jackson county this morning re ceived word from the department of the Interior that Its Oregon-Callfcr-nta land grant claim of 134,587 08 had been allowed. This la half the bal ance due on tha 1032 claim. The county waa requested to make . tied early In 1030 over stock tn In "formal demand" for the eum. and'aun'a utility empire, the latter etated that "payment I n,, government would attempt to would be expedited by prewntlng the provei ,Ka u. s. District Attorney claim direct to the general account- ! Dwlght H. Oreen, that Insull shoul Ing officer of the treasvry depart-jder his staggering loss of two of his , icompanlea and, through this, on his Members of the county court aald this morning that the 34 887.06 would be used for the payment of BUENOS AIRES. Oct. 18. (API Hal O. Evarts, 47. of Los Angeles, au thor or many ahort stories and nov els, died at 4 a. m. today of a heart attack aboard the S. 8. Malolo. Evarts had come to South America recuperative trip following a Inauli mall rraud jury today the story ' He leavea a widow and eon In Loa of Samuel Inaull s surrender to Cy-! Angelea to whom hi, body will be returning. rua Eaton, Cleveland capitalist, In a Rvlrtl) WM wturnln th, 168.000,000 deleat alter they had bat- , states aboard the Malolo. which also was carrying American pilgrims re turning from the Eucharlstle con gress at Buenos Alrea. Everts, who built a lsrge summer place above Prospect, haa visited here several times with his eon. county warrant Issued against the general fund and that the balance. If any, would be allocated to the va rlona funda. The money cornea at a highly ap propriate time and means that the " i w. ....... M.mltu will rtn hav tfi 111 health ha. dogged th. former , ; .ppmprlaHon for warr.n: prosecutor, whose acllvltlea broug.it ! ret(remfrit him a five year prUon entnce for j The gov;rnmnt ln 1032 only paid bribery in February, 1929. He waa . n(lf of tJlft 0 ,c iRnd Rranl cMm3. paroled from San Quentin after aerr- ; il0l(IlnR tne balance In abeyance un ing 19 montr.s of his term, and since tii more money had been acquired, then haa been engaged In a aalea and Notice was received a week eeo by insurance enterprise In Loa Angeles. the county court from conEreMmim Keyea waa convicted of receiving . James W. Mott that funds were avail bribes In connection with the 111- i able for payment of the claims. Ac toe it holders. Minutes of Corporation .Securities company, dated June 2 and 3, 1930, disclosed that it executive commit te, compOACd of lnaull his brother, with one agroed to share the indemnity." ED AT LAKE 0' WOODS the state department concerning Ita pollclea for the year; Miss Charlotte Llntoot, who apeaks ln tfie Interest or the Junior Red Cross work as carried on In the achoola: Miss Orace Porrette of Portland; Mlas Ida O'Brien of the Southern Ore gon Normal achool; Dr. Walter Red- ford of the Southern Oregon Normal school, snd Mrs. Esther Church Leake, music supervisor for Medford. Receiving special attention on the program thla year are the aubjects of reading and arithmetic which constitute major point of attack for better results In the county schools. Supt. Milton E. Coe ol Jacksonville, president ot the oun- ty O. S. T. A., and Chas. weaver. of Ashland Junior high school, sec tary of the county O. 8. T. A., will lay before the Institute me plans and pollclea of the atate aa soclatlon, touching especially upon Its work relative to the shaping of legislation for the schools. The Jackaon County Teacnera- ohorua, together with Rome apeclal soloists will furnish the music. This organization Is believed to be the only one of Its kind ln the atate and has been doing excellent work for the paat two years. This year the teachers' chorus la giving a reception to the new teach cra and the other teachera or the county between the hours or four and alx Immediately attcr the close of the Institute aeaslon at the high school building. There will be a pro gram and tea will be served. Offlcera of the County Teachera aasoclatlon for thla year are Supt. M. E. Coe of Jacksonville, presi dent; Supt. Roscoe Larson ot Butte rails, vice president: Che. Weaver of Aahland Junior high achool, aec- retary-treaaurer. Tlie oommltteea lor this year are aa follow! , . f r"' " Reaolutlona Rolla Reedy, chair man, Ashland; Norman B. Aahcraft, Talent; Edith rish, Phoenix; Wm, Ford, Belivlew; Vera Wright, Wagner Creek. Nominating O. T. Davles, chair man, Eagle Point; Ruth MacCollle- ter, Medtord; Mae B. Richardson, Central Point; W. A. Johnston, Rogue River; Ray L. Zobel, Proapect. Legislative M, E. coe, chairman, Jacksonville: C. R. Bowman, Mcd- Mcdford! Delia Whlsenant, Medrord. P. Jewett, Central Point: Ora Cox, Medford: Delle Whlesnant. Medford. Registration begins at 8:30 a. m, and tha regular sessions at :0U, closing at 3:48 ln the afternoon. During the noon hour the annual meeting of tha Bchoolmaatera clun for the e'ectlon of ofMcers will be held. On th. program also ar. acheduled two bualnesa t'aslona of the County Teschera association for the election of officers and delegate to the stat. meeting. LIONSTIITS NTERCITY MEET Wedneaday, Oct. 24 waa set yester day at the regular weekly luncheon of the Lions club, aa the dale tor the inter-clty meeting of the Klam ath Palls and Medford dena. which will be held at 7:30 p. m. at the Wlllard hotel In Klamath Palls. In dications are at present that many Medford Lion and their farm lie will attend, and it la also expected that several from the Bend, Ore., den will participate. Ted Hlgglru waa appointed chair man, at yesterday's luncheon, of the antertainment committee for tha next two month. Carl Foy waa ap pointed chairman of a committee to organize Lion club quartet, to en tertain at meetings of varloua local clvlo organisations. 0. R. Bowman, county school super intendent, will be speaker at the next regular meeting, and will addreaa the Lions on the subject of the 20-mlll tax limitation amendment. Members are Invited to bring a guest to this meeting, and are especially urged to attend. reduced 910.091.200 during the past six years, Ruiua C. Holman. state treasurer, reported today la summar izing the Indebtedness situation as of October 1. The atate haa outstanding lndebt edneaa of $52,634,510 In bond com pared to (03,325,710 Un 1928. In 1924 the bonoed Indebtedness waa W0. 118.490. The state haa outstanding 92,173. 760 ln Oregon district Intereat bonds which were Issued for the purpose of providing funda to bo used ln paying interest upon bonds of Irrigation dis trict for a period of five yeara under guarantee contracts with the state. The amount of these bonds outstand ing 10 years ago waa $1,007,740. No more of such bonds will be Issued for the reason that the periods covered by the contracts between the Irrigation districts and the atate have expired and the constitutional provision un der which the bonds originally were Issued has been repealed, Holman said. Farm Credit Bonds Cut Oregon has outatandlng $220,000 ln Oregon farm credit bonds compared with $450,000 on October 1, 1924. Notwithstanding agricultural condi tions these bonds have been ealf llqutdatlng aa to Interest and princi pal without the requirement of a tax levy. This la due largely to the fact tha.t tlie loans to farmers from the proceeda of the bond Issues were made ln 1917 upon an amortisation basis and have , been materially re duced as to principal with each pay ment made by the borrower. The largest reduction ln state bond Indebtedness was accomplished thru the retirement of atate highway bonds. On October 1, 1924 the state highway bonded debt totaled $3S, 060,750 and now totals 924,866,760. The difference represent a reduction of $13,104,000 ln bonds or 912,104.000 after taking Into consideration $1, 000,000 In temporary bridge revenue bonds now outstanding. The aggre gate of state highway bonds Issued from the Inception of the state high- -way program, Including refunding bonds, was 940,700,000. Vet Aid Bonds Grow On October 1, 1924 Oregon veteran atate aid bond outstanding amount ed to 920,000,000 and on October 1, 1034 $20,376,000. The total amount of veterans bonds Issued was $32,860. 000. According to figures submitted Holman by the World War Veteran tltate Aid commlslson the commission on October 1, 1934 held a an offset to the bonds outstanding, a sinking fund of 9804,033.03, cash In the fated Julian Petroleum corporation. tlon on the pavtnents was faster than anticipated. Representative of the 18 weeter', Oregon counties coming undT tiie FOR REMAINDER YEAR Ore Run Weather Fair tonight and Friday, but be- mmini! overcast northwest portion i nrovistona of th O-C Friday; moderate temperature; fn have ben endeavoring f-r a year to i Pr-ri istid. rrrentiv d nniM.cd as nca'.i Mrtuom .bl powv, no mu v imeetgauon. EUOKNK. Ore. Ot. lfl - fAPl William PhJppfl of Medford. artln; editor of the Oregon Dally Emerald, student newspaper, has been named editor of that pnper for the remain der of the achool year. Pliiijos. doorts editor of r-nirrd l-u year, iurerrd WfiBias Pollvka of I went off accidentally, a'-ordlng to Joseph A. Morrow, 78, of Klamath F-iHfl, n belnff treated In a Klamath Falls hoftpltal for buckshot flesh wounds siutsJned when ha was ae-'i- dentslli shot by Edward Peterson. Iso of Klamath Falls, a hunting com panion, about noon yesterday, in the Moon prairie district, near Lake o' the Woods. According to woid received here this afternoon. Morrow was not in jured seriously, but will be confined to the hospital for several days. Pat terson waa crawling through bruh when the siutgun he waa carrying U;$ clHDgeabla viud off the coaat... secure Ui payments. of the college dally. (Continued on Page Two) TWO DIE IN CRASH ETJREKA, Cal., Oct. 18. (API Two men are dead, a third la be lieved dying and a fourth la suffer ing from Injuries today as a result of a head-oni collision between two automobiles last night on the Red wood highway south of Dyervllle, 46 miles from here. Ivan Anderson and Manfred Bur nell of Miranda jtrere killed. George Wheeler of South fork waa taken to the CCO hospital at Dyervllle where attendants aald he Is not expected to live. Clint Moore was taken to the Scotia hospital. George Hubbard, driver of the car In which Anderson and Burnell were passengers, waa uninjured. Ray An derson, riding with Moore ln Wheeler's car, also escaped Injury. COP CO JUBILEE FILMS Local people who have not yet seen the Copco motion pictures of the Oregon Diamond Jubilee will have an opportunity to do so this evening at the court house auditorium. These Interesting film wilt be exhibited to the Camera club by H. L. Bromley, publicity director for the California Oregon Power company M a part of the program which will also Include winter acenea of Crater Lake. Through tha courtesy of the Cam. ra club tht public la Invited to eee the picture program, which will atart at 8 p. m. and will be followed by the regular Ortobr meeting of the i local camera organisation. Wit BKVEIUiY HILLS, Cal., Out. 17. Saw a mighty pleasing Ai jociafffd Tress dispatch from Washington in the papers say ing Fred Stone was a sensation in a straight dramatic rlay. Those sclf-entombcd miners in Hungary had to starve prac tically to death to get a rais from'2 a week to $:l.50 a week. An impartial hoard in San Francisco gave the longshore men 93 cents an hour with $1.40 per hour overtime. So you see these old boys that get up and tell you what the rest of the world is doing. Well, Hint's just about what they arc doing.