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-1 THE MORNIG OREGOXIAX. RIBaT. NOVEMBER 3, 1912. OREGON AGRICULTURAL COLLEGE VETERAN BACKFIELD WHICH IS EXPECTED TO PIERCE MUCH- VAUNTED WASHINGTON LINE IN CHAMPIONSHIP GAME TOMORROW ON MULTNOMAH FIELD, r One eDay PLAYERS POSSIBLE E -of the . OPENING Chances of Oregon Winning Under Class B Rating North--western League Would Suffer Materially. week at our new home Don't Fail to Investigate Cur Championship Admitted by Washingtonian. HAUSER MAY GO IN GAME MINIMUM SCALE OPPOSED ttrs sj a .J Tit i i SALARY LIMIT FOR .v " ..... irievvii is. imw,i i$i E' it -; ,j i-J j ;: I SAYS COACH WfH$ lit Manager Zednlck Says 400 Rooters Will Come by Special Train From Sound City Attendance of 8000 Is Expected. BT ROSCOE FAWCETT. Deck have been cleared for the big Came of the football year In the North west, Saturday, on Multnomah Field. Coach Gilmour Dobie. of the four-time University of Washington champions, arrived in Portland last night with a formidable array of college huskies. The Oregon, Agricultural College as pirants will register In today at 5:30 P. M.. both teams quartering at the Oregon Hotel. Dobie will unlimber his champs in a sharp signal drill prior to the interscholastlc game today, but Coach Do lan will give his men a rest. "Washington stands a greater chance of losing to the Oregon Aggies Satur day than at any time In the past two years, was the emphatic declaration of Coach Dobie. "I don't think there is any difference at all in weight to speak of, and I candidly believe the Corvallis boys to be two or three touch downs stronger than Washington State, in spite of the 10-9 score. Hauser's incapacitation at the last moment cer tainly upset all the backneld rhythm. and since then May, last year's captain, has returned to tackle, and 'Evenden, last year's fullback, has gone back to Hauser's job. That's no weak arrange ment." ' "Assies" at Home Here. "The Aggies, too, are right at home here, having held Multnomah 9-0, and. in addition, my men are bound to bo a little overconfident, and everything counts In football. Victor Zednlck. graduate' manager at Washington, reached Portland early yesterday morning, and was busy, all 83 &'l, has it on Dolan's hopes In weight. If Reynolds holds down quarter, the Cor vallls back field will average only 161 pounds to 171 for Washington. On the line Washington has a Blight edge. 175 pounds to 1"3 pounds. But as a team there is not enough difference to give either team much of an advantage Washington's average is 173 8-11 to an even 169 for the Aggies. The following table shows the In dividual weights-and the years of col lege playing experience of the rival teams: WL Plaver. Yrs. Position. Tra. Player. Wt. 160 Kellogg ..3..R K L...1...;. Clark 113 May H..R TI...3 Fllaa ISO ln Sitton 4..R O L..3... Griffiths 1X3 ITS Chriaman .'J C. . ..3 Preeley ITS IK.", Moore 1. O R..2.. Anderaon IKS .10 Hofer t..I- T R..3 Patton 15 lr Rnbertaon 8.. I, E R. .3 Sutton HHJ 1J7 Rpynolda .3.. .Q B..1 Young 100 l."6 Shaw . .2..R HL...1.... Dorman ltW 1SS Hlackwell H R..1... Jaccjuut ITS 1T5 Evenden ..4. . .F B. . .1. . Gallagher 1M1 Average weight Oregon Aggies, 169 day arranging final preliminaries with pounds; Washington, 173 8-11. If Dewey Dr. E. J. btewart, of Corvallis. Zednlck is used at quarterback for the Oregon was detained by the election. He was I Aggies, he will bring the average up a candidate to succeed himself as State a pound, while Shlel will pull down the Representative in the Forty-third Dis- Seattle avoruupois a pound if the pref- trict. and won the fight. "Students up at Washington are crazy over the game, said Manager Zednlck. "They expect Washington to win by a touchdown, and will be down in a special train, over 400 strong, with band and all. to cheer the team along. I erence Is given him over Gallagher. A comparison of Pacific Northwest ern weights with those In the Middle West indicates that the teams out here are fully as heavy. The University of Chicago's average weight is 174 pounds and Wisconsin's 169, while the much- thought to have the heaviest team In the Northwest, with an average well toward 178 or 179 pounds. TODAY'S TEST CRUCIAL WASHINGTON HIGH WILL MEET HILL MILITARY ACADEMY. figure Washington about as strong as vaunted University of Michigan aver. last year, but it's a certainty the Ore' ages less than Washington about 171 gon Aggies are to touchdowns pounds. The Univ'erslty of Oregon is stronger than Oregon was last year, and everybody who saw that game on Multnomah Field knows that we got at least three easy touchdowns that game that we will never get again against Oregon or any other team. C hampionship la Balance. "Two little pop punts, one of which was blocked on the goal line, handed two touchdowns to uh on a silver plat ter, and then Coach Dobie's bidden ball trick scored another from mldtield. I consider this the championship game. Whoever wins Saturday will be North western champions. ... The Oregon Agricultural College rooters will reach Portland tomorrow morning, over 500 strong, accompanied by the students' band, and the rival bands and cheering sections will parade the downtown streets Just before the game, which is scheduled to begin promptly at 3:30 o'clock. An entire section has been reserved in both the grandtsand and the bleachers for each college. Coach Dobie, of Washington, Is not absolutely certain what backneld line up he will start against the Aggies. In the Idaho game he used Young at quar ter, Jacquot and Dorman halves, and Shiel, fullback. Jacquot. a 178-pounder, is sure to go In at right half, where Mucklestone starred last Fall, but Gal lagher, of Spokane, may be chosen to bear fullback duty. Gallagher weighs over 180 pounds, but Is slower than Shiel, another Spokane high graduate. Line Seen Here Bef'tre. The line will be the same, as seen in Portland last Fall with two, or pos sibly three exceptions. Grimm's end will be cared for by Clark, n Everett High 160-pound lad: either Devlne, of Pendleton, or Anderson, sub-tackle, will fill Pullen's hole at guard, and young Griffiths may beat Presley out of the center Job. The Oregon contenders will be prac tically as Etrong as when they appeared in Portland against Multnomah. Octo ber 19. Hauser's disbarment has sent Kvendan back to fullback. May step ping back Into hie old place at tackle. His Injured knee has rounded to in tine shape. Washington has chosen George Var nell, of Spokane, as referee, and the Oregon Agricultural College, Roscoe Fawcett. of Portland, as umpire. The two coaches will get together today to agree on a head linesman, with Robert Forbes, Martin Pratt. R. M. Hockin berry and William Schmitt, all of Port land, prospective. The Washington-Oregon game last Fall drew over 8000 enthusiasts, and Dow Walker, of' the Multnomah Club, predicts clos to that attendanee Sat urday, if the weather is good. SWIMMERS WILL VIE Stars From Spokane and Eu gene Seek Honors. FIVE TITLES ARE AT STAKE First Pacific Northwest Champion ships to Be Staged Tonight at Multnomah Tank Portland Has Good Entries. Inlervcliolastic Championship May Depend on ResultHigh School Boys Outweigh Hill. Washington High School will get the acid test in Its interscholastlc football league battle with Hill Military Academy at 3 o'clock today on Mult nomah Field. If Coach Earl's boys win. It will be four straight and will put the issue squarely up for decision in the Lincoln game November zz. But Coach Earl's- lads are not as confident as In previous contests of the Fall. Carl Wolff's Military men. although beaten in an earlv season game 13-10 by Jefferson, came back and tied both Lincoln and Columbia university. Washington has a little edge on Hill in weight, the averages being in the neighborhood of 158 pounds to 15a pounds. Whether or not Washington will be able to withstand tne terrinc assaults of Jack Day and Eddie Mc Allen Is problematical, but Coach Earl has evolved a special defense that he thinks will turn the trick. Laughton has been shifted from the backtielrl to the line while Baker, the end of the previous games has been placed in Laughton's former place, right half. Coach Earl gives no spe cial reasons for the change. The plac ing of Baker in the backfleld is ex pected to give more speed plays as he has shown considerable ability to move. The lineups low: Hill Mlllitary Brltt ft. Martin. .... Arthur - Olaen. Robintoa Graham tunsan Blarkistone . . . Klna Jonep McAllen J. Day Roaroe umpire. of the two teams fol T, E R .1. T R . L. O R ., C .R O L .. .R T I, . , . R K L. .. .Q B , 1. H R... F H v. R H I,... Fawcett, referee Washington High Laughton Beckett Mcl.ynn .-Edria or Foater ............ Moora Teisart Murphy Bovtt Baker Knouff . . . H. Normandln Martin. Pratt, SEASON BOWLING RECORD SET OREGON AGGIES EXPERIENCED Martin Rolls .2 16 In League Game With Honeyniaiis. Bowlers are beginning to warm up for the season's work and as a result the scores made in the Commercial League matches, Wednesday, night show a decided Increase. Martin changed the high man record from 237 to 246 as a member of the Honeyman team which defeated the Dooly & Co. aggregation three games straight. The White Crows took two games from the Lang & Co. team on the same night. The scores: First set. Honeyman Hardware Company, 860, 825 and 883: Dooley & Co.. 731. 74J and 706. The second match. White Crows, 809, 760 and 918; Lang &' Co., 773, 7S3 and 910. Washington Team Has Advantage Only In Few Pounds of AVeight. When the University of Washington appeared in Portland last Fall against Oregon. Coach Dobie had a team of 11 veterans. This Fall he has five out of 11 men who are playing their first year for the' purple and gold, and In experience, at least, the Oregon Agri cultural College will have a big edge tomorrow In the championship battle. Dolan has practically a veteran eleven mith Blackwell and Hofer his only re cruits, and both of them are stars. In .back fields the difference in ex perience is sharply marked. The Ore gon Aggies have Reynolds, a veteran of three years, at quarter: Evenden. a four-year man. at fall, and Shaw, a former Aberdeen star, playing his sec ond season, at right halfback. Black well, the wonderful Aberdeen fullback, at left half is the only newcomer and he la proving the sensation of the year. Washington, on the other hand, has four untried recruits In the back field, .nil the quartet have had considerable high school experience, bu whether the glamor of the big game will affect them can only be guessed at. The chances are they will perform like sea soned stock. Quarterback Young is a Seattle Lincoln High player. Dobie says he will be a better man than ,...-) - r. .- I, V. a q nil nnB.tanth thn time on him; Jacquot Is from one or not accede to the demand the little highs around Seattle; Dor man. from Everett an. Gallagher and Shlel from Spokane. Clarke, at left and. la also from Everett. Washington' back field, however. TINKER NOT TO BE MANAGER Cincinnati Club Turns Down Peal for Trade With Cubs. CINCINNATI. Nov. 7. Following a conference here today between Presi dent August Herrmann, of the Cincin nati club, and President Murphy, of the Chicago Nationals, the deal for Joe Tinker to act as manager of the Cin cinnati team next season was declared off. Herrmann said Murphy demanded that Bob Bescher. outnelder of the local team, be included with other players in the trade and that he could Cricketers Postpone Election. The Portland Cricket Club election of officers slated for Wednesday night was postponed indefinitely. The first Indoor swimmlrfg cham pionship meet in the history of the Pa cific Northwest Association of the Ama teur Athletic Union will be staged to night in the 25-yard Multnomah Club tank, aquatic stars from Spokane, Eu gene and other points vlelng with Port land champions for gold and silver medals emblematic of Northwest chain, pionsliips. The meet, open to the general public, starts promptly at 8 o'clock, with five championship events for the Northwest titles, .two sprints for Multnomah Club juniors, and exhibitions of fancy div ing and swimming by Arthur Cavill and Misti Vivian Marshall. The large squads of starters In each event will necessitate the swimming of all events, with the possible exception of the 880-yard, in heats of six starters each. Spokane Sends Three Star. Spokane has three cracks in Harry Goetz, 100-yard champion of the Inland Empire: F. J. Owens. Canadian middle distance champion, and E. Crueger. Goetz and Owens are entered in all events. Collister Wheeler, of the Portland Swimming Association: Lewis Thomas of Multnomah Club, and Gus Mankertz of the winged "M" squad, are expected to divide honors In the swims with the Spokane men. while a number of others are conceded excellent chances to carry off first honors in the various events, The officials of the meet will be: Frank E. Watklns. starter; Frank Har mar and C. Strube. clerks of course; Edgar Frank. T. Morris Dunne send D, J. O'Neill, timers: A. B. McAlpln, El wood ' Wiles and Harry Hamblett, Judges of finish: Bert Allen, Hal Ranch and Sim Bennett, judges of diving. Championship Entries Many. The events, together with the entries, follow: Pacific Northwest rhamplon ships, 100-yard Allen Noyes, Henry Hanno. Jr., E. F. Pautz, Dr. E. II. Hai- Iop, V. II. Dent, John McMurray, H. Wakeman, Lewis Thomas, Multnomah Club: N. Robs, Portland Swimming As sociation; K. Goetz, K. Crueger, Spo kane; Frame Gross, unattached. 220 yard Lewis Thomas. Gus Mankertz John McMurray, V. H. Dent, E. Pautz. Francis Kiernan. Fred Reid, Henry Hanno. Jr.. J. Fulton. Multnomah Club N. Ross, Portland Swimming Associa tion; B. Vlckers. Eugene; E. Crueger, Harry Goetz, Spokane: Frank Gross, unattached. 440-yard F. Reld, Gus Mankertz. J. Fulton, E. Pautz. Lewis Thomas. Multnomhh Club: C. Wheeler, N. Ross, Portland Swimming Associa tion: F. J. Owens, Harry Goetz, Spo kane. 880-yard Lewis Thomas, Gus Mankertz, F. Raid, Multnomah Club: N. Ross, C. Wheeler, Portland Swimming Association; H. Goetz, F. J. Owens, Spo kane. Fancy diving Dr. L. Manion, E. Sparmer, V. H. Dent,- Ted Preble. J. Fulton, Lewis Thomas, Multnomah Club:' Clair Tait, N. Ross, Portland Swimming Association: H. Goetz, Spo kane. The entries for the 60-yard race Multnomah Club day juniors Preston Holt, Jack Wright, Ned Shevlin. Donald McClintock, Erie Hopson, Vance Fer guson, Brazes Efflnger, Fred Norrls. Night juniors, 100 yards L. Hyams. S. Zimmerman. C. fjtrube, Jr., . Albert Krohn, R. Morrison, J. Adamson, Fran cis Kiernan. - All contestants will meet, no later than 7:30. o'clock. In the junior locker room to prepare for the various events. WOLVERTON IS NOT RETAINED Farrell Say ex-Oak Will Not Man age Yankees In 1913. NEW YORK. Nov. 7. President Far rell, of the New York Americans, said last night that Harry Wolverton would not be retained to manage the club next season. Wolverton's contract was for only one year, and upon its expira tion the manager will be a free agent. Wolverton was brought here from the Oakland. CaU club. The local club closed the season in last place. WHITMAN EXPECTS VICTORY Pullman Counts on Holding Walla Walla Men Down at Spokane. SPOKANE, Wash., Nov. 7. (Special.) Two strong conference teams will clash at Natatorium Park Saturday aft ernoon, "Whitman striving to trim the Washington State college and retatn a clean record in the battle for the cham pionship, while Pullman Is ready to go hammer and tongs to stop .the Walla Walla aggregation and march another step nearer a high ranking place in the conference. When the teams line up for the game the Whitman team will outweigh the Washington State College bunch by slight margin. Bender's team will av erage 171 pounds, while the Whitman eleven will tip the beam at 176. Niles, of Whitman, and Kienholz are slated for a kicking duel with odds slightly in favor of the Walla Walla star. The teams will line up as fol lows: - Position. w. s. c. R E L. Tyrer . . .R TL 8uver R a (Capt.) Hartar C. Harter LOR A. Qoff L T Applequist V E R. . . . , Dletz Q B Oaddla Whitman. Botts Nelll Clark McCoy .... Utter Cleman Slover G. Bowers Bloomqulst R H L Kienholz Dresser. Kinder..!, HR Coulter Nllea (Capt.) F B Waxier DOBIE BRINGS TWO FCLD TEAMS Washington t,o Send Train ful of Rooters to Saturday Game. UNIVERSITY OF WASHINGTON, Se attle. Wash.. Nov. 7. (Special.) Twenty-two men accompanied uoacn Dobie to Portland this afternoon. Dobie decided at the last minute to take two full teams with him. Sutton, the star right end, was left at home with a badly sprained ankle, and his place will be filled with Leader, formerly of Portland High School. Coach. Dobie has been working his men .overtime ever since me laano game, but on account oi tne continual rains he has been forced to stick to straight football to the exclusion of forward pass work. He predicts that Washington will be unable to use the open formation successfully, and is pessimistic as to the ability of his men to win at the line-plunging game. The men who compose the invading squad are: Presley,' B. Griffiths, centers; De vine," Anderson, Cox, Griffiths, Leader, guards; Paten, Friedman, Bruce, Bliss, tackles; Leader, Hunt, -Clark and Ab bott, ends: Young, Wand, quarter backs; Dorman. Miller, Chapman and Jacquot, halfbacks; Shiel and Gal lagher, fullbacks. Four hundred rooters, with a band, will leave Saturday morning by a spe cial train. WOLGAST FIGHT IS POSTPONED Coffroth Doesn't Want Champion 1,'ntfl New Year's Day. SAN FRANCISCO, Nov. 7. Although Ad Wolgast's manager, Tom Jones, gave Promoter Coffroth, of San Fran cisco, to understand several months ago that Wolgast would come here to box in defense of his -title on Thanks giving day, Coffroth wired Jones yes terday at New Orleans to postpone the match until New Year's day. ''In the meantime," said Coffroth, "I will endeavor to match Frankie Burns, of Oakland, with Willie Ritchie or Tommy Murphy, and put the winner against the champion on New Year's day. or I will try to get Mandot if he defeats Rivers." McCredie Does Not Want to Be Forced to Pay Men at Least $200 and Says Plan Would Work Against Youngsters. A player salary limit, $300 a month, or $200 a month, stares the Northwest ern League magnates in the face for the 1913 season. Should the Fielder Jones circuit secure the coveted A rat ing, the $300 figure, with a 16-man limit, may prevail; otherwise, the limit Is $200 for 13 men, or a possible maxi mum of $2600. These proposed salary standards are to be presented to the minor league bosses at Milwaukee on next Tuesday by President Sexton, of the National Association. Following the spreading of the news of the $6000 salary limit fixed by the American Association at a recent secret session, it developed that Sexton has a comprehensive plan for the regula tion of all minor league salaries, which he will press at the Milwaukee annual gathering. In addition to a maximum monthly salary for individual players. Sexton would fix a minimui . wage, togeth er with a player limit. He names the A maximum at $300 and minimum at $200, player limit 16: B, maximum $200, minimum $100, player limit 13: C, max imum $160, minimum $75; D, maximum $100, minimum $50. W. W. McCredie, president of the Portland Baseball Clubs. Is strongly opposed to the fixing of minimum sal aries, declaring that they wHl tend to keep young fellows out of the game. "A maximum salary is a good thing. If It can be enforced, but the estab lishment of such a high minimum is certainly bad for the youngsters," says President McCredie. "We have men on our AA club who receive under $200 a month, the A min imum, and other clubs of the same classification, as well as those under, certainly have youngsters just break ing in, who receive little over $100 when they secure their tryout. A min imum rate would tend to keep the amateurs out of professional baseball. as the average club-owner would hesi tate to pay a big salary to an untried man. Of course, the fixing of the salary or an A league player at no more than $300 does does not mean a $4800 salary roll each month, figured on the 16-man basis. On a graduated scale of pay. with youngsters figured at $200 and not half of the staff drawing down the $300, the average payroll would be considerably under $4000 and not much more than the Northwestern League pays today. President McCredie estimates that not. a club in the Northwestern League has a payroll much under $3500, with one or two over that, and this with a technical salary limit around $2750. Thus-It Is easy to see that the Northwestern- League can handle the pro posed A limit easily, with the nonsen sical minimum salary removed, and pay no more than at present. a The proposed B league limit, while reported to meet with the approval of the majority of leagues in that class, certainly would not prove alluring to the Northwestern League. The highest possible salary roll, exclusive of man ager, would be $2600 f o 13 players. and then each man would receive $200, no more and no less. Figure a few youngsters at from $125 to $150 who are trying out, and this would be im possible except when the limit was raised early in the season and towards the end, and the payroll would be not much over $2000. Give the Northwestern League an A classification and eliminate the $200 minimum, and Sexton's scheme would fit to a nicety in the Northwest, even though the Southern Leaguers are kicking against the $300 maximum. Their complaint is based upon the necessity of giving a few major league cantons of first-class salary demands but wobbly ability, in excess of $300, m "You've got to take these young pitchers and develop them yourself; it's iJSDEUVETQT CAR ' N 'fc!"9' fykf jf Yike the Telephone, the Studebaker "20" Puts You in Immediate Touch with All Your Customer. Unreason able requests for quick delivery are no longer a bugaboo. 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Which means that Mac is not bubbling over with confidence in his ability to add a couple of cham plonship twirlers to his staff by dicker ing with the minor league men at Mil waukee next week. McCredie is not the only Coaster who hopes to strengthen his pitching staff at Milwaukee, lor Bill Keidy, or tne San Franctsco Seals, says that he too is after a duo of high-class mound per. formers. "Two weeks of good weather is long enough period for anv training season," figures Manager "Mac.". "Of course, it's necessary to work out four weeks, in order to be prepared for bad weather, so we'll open up at Bakers fleld, Cal.; or some other Interior Cali fornia point, about March 1. so that we may be ready for the April 2 opening at San Francisco." McCredie leaves at 7 o'clock tonight on the Northern Pacific for Milwaukee to attend the minor league conven tion. "The best minor league park I have seen in the country," voted A. H. Scogal, Sioux City sporting editor, after taking a look at McCredie's baseball stronghold at Vaughn-street yesterday afternoon. Scogal is In Portland on his way to California, and spent the afternoon yesterday with Walter Mc Credie, a boyhood playmate. "Portland gets two corking good men in Pitcher Ellis and Shortstop Kores, of the Western League." says Scogal. "Ellis is a likely looking pitcher, al most as husky as McCredie, and with the malaria out of his system should have a wonderful year in 1913. Kores is lightning fast on His feet, hits well, and is developing rapidly." Duffy Lewis, the California boy who played In the world's series as a Bos ton outfielder. Is back Home looking about for a place to deposit his earn ings. Duffy dropped Into Alameda, his home town, and was on the job three days before the writers unearthed him. zfudaea HI Cfcmifptrtrffi iLfv OX MS DISRAELI Disraeli's words arc worth thought Nowadays, by a man's collar you may know him. Do not disregard rcollar. 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