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“GO YE, THEREFORE, TEACH ALL NATIONS.”
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MONMOUTH, OREGON ; FRIDAY, AUGUST 27, 1880.
VOL. X.
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,. From Bro. Jajnes M. Mathes.
B edford , I nd ., July 27, 1880.
T. F. Campbell: -
D ear B rother ,—You have laid me-
under many special obligations by
giving the.Li*e of Eld. E. Goo^Lwin
such a good notice in the M essenger
of 16th inst. I thank' you for the
copy of the M essenger you sent me.
Your M essenger is a good paper,
and true to the cause we advocate. It
is a sound paper. I was much inter
ested in reading the proceedings of
your Sunday School Conventions in
this number And I see that my oid
brother, T. K. Dibble, who was a
citizen of Indiana at one time, and
afterwards of Missouri, is among you,
doing battle for our Master as in days
•of yore. The Lord bless him.
And I also see among the honored
names of your veteran soldiers, the
name of my old time friend and fel-
low-laborer, Eld. John M. Harris, He
and I were fellow-workers in our
pioneer days in Indiana. I think he
is a few years older than I, and was a
youn^ preacher when I joined the
church, in Qct, 1828, 2nd Lord’s day.
I was immersed on that day, and on
the next Wednesday night, at the
prayer meeting, I made a public ad
dress to the brethren and sisters,
nearly 52 years ago. He and I met at
a general cooperation meeting in 1831,
at the house, of James McCollough,
near Crawfordsville, Ind., and there I
preached my first discourse from
home, in the presence of Bros. John
M. Harris, Michael Combs, Andrew
Tuattin and James R. Ross, all the
preachers present on that occasion,
hence-passed over the river, so far as
I remember, except myself, Bros. J. M.
Harris, Wm. Wilson (the blind preach
er), and perhaps Bro. Ross. Old Bro.
James McCollough, at whose house
the meeting was held, was the father
of our beloved Bro. Jas. H. McCol
lough, our efficient evangelist.
We had but few churches and
preachers in Indiana then, and only a
few meeting houses. Our preaching
■was done mostly in private houses,
bams and in the groves. We did not
■wait to be invited to hold a protracted
meeting, and by correspondence ascer
tain how much compensation we were
going to receive for holding the meet
ing. The great question with us
then was, Where can we get to hold
a meeting? In what school house
will they let us preach ? Will farmer
A. permit us to hold a meeting in his
new bam ? Will farmer B. consent
for us to stand under the shady
boughs of the sugar maple, near the
creek, on his land, and proclaim the
unsearchable riches of Christ ? These
were the great questions then.
ter and invariably pay at the time of their patients to some other praction- shrink from doing so; but I do like
But times have changed. From a buying.
ers ? Any clergyman who in whnt of people to be sensible and logical/And
Then, there fire the texts: “ The a parish himself, recommends for a de there is neither sense or logic isrivn,-..
small band we have become a great
multitude. In ' Indiana alone we. powers that be are ordained of God. sirable situation some other candidate? sisting that one Scripture command
number rnear
100,000 disciples. Whoever reSisteth the ^powers shall The usual following of this text is : shall be followed literally, while allow-
Churches now are seen in> almost receive unto themselves damnation.” " Let jio man seek another’s but every ing that many others are not to be.
every town, village and city, from This is a plain language; yet those rfian his own wealth.”
We find
A curious part of this matter is that
Lake Michigan on the north, to the who insist most earnestly on a literal no rule more forcibly enjoined than the command thus insisted on is one
beautiful Ohio on the south. We now interpretation of Scripture would not that of the subjection of* wives with which, man has nothing to do.
have perhaps 100 efficient. preachers, think it right to sin in obedience to to husbands. The command in regard There is no call* for his interference.
’when we had but one in 1831. The the powers that be, The accepted to this, is given over and over and The word “ let ” is Used here in a gen-
churches all over the land are able, meaning of the text is: Oljey the pow over, and always clearly. “ Wives, . eral sense, as in many other cases :
and in many cases they are willing to- ers that be when their commands do submit yourselves unto your husbands i “ Let him that is on the house-top not
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sustain the faithful evangelists in not conflict with the voice of consci in everything.” “Submit yourselves i come down,” “ Let him that thirsteth
their work, and it is their duty to do ence.
unto your husbands as unto the Lord.” come.” The command concerns wo-
“ Sell all that ye have and give “ As the Church is subject to Christ- ■ .men only, and its interpretation rests
it liberally. ~ ■
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Blit, as I have said, our pioneers alms," is a ptaitf command.' For every so let the- wives be to their husbands i with her. Why should man step in
are nearly all gone. - A few of us are body.to’-follow it is impossible, since, in everything." Plain, forcible, com * between her and her creator ? or even
“ waiting till the shadows are a little if property is sold, somebody must prehensive; yet your minister toli ' ■ between. her ancLPaul ? Surely if her
longer grown.” In Indiana, Bros. buy, and for the head of a family to you that these commands are n<?ver to own reason and conscience may be
Thomas Lockhart, Wm. Wilson and “ sell all" fortlie purpose mentioned ’ie~lbno^ed~wh£n-sucfi~foltowjhg is 'trusted as guides in the many trying~~~~~
myself; Bro. Jas. R. Ross .in IHinois ; would be unjust to his family.
disapproved by your conscience.
exigencies of life, they may also be
iUJi^e to every one that asketh ”
Bro.' John O’Kane in Missouri, and
But, although these and many other trusted here ; r or did the Almighty
Bro. John M. Harris in Oregon, are is another plain command ; but we all texts may, it seems, be interpreted by ■foake woman ’capable of comprehend
about all that retpain of the old know that indiscriminate-charity in the light of reason and conscience and ing every text ot Scripture save this '■
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guard who foughtrthe good fight and jures many who receive it. 1 suppose are not to be taken, literally, there is particular one ? And if so, where has
established the cause of our Master in a millionaire could hardly do a worse one text which we are told must be he indicated that here man’s compre
Indiana in the early days of the Re thing for a place than to proclaim taken literally and literally practiced: hension'shall supply the deficiency?’
there “ I will give to every man that* “ Let your women keep silence in the
formation.
Another curions .part of the matter
But this “ old guard ” did what asketh,” thus taking away that nec church, for it is not permitted/unto is that Paul himself directed hov: a
they could, both with to.ngue and pen, essity of exertion which is what devel them to speak.”
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woman should speak in the church, or,
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I think no person has ev^r told us rather, how she should not—namely,
from the pulpit and the platform, to ops the powers of a man and in fact
enlighten the people, and establish makes a man of him. The conductors why this text is to have a literal “ with her head uncovered.’’” The
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thè cause, and the blessing of God at of*charitable organizations—most of rendering and those others not; but Word used is “ prophesy.” But “proph
tended their labors. Who will* say whom are religious people—beseech the distinction is made. The same esy ” here does not mean foretelling,
that'they-could have done méte with us not to give to every '6jah that ask- men who invite “ a woman to teach ” but speaking from inspiration. “ He
their disadvantages and surroundings, eth. They tell ua that Aiany or these ih adult schools of batn sexes; who that prophesieth edifieth the churches/
But our time of active labor must askers are lazy, unthrifty, improvi- always ask their wives at home before
Yo«rr^ minister spoke truly
In
soon close now, and tbenlloW .joyful dent determined to live in idle depen taking an im portant step ; who would questions of right or wrong, every hu-
will be the reunion in the sweet by | deuce. They say that so long as peo- resist “ the powers that be,” if ordered I man being should decide for himself ■
and by.
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1 pie do " give to every man that ask- by thenj to commit a sin ; who seek i or herself* what is duty. A woman
I send my Christian greeting to eth,” so long will pauperism increase , their “ own ’.’ wealth,.and not “ anoth- may be willing that a man shou > de
Bro. John M. Harris, Bro. Dibble, and ' and laziness find support. The best . er’swho hold fast by “ all that they cide for her; ■ may prefer that he
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all the dear brethren and sisters on and wisest in thè land practice this ■ have,” qnd try to get more ; who sue should; may insist that he should;
the Pacific slope. I am now in my • text as if it were written : “ Do not | at, law the person who “ taketh away i but when it comes to authorityr that
[their] goods,” arid seldonrgive to any ■ of her own rta- n and-conscience J J
73rd year, but I am not superanuated, give to every man that asketh.”
but able for duty yet.
“ Of him that taketh away thy man that asketh;” and take so much supreme.— Independent.
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Fraternally,
goods ask them not again.” But reli thought for their lives as to make the I
How to get GoQd Tomatoes.
J ames M. M athes .
gious people do not hesitate
insist accumulation of property an absorbing '
upon the restoration of goods of which aim ; who “ owe many men and pay .Supposing that the plants arc "well-
,
Miss Ellsworth’s Letter to Lucin they have been unjustly deprived. reluctantly; who would blame th^ grown,
we will begin to stimulate arid
woman
who
obeyed
her
husband
to
do
da.
Their usual interpretation of the text
repress. Water every third day with
jt_ seems to Jae: ‘1 If any man taketh wickedly—these same men, having good, rich liquid manure, all through
BY MRS. A. M. DIAZ.
away thy goods, compel him to restore : walked straight through, or gone the season. This Av ill produce an enor
them and punish him for taking ' around, or jumped over the texts quot- mous growth of new shoots and close
Jfj/ Dear Lucinda:
I ed, find their way completely blocked foliage, and enable the. plant to hear
You ask what I think about the .them.”
' by this one of Corinthians xiv, 34, and well, Nip off* three-fourths of these
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Take
no
thought
for
your
life
texts of Scripture which would place
what
ye
shall
eat,
nor
for
your
body
say : nowF, here ■ is something- which I shoot's, leaving those which bear the
women under subjection to men, “ and
what
ye
shall
put
on.
”
The
much-
can
neither be walked through, nor most flower-buds ; tie the long, heavy
especially about that one which for
abused
tramps
are
about
the
only
gone
around, nor jumped over. “ Let stems up to laths stuck into the
bids women to speak in churches.”
ones
among
us
who
follqw
out
this
geur^
women keep silence in the ground, exposing the fruit to the full
In such matters we naturally look
command
to
the
letter:
Pious
men,
church."
This means exactly what it sun; mulch heavily all around the
for guidance to our religious teachers I
church
members,
ministers
do
“
take
says,
and
must
be strictly followed.
and members of religious bodies. There
main stem for three feet, and thin out
thought
”
for
these
things,
and
seek
If
a
woman
should
ask why must •the fruit where it grows too closely.
is something curious in the way these
I
seem to regard the particular texts you salaries to prevent a lack of them. this be taken literally, and those not ? This thinning out requires an amount
speak of. The same Paul who forbids Some say the command means “ take they can offer no other reason than be of moral courage which few amateurs
women to speak in the church said: no anxious thought;” but if your cause we think Iw. If the woman possess. The fear of not having
“I suffer not a woman to teach.” Yet minister were deprived of his parish says, My reason and conscience do not enough tomatoes is a dreadful feeling;
religious people employ women teach he could hardly help taking anxious tell me to interpret and follow this but, when we once learn that a few
ers. The text may be said to mean thought for the feeding and clothing text literally, they answer virtually:- splendid large fruits are infinitely bet
that women must not teach adults, es of his family, and in these times of Your reason and conscience can guide ter in every way than a great many
pecially adult men. But even thus failures and shrinkages and embezzle you in the interpretation of any other small, ill-shapen ones, we learn to
explained, it is set aside by prominent ments almost any persons having fam text; but here you must lay these look upon the excess as enemies to
religious leaders, who in conducting ilies depending upon them must some aside and be guided by outb . We the plant, exactly as we view the
evening schools for adults of both sex times take thought and anxious think this text phould be interpreted great green wqrms, and then our
es, include women among the teachers .thought, and the strictest religionist literacy, and you must accept our courage comes.
employed. They would smile at the would not condemn this anxious opinion. If she asks, why should 1
Now for seed for next season.
accept your opinion,? the answer can More moral courage and a repression
idea of taking the text literally. Your thought.
own fiiinister, if wishing information *’ Let no man Sfeek his own, but every only be : Because we think that in of that curious longing for the first
on some point in astronomy, would man another's wealth.” Do you know this case you ought to. If asked, why fruits which all amateurs experience
think it right to ask itof Maria Mitch any religious persons who obey this must we do in this case as-you think must govern us, or our seed for next
ell. He would not ask it of you; and rule ? ' Do you know any religious we ought to ? the answer can only be: year Will produce later and weaker
if his question related to zoology, he shopkeeper who asks his customers to Because we think that in this case plants. Select the earliest fine toma
would not probably put it to Maria trade at the shop over the way, rather you ought to do as we think you to ; cut off every other one from the
Mitchell. The accepted meaning of than at his own ? Any religious shoe ought to. They can bring noMrigher same cluster; tie loosely around its
this text seems to be, then that woman maker who entreats people to get their authority, for they have already al stem a white string as as a mark and
must not teach unless she is better in shoes at another shoe-store ? Any reli lowed that the texts making woman grow that particular fruit as if all
gious merchant who hastens to tell his subject to tnyi are not to be followed your future enjoyment of tomatoes
formed than those to be taught.
conscience
tells her other- depended upon it; as it really does.
We find other texts of Scripture fellow-merchants the secret news he when her
z
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wise.
has
received
of
a
riso
in
the
price
of
which are not taken literally by reli-.
When dead-ripe on the vine, pick it
I ought to say here that I have my and at once wash out the seeds and
gious leaders. Paul said ; " Owe no goods ? Any religious lawyers and
man anything.” Not many even of physicians who, in obedience to the self no desire to speak in the chfireh jry thnn’ln the shade’-Jk^Z ew
the stricter sort, obey this to the.let- oomgumd, turn over their cleints or or • in any public place—I should Yorker.
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