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t . 1 i r THE' OREGON DAILY JOURNAL, PORTLAND, WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER -11, 1916. . g - :' BEES WELCOME NEW BRINGING UP FATHER By Gebrge McManus CoprrtiM. mt. lafarmattomal Hews Beslatered la Cnitad tstea Pataat offle. EVERY MOftMlH t iWiS; THE CLUEb Ot - . - OH! XEb VHAT WMO OF EV.ERCS LIFT DOMC-5EU--bOX-JUMP ruh A COUPLE. OF THEtS - ET UP! YOO KEEP SO WELL- I ilpp-sr VAi i nn WORN IN' DO TOO TAKE, 9 MARVELOUS EXtRCbE A r?EST BY WINNING CONTEST MOURi DEAL MLC- y Paul Fittery Pitches Good Ball '-"and His Teammates Get ! -' Enough Hits to Win Game THE SCORE WAS .5 TO 3 71m ?'k Pulled Qama Out of the Tlx Whan Paul Blew Up la the Slgnth. MANAGER BERNHARD MARVELOUS - JUMP mh RUN L J A. COUPLE. OF i a i . "v i I If Pacific Coaat League. Won. 1st Anftelea 'Vernon 1"7 Portland 7 Ran KrancUco H'l Malt Lake (,'aklaml 05 Iot. 72 7h h; Ii! !2 rvt. .'! ..'.'.8 .5w) ') .4S(( .340 Salt Lake, Oct. 11. (P. N. 8.) The Tiers won a game of la 1 1 for their new boea, "8arah" Bernha:J, yesterday aft ernoon and for all the world acted like a real ball club. Paul Flttery pitched . gilt-edged ball for seven and two thirds Innings and stood the Heaver elouters on th:r oars. When ho not Into trouble. Hlter that JlnvPaik gulled hie Kume out of the flre for htm by Mtrtktng out Jack Roche with the bases loaded. Manager Hernhard toolc charge of the club Immediately on the boys" re turn from the last road trip, although he wan not In uniform. "He In. nursing a Blight attack of malaria and there fore came out clad In a big overcoat, i Two hits, a Beaver hoot and Ulsla aon'a double gave Halt Lake three runs Jn the second and Rath's sacrifice, with Kvana' kick, added another in the aame frame. Downey's walk, an infield out and lottery's single sent over the fifth Salt Lake run. Klttery held the Heavers helpless .until the eighth and then, after the Visitors had rung up three and the 'bases were loaded with two down, Jim Park fanned Hoc-he, and finished the next Inning without any further trouble. Thu seore: I'UUTI.ANn. Alt. It. II. TO. A. .. Katm. r,b 4 1 2 2 2 3 Vaujrbn. 2b 3 o l 2 H 0 Rmitbwortli, If 4 0 1 2 1 0 Will, rf 4 o I) 1 1 Nlinu, if 4 ii o o 0 Itoebe, c :i o l o o , lt(lrer, lb 3 1 2 O .1 . Ward, 4 ) 1 2 2 0 Hr.german, p 2 n o i tl i Houek, p o o Obrlen 1 1 Iloutber, p 0 O o ( 1 O fl O 0 Toti la 32 3 It :i 1J SALT LAKE. AB. II. II. TO. r. t t 2 GUIafton. 3b. KMh, 3b. . . l'.rlef, lb. . . Kj.n, If. . . (Quintan, ef. Kblnn, rf. . lloanej, as. llaunah, c. Klttery, p. . Parka, p. .. ... 4 . . . 4 ... 4 ... 3 ... 4 . . . 3 ... 0 o Totala 33 5 8 27 13 o ' Battfd for Hagerman In eighth. l'ortlaud 0 0 0 0 ) 0 0 3 0 3 Hlta 10 2 1 1 0 0 3 O H Bait Lak 0004 0 1 00 6 Hit! . 2 3 0 0 0 2 1 0 H Two bane hit (ilulmton. Quintan. Rndcers. Sacrifice blt Hnth. Park. Stolen buses It y a ii. Qnlnlnn. Iliuex tin ballx Off linker man 3, off Ulifbee 1, o'f Klttery 4. .ff I'.irn 1. htrurk out II y Ilaxeraian 2. by Klttery 1. Iit Park 2. Klve runs, 8ablt, 27 at bat off HaRpraian In aeren Inuhtr. no runs, no bltji, 1 at" bat off Illgbee pitching to one miin' xvlioiu he walked; 3 runa, 8 hlta, 28 at bat off Fittery in 7 2-3 InnliiK. Kuna responsible for finger nun 3, KHterv 3. Credit victory to Flttory. Charge defeat to llagrrmao. I-ft n bases Portland 7, Salt Lake 8. Passed bull Knehe. Klrst base on errora Salt Ijike 4 . Double plH.v--VN'ord t' VaugliD to Rods ' fa. VauKhn to Ward to flodgers, WIMe to Ibwhe. lilt by pltelur Klttery and Brief by I utterman. Time of eame 1:51, duplies s le null I'll le. Wlum writing or calling on advertisers, ei'Ht mention Tbe Jour mi I. fAilv.) New Hat for Your Approval. We arc in a position to show ou every thing that's new in Men's Hats. Stetaon . . $4 and $5 Trimble . .$4 and $5 Multnomah $3 Coming our o F course you arc. to see the new fall in Hart Schaffner & Marx Clothes you'll have a fine chance today, because the bijsshowin of suits and overcoats is just in. We'll be glad to show you. ? Sam'l Rosenblatt & Co. The Men's Store for Quality and Service i-Y; - Batting Averages In World's Series Including yesterday's game the averages re: BOSTOIT. AU. K. II. dainor 1 0 1 Shorten 4 0 3 Hooper 14 3 4 Walker 7 1 2 Scott 9 1 2 Janvrln 14 1 3 Lewis 10 0 2 Hohlltzel 11 2 2 Gardner 12 1 2 Thomas 0 1 (ady 1 0 0 Walsh ...... 3 0 0 Ruth 0 0 Shore 4 0 0 McNally 0 1 . Ilendrickson .0 1 o Mays 1 0 n Foster 1 0 0 PC. 1.000 .750 .288 .286 .222 .214 .200 .182 .167 .143 .ono .000 .000 .000 .000 .ooo .000 .000 .212 Totals .101 11 BROOXJVrHV AB. R. H. Tot. rreffer 1 0 1 1.000 Stenerel 7 2 3 .49 Ol-Kon 10 1 4 .400 J. Meyers 3 o 1 .333 Coomhs 3 0 '1 .333 Johnston .... 6 0 2 .333 Wheat 11 2 3 .273 llaubert 13 1 3 .231 II. Meyers 14 1 3 .214 Smith r. 0 1 .200 Mowrcy 11 2 2 .1S2 Miller 8 0 1 .125 Cutshaw 13 I 1 .077 Marquard 2 0 0 .000 Totals 106 10 26 .245 Mfc 3jC jfc 6" 1(C (sT" Jfc Mfc Levinsky lieats Smith Again. Boston, Mass., Oct. 11. (I. N. S.) Battling Levinsky was given the de cision over Gunboat Smith at the con clusion of their 12 round bout at the Armory A. O. last night. Levinsky was tlie aggressor throughout and out bexed the California heavyweight. Oaks Fail to Arrive. Los Angeles, Cal., Oct. 11. (P. N., S.) Owing to the long jump from Portland here, tha Oalo did not ar rive In Ume to meet tho Angels yes terday. Ilainier Team Defeated. Clatskanie, Or., Oct. 11. The Clats kanie high school football eleven de feated the Rainier team Saturday, 38 to o. Copyrigtit TJart Schafocr & Marx wajr) You want models for Southeast Corner 5th and Alder Sts. una FITZGERALD SITS ON TOP RUNG OF BATTING LADDER Still Leading Performer With Wallop Weapon in Pa cific Coast League, San Francisco, Oct 11. (P. N. S.) It was a bad week for aluggers on every team in the Pacific Coast league. Justin Kitzserald is still the leading performer vith the Wallop weapon but at that he fell off several points. The averages follow: McCredie, P 2 0 1 .500 Keup, 0 2 0 1 .600 Gregory, K. L 13 1 6 .385 Hoff, S. L 25 3 9 .360 I'. Howard, O It 1 5 .357 l itzgerald. S. F 344 61 115 .334 Evans. S. L IS 1 6 .333 Bigbee, P 3 0 1 .333 Sl eely. 8. L 40 4 13 .325 Konworthv. O. 667 S7 210 .315 Schultz. L. A 149 19 47 .31 5 Callan, 0 16 2 5 .312 Cunningham, O. ... 97 15 3.) .803 Reuther, P 42 1 13 .309 Qulnlan, ,S. L. 737 92 227 .308 Bodle, S. F 700 94 214 .306 B. Ryan, S. L 646 77 197 .805 Vnnn O. and S. L .200 18 61 .305 Southworth. P. ...540 87 164 .304 Ba.ssler. L. A 304 38 92 .303 Brief. S. L 652 123 196 .301 Villiams. P 150 17 45 .300 Wolter. L. A 576 79 171 .297 Rath. S. L 589 99 175 .297 Downs. S. F 665 69 196 .293 Mess, V. 82 7 24 .293 Kellv. P 75 12 22 .293 Corh'an. S. F 97 8 28 .289 Roche, I 342 39 99 .289 Wilie. P 590 97 170 .288 Fisher, P. 288 31 83 .288 C hance, l.. a ( u 2 .200 McLarry. L. A. ...481 62 136 .283 Koerner. L. A 645 85 182 .282 Bates, V 707 9 197 .279 Lane. 0 623 85 173 .278 Bayless. S. L 227 50 63 .278 Boles, L. A 291 "30 81 .278 Meggert. L. A 610 111 169 .277 E. Johnson. V 69 5 19 .275 Middleton, O. .....638 7 175 .274 Nixon P 419 38 115 .274 Barry, 0 659 50 179 .272 Shinn. S. L 389 62 106 .272 Griggs, V 332 41 90 .271 B;-own. S. F 192 18 52 .271 Steen. S. F 96 14 26 .271 Vaughn, P 497 64 134 .270 Evans. P 261 34 70 .268 Sehaller, R. F 668 116 178 .367 Risberg V 636 98 169 .266 Rodgers, P 452 54 120 .265 Jones, S. F. 637 78 168 .264 Palvo. S. F 110 13 29 .263 Davis, L. A. and 0..554 67 145 .262 T. Jloward. P 166 28 43 .2.".9 Hannah, S. 1 412 55 106 .257 Brooks. S. F., L. A..272 34 70 .257 Daley. V 579 83 48 .256 Woiverton, S. F. . . 51 0 13 .255 Orandall, L. A., O..130 7 33 .254 Ellis L. A 681 95 172 .253 Speas. S. F. and P.. 366 43 92 .251 Hall, S. F. . 20 3 4 .250 Boxers Getting in Shape for Contests Boxers scheduled to appear on the Imperial Athletic club program at the .Jtose City Athletic gymnasium Friday night are working hard to get into top- notch shape. Muff Bronson, who meets Frankie Sullivan of Los Angeles in the main ervent, went through several rounds of gym work yestorday after noon, while Sullivan boxed with Joe Benjamin. Billy Nelson, who is working out with Benjamin and Sullivan, is billed to box Sailor McMinn, and unless the sailor shows up in better form than he did against Walter Knowlton, he is due for another lacing. The two light weight rivals, Walter Knowlton and Tommy Clark, are matched to appear In one of the preliminaries, whller Abie Gordon will make his last appearance locally against Eddie West. Gordon will box Nige Pluto at Wood- burn Thursday night. Gordon wil; leave for Butte Saturday night. Wolgast Goes Home; Won't Box Bronson Seattle. Wash., Oct. 11. (P. N. S.) Ad Wolgast will not box Muff Bronson at Portland. Today Ad Is speeding homeward to Michigan with .his ear in a plaster cast. Chet Neff, the little Seattle boxer broke a cartilage in Ad"s ear, and the latter has been having It doctered here. When medicos bade him goodbye at the train they told him he's have to nurse it quite a while. Neff. seeking new conquests, vlll box Touns Ketchel In Los Angeles on October 17. Baseball Folk Near To Serious Accident New York. Oct. 11. (I. P.) Hughte Jennings, manager of the Detroit Tig ers; Frank Navin, proaident of the Tigers; Joe Iliggins. ecout. and Mrs. Jennings, on the way to Ebbets" field. narrowly escaped serious Injury today when their car. was struck by a trolley car at Fourth avenue and Center street. The automobile was smashed. None of tne Detroiters Was hurt. Terry Ketchel WW Fight, Philadelphia, Oct. 11. (I. N. S.) Terry Ketchel defeated Frankie Con way Jn t,ix rounds at the Ryan A. C last night. HIGH SCHOOL OF COMMERCE BOYS' LOSE FIRST GAME Columbia University Captures Long End of a 21 to 0 Football Score, Downinsr the new High School of Commerce eleven by the score of 21 to 0, the Columbia university team captured the Initial InterscholastJc league football game of the season yesterday afternoon on Multnoman field. The contest was a hard fought one, with Columbia getting all the breaks in the fuck. In the secona penoa, an offside play prevented the Commerce team from scoring after Pruss naa made a 62-yard run for a touchdown. Fate was against the newcomers again in the third period, when Mor ris Rogaway missed a forward pass over the goal lino by a narrow margin. Put TJp a Great Battle. The School of Commerce team put up a great battle against the Colum bians, considering the fact that it was their first scrimmage and that Coach Bill Schmitt has been working with them less than a week. Coach Callicrate's players showed a varied attack throughout the en tire game. Their first score was the result of a forward pass over the goal line from Bennett to Murphy. The pasa jvaa good for 12 yards. Murphy crossed the Commerce, goal line In the second period on a de layed cross buck. The last touch down was scored In the fourth period, Bennett Intercepting . forward pass and dashing 46 yards through a broken field. Captain Murphy con verted all three goals. Coach Callicrate Shift Players. Coach Callicrate shifted his players throughout the entire game. Geller. one of the mainstays of the Commerce team, had his wrist sprained, and several other players sustained mi nor Injuries. In the second period Mike Bloch was put out of the contest for un necessary roughness and the Colum bians were penalized half the distance to the gral line. The lineups: Columbia. Pos. Commerce. Springer L. E. R Pruss Bloch L. T. R Biech Kilkenny L. G. R Taylor Knapp C MeMeller Sweeney R. G. L Geller Kuhle R. T. L Stall V. Jacobberger. . R. E. L. . . . . . Johnson Flynn Q Rogaway Murphy R. H. L Zalkurtz Bennett L. H. R Davis Hedler F Winters Substitutions Zalkurtz for Geller, Pander for Zalkurtz, Bradley for Davis, Wylde for Johnson, DeVeny lor Taylor. Sharpo for Kilkenney, Morrisey for Sharpe, Sharpe for Bloch. Holmes for Flynn, Sharpe for Holder, Holder for Sharpe. Ma larkey for Murphy, Murphy for V. Jacobberger, B. Jacobberger for Springer, Philpot for Sharpe, Sharpe for Kuhle. Touchdowns Murphy 2, Bennett 1. Goals kicked Murphy 3. Officials Spec Hurlburt, referee; Martin Pratt, umpire; Bill Holden, head linesman; A. C. Stubling and Ttd Murphy, timekeepers. Waverley to Enter Punch Bowl Play The Waveley Country club will be represented in the punch Bowl com petition over the links of the Shaugh nessy Heights Golf club in Vancouver, B. C, Saturday. President Victor A. Johnson, who is acting as chairman of the handicap committee, selected the club team yesterday, naming Rus sell Smith, Guy M. Standifer, J. R. Straight. J. S. Napier, R. C. F. Astbury. George H. Mayes, James Gillison and Victor A. Johnson. Seattle has entered a strong team in the tounament and indications are that Victoria and Ta- coma w-ill enter teams. The compe- tion is over 36-holes against bogey, teams of eight representing each club. Football Officials Chosen. Sam Dolan and William Schiyiitt will officiate In the Multnomah Amateur Athletic club-Unl verslty of Oregon football game to be played Saturday at Eugene. Jlshby$f:Lexicon$j COLLARS' GO WELL WITH BOW OR FOUR-IN-HAND r 15 eta. each, for 90 cts. aUETT.PEA80DVfred XHCMAKtM ARROW CARL MAYS TELLS REPORTER WHAT WIND-UP MEANS Every Move of Boston's Un derhand Deceiver Scien tifically Significant, By George Martin. United Preas Staff Correspondent. Brooklyn, Oct. 11. V. P.) As a baseball pitcher, Carl Mays is a fine contortionist. Every pitcher is more c- less a vaudeville act in embryo, hut Mays' performance against the Dodgers con vinced your reporter that I.e. has them all lashed to the rubber. His i Per haps the greatest system o4 inverted abdominal bowknots ever known. That's why the reporter thought Mays would be a good one to asu: "Whv does a pitcher wind up? "Is it," we asked, "to kid the ball into more speed?" "Oh, no." "Has licking your thumb Rnd fore finger with your tongue and twiddling them on your trousers got anything to do with It?" . "Not a thing." "Do you just lift your left leg and wrap it around your neck for fun?" "No, every move is scientifically significant. The basic idea is to mys tify the batter." The reporter was therefore left with the idea that when the pitcher tangles his arms' all up over his head, un tangles 'em and folds 'em over hus stomach like something hurt him, he is trying to 'make the batter think cramps are interfering with his con trol, ana it fools him into striking at anything he throws. "But doesn't this constant winding up wea a pitcher out more than straight pitching?'' an expert was asked. - "Oh, yes, and some have thought of getting a good aorobat to wind the ball up each time and then let the pitcher throw it," the reporter was told. "Uncle Robbie," who. in the words of the corsetier, is 3 to 1 perfect 363 both ways from the diaphram, is at least one size too large for his ball park. , The game was much louder than either of those In Boston. Braves' field is trimmed in rivers and railroads; Ebbets' lield in three room flats' and the week's wash. Ebbetts hates himself. He has his najjie draped in onyx around a mosaic uiiaeua.il 011 me ioyer tloor, cast in bronze around two baseball plates on the walls, to say nothing of having it Scattered around in other parts of the place. Does Jack Coombs follow the flag, or does it follow him? More than one grand dame In her Flatbush flat watched the game while shampooing Fido. In sharp contrast'to the 14 Innings' worth of hot dog demolished at Bes ton Monday, yesterday's Brooklyn mob ate its way valiantly through the 1916 peanut crop. A married man who saw Hank O'Day shut Bill Carrigan up said he thought Hank was almost worth hiring to try on his wife. Financial Report on Third Big Ball Game Rrooklvn N Y.. Oct. 11. (T. N S ) The figures for yesterday's game. as published by the national commis sion, are: Total receipts. $69,762. Players' share. $37.67 1 . 4 S. Each club's share, $1 2..V.7.1 R. National commission's share, $6, 376.20. Attendance 21,0S7r For the three games the figures' nw stand : Total recipts. $22S. 877.50. Players' share, $l23.f.93.$5. Each club's share. $41,197 37. National commission's share, $22 -SS7.75. Attendance 98,577. WORLD'S SERIES HEROES! Ivan Olson, shortstop Born in Kan sas 30 years ago. Weighs 190 pounds, nearly six feet tall, and bats and throws right-handed. First profes sional engagement at Hutchison Old West e rn staonrinttnn Pfci-a f Portland in 1908 and played in Coast league until sold to Cleveland in where he Dlaved continuous! v last winter, when he was released Cincinnati of the National league Brooklyn secured him from Clncin natl this spring via the waiver route Larry Gardner, third baseman - Born at Enosburg Falls, Vermont 18S6. Played from 1905 to 1907 ITn1VCT-Kf t V nt 'nrn.r,l C i 1 in on - . -" uisncu W 11.1 Boston Red Sox 1n 1908 and farmed to with i-jnn. Aiass., returning to American league m isoa. Bats left-handed throws right-handed. and Colored Wisdom. From the Chicago Herald. A darky was endeavoring to make clear to a friAd Just what constitutes oratory. "1 will elucidate," he said. "If you says black and white, dat am foolish. But if you cays black AM white, an bell ers like a bull, .an' pounds de table with both fists, dat am oratory!" Early Don Winner In Lexington Race Lexington, Ky., Oct. 11. Early Don captured the principal event of yester day's card of the Kentucky Trotting Horse Breeders' association In three straight heats. Six heats were necessary to decide the 2:07 pace unfinished from Monday, Beth Clark winning by taking the fourth and sixth heats In addition to the third on Monday. The results: First race. 2:07 pice. tbre. In fire, pun $10oo (unfinished from Monday) Beth Clark, blk. in. (Hedrlck)... 2 4 118 1 Caraella. br. m. (Ooxt 9 18 2 12 Collen. br. m. (Thoma) 1 2 4 4 3 to Altawood. .Solomon Boy, Birdonna. Canute. Stratbell. Comaewogue alno ran. Time 2:03 W, 2:04i, 2:OS. 2:07 2:08U. 2:0814- Second race, .tli Asbland. three beam. 2:144 ?ace for non-winners of I'JOOo, Yilue $2000 rly Don, cli. g. (Valentine) 111 BrUac. br. in. (Murphy) " . 2 2 4 Iji Princeton, b. h. Cox) 4 4 2 Bren-tH. b. m. (Rrwlnry) 3 3 3 Time 2:f!'.j. J:07',i, 2:06. Third race, 2:OS trot, three In fWe. SlOOn Peter Billiken, ch. Ii. (Thomas)... SI 17 3 Pittsburg, ch. R. (Murphy) 2 2 10 1 4 A or a toe i f . dj ' m:?r?' i i . . until II t;Y Wi I 1 V i I. i t, l-i 1 1 I tl Th. Chesterfield BUnd coatauna the moat faanovs Tawkaah tobacewe SAM5CHJN for rtcaaaaa CA VALLA far i SMYRNA for wmhuiit XANTHl for ratraaca, coaabiaaat witi) th. beat Mat 20 for 10c trp-b - " -4 Slater Strong-, b. m. (Valentine). . T 10 2 2 1 Mlna Perfection. Harr J. S. Itontncton. lira Gregory. MUs Pinker ton, B. C. 11.. Nathan Axworthy alo ran. I Finished under rule at end of fifth heat.) Time 2:07 . 2 :". 2:04. 2 KMH. S:0i4. Kourth race, 2;iri pace, three in fire, IKMH) (unfinished I Queen Hal., ro. h. (MrPheraon) 1 1 2 Baden Wood, br. h. I Fleming) S 2 1 Spring Maid, ch. m (White) 2 :i :i Kayo Ue oro. Major A.. Colonel Heilgewood. The Aul, Al McKlnney alao ran. Time 2:00. an. ,06. Ertle Is Held to Draw. New York. Oct. 11. (I. N. 8.) Joe Lynch of the west side held John Ertle, the bantamweight champion, to a draw In four rounda in a furious 10 round contest at the Pioneer Sporting club last night. Brock Knocks Out Campi. Minneapolis, Oct. 11. (I. N. 8.) Matt Brock of Cleveland knocked out Eddie Campl of San Francisco in the second round of a scheduled 10 round bout here last night. Seal-Tiger Game Postponed. San Francisco. Oct. 11. Yesterday's Vernon-San Francisco game waa post poned on account of rain. As Jk II be t a Chesterfields give smokers what no other cigarette ever before gave they satisfy! Satisfy! just as a cool drink of water satisfies when you're thirsty. And,yet,Chesterf ields are mild, too. This neii; kind of enjoyment mild, together with "satisfy" is the result of the truly marvelous Chesterfield blend! No other cigarette maker can copy this Chesterfield blend. No other cigarette can possibly off er you what Chesterfields do. Try Chesterfields today ON THE ALLEYS In last night's pui.ies of the O-VY. It. & N. Bowling hufiiie on tho Port land h 1 le h, the Sh.iMtUK won three games fum th 1 leudllht.i and Hie Heavers captured I wo out of the three games with the Semaphore. The Owls mid the 1 la.ssiilos were un rtle to roll hint night, hut will bow 1 iater In the week. The City league k liedule ft'r Thurs day night hi InnH tho L. Caletcrian vs. the Brotherhood of American Ye..nu. n and K. Wells Realty Co. vs. lladle ,v Silvers' Tailors together on the I'mi lund alleys. Restaurateur Would Buy HoiIcin. New York. net. ll. (I N s. i -Charles 1,. Feltman, tin- "licv Iwhmd restaurant man. wants t" buy I lei Brooklyn baseball club. CliarliH Eb betts find the MeKecver,. ptllirlp.l owners, peem willing hi Nell If the.r terms are met. No definite proptisi 1 ion hail et been made. I'eltman and Ehbetts diseu.s.scd the mailer fnriiiallv .' lxlward Mi'Keexrr says he values the rlub franchise and 'ihint at $2.(Mi(I,imm. and yet they're MILD 1 s 'J