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3 0 V JAN VOL. LX NO. 1!,076 Enteral at Portland (OreccnV Pnstofflce ns Seennd-clms Matte-. POIITLAXD. OREGON, TUESDAY, JANUARY 10, 1923 PRICE FIVE CENTS VALERA DEFEATED FDR RE ELECTION FREIGHT RATES TOO TO PREDICT WEATHER YEAR IN ADVANCE, AIM NORTH DAKOTA TAX AGAIN HELD VOID 1921 MOTOR VEHICLES INCREASED BY 14,825 TOTAL OF 118,615 LICENSES ISSUED IN YEAR. HIGH, SAYS WALLACE ALL OF LOWER OPERATIXG COSTS DE. CLAUED IMPERATIVE. liEVT OX INTERSTATE RAIL ROADS RULED OCT. AMUNDSEN HOPES TO FIND KNOWLEDGE AT POLE. NEWBERRY denes METHODISTS ASK SCHOOL RANGE BAN RIVERVIEW FACES FINANCIAL CRISIS v i Ireland as Result Has No Government of Own. f VOTE IN DAIL IS 60 TO 58 New President Is Needed to L. Carry on Work. NO NAME YET SUBMITTED Beaton Sinn Fclncr Scouts Idea of Frutrlcidal Strife Ultimate Solution Predicted. DUBLIN. Jan. 9. (By the Asso ciated Tress.) Ireland tonight wu without a government of Its own. Eamon de Valera had resigned from the presidency and the proposal for h's re-election to that office, which includes the office cf premier, was defeated In the Dall EIreann, 60 to 58. Mr. de Valera marie It clear that iall the members of the ministry, whether they voted for or against him. Lest there should be any doubt, Michael Cosgrave, minister of local government, who dally, he said, was sending out letters from hie depart ment to Irish public bodies, asked if all that was to stop. De Valera re Plied it must stop until successors of the ex-ministers were appointed. London Delegates Divided. The vote on De Valera's re-election was doubtful until the figures were announced The London delegates who signed the treaty were divided. four voting against De Valera, and one, Robert C. Barton, In his favor. Mr. de Valera himself refrained from voting, while Llam Roisite, member for Cork citv. when hl N called, said he would not take respon sibility for plunging Ireland into fratricidal strife. Cheering followed the announcement of the figures. Both Grififth and Col lins were quick to pay tribute of admiration to Mr. de Valera, while the -whole assembly arose and ap plauded him. Fratricidal Strife Scouted. V A noteworthy feature of Mr. de 1 Valera's later statement was that talk of fratricidal strife was all non- how to conduct themselves. The course to wh'ch the ex-president, after his defeat, urged his oppo nents was to appoint a president in his place and let that president ap point his own ministers. He accepted defeat in good spirit and pledged h's support to the new government so long as It was marching along the road to Irish Independence. He ex plained his reasons for assenting to a motion for his re-election were the same as for declining to go to Lon don on the delegation, his Idea being to keep a reserve power in the in terests of the Irish republic behind' the men in contact with the British ministers. No Name Is Submitted. It soon became evident that the sup porters of the treaty were not anxious to submit any name for the presi dency. Richard Mulcahy. hlef of staff, recalled that the Irish nation had got along for a considerable time without any president. Michael Col lins submitted a motion that the Dall should request Arthur Griffith to form a provisional government. This did not hinge to clear the (situation and Mr. de Valera kept rising frequently, pressing his argu ment that they must act constitu tionally, keep the republic in being and give it a ministry. Support Pledge Cheered. He objected to the creation of "any alternative government which would RlinnrPHS the Dall. anri ripnlarori that t If the republic as it existed were abandoned he and his followers Would walk out. His declaration of willingness to stand behind the new government. If such action entailed no sacrifice of principle, and his further statement that he and his associates were ready to back the new government if it should require support against any outside enemy, were loudly cheered Commandant McKeown cried out that De Valera's speech was the most statesmanlike he had ever made. Jl However, Mr. de Valera's words V were not echoed by several of his re f publican followers. Miss MacSwiney, F Llam Mellowes. David Kent inil L others displayed a determination to fight out the republican cause. Miss i MacSwiney was particularly forcible in tier mreat against any attempt by the new provisional government to adopt the republican tricolor as the flag of the new free state. Motion Held Out of Order. Mr. Collins apparently thought they could summon a ratifying body , of members for southern Ireland, in cluding the four members represent ing Trinity college. They could call it the Dall EIreann until somebody knowing Irish well could find a bet ter name for it. This was imme diately countered with the reminder that the Trinity college members would not take the republican oath. Finally John J. O'Kelly, minister of education, argued that Mr. Collins' (motion was out of order, because no (Concluded on Paga -. Column X.) farm Produce Prices Must Rise and Other Prices Decline to Re-establish Balance. PHILADELPHIA. Jan. 9. To bring about a normal adjustment in agricul ture and through It in Industry, rail- I road deficits "must be met by reduc tions In operating costs rather than by advances In rates," Secretary Wal lace of the department of agriculture declared In an address tonight. Agriculture, he said, "urgently needs the adjustment of freight rates on farm products to a point at which they bear about the same ratio to the price the farmer received for those products as prevailed before the war." It would be better for all Interests, he continued, if during the reconstruc tion period a general price level about 60 per cent above the pre-war normal could be established and farm prices brought up to this level rather than that other prices be forced down to the level of agricultural products. But this seems impossible at present, he said, so "other prices must come down as agricultural prices come up until the relation is restored." An "efficient" agriculture and an "efficient" transportation system, he declared, are indispensable to the na tional welfare and are dependent upon one another. "It would be unfair," he continued, "to say that the unprecedented de pression in which we, find agriculture today Is due wholly to the very large increases in freight rate3 Imposed the past three years, but It is fair to say that these Increased freight charges are a large factor in retarding agri cultural recovery. 'The trouble now is, that whereas the prices the farmer receives for his crops are lower than before the war, the prices he pays for the things he needs are from 25 to 75 per cent above the pre-war prices. Hence the pur chasing power of the major farm crops is probably lower than at any time in our history, and this has very much to do with the nation-wide In dustrial and business depression.- "It is doubtful whether agriculture can make a complete recovery for many years unless the normal ratio between the prices the farmer re ceives for his crops and the freight rates he pays is re-established very soon." EGG MARKET COLLAPSES Conditions In Chicago Reported Bordering Upon Panic. KANSAS' CITY, Jan. 9. Wholesale prices for eggs dropped 5 cents or more a dozen here today, firsts sell ing as low as 28 cents. CHICAGO, Jan. 9. Conditions In the egg market are "almost panlcy." due to heavy offerings of fresh eggs and consequent unloading of storage eggs, according to S. E. Davis, secre tary of the Chicago butter and egg boaH. There was a marked decline in fresh eggs today, he said, with heavy offerings and the price of April futures today was 22 cents, compared with 41 cents last year. Mild weather and plentiful supplies at many points had caused the price of fresh ejgs to drop with the result' that those dealers holding cold stor age stocks were anxious to sell, he said. Eggs for January delivery were quoted today at 28V4 cents. NEWSPAPER PLANT BURNS Courier-Journal of Louisville, Ky., Damaged by Morning Blaze. LOUISVILLE, Ky., Jan. 9. Fire, be lieved to have started from defective wiring, early this morning destroyed the inside of the five-story Courier Journal office building. The loss is variously estimated be tween $500,000 and $1,000,000. Starting in a jewelry shop,' the fire soon spread to all parts of the upper stories. The building has been famous for a half century as the former home of the Courier-Journal and Louisvilie Times. A number of other buildings were endangered by flying paper, the burn ing building now being occupied by the Courier-Journal Job Printing com pany. PER CAPITA WEALTH CUT Decline of $6.09 In Year Reported by Treasury Department. WASHINGTON, D. C, Jan. 9. Per capita circulation of money In the United States declined $6.09 during the past year, according to a state ment issued today by the treasury. On January 1, 1922, the per capita circulation was $53.03, based on a total of $5,775,400,315 and an estimat ed population of 108.917,000. as com pared with a per capita of $59.12 on January 1, 1921, based on a total of $6,340,436,718 in circulation and an estimated population of 107,249,000.. DEACONS OUT OF DANGER Churchmen AVho Drank Wood-Stain ai Sacrament Recovering. GRAND RAPIDS. Mich., Jan. 9. Ten men, nine of them deacons' and elders, poisoned yesterday by wood stain served by "mistake for sacra mental wine during communion serv ices of the Seventh Reformed church here, were pronounced out of danger today. I The wine and wood-stain were in a closet and an elder accidentally filled the communion cup with stain. Trustees Criticised at Lot Owners' Meeting. NO IRREDUCIBLE FUND HELD ,7 Abrogation of Bylaw Requir ing It Disclosed. TRUSTEES' ACT EXPLAINED Failure to Accumulate Fund for Maintenance Declared to Hare Been Impossible. How to finance Riverview cemetery so that its grounds permanently and adequately may be cared for, and the spirit of the pioneers who established It in 1882 be perpetuated thereby, was the problem laid before a meeting of lot-owners, held in the main library hall yesterday afternoon. It was ad mitted frankly by the board of trus tees, of which W. MLadd is presi dent, that it never has been possible for them to set aside a stipulated 30 per cent of sales receipts and to re tain it in an irreducible fund. As a result of the fact that ex penses of maintenance and operation, combined with a mortgage of $115, 000, held by the First National bank of Portland, until recently paid off and canceled, exceeded revenue for many years, the trustees, notwith standing an article in the by-laws that there must be 30 per cent of re ceipts from sales of lots placed In an irreducible fund for the purpose of permanently caring for the cemetery, were unable to do so. Legislature Legalises Abrogation. Instead, they said they had used their best Judgment, obtained abro gation of the article at a meeting at which 12 lot-owners were present, and, at the 1921 session of the legis lature, secured an amendment to the so-called state cemetery act, the ef fect of which was to legalize their acts. Criticism of the acts of the trustees was voiced 'at the meeting, chiefly by' C. Henri Labbe, chairman of a com mittee of five lot owners, authorized by an annual meeting of the associa tion, and Joseph N. Teal, a lot-owner No one, however, as much as inti mated that anything beyond "poor judgment" had actuated the board and no personalities were indulged. Conditions relative to the financial side of beautiful Riverview cemetery are so acute that the First National bank had seen fit to extend no fur ther credit, and he did not know whence funds were to come to meet current monthly bills, was the state ment of Mr. Ladd when, after long discussion and the reading of reports and recommendations by various per- (Concluded on Page 3. Column 3. FIRST TIME ONE OF T2IOSE GAMES WAS EVER KNOWN TO BREAK UP WITHOUT SOME BODY GETTING HURT. t Justice Van de Vanter Declares Action "Taking of Property Without Process of Law." WASHINGTON. D. C, Jan. 9. The supreme court, ruling for the second time on the North Dakota statute imposing a special excise tax against corporations, joint stock companies and associations organized under the laws of other states and doing bus! ness in that state, today declared It Invalid so far as it had been applied to Interstate railroads. Justice Van de Vanter in delivering the opinion pointed out that the act as originally -enacted provided that the tax in the case of, railroads, tele phone, telegraph and other companies having lines that enter into, extend out of or cross the state, shall be assessed upon "that proportion of the entire property of the corporation which its mileage within the state bears to its entire mileage within and without the state." The justice asserted that when this tax, levied on the mileage ratio, was challenged, the supreme court held "that the tax so assessed was an unwarranted interference with interstate com merce, and a taking of property without due process of law." North Dakota then assessed the tax upon a ratio fixed by contrasting the value of the company's railroad with in the state with the value of its entire railroad within and without the state, and it was this basis for taxation which was at issue in the case decided today. . After fully analyzing the statute as changed, Justice Van de Vanter said that it wis clearly the intention of the legislature "to put the corpo rations which it dscribed in a sepa rate class for the purpose of the tax, to require as to them that the tax be computed and assessed on the special basis prescribed, and to exempt them from the basis applicable to other corporations." To sustain the tax in question the supreme court "should have to hold that the taxing officers, on finding that it (the tax) could not constitu tionally be assessed on the basis spe cially prescribed in the statutes, were at liberty to assess It on another and different basis which the statute shows was not to be applied to corpo rations of the class to which these railroad companies belonged," Justice Van de Vanter stated, adding, "of course, we cannot so hold." STATE BONUS BODY ACTS Commission Passes on 600 Claims of Oregon War Veterans. SALEM? Or., Jan. 9. (Special-.) The world war veterans' state-aid commission, at a meeting here today, passed on more than 600 claims filed by ex-eervice men under the so-called cash bonus and loan act. This law was enacted at the 1921 session of the legislature and subsequently was ap proved by the voters of the state at a special election. Bonds to provide money to finance the loans and bonuses will be sold within the next few days and actual payments to those entitled to the ben efits probably will be under wa within a month or six weeks. Fees Collected by State Aggregate $2,334,031.25 29,230 New Registrations Made. SALEM, Or., Jan. 9. (Special.) During the year 1921 a total of 118. 615 motor vehicles. Including passen ger and commercial cars, and S164 motorcycles were registered and li censed in Oregon, according to -a re port prepared today by Sam A. Kozer, secretary of state. During 1920 there were 103,790 mo tor vehicles and 3517 motorcycles. These figures show an Increase of 14,825 In the total of motor vehicles in 1921 over the number registered in 1920, and a decrease of 353 in the total number of motorcycles regis tered. During the year 1921 616 dealers in motor vehicles were registered, while during the year 1920 the number of motor vehicle dealers registered and liensed was 751, showing a decrease of 235. The number of chauffeurs li censed in 1921 was 8129, while in the year 1920 the total number was 3394. The license fees from all sources, that is, for motor vehicles, motor cycles, motor vehicle dealers, chauf feurs and motor vehicle operators registered, and for transfers and du plicate license plates, aggregated in 1921 the sum of $2,334,931.25. For the year 1920 these fees totaled $2,085, 1C8.50, representing an increase in fees for the year 1921 over those for the year 1920 of $249,762.75. During the year 1921 the transfer of 18,675 motor vehicles and 493 mo torcycles was reported to the depart ment, or approximately 16 per cent of the motor vehicles registered dur ing the j ear passed from the hands of the persons by whom they were originally registered. Of the 118,615 registrations of mo tor vehicles during 1921, 89,385 of them appear to be re-registrations, while 29,230 are registrations either of new cars or of motor vehicles which have not heretofore been res, istered in the state of Oregon. ELECTION FAVORS POLAND Indications Are That Lithuania Will Lose Vllna. PARIS, Jan. 9. Although the def inite results of the election in the Vilna region yesterday are unknown as yet, dispatches say tne returns greatly favored Poland. Since their re-establishment as na tions following the war, both Lithu ania and Poland have made claims to the Vilna region, which Is situated on the border between them. KICK FOUND IN C0C0ANUT Jamaica Rum Discovered in Place of Natural Milk. MINNEAPOLIS, Minn., Jan. 9. Two hundred cocoanuts which con tained not their own natural milk but a pint each of strong Jamaica rum were seized by federal agents today at a Minneapolis railroad station. Each cocoanut was plugged with a cork. "With God as Witness, I'm Innocent," Is Reply. SPEECH READ TO SENATE Republicans Think That Talk Cleared Member. DEMOCRATS DON'T AGREE llow Senator Came Through Trying Ordeal Viewed Through Partisan Eyes. WASHINGTON, D. C. Jan. 9. Standing at his place in the senate and speaking publicly for the first time in his own defense, Truman H. New berry, senator of Michigan, declared today that with God as his witness he was not to this hour conscious of a single act unlawful, dishonorable or corrupt in his campaign against Henry Ford In 1918. For a half hour, Mr. Newberry read, a prepared speech without interrup tion, and for 30 minutes more he was subjected to a cross-examination by Senator Walsh of Montana, a demo cratic member of the committee, which, in a minority report, held he was not entitled to his seat. How Senator Newberry came through the trying ordeal was viewed for the most part through partisan eyes. There appeared to be no doubt that his republican friends were Jubi lant. They rushed toward him offer ing congratulations. Democrats Charge Evasion. Many democrats later asserted Sen ator Williams of Mississippi had about expressed their view when he characterized the Michigan senator's defense as "full of evasion." Ready with gavel In hand to stop any demonstration that might break with the end of the senator's hour. the vice-president put it quietly in place again, for there was no outward evidence of how the members and the birr crowds in the galleries felt. Two hands clapped once high over the heads of the senators but nobody took up the signal. Senator Newberry walked Into the senate five minutes before the open ing prayer and then 'went to the cloak room, where he remained until within five minutes of the conclusion of a speech by Senator Trammell, democrat, Florida, who was proclaim ing against his right to be there. And as he went out, with a rush of sena' tors around him, he scarcely heard the opening sentences of another speech in his defense. Statement Head Clearly. Unaccustomed td public speaking he read clearly and distinctly, first announcing he could no longer re main silent and that he would not suffer interruptions but would gladly yield for questions when he had fin ished his statement. There had been intimations that he would be the center of a hot fire of questions, but only Senator Walsh in terrogated him after he had read his speech, and the inquiry related strict ly to certain features of the evidence, as adduced at his trial and before a senate committee. Almost at the outset Senator Walsh wanted to know why a statement like that Just given to the senate had not been made before. 'I did not appear on the stand at the Grand Rapids trial because I was what the lawyers might call a good client," said Newberry. The faces of his friends lighted up. Lawyers' Advice Followed. "I followed the advice of the law yers in charge of the case, who said I had no information to give," he con tinued. "I did not volunteer before the senate committee for the rea sons I have stated." Then, pressed as to why he had not made a similar statement in re sponse to a letter from his state. Senator Newberry shot back that he saw no reason why he should en courage his political critics in their efforts to defeat him. The cross examination ended ab ruptly within a minute of the hour allotted Senator Newberry under the rules. Once he asked the privilege of being permitted to sit, but a mo ment later was on his feet again and answering Senator Walsh, told him to go ahead and shoot. Friends of the senator declared to night that his speech had made a "fine impression" and that two or three republicans, classed as doubt ful, were ready to vote to seat him. The vote may be taken Wednesday. Five Other Speeches Made. Five other speeches on the New berry case were made today. Sena tors Trammell, Williams and Hefl'n of Alabama spoke against Senator Newberry and Senators Edge, New Jersey, and Sterling. South Dakota, in his favor. Senator Borah, repub lican, Idaho, is expected to speak tomorrow in opposition to the Mich igan senator. Defending Senator Newberry, Sen ator Sterling, declared the former had directed that no campaign at tack be made on Mr. Ford and that the expenditure of large sums for advertising was necessary "against tCaaeluded en Page 3, Column 1.) Instruments to Be Taken for Super- Scientific Study of Upper Reaches of Northern Air. NEW TORK, Jan. 9. Within four years Captain Amundsen, Arctic ad venturer and discoverer of the South Pole, expects to return to civilization from the North Pole in possession of the knowledge and power that will enable scientists to predict weather conditions for a year or more in ad vance. Captain Amundsen, who arrived here tonight from Seattle, Wash., is en route to Washington, where he will discuss with directors of the I Carnegie institute details of his re- newed attempt to drift across the top or tne worm in his ice-uouna crait. With him he will take the instru ments for a super-scientific study of the upper air reaches of the polar regions. He says he will attempt to work out the theory of Professor Wil- helm Bjerknes of the University of Christlanla, .Norway, that the weather conditions at the North Pole govern the weattier of the remainder of the earth's surface and that an Intimate knowledge of the farthest north weather "temperaments" will enable scientists to determine for a year or more in advance a more or less exact chart of weather conditions In the re mainder of the world. If this Is ac complished, he said, it will prove an inestimable boon to the world's crop growers. Captain Amundsen will make all his scientific reports to the Carnegie in stitute. His vessel, the Maud, is now being provisioned in Seattle for a seven-year voyage although the Norse explorer believes he will complete his unique expedition in less than four years. There will be nine men In his party, including Captain Oscar Wlsp- Ing, who was one of his crew on the trip to the South Pole. The Maud will sail next June. The explorer brought to New York two adopted daughters, members of the Tsjuktsji tribe of Siberia. They are the first of their people to visit the United States. Captain Amundsen said he adopted the two when he found them starving with their tribe near Wrangel island. They will leave soon for Chrjstlania, where their foster father has ar ranged for their education. RAW FOOD RESTORES HAIR Hope Is Held Out to Bald-llcndcd Man by Chicago Doctor. TRENTON, N. J., Jan. 9. Declaring that there was hope for the bald headed man if he would live "the nat ural life" and eat raw food. Dr. St. Louis F.stes, first vice-president of the International Institute of Applied Psy chology of Chicago, told the conven tion of the American Academy of Ap plied Dental Science today how he himself had been a nervous wicck, tald-hcaded and a "candidate for the cemetery," but by living naturally and avoiding cooked foods, he said he had regained robust health and a thick crop of hair. Dr. Estes said "the natural life" In cluded plenty of exercise, fresh water and the eating of uncooked food. "Because of the damnable food you eat, you do not have any ideas," he said. "You are victims of aphasia. Your bodies are out of plumb." INDEX OF TODAY'S NEWS The Weather. YESTERDAY'S Maximum temperature. 4S degrees; minimum, 38 degrees. TODAY'S Occasional rain; winds mostly southerly. Foreign. Valera defeated for re-election. Page 1. Russia agrees to attend economic confer ence. Page 3. National. Newberry denies all charges. Page 1. Limit on aircraft Dot yet attempted Page 2. Arm treaty Is to be signed soon. Page 2. New senator from Pennsylvania able man. Page 4. North Dakota tax on railroads again held valid. Page J. League of nations two years old today. Page 6. Domestic. Railroads must reduce operating costs. say Secretary Wal-lace. Page 1. W. O. Nesmith loses in fight for Polk county farm. Page 3. Funeral services for Mrs. Ella Cummtng Wltzell held. Page 3. Amund.wn hopes to find wav to predict weather year in advance. Page 1. I'aciric Northwest. Opposition to poll tax in Washington state Increase!. Page 7. Motor vehicles in Oregon Increase 14.823 in year. Page 1. Eleven In Seattle aspire to be mayor. Page 7. Sports. University of California proposes Pasadena as permanent place for east-west foot ball game. Page 12. Barred trio to get hearing on amateur status tomorrow. Page 12. Columbia university applies to Join ath- letlc organizations. Page 12. Commercial and Murine. Larger production of dairy produce with imports weaken markets. Page 10. Wheat lower at Chicago on increased es timate of Argentine surplus. Page lit Bond market aided by lower money rates. Page 19. Extension at municipal terminal No. 1 to start at once. Page 18. Portland and Vicinity. Investors in marks buy German goods to get back their cash. Page liO. Methodists ask bar on dances in public schools. Page 1. Year successful one, says game warden. Page 11. Plana for Lents sewer laid before counci: Page 13. State bank guarantees not fully trusted by depositors. Page 18. County commission to clear one mile of Columbia highway as cost test. Page 20. Aliens are smuggled Into United States Page 10. Wounded wife says mate suffered halluci nations. Page 4. Coast merchant tailors propose to continue present wage scale. Page 6. International check on narcotic drugs sug gested. Page 4. ' Riverview cemetery faces financial crisis. Page i. Board Urged to Forbid Use of Buildings. RESOLUTION IS ADOPTED Committee of Five Named to Present Argum&nt. LAW TO BE INVESTIGATED School Ii rectors, HowcS'cr, See No Objections to Allowing Community Affairs. Methodist ministers unanimously adopted resolutions urging the school board to prohibit dancing in publlo school buildings, at a meeting of clergymen and laymen at the First Methodist Episcopal church yesterday morning. The pastors and laymen then unanimously adopted a long resolution denouncing dancing, par ticularly In public schools. "We especially deplore the fact that dancing has become the order of the public school, and we are sure that the same subtle agency which took the Bible out of the school has helped to put the dance In Its place." said the resolution adopted by the mass meeting. "We are certain that danc ing is no proper part of the publio school rystem." Committee Is Named. The ministers appointed a com mittee of five personally to call upon the school board at the next meeting, January 18, and present the ideas ex pressed in the resolutions adopted at the meeting. The members of the committee are Rev. Clarence True Wilson, Dr. Charles MacCaughey, Kev. F. M. Jasper, Rev. L. C. Poor and L. D. Mahone, who represents the laymen. The clergymen were Informed that dancing took place, not in the school rooms, but in some' other part of the building, to comply with the state, school law. A committee of three was then appointed to confer with the attorney-general of the slate in order to obtain a clear interpretation of any existing school laws on dancing. .Mothers) Are I'ralNed. Only one woman present at the meeting exprcss-jd tho views of the Parent-Teacher associations, under whose auspices dailies have been held In public schools. She was Mrs. W. 11. Hathgato, president of tho Parent-Teacher council. "I fuel that Portland mothers have been assisting in meeting a great need In this city by giving their time to chaperone school dances," said Mrs. Bathgate. "They are busy women and they have given unselfishly of heir time to see that these dances are supervised. "I think that these community gatherings In our school houses, under the supervision of the parents, are safe means of amusement for our' young folk. I always have been in favor of opening our schools us com munity centers." Mr. Shull Sera No Objection. School board members said last night that they saw no objection to dancing In the schools If carried out under the present system, with par ents always In attendance. "I have not looked up the law on dancing In the schools, but If there Is no legal objection to It I think dancing should be permitted In the schools." said Frank L. Shull. "1 think that the ministers did not take quite the right attitude. "I notice that the resolution states that 'dancing is no part of the public school system." Dancing is not a part of the public school system. The school board simply allows tiie build ings to be used for such civic and neighborhood uses as it thinks best. I look upon the dances held In the school gymnasiums as community af fairs, since many parents attend. I have no objection to such gatherings." Investigation Held l.wUlng. "I think that the Methodist minis ters have not investigated fully enough to denounce dancing In the public schools." said A. C. Newilf, chairman of the board. "Young peo ple will dance, and I feel that it is part of our duty to see that we give them dances of the right kind. I feel sure that young people are better protected at dances In our school buildings than at dances anywhere else in the city." The same opinions were expressed by George P. Eisman and W. J. H. Clark, who said they looked upon these dances as neighborhood gather ings. D. A. Grout, city superintendent of schools, said last night that the school law that dances should not be held in "schoolrooms" had been interpret ed for years as applying to t-nly "classrooms." Dances have been held for ten or 15 years, he said, In the school gymnasium or assembly halls. At least 12 chapcrones must be pres ent at every dance. Kvlls Laid to Dnnrlmc. L. D. Mahone of the Laymen's as sociation, who presented the resolu tion to the clergymen, spoke at yes terday mornings' meeting of the evils of dancing. He said that lie roimld ICuacludtd on i'uio 11, C'uiuinu l.j J Dil 1 04.2