The Oregon daily journal., February 02, 1908, Page 42, Image 42

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Glill I'lllER 00
lill ATHLETE
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Famous Carlisle CJoach Tells
' of Charactensticof Bed
, t man He Trains.
'ABOBIGINE J)IS TO
VANQUISH WHITE MEN
Native trffl TtktthM FllMnlly,
' Leant Quickly by Observance, and
Last Longer Than American Boy
Becaoso He's Used to Hardships.
fcop Warner, sthletio director at the
Carlisle Indian school,' answers In the
Van Korden majaiine some questions
hlch he says he Is often asked about
the Indian as an athlete. ",'
' How does the Indian take to train
ing? Bow does he lU e ItT Is he faith
ful, to his worH?,.Js he. ambitious to
win? Is be quick to learn? Are there
an jr peculiarities common to his rode
which are not perceptible in the white
athletes?
' 'Aoeordlnff to Mr. W-rner the rales at
Carlisle are such that the candidate for
athletic honors practically keeps in
training; all the time. - There have been
cases when the Indian has trained Just
as v faithfully when not under reatric-
. tionu. Warner Bays: 1 " ' ' '
"He will practice much longer and
more persistently than white boys and
can do thinara with his body that the
average wnite, boy cannot, because the
Indian la used to a rough and ready
outdoor life and has had to help him
self more when a boy.
" "I notice t that Indians generally are
ambidextrous. They may write right
handed and throw a ball left handed,
or -they may be able to throw : either
right or left handed. $ome throw right
handed and kick a football left footed.
X SadsoB Good Example.
'"Hudson, who probably ktcked more
?oals from the field, in games than any
ootball player who ever played, used
to kick aoout as well with one foot as
the other.
"Another characteristic I hare noticed
Is that they cannot be"oached In the
rough hammer- and tonga way the col-1
STEELHEAD CAUGHT
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. While JPisblos Near Scappoo the OtlKfr Day, W.? Winter and?
A. .ttrctl-.fr Caught an Elgat, Foun 4 ? Steelhead Salmon With Llgtt
' t -' "'1 Hook. It Retired 40 Minutes to land th Beauty.
A STORY WITHOUT WORDS OR
liege boys are coached. They will not
stand for being roughly scoiaea. nut
better results are obtained by Jollying
them and coaching in such a way as to
Keen them li.m sicuuung.
"In other respects they are ss any
other race of people, ana I can't see
much difference between them and
white boys. They are lust as game
and there, are soma quitters, just as
among white boys, bnt I think on the
whole they will do better than white
boys when they are vp against a rough
proposition.
"That la I hare often been surprised
myself to see them do things In close
competition that they couian t ao in
practice. They generally are right
there In a pinch and don't get nervous
or excited In a tlcht nlace.
"Still another characteristic Is that
they learn a great deal by observation.
I have noticed this a great deal. They
see some one else do something and
they 'are quick to observe how he does
it and fhus they learn rather-more eas
ily than white boys.
"They like to win. but If they lose I
don't think they take it a hard as
white boys do. They are not keyed up
to their best by college spirit as school
boys are. but they are inspired by the
Indian spirit, which keys ttiem ud to
ao tneir nest against the wnite man,
and show him the Indian is all right
They do love to get the better of the
white man and in athletics they have
the opportunity they are looking for.
Indians Are Sportsmen,
'They sre very sportsmanlike and
quick to give credit to a better man
or a better team and to acknowledge
they are fairly beaten. They don't try
to bulldoze officials and argue with
them all the while as white boys Often
do. bnt they say nothing and saw wood.
aitnougn they Know wnen tney are get
ting a square deak.aa well as any one.
"There are many funny things which
happen on our trips, such as putting
sugar and cream in bouillon In cups
and mistaking olive oil for syrup, etc..
but the mistakes Indian lads make are
I not as many nor as bad as white boys
u . v u u ui ii v i.Jm'v i .i.iiv.u hiiu niuvauvnai
advantages would make under like con
ditions, because they are so observing.
"The beds at Carlisle are verv hard.
and often when on trips the boys do
not like the soft beds and take a blan
ket and sleen on the floor. Once while
stopping at the Princeton inn a big
tvulcal Cheyenne Indian took the blan
ket from the bed and slept under the
bed on the floor.
In the morning- the chambermaid
looked In and seeing the bed empty
thought the room was vacant and
started to make up the bed, when the
Indian stuck his heart out from under
the bed to see what was going on. The
girl ran screaming to the office for
protection."
Married women whose husbands Are
not Invalids hereafter may not be em
ployed1 at clgarmaking In Boston, ac
cording to a vote recently taken by the
local union." The decision will remilre
Indorsement by the international body
before it. becomes effective. Other cl
garmakers' unions are expected to taka
similar action.
T7ITII LIGHT ROD.
hTHE ; OREGON SUNDAY JOURNAL PORTLAND. SUNDAY
NOTES IROM
LATTER-DAY SPORTSMAN
Emulation Is the Ufa of atbletloa
Nothing In years bas dons so much to
boost athletics In Oregon as the won
derful performances of Forrest Smith
son In the eastern gymnasiums.
Smlthson Is without an equal In cov
ering the high sticks and will probably
continue to shatter records. He has
trained faithfully and consistently for
the big eastern games and seems in
prima condition. Two years ago Oregon
furnished a high jumper to the Amerl-
can team at the Olrmnio eames and
this year the state will supply a hurdler
In the person of Forrest Smlthson.
There Is hardly a school in the state
but that haa some boy anxious to equal
or exceed smitiisons record as
hurdler. Five years ago they thought
mat an inferior class or school boy and
college athletes prevailed in the west.
Now that Forrest Smlthson has broken
the Ice we can expect more of the Ore
gon product to electrify the people be-
yona tne Aiiegnenies.
There are school boys and athletic
club boys In Oregon who are just as
fast as ' Forrest Smlthson and Dan
Kelly, who can clear the bar as high If
not nigner man uert iterrigan, who are
equal-to If not the superior of Alfred
Gilbert with the pole. All that is
needed is to develop their latent enerev,
Oregon air and Oregon grit will produce
still' more champions to whom the state
can point with as much pride as her
laiesi cnampion amunson.
Irrepressible kid. harblne-er of base
ball, has been extremely busy these la-t
tew aays ana, naturally, sight of him
nas set tne mina or tne bug working.
Just what the professional situation
holds In store is difficult of analysis.
Walter McCredle has been telling no
tales out of school this season, having
learned from experience that talk is of
little value when It comes to boosting
percentage. Walter has, however,
loosened up and informed us that the
team would go down to the land where
the sun shines 14 hours a day two
weeks earlier than uaual and that the
physical condition of the men would bj
careruuy looaea alter. This, together
with the names of the olavers. Is about
all that the big,, manager , caa . be In
duced toaay, i -: -.
jtu i in iuw vnu ji jm wyuuiT as -well.
In February f 1907 tbS Portland aup
porters of the national pastime were in-
BEST TIPS THAT THE BASEBALL SEASON' IS UPON UC
LOG OF A
believing that the Rosebuds would be
me greatest aggregation mi ever
strutted to the plate, notwithstanding
the loss of McLean, Mitchell and oinerx.
Thxlr hlatnrv la ona of dlsannolntment
If figures are any Indication of tho
actual strength of baseball players we
have been taught to regard them ss
such the Beavers ought to stay at or
near the top from tae start, ine jvic
Credles have been careful with their se
lections this year and their scouts have
recommended only those players who
appeared to snow class.
Heretofore the California teams, the
nlavera of which have worked off-sea
son in the winter league of that -state,
have been In Fourth of July shape at
t U I. a a rTVi laa at MAiintai tr
their ability to take the lead at the
quarter and maintain It Into the stretch.
The northerners will offset this ad
vantaaa this season by retting In two
more weeks of training and -having the
services of a rubber to look after the
limbs of the nlavers who are usceDU
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Die to injury in me ursx wornouu
Season after season for 11 years the
old guard has journeyed to Muitnoman
field to see Martin Pratt play football.
Now they want to see him rewarded for
his patriotism by being mode manager
or tne "Winged at team, rsoi ail tne
members of theold guard belong to the
club. It might be added, but what the
club doea will be watched with a great
deal or interest on tne outsiae.
The appointment of a football mana
ger of a 'team to represent a olty of
Portland s sise is a matter or some im
portance to those who witness the
games and this should not be forgotten
for a moment.
Mart Pratt has been one of the most
faithful members of - the M. A. A C.
ever since be has been able to kick a
fnnthnll an Tila nlivlm, t,ia (.rAn.vt I
success to the club in many a close and
exciting contest. He has played tackle
on every team that Multnomah has sup-
ported and always with credit His
record as a football Dlaver is clean and
his conduct on the field haa always I
been above reproach. In 1900 he cap-1
wNou mo eleven njiu i went lukUUKh i
the Reason victorious. I
Whether as manarer Pratt ran fca in-
Guceu to continue his playing la not
certain, but it is honed flint h n h. I
prevailed upon to do bo. He Is too good I
. man lu luge. sometimes managers I
wno nave oeen good , players lose, their I
ability when called unon to do both hut I
Pratt has a good head and should be,n8: proposition for the manager, and
able to do both with equal brilliancy, I when it begins to be hard work for a
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Oregon 41
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28
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Columbia 42
White River 86
Beaver ss
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Willamette 42
Portland 39
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Rose City 39
Hicks-Chatten 42
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The standlna- of individual mnh.r.
or-o uregon uowung aasoclatlon fol-J
lows: Kruse 190. Ambs 185. levse I
s,-. ?.-we-A8A ' lk Caaa 180,
ui.ka. lit t.i-iri tiA'ifa.w-1 I
Pridmore 160, Edgar 168, H J. Chris-
tian 156. Madden 165. RAthst TavaV
Ball 178. Jones 177. Hansen 176. Parker .A1,V un"J r"irweignt, -
176, Endres 174, Capen 174. Keea 174 "a.. PuPdJ Hfntweight, 183,. pounds;
BonlaHger 178, PeUrs 172,VoS?2 17V It ' STWHw-iiJ- .W5 mllt
Lanond 171. ielly 170, Armltage 169 7?g.J. gouni Jf?.h heavyweight, .
Harrington 168, Martin 168, Pflughaupt f 'JUCi.a -k .TiU ?'uuTi,urrlnlla'
168. Raymond 168, Meleen 167. Swan L2fr?a h ttistinctlon be- L,
167: Hague 166. kalk -166, Green 166, 1 ir.V'-?!0 cJMf '
Bohtnd 165. Shafer 164. bavles lSa' " Weighing, in should b allowed six ,
184. F. Christian 154, Oallard 154, ri;J S m Oosaldlae'g Opinion, f l i
t-landermeyer 1 60. Cornish J 50, Landea 15 "Money has been the cause t
iiriu :A. Newbe7; l4a!"fc-jT i4s"
Koch 142, Baker 138, Utnslnger IConsldTne.
MORNING. FEBRUARY
Kill LOIS
AT FIXED SCALE
Stretching of Pound Point
Has Caused Pugilistic Di-
vicinrtQ in Shift
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COMMISSION WANTED
TO ESTABLISH CLASS
I Kid McCoy, Oeorgej Contidine, "Hon-
est John" Kelly and Tommy Tra -
eey Give Views on What Should Be
Set Weight With Champloni.
S Classification of Weights. 4
4 "KID" MCOT. 4
Bantam, 110 pounds. Feather
e 123 pounds. Light, 133 pounds.
Welter, 145 pounds. Middle. IBS e
pounds. Light heavy, 17s pounde.
GEORGE CON8IDINE. , 4
4 Bantam. Hz pounds. Feather,
113 pounda Light, 133 pounds. 4
Welter, 140 pounds. Middle. 164
pounds. Light heavy, 15 pounds. 4
"HONEST JOHN"' KELLY.
4 Bantam, 110 pounds. Feather. 4
118 'pounds, (give or take two
4 pounds). Light, 133 pounds. Mid- e)
4 die, 1E4 pounds. Light heavy.
4 175 pounds. 4
TOMMT TRACET.
4 Eantam, 11) pounds. Feather- e
weight, 120 pounds. Lightweight.
4 133 pounds. Welterweight. 145 4
4 pounds. Middleweight, 168 4
4 pounds. Light heavyweight, 173 4
4 pounds. ' 4
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Considerable comment and argument
has been rife in sporting circles lately
I In regard to the shifting of the weight
limit. In itha vaflmia rhnmnlnnnhln
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classes of the boxers. During the last
three years especially have the topmost
notohos shifted, so that at the present
time a man who la competing .in a
fAatharwnlflrht bout mnv tin tha scales
at a figure which a decade ago would
hava fnrraA him into tha lts-htwelrht di-
vision. It Is in the classes for small I
men that tha chief vacillation is found. I
but there have been stretcntngs or tne
weight point In classes even up tJ the
middleweight class.
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normu oviujr. wuu. u xwiu Aicuy.
figured among the topnotchers among
the hiRvvwelrhti when Corbett. Shar
key. Fitaslmmons and Kuhlln were bat-
tllng for supremacy, said yesterday
that he thought tnere had been too
much variation In the weights at which
titles were fought for. "The reason for
the advance in welghta all along the
line," said Selby, "may be attributed
v"" v v.. ut vMoAI0fca
managers. When they have brought a
fle-hter UD to the top of his class he
niay nave rougnt an nis oatties at wnat
has been considered the legitimate limit
Between contests, while the fighter is
uut ln wru miiuut, uv im mm lu ui I
on uesn.
"The fighter Is strictly a monev-mak-
Iuimiiipiun w iimiva iue re(iuira limn xiis I
Krby'K rA& pl
." Dna.?er .0I .: cnampion is In a
position to aictate, it is nis rauit tnat
t16 weights have oeen Increased."
Haaaf erg -toys Changed XUmlts.
considered himself good enough to I
compete at Tne required limit, ana was
willing to fight even If he did have to
take off weight, but the managers have
changed all this.
"To remedy tha state of affairs : I
think a solution might be had by hav-l
Ing a board aetected to formulate limit
rir rna niTT.ninT pi. aaaa ' i n annii in I
consist of the sporting editors of repre-l
ni wugnnmi.
lt8 - Vi I have Always understood them,
n?Sian tin a.' ..v-l.-w
ka wt -w S- Uliuo i OtllUVl WViQU I
nours Deiora tn doul. n mori than
. JKV.?.1" .btufiralne, Lf ..A .,!e,t?i ,.
AnJhlng over that, will be Injurioua" '!
e
til stars nave matte uei1
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limits to suit thamselvea surely for
the advantage that would accrue finan
cially. This has been particularly true
or recent years, when no attention bas
been Da. Id to elasa. It haa bean a ease
of 'get the money If you are a drawing
card, and let the weights take cars of
tnemseives.
This phase has worked evil, too, In
the ranks of tae boxers, for, when there
came laxity In the stipulations regard
I In the various limits, It made the
nghters take less cars of themselves.
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JitT 07
"Oeorge Dixon, for Instance, was at
i nis best between 111 and lis nounda.
and Tom O'Rourks would never let him
concede an ounce, although 'Kid' La
vlgne and Johnny Orlffln chased vhlm
all over the country to get a match at
iwrwVlS
iis-i. w. .Dixon insisted tnat LAVigne
ine recognisea iasiner umiv in me eanj
0s. but In the desire to get money.
boys like Terry McQovern and 'Young
Corbett, who were growing fast dlctaU
Ad farma and mnAm th witlrht fnr thla
j class go. as high as 12.
should suggest a conference of men of
tne type or Tom u rcourne and ueorge
Slier, of well known capers, to draw u
an official list of weight llmlta and
seek the cooperation of the clubs
throughout the country. The different
classes should be limited as follows:
"Bantam. 112; feather, 118; light, 133;
welter. 140 (the legitimate English ten
stone); middle, 154; light heavy, 166;
heavy, unlimited.
"Weighing in should be permissible
six hours before the contest, so that
the fighters could have a good dinner
and not be half starved when they en
ter the rlnr. The man who bas a good
physique naturally can put on a lot of
good, solid flesh in that time. It Is only
to the type of boxer like McCoy or
Corbett, who received their development
cnieny rrom gymnasuo worg,. mat i
pound or so taken on Immediately pre.
ceuine a fla-hi Is Injurious. With them
it Is a case of sacrificing speed and
snap for the extra pounds. When La-v-ne
fought Bowen in New Orleans
ha welched In at 130 six hours before
the flaht and when the gong sounded
he stripped, at 188, and was never
atronner' ' u
Champions "Dictated Wslgats,
"The champions have dictated terms,"
said "Honest John" Kelly, "and the
other fellows who were looking for a
chance to get a reputation were willing
to fight at any old weight. - Once - a
boxer got possession of a title lie hated
to let It go, and it he found It difficult
to make the generally recognised limit.
as originated in tne marquis or vjud
berry rules, he forced the challenger to
meet him at a hirher flrure.
There should be a strict adherence
to a certain set of weights and there
.h0uld never be any going out of the
natural class. This Jumping from one
OlViaion to anoiner na unn o i o
...anna tnr tha ahirt In llmlta rnr wnan
a champion fighter went above his class
he found It. difficult to get back to bis
old standard without a weakening ef-
feet.
"Pick eat 10 men with a. thorOUnh
knowledge of boxing who nave Deen ioi-
lnwnra of the Snort for years, let them
make standard divisions for each class,
and then make the promoters adhere to
their ruling. mey snouia h a
board of directors, and their judgment
should be final. What X would consider
t n a Tflir iimiin wniua n. :
"Bantam, 110; feather 118; (give or
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SPOETSMEN'S GALLEBY OF FAME.
Mr." .William McMurray and Georse, L., Batchln of the! Rose Caii
nival Committee Are Ardent Advocates
Bporta. - Mr. wcMiirray ana ir. uutchin Are "ingaung it Out", Ovtf
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DUCK HUNTERS TO
ASK
FOR CHAIIGES
Sportsmen Fear for Future
of Lowland Birds in the
Northwest.
AMENDMENTS TO LAW
N. Campbell, Enthusiastic Shotgun
Devotee, Gives- Opinion on Game
Bird Situation and Pronounces
Provisions of Duck Club Ideal.
Puck shooting closed In every coun
ty in Oregon except Lake last Friday,
and before the open seaaon comes again
some radical changes are liable to be
made In the game laws. Several gun
clubs have signified an Intention of
taking up the game matter with rela
tion to ducKS, ana a concerted snort
will be made to bare the present laws j
amended.
It Is very likely that soma action
will be taken ln regard to some of
these matters at the snnual meeting
of the Fish and Game association next
Tuesday evening. Tnere is conaiaer
able to be done, ln the opinion of many
Portland duck hunters, for that sport I
alone. But unless someooay is wuting
to taks up the' work, the sportsmen ar-1
gue, and carry It along, little can be
accompiisnea.
Following Is the opinion of N. Camp
bell, an enthuslastio duck hunter, who
fears for the future of duck bunting
on the Paclflo coast unless certain
steps are taken to Improve the game
laws of Oregon, and also of Washing
ton and California: .
"Some have proposed that the limit
be 15 birds a week, instead of 60, but I
there are other deeper remedies that!
are of greater importance to the sport!
than this item, uniy unaer in raojw
favorable circumstances can a sinfcieV
runnap hrlna- down 60 birds, ana thai
average is not ozien aoova ss. . i
"In order to get birds, you must
keep your grounds In good condition
They must be well' taKen care or, , ant
they cannot be cared for properly with
OUt COnsiueraDie expanse iu um uwiisri
nt the nreserve. The birds must tx
fed and watchmen must be employed
t rimtht . under thaae circumstances.
with the additional fact that birds ar
aettina- more scarce each year, tha
many snortsmen will be willing t
have the limit decreased.
' Seasons for Bsorsaalaa' Towl.
-Cithr reasons are riven for the d
pletlon of the aupply or wiia cucks. ii
Alaska men make it a business of COl
lectlng the eggs of wild oucks, wnei
(Continued on Page Three.)
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