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tnunitj, endeavoring to ba candid but fair and helpful
In the development of conertrucllee communtij policy.
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OREGON BUILDS THE CAPITOL
IT haa been reported that Mr. Francis Keally. the
vrlnnlnr architect for Oregon's new atatehouae,
does not think too well of Oregon's project to
docorate that structure with wood murals, espe
cially of the project to carve those murals in woods
native to Oregon. It has been reported of Mr.
Keally that he has said that the new s.fctehouse Is
"his baby" and that he Intends to build it and dec
orate It according to his own artistic ideas.
Before it Is too late there should be a very frank
showdown with the eminent Mr. Keally. Mr. Keally's
relation to the state of Oregon is no different from
that of any other architect to the builder. Ad
mittedly the builder can often be very troublesome.
Admitedly the builder shofild not Interfere with
the architect's Judgment once there has been gen
eral agreement as to the general style and outlines
of the structure.
' But certainly the client has a right to demand
that bis purposes shall be served, and In this con
nection, the criticisms offered recently by Senator
Allan Bynon have been practical. The interior ar
rangements in the original Keally design was far
from good and needs much adjustment to prevent
waste of space and waste of money. And even more
important is the owner's demand that he shall have
the final say as to decorations.
It Is perfectly natural that the architect of the
statehouse should regard the building as his pro
fessional monument. . It is also a monument of the
people of Oregon. And theirs Is the more Important
interest in this connection. It is the people of Ore
gon who will be living with this building, not Mr.
Keally. And with all due respect for his artistic taste
and Judgment, may be observed that no architect
Is In the broad sense of the word the complete ar
tist and It Is not for Mr. Keally to say whether we
are to have wood murals, painted murals, sculpture
or whatnots at any given point for the capltol dec
orations. That, as we have Insisted repeatedly should bo
for an Oregon art commission to determine and we
have plenty of competent artists and critics of art
in Oregon to serve on such an Important commis
sion. It Is for Mr. Keally to design the building,
leaving space for such future decorations and or
naments as the art commission may think best
There Is no reason why there should not be friendly
understandings between the architect and such an'
art commission as to what' type of decorations shall
be used.
But It Is most distinctly not for Mr. Keally to
say that we (hall be barred from using our native
Oregon wood In his precious structure or that we
hall be compelled to use them only where he sees
fit to put them. Nor need we bow meekly to his
dictum that eastern hardwoods are better, or that
we must use Imported stone because it Is a medium
with which he Is more familiar. Nor Is it for the
well known PWA to step In as dictator. After all,
Oregon la putting up 55 per cent of the money and
can put It all up and save if need be.
This capltol Is being built for Oregon by Oregon.
We are NOT without feeling for art In this state.
On the contrary we are quite confident of taste
and discretion, and we are not to be excluded. This
Is the last capltol we shall build for many genera
tions to come; as Mr. Keally himself has said It Is
being built for centuries. We're going to live with
It. It Is time for a little blunt talk between Mr.
Keally and his builders, the people of Oregon.
HERR SCHMELINO COMES BACK.
"Pride goeth before destruction and an
haughty spirit befere a fall."
I P the mighty Joe Louis, the Brown Bomber, re
A members .anything from the preachments of his
Alabama enmp meetings he probably thought of
that line ot Scripture as he reclined on the floor
of Ve ring the other night after his meeting with
that stout hearted Gorman, Hcrr Maxie Rchmellng.
Unquestionably, It was a swelled head which lad to
the black man's downfall, a form of swelling much
more grievous than that applied so skillfully by
Herr Maxla. The negro is Just another victim of too
much publicity and silly adulation.
Tons have been written about Joe Louis as the
unbeatable fighting machine. No man Is more than
a man and no man is unbeatable. There Is much
argument In the sports columns as to whether Joe
Louis was in condition. He may or may not hare
been In Hie pink, physically. Ho certainly was not
prepared In spirit to meet a man who was not
afraid of him. The colored boy manfully demon
started that he could take a beating, but taking a
beating is quite different from fighting hack In
telllgenlly.
Tliero Is much to be learned from sports, and
no sport Is more fruitful In example than that very
rough gams known as boxing, nor has boxing ever
furnished a more magnificent moral than Schmel
lug's victory over the supposedly invincible negro.
Perhaps statesmen should consider the sports
pages: It may be that Schmellng reflects the de
termination of a chastened and re-Inspired Germany.
Pnsslbly some of our own politicians could read
this fistic performance as an omen. Even Mr.
Roosevelt, the gay and Insouciant, might ponder
the lesson:
"No man Is IrSWlblc."
University of Oregon he la especially qualified for
dnty as a member of the civil service igmmission.
If we take the posltit thatwe cannot or must
not use his services merely because he la not a
voting resident of Eugene we are merely cheating
ourselves. What Is wJtye, we are setting up a
precedent v&ch may prevent public service by
other citizens especially qualified for other positions
for there are many able people who do not live
within the corporate limits of the city.
The situation Is different from that where the
o'(Jlce Is elective or of a very general nature where
special qualifications are not so Important. Where'
Ul office la elective, it is quite proper to say that
candidates must come from within the same
boundariej as those which determine the eligibility
of voters, though even here time may bring more
liberal dispensations. In appointments to special
boards or commission, it Is not good sense to say
that an Imaginary lin on the groaed stall stand
between us and the scMt takaat atvoltaate.
Every largo mi graqrfwe etty tftaacr ar War
haa confronts tkiB pvttkvt ef "awn-reriefetwt
izens." Ia meet aragceaslve cKtes, it laa beea agreed
that "residence" is t Merely a matter of where
a maa sleeps and dees his voting but where, he plies
his iHslaess or profession. The question is not
whether the man Is technically a resident of the
community but whether he Is actually by reason
of his Interests and activities. Portland, San Fran
cisco, Chicago, St. Louis and scores of cities where
the "suburban problem" has become acute have
had to liberalize many of their eligibility rulings.
Till Amtrican communities develop some plan
of regional administration, there will always be
these problems. Annexation and the systematic
extension of boundaries on the Los Angeles plan
Is never the final solution. Somebody Is over the
line wherever it Is. People on College Crest and In
West Springfield and out on River Road and up on
the Braes are Just as much Eugeneans as those
who live on Willamette street. The test should be
whether they are members of our community. We
want for all important Jobs the best talent available.
COUNTIES RAISE AN ISSUE.
A LARMED and disgusted were addicts of conserva
Hon and beautlfication when .the first press
dispatches came through from the Roseburg meet
ing of the county officials of Oregon's IS land grant
counties stating:
"A resolution was adopted opposing a bill now
before congress permitting exchange of national
forest timber for privately owned timber land with
six miles of forest boundaries together with author;
Ity for purchase of private timber within the same
limits."
They were shocked to think that members of
county courts, those who by virtue of their official
positions should be familiar with the pressing needs
In , this state for careful conservation' of valuable
timber resources, should show such a disdainful
attitude in an official recommendation.
Particularly they snw the imminent danger of the
destruction of scenic timber along the McKenzie
and SluBlaw highways increased by a move which
appeared to he diametrically opposed to the ends
desired.
It was not until much later thai their fears were
set to rest and they dlscovrH mat the county of
ficials had not "let them down" after all, but had
merely imposed a .condition demanded by good
business.
What the counties demand Is that the federal
government make some provision for paying to the
counties the taxes which should be forthcoming If
the land remained In private ownership and was not
acquired by the government.
It is a sensible stipulation and one which goes
straight to the heart of the whole conservation
problem. ,
Not only is the matter of taxation the bugbear
of this particular situation but, more than that, It
is hte most difficult single obstacle to surmount In
effecting one of the greatest of all conservation at
temptssustained yield for all forest lands.
The sustained yield policy is basically sound. It
calls, among 'other things, for selective logging in
stead of wholesale butchering of timber and for
cutting according to annual growth. It would put"
forests on the plane of a crop which it in reality Is.
Paramount in such a policy must be the taxation
problem. Owners cannot be expected to pay taxes
on the same basis as at present. Operators now
have to cut timber clean In order to get a return
on their investment. Likewise the lax return to
the counties must be worked out In some equitable
manner.
Inadvertantly or not, the officials at Roseburg
touched upon an important point and shoved It
nearer to Congress which must face squarely the
tnsk of redesigning a good part of the nation's tax
structure if .desirable conservation is ever to come
to the aid of rapidly vanishing resources.
THE COVERED BANDWAGON
SAFETY PROGRAM
fFHE Society of Automotive Engineers, having had
A a great deal to do with the kind of motor cars
we drive today, now comes forward with an inter
esting six-point program designed to make It safe
to operate these vehicles.
The englnocrs would require a uniform and
IN THE EDITOR'S MAIL BAG
i universe license law, based on physical and mental
tests: enforcement methods that would Identify the iaiil that on such a lnrgc burned space
rpHK tuolmWal quibble which 1ms uf footed the
A eligibility or Wayne U Morse to serve us a
membnr of the Eugene civil service commission
wives to illustrate aproblem which will become
more Irritattns as trc commm' grows and as
people unread out Into territory beyond the city's
corporate limits. It Is to be hoped that tho city
council in thin case will sot the precedent of lib
eral interpretation of the question as to who is
or is not a member ot the Eugene community.
Dean Morse lives out on College Crest mainly
because he is a lover of horses and it is not con
venient to have horses within tho city. In every
other activity he Is identified Inseparably with this
city. Recause of his special training and because
ot his position as dean ot the law school at th
TO SUFFERERS
JTUGENE, Ore. (To the Editor)
A fw recent experience in our
home life prompts this letter with a
desire to give a little help to others
who may rend. It seems an epidemic
ef exceedingly eore throat is preva
lent junt now and recently exper
ienced jt myself. I wish to extoll the
merits of strong salt water as a
gargle and when I ay "strong" I
mean just that. Down through the
years when such occasion presented
itself I had. like many other people
have done, ueed calt water along with
other gargles but would never in se
vere attacks be able to conquer the
trouble so I loe-t faith in salt water.
My trouble was in lack of knowledge
and perhaps being a bit of a "siss?"
about using real salt water strong
enough to do the work until recently.
I beenmc ill and there was no joking
about it with a sore throat. My
daughter became very ineistant that I
try really strong salt water, the pro
portions of about 1 heaping teaspoon
salt and Va teaspoon baking soda in
two-thirds ordinary cup of hot water.
tried it and it tasted like strong brine
but say! The first gargle brought
instant relief. I gargled every hour
until midnight irith relief each time,
then continued it next day and really
conquered what had been one of the
sorest throat attack I had experi
enced In years and did so in twenty
four hours time. I believe It will do
the some for others if they will make
their gurgle strong enough with salt
and then use it faithfully.
The next but not the least in im
portance its another home remedy
this time for burns. Simply apply the
white of egg generously to the burned
part and a wonderful soothing relief
from intense pain is immediately ex
perienced. Repeat the -applications
until complete relief is obtained which
will be fcoon. Egg ia mucilageous and
entirely excludes the air which is
good. At timfs when I have read or
heard of someone being severely
burned I have wished I could get near
them with all the eggs I needed at my
command and bad the privilege of
ministering to them. Just as mj
mother did one summer when vaca
tioning in the mountains in southern
Oregon, for a little tot that had fallen
in the fire. No doctor waa near and
something hod to be done immediately.
Fortunotely there was a goodly sup
ply of effss in store and mother re
membered having seen me stop in
stantly the crying of my little fellows
at home with egK when they had been
burned. So ?he applied eug repeatedly
to the body of that poor little suf
fering baby, gently binding it on with
strips of the best materials at hand.
And had the great pleaaure of ereing
the relief it. waa giving to tho little
sufferer. When the doctor did get
there he said It was the best thing
she c on 11 possibly have done. Also
accident repeater and the habitual offender: uni
form and compulsory periodic inspection of ve
hides; uniform national traffic signs and signals;
uniform standards for headlighting, reflectors, iden
miration, etc.: and finally adequate highway light
ing. At a time when the movement for the safe
use of motor vehicles is sweeping tho country, this
six-point program ought to prove important aa a
working basis for whatever reforms are brought
about in dKWnR.
land in case of shortage of eggs, the
and kept it saturated for five minutes
and then gently bound the wet cotton
on. This treatment gave, him the
quickest relief of anything I know of.
Try this. MAUD A. BALL,
452 W. 10th Ave.
SUNDAY LESSON
Jesus was crucified, dead and buried
As was prophesied years before.
He arose from the tomb resurrected,
And alive for evermore.
He arose with a glorified body
That could resist material things.
He talked and ate as usual
As the message uf peace He brings.
The disciples going to Emmaus
And the dieciples locked in a room
Were terrified when they saw Jesus
They thought Him asleep in tlu tomb.
"Behold My hands and My feet"
Jesus was alive, not dead.
"For a spirit bath not flesh and bones
As ye see Me have!" He said.
"And when He had thus epoken
He showed His hnnds and His feet.
While they yet believed not for joy
He said, have ye here any meat?
They gave Him a pieee of broiled fish
And of-an honey comb.
Ho took it and did eat before them"
As He had often done in their home.
Scripture in Moses, Prophets or
Psalms
"Which were written concerning Me
Must, be fulfilled." He told them.
And He opened their eyes to, see.
Thus it behooved Christ to suffer
And to rise from the dead the third
day:
Thnt repentance unrl remission of sins
Be preached. There is no other way.
"And ye are witnesses of these
things."
On His disciples He must rely.
"But tarry in the city of Jerusalem,
Until endued with power from on
high."
"And while He blessed them
He waa parted from them," as fore
told. He went to heaven, they to Jerusalem.
And tarried as they were told.
They tarried in Jerusalem and prayed
Until they received the power
To preach as the Spirit lead
Every day and every hour.
The gospel spread from Jerusalem
In all directiona over the world.
In every civilized nation
Christ's banner is unfurled.
ELLA HAYDEX.
"TOYS CHARACTER"
tTTTGENE, Ore. (To the Editor")
The crusade against children play
insr with toy sun, inaugurated in Chi,
cngo by the Parent-Teacher Congress,
should have consideration by every
loyal citizen. This Conjrress is send
ing out pamphlets over the state,
quoting David Lee Wharton's descrip
tion of the "seven ages of a ganitster.'
First the infant contnjj over the shin-
tntr little ciin nii-nn t',m 1W Ui
"",5 Jfc "Sn,M.. mjl the r.vr with the cap pistol;
could be u.ed. The eg draws the lhr ,,d with his firil, nir rifl ,,,,
burn from the flech and the beat will!. .,,..,, fr.lln-..i hr th. ... .i
Delniti9cs Investigating WPA workers reveal
Hiey "have uncovered only tjirec c-s of political
solicitation and activity." activity" is
hard to believe. "
Minnc-iou scientist revea.iT) that (n) flat chest
be a sign of intelligence. That sigh is Musso- .kept it saturated ocafionally, which
make the eeg tbiii.('here should then
be a fresh npplicntion made of it.
Plfnse just try this remedy the nait
time yii or your little ones experience
an unpleasant burn, for all burns are
unplensnnt whether Mitnll or htrgc.
One more remedy. Witch hazel for
all torts of Insect atinga. Jwt sir
ate and bind up the stung part with
generous applications of witch hszel
and instant soothing relief will follow.
Not only the stingH of ineccts but
awoilen, frveneh sprained Jointa from
accidents or infections will be greatly
relK'Tetl and even conquered with
i witch haiel. A recent cut on myjin
gf r became angry anil inflamed I
.lust hound it with witch hazel and
and the full fledged gnneter with the
machine gun :and finally the con
demned man walking to the gallows.
Now small boys are thrilled with
toy machine guns tending out eparka
with rapid shots. And some of these
youngsters have been caught watch
ing passengers alight from busses,
following and intending to "hold up-'
prospective victints. Judge Br'aude, of
the Chicago Boys' court, having much
experience in confiscating knives,
Mzors, etc., from youthful despera
does, declares the toy gun instills into
children a spirit that leads to delia-
quency and crime tendencies. In re'
cnonse to an appeal by him for mer
chants cooperation in suppressing the
display and snle of this menace, a
company official ordered the 200
Woolworth stores in Chicago to stop
selling toy guns. Other merchants
shelved them; saying, "If they are not
displayed the sale le greatly dimin
ished." People buy, especially toys,
what they see.
"The race goes forward on the feet
of little children; if the children stag
ger the race is doomed." So let us
strive every way to direct them aright.
Three other things have added to
delinquency and crime.. First, the
automobile tends to create an atti
tude of personal independence and die
regard for other'a rightc, and pro
vides easy escape from results. Sec
ond, Movies have familiarized chu
dren with every phase of crime. The
gangster's life is portrayed in every
detail. The hnbits of the underworld
lawlessness is fully pictured. The
harmful educational results cannot be
exaggerated. Third: The defiance of
alcohol laws. The alliance of co-called
respectable people with the under
world is a Berious aspect. Bootleg
gers, racketeers and moral vice could
not flourish, were tbey not patronized
by "respectable people.
Indifference to law is a terious
disease in American life; and there
inuet be an awakening of our citizens
to a new sense of obligation for loyal
citizenship, law abiding character and
a larger measure of economic justice,
if our nation is to be preserved.
LAURA TRACHSL,
of this belief I wish to coll ycur at
tention to the Independent dairyman,
the majority of them are able to buy
new delivery cara every year or ao,
equip them with radioa, etc., keep up
nice looking pjeaaure cart, which is
exactly as it should be, every one
should be entitled to at least tint
mucn.
But how about the producer who
hat to deliver his milk to the creamer
ies? Evidently je ia not so pros
peroua. One producer who haa
baa lti better Ibuu avcrugo cows this
gross return on the wkcle herd last
month was less than $140.00. If yuu
subtract his cost for feed, transpor
tation and other necessary expenses
he) will only have about $40.00 left
to buy food, clothing, pay the doctor,
the dentist, keep up his insurance.
He is on about the hams basis as the
$44.00 a month WPA mau.
How about the consumer? The man
with three or more children? He is
tha large consumer or should be. Even
at the present price of milk, he, in
a great many Instances, cannot afford
to buy the amount bf milk neceasary
to maintain his children's health. I
personally know of one family of six
children, all under ten years old, who
only get one quart of milk a d:iy
while the milk pool and creameries
dump (Quoting one producer, thous
ands of quarts a day down the sewer).
There ia only one remedy that I can
see as the creameries will not be
satisfied with a reasonable profit, the
remedy that I would suggest is a pro.
ducer and -consumer coopcrotive in
which tho producer and consumer
jointly, either buy one of the cream
eries already operating or build and
equip a modern plant of their own,
ruu it on the RocLdalo principle, di
viding the profit equally between the
producer and the consumer, it h.ia
been done elsewhere, why not in I.anc
county? Tho producer would get .more
for hia milk and yet the price to the
consumer would be considerably less.
In the meantimo I would suggest
if tho price raises as expected thnt
overy one use as little bottled milk
as possible conslstant with good
health. Use canned milk which is
much cheaper rven ut ihi present
price.
Anyone intercEtiil in the coopera
tive iden please get in touch with me
at 121 North Washington street,
Eugene, fire,
HARRY H. JOHNSON.
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lh.""glt, out a hoT,!;
Pa rearh.d
Remored . ki. ..." Hi 1
Th
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' quiet
--. p tat bin.
At last W(, tMck .
And stpiwd , , ''''
leaned aiS;
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And watched
gentle
the
"GOING FISHING."
MILK
PUGENE, Ore. (To the Editor)
It was brought to my attention
by a milk producer that the Milk
Control board intimdr. to raise the
price of milk in the Euger.o district
1 cent per quart July 1. It was his
opinion and also my own that the
producer is not getting a fair price
for bis milk. We alro agree that the
consumer is paying plenty. In support
Williams
SPLIT TOP
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SAVE 30
Metropolitan Store
735 Willamette
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:.i deflating when he heard the news.
A foreign nation has paid its debt to the Standard
Oil In mouth organs, but America Itself still has to
whistle.
A soft answer turneth away wrath, but not If Its
"Ouesi who's calling."
gave not only Instant soothing relief
, but within a few hours the finger was
very much better and of cmiree cured
rlnht up. And juet today the littlest
! fellow In our family got bis fingers
i caught in the car door. Moot every
one in this day knows what that
' means. As quickly.- a his mother
j could d" an she laid bit little hand on
cotton and flooded It with Hitch hazel
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One-half Million Dollars
to Yen Line County
We urge you to spend this
money wisely and spend it at
home.
Shelton-Turnbull (). Fuller Company
We got tfp Sunday morning
With spirits soaring high.
Hunted up our fifhing tacklo
And glanced up at the sky.
We're going for an outing
Way off iii the woods;
tt said in last night's paper
The fiah were biting good.
At last ire all are ready.
The car is loaded full.
Pa throws a rope around it all
And gives a hearly pull.
He's got H tied securely,
At least that's what he said.
Then Willie jumped up on it.
And fell off on his head.
With lots of squenlts und rattles
We started down the rood.
Ad trees s n.L '"
n Willie lost hi,?.
-Vd wh w J
a Join, flat.
i'n pumped it up ,7
lh" ma she ,tw "
The baby
She ., TV" ,m ta
She, aid ,h, wanted p.
T P'-ase Put tip ihi top
At last we started off ,uk
reach our de8li.,
When J.mmie ,,, icf
. a service ".
iH",!","1"1"'
. ; . i m hus' ""i
JI'dst ad the people ihf.
And then we Mtd li!hi
e waded half the div
la caught three me.slj W
threw them al
WI'.''",ll0,"t'ilwehad,,,tW
..." 811 o" acnes and pain
"' """ """'Mr streak of hA-
-v otuncu m to rain.
Our house It sure looked
" "r" it ue into oor ji:kt
ine kuis were tired and hrap,,
,u,iru 111 (0 ujnt.
But everybody liked the trip
We always like to roam
When we decide to p aria
I think I'll stay at Inn..
-DORAS VAX TuH
FOOT CURE?
We sure do travel 'rerad li
Guess we been most mrtlm.
n s on account o( Dafl,
His health ain't none too lofli
i
He has trouble with bis loot
Gets to itchin' somethia' tmib'.t
otrnn helps it cept to move,
That helps it for I time.
But pretty soon the sane oil tit
Ketches up with him a;iin
And there ain't nothin' for it
'Cept to pack and more atiin.
Though since we came to Orf;oa
His foot s ouit wtberin' him
Ann T guess we're goin' to atay
Till the itchin' starts atli!
A. CORK.
Trade
in your old Refrigerator, Piano, Washer, Ranp,
Rugs, Davenports, or Furniture
Pay the balance $5.00 a month
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