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i i i ., J. i i DEFIANCEC DIRECTED . AT IRISH TREATY f Continued from pare 1.1 form of Colonel Sir Samuel Hoare, who moved the reply to the speech from the throne. Speech himple Narration It was not ari oration like that 'of October 31, when the premier, having been challenged, presented the alternatives of war or negoti ations with Ireland and won by a division overwhelmingly favoring the government's policy; his rolo today was of one simply narrating the problems faced by the delega tions, with a description of the way they were handled. Early in hl3 address, he el lenced those inclined to interrupt him. When an Ulster member in terrogated him on "allegiance" he having said that the rtatus of Ireland was that of a r.ee state with allegiance to the kins, b turned and faced the Clsterite and declared emphatically: Interruptions StopK-d "Yes, allegiance to the king and shearing allegiance to the king."! He then asked the members to refrain from interruptions. He was deeply impressive as he came near the end. when in sol emn manner, he drew a picture of the British imperial war cabinet, at which a vacant chair was wait ing for Ireland and looked to the future when England's fear would be Ireland's anxieties and England's victory, Ireland's joy, Lloyd George when he entered the house, was received with a storm of cheers. He was cheered again as he rose to speak on the agreement. No agreement ever concluded between two peoples had so universal a welcome, he declared. No Humiliation Son every member of the commons not to say a word to make the task of the Irish advocates for ratifi cation more difficult. Cheering broke out again when he made this statement. "These Irish leaders, he con tinued, were fighting to make1 peace between two great races de signed by providence to work to gether In partnership and friend ship. "Iet us help them." he said. Lloyd George said th-re were many peculiar Irish diflicilties ever, do not mean that we do not contemplate that Ireland should not later take her share in the defense of these isles and her coast by defending it and helpin? to defend ours." he added. "We should welcome hei co-opera tion." Maintaining that the goern-j ment had stood by Its pledge not to coerce l ister, the premier ex plained that had not precluded them from trying to persuade 11- ster to enter an all-Ireland parlia- i TO HUNT BIG GAME IN JUNGLE. ment. The T'ster leadirs had Special Friday-Saturday 4 Acts- 4 VAUDEVILLE At Picture Prices BLIGH mm position was analogous to that or ! ?!t0,n spo?en ,f.the unitv of lT2 no other dominion. Everv other ' land a lhe u!,,mire "iea!. dominion had its war debt and I Alluding to Ulster s opinion on pensions, he added, and if that i ,he retention of her existing sta had not been dealt with the Irish 1 tas with a change in the bonn- The agreement, said the pre-'alone wouIl have come out of th ! lail's. he asserted Ulster desired m i r iiui i i ri i f ii nrn o en in r-' i iiii iinitiri uim - ' n; r . i n ' i was the difficulty arising from as an undoubted majority of the; deeply rooted religious aminos t . ! people of two of Mn northern so exaggerated that fears had f counties would oerfer t; bo with f their southern neighbors. Ulster would have trouble at her own doors. Two Methods Cited Dealing with methods of rut ting the acreement into operi :iO!i. he said there were two ways Satern. Miss Lulu GonelruS. Mss Edna Johnson. Miss Lena Barton. Miss Esther Grace, Mrs. Helmar Ku?. Mr. and Mrs. Samuel Tro- Mr. and Mrs. Arthur Madsen. Mr. Keener and Jimmy Keester returned from Portland Tuesday morning. Mrs. Maude Cosho of Boise. Ida is isiting at the home of hvr par ents, Mr. and Mrs. J. Larcent. Mr--. Cosho wilt remain at Silver ton until after the holidays. George Glazier of Poitland is LTV ,V- , T - - ' , . i . niier, had receivid wider publicity than probably any treaty with the exception of the treaty of Ver sailles. The treatv h cnnt:inn(t had been received in every quarter j be dealt with as facts. He said with fcatisfaction and relief. lie noticed that it had geen cr'ticised in "some quarters as a humiliation to Great Britain and the empire but the dominions of the crown were not in the habit of rejoicing over humiliation to an empire for which they had sacrificed so much. The .premier said some of. his co'leagues had taken greater risks than he did in signing the treaty and that the part they played would be remembered with honor. He was cheered when he maue the statement that th-e were men on the other side who also took risks. The risks they took, he said were only becoming too manifest in the conflict raging in Ireland at the moment. Cheers King Anew Mr. Lloyd George said he would not say a word and he appealed to one 01 ine greater questions was the peculiar position of North Ire laud which had wrecked every previous proposed settlement. Status T.'vplaiiHMl With the reference to th oues- tion of allegiance to the crown, he j of iea'ing with the necessary in said he would reply fully later, j trrregnui.i--the first a statu- nao. contenting himself with the state- '--hif h would ho undesirable, nient that there had been com- Therefore it was proposed that a plete acceptance of allegiance to ! provisional government be es'a''- the British crown, acceptance ofjjshed until a responsib'e govern-1 niriiiuen-uip in me empire and ac- nlont roU!d h- arrante:) vhn the i ceptance of common citizmshiD. Alluding to domonion status, he declared if full and complete do minion status had been conferred. Ireland would have had power to raise any army or navy she liked. How could Great Britain have pur sued a policy of disarmament if Ireland had been thus able to raise possibly a half million men. ha said. A Merry will be the result if you make the proper gift. Wc have Leather Goods, Books, Stationery, Educational Games, Novelties,' Pictures, ' ' Cards and many others. May we assist you in the selection of that gift Commercial Book Store War Kxiterlenes Cited That was an international ob jection. Besides, if Ireland had been entitled to raise large forces, northern Ireland would have been driven to imitate the south in its own protection. It was undar such menacing i ircumstances that conflicts were likely to arise and It was des'fabfe 'n the interests of the empire, the world and Ireland itself that there should be limi tation. It was impossible to leave the 'government responsible for law and order without a certain number of armed forces and the limit was set not bevond what was needed for this purpose. In justifying the naval provis ions he argued that the experi ence of the war had shown how vHal Ireland was to the security of the I nited Kingdom. There fore, h3 contended. It was impos sible to allow an ordinary domin ion status to operate, although ne agreea ireiana would never be likely to raise a formidable fleet. lister Xot Coerced 'Provisions of the treatv, how- roR HEALTH VIM IJ HI Ml I'M VIGOB AND VITALITY 0OATlSHI:ei OAND TABLETS MAF.J5 OR FEMAX.K Pamphlet Fro os reequeM. As lor WELCH'S the ORIOr NAl.. BEWARE OF IMITATIONS and fcUHSTJTUTKH. WELCH DRUO CO., 184 tons St.. Dept. H, San Francisco. At iriS.-.ilif till, Ammt jzx&fa WmMm. Give SERVICE crown forces wou'd be wiihdrawn. Renlvin to criti-istns that the a?reeniit was a s--'irren('.e:". he asked was it to h contended thst no rebellion could be settisd by pacific means. 'If the terms are cood." he continued. ' are we never to ne gotiate with rene's? In the rrss ent case who else could we have negotiated with?" The commons were the last authority ia the world to main tain that argument. The most ruthTss repression of an Irish insurrection, he declared, was ef fected bv the greatest English rebel in history, leading an army of rebels on behalf of a rehel government to Irishmen to who had rallied to their legitimate sovereign. JWIinR Shown by Premier There were difficulties in con nection with the rebellion in Ire land, which when one came to disentanpie them, it would be bet ter not to say too much about The s;ime arguments were used with regard to the settlement with Canada, and the bill was called the "rebels' reward bill," but it brought a half mi'lion valiant men to the aid of Great Britain in her greatest struggle. In conclusion he sketched with considerable warmth of expres sion all the agreement would achieve, saying: 'We have won by it a people of deep and passionate loyalty. Ireland's chair at the last impe rial war cabinet was vacant. It would be taking too hopeful a view of the future to imagine that the last peril of the British emire has passed. Whenever dan ger does arise, I am glad to know Ireland will be by our side. 1 hope that the old motto, 'Eng land's danger is Ireland's oppor tunity,' will acquire a new mean ing the meaning the dominions I gave it in 1914 that our fears will be her anxieties, our victory her Joy." . ' i lilfaiirtAn A'ift WrtifcWfcMflMwMMOl "rfiift T'lfriil'trffi I mwi inl'TI - fT li hin -i ': Vrr -iMii wni' 4 . 'y-'i "! J" H.I-H HHIH. .IJI Hf-i.j nun --t---p-----W---T------ M If : ' ' 111 Iff . IK I lit .. V","- v.: -"' : ' Jt If -, ,r ( n r$f. . ' f !! . mi . mm II - if f- - J n 111 ,rv- fWy w ' ; - - v 1 ;v i if li -- ts;v v r v -rf. .n,f,,. m'-A.rfVir t, plnl.'Mi - .-..T.... AW-. . .-W..... I&mI spciulins a lew days at the M., J. Ma4seu home thla week..- .. Read The Classified Ads. REX? IS COMING; Buy Your Tickets This Afternoon TONIGHT'S The (Might Grand Also A ONE ACT COMEDY DRAMA Written by C. S. 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He expected to witness a vindication of the agreement nut only by its contents bu; by its consequences, "by a peaceful and contented Ireland.' He stated that the final court of ai peal for 'reland wou'd h'11 be the privy council. Lord Cur zom interjected: "Where is that provided for?" Lord Curzon replied that it possibly was not mentioned in the provisions, but it was inherent in the proposed status. Carson Sarcastic Lord Carson then rose to op pose the agree.ment. He describee'. the debate as "the splendid ob sequies of the misguided unlon'st party and fuueral oration to cover up defeat and the mutilation suffered in Iie'and." He declared there had tiver been a greater outrage attempted on constitu tional liberty than was now being attempted by the coalition gov ernment. The government's stage man agement had been perfect, he con tinued, but they would not dare to ask the country what it thought of the so-called settlement terms, which were accepted by the gov ernment with a revolver pointed at their heads and because the Sinn Fein with its army had beat en them. It was said that the reason the government was tin able to suppress crime in Ireland was gecause they had neither the money nor the men. That was an awful admission to make. Huikniaster Appeal From beginning to end there was nothing in the agreement ex cept that "England, beaten to her knees by the guns of assassins said she was willing to scuttle Ireland." Lord Buckmaster hoped that the agreement would be ratified because he did not desire the gov ernment to appeal to the country for, if so, they would be returned to power, and he thought that for the sake of good government the coalition should end at the ear liest moment possible. Oi-finition Held Dangerou With regard to dominion status Mr. Lloyd tiporge said it was dif ficult and dangerous to give a definition. "When I read a statement at the request of the imperial con ference to this house concerning what passed at our gathering." the premier declared, "I pointed out the anxiety of the dominion premiers not to have any rigid definition. We realized the dan- ions were to ourselves, what their powers were and what were the limits of the crown powers. It is something that has never bscn limited by any act of parliament, even in this country. All we can say is whatever measures of free dom dominion status gives Cana da, Australia and South At'rica. they are extended also to Ireland. There will be a guaranty in the mere fact that the status is the same and that wherever there i an attempt to encroach on the rights of Ireland, every other do minion will feel that, its own posi tion is being put in jeopardy. No Internal Interference "Dominion status means, in practice, complete control . over their own internal affairs without any interference from any other part of the empire. They are the rulers of their own hearths and the representative of the sovereign will act on the advice of the do minion ministers." Dealing with reference to the alleged surrender of the govern ment to rebellion in Ireland, Mr. Lloyd George said t iie best answer to that was the effect the agree ment has had throughout the whole of the civilized world, not ably in the dominions. Continu ing, he said the prestige of the empire had been enormously ex panded and given fresh strength and equal rights will be given in the control of the foreign policy of the empire. Except for a Sinn Fein flas draped with crepe and hunt; from a telephone polo, the only ei dt'ece of propaganda against rati fication outside University college, where the sessions were heid, were members of the Communist party in Ireland, who endeavoretl to distribute pamphlets urging re jection ot the treaty. Members of the Irish Republican army dis persed the Communists and con fiscated their literature. CHAMBERS & CHAMBERS FURNITURE STORE SILVET0N NEWS Dial Meet Si-crciar.v DUBLIN, Dec. I f. f 3y T!u Associated Press) The quetii-i of ratification or rejection of th" i Irih agreement made at London i was debated today at a public ; meeting of the Dail and later a" two secret sessions. Another secret session is to be held tomorrow. At the public meeting Eanionn De Vaiera. the president, and Ar thur Griffith, Michael Collins and other Dail deputies txpressed their views as to whether the Irish delegation to London had exceed ed its powers in signing the agree ment with the British cabinet. Division S!mn De Vaiera and members of the : delegation were sharpiy divided ! on the question. De Vaiera con tended that the treaty should not have been signed without its hav ing first been referred to the Dub lin parliament; Delegates Griffith and Collins insisted that they and their colleagues had the power in vested in them to sign an agree ment, but not the authority to conclude it. Mr. Griffith asserted that the representatives of the Dail Kireann and of the British cabinet were in identical positions as each was obligated to refer the treaty to their respective legisla tures for ratification. Both Mr. Collins and Mr. Grif fith resented a statement of Presi dent De Vaiera that the delega tion had not obeyed the instruc tions of the Dublin cabinet. Collins Callcil fiaitor i nave vcv lx. vin u c li amI i j. exclaimed Mr. Collins. " Let the I Irish people decide whether I am i or not." S Speculation over the possibility of a serious rift in the two fac tions centered in the secret ses sions. The first lasted from 1 un til 2 p. m. Then after a rt-c-ss. the deputies reassembled at 1 :",. The secret meeting was confin ed to animated discussion of how far the plenipotentiaries were jus tified by their instructions in signing a treaty with Great Brit ain, without having resubini; t d the treaty to President De Vaiera I and his cabinet. Mr. Griffith quietly, and Mr. Collins with some heat, in the public session, resented any sug gestions that they had failed to carry out their instructions or that they had exceeded them. The opinion among merntxTs 'if the Dail Kireann tonight on the question of acceptance or rejec tion seemed more evenly divided than had t?cn expected. All ; parently were agreed that ulti mate responsibility would :e:;t with tho country. Kloriors May Decide It is considered nossible that the members of the Dail, after' having expressed their individual SIIA'ERTON, Ore.. Dec. 14. I Special to The Statesman) -Miss Marie TinglosUid entertained the Trinity Sewing Circle Tuesda . night at her home on Liberty hill. Mrs. L. M. Larsen was re-elected president; Miss I.'ili Gople rud, vice-president; Miss Mamie Hoiman. terasurer: Miss Marie Corhouse, assistant treasurer; Miss Mable Evans, secretary; Miss Cora Satern. assistant secretary. Those w ho were present Tues day evening were Mrs. Esther Weaver. Mrs. Emma Reynolds. Mr. and Mrs. p.. Sur.dvold. Mr. and Mts. G. I'nderdahl. Mrs. Ma rie P-uness. Alfred Jensen, Mr. and Mrs. Adolph Hansen, Mr. and Mrs. Oscar Satern. 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