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14 THE MORMXG OREGONIAN. FRIDAY, DECEMBER rf, 1909. BIRTH OF CHURCH IS CELEBRATED Grace Methodist Congregation Honors Twenty-fifth An-' niversary.- AGED MINISTER SPEAKS . Rev. John Flinn, 9 2 Years Old, Re cites Entire Chapter of Bible From Memory, Having; Forgotten His Spectacles Other Meetings. Unable to read without his spectacles and reciting- a chapter of the bible from memory, Kev. John Flinn, 92 years old, wag the principal speaker last night at the first of a scries of five consecu tive services celebrating the 25th anni versary of the " founding of Grace Methodist Episcopal Church. Twelfth and Taylor streets. Rev. John Flinn, said to have preached the second sermon ever de livered in Portland1, and termed "the Brand old man of Northwest Metho dism," delivered a short but feeling ad dress on the work of Grace Church. Preacher Recites Bible Chapter. Preceding his remarks, the aged min ister was called upon to read the 13th chapter of Corinthians. Tie had forgot ten his glasses, but recited the entire chapter from memory, frequently halt ing to comment on some pointed truth. "Evening and Morning." a sacred solo, was beautifully sung by Mrs. J. S. Hamilton. Several other songs were sung by the congregation. L.Jd by the pastor. Dr. J. H. Cudlipp. a love feast enjoyed for over an hour, consisting of "reminiscent short addresses by charter members of the church, there being IS present out of the original 101. Of this number X) are d?ad. The mem bership of the church Is now almost 600. Among the charter members who spoke v?re John Voi klsli. J. K. Gill. Dr. Rich mond Callahan. Dr. D. U Rader, editor of the Pacific Christian Alvoeate. and K. C. Frost, now of P-atlle.and formerly secretary of the local Y. M. C. A. Principal Services Tonight. The principal services will be held this evening and Sunday. Tonight's meeting will be held in the main auditorium and a large congregation Is expected to be preacuf. all ministers in the city and church ptoplo in general having been In vited. Tho programme as announced is a.s follows: Opening hmn; prayer. Benjamin Young. I . D. : greetings from former PKKtt.rs: hymn, original poem. Miss X. A. l-leUnson: .vocal solo, "Israel," F. S. Pierce: historian. Dr. Richmond Kellv; vocf 1 solo. Mrs. re. S. Miller: prophet. Dr. J. Cudlipp; hymn, reminiscences, so cial hour. The Saturday afternoon fervice will be devoted to the cl.ildw-n. being conducted by Mrs. "". v. Martindale. superintend ent of t'.ie Jt.nior League, and Mrs. C. A. Moi-;!en, superintendent of the primary department. On Sunday two of tho most eminent ministers In the Northwest will preach. Tim morning pulpit will be occupied by Dr. ticnry t. Rasmus, of .Spokane, pastor of the second largest Methodist Church in point or membership n the United Stat.-K. In the evening Dr. Clarence True Wilson, pastor of the Centenary Method ist Church here, will preach. RATE WAR SOUTH ENDED I'ip-htinjr Companies Agree on $11.50 Fare to I.os Angeles. By an announcement made yesterday by the Pacific Coast Steamship Com pany, of San Francisco, the rate war on between the Bay City and Los An geles was ended, although not without good results, all competing companies agreeing to a new schedule. During the war the rate from San Francisco to Los Angeles, first class, was $5.30, and second class $3.35. Formerly it was $12..r.O first class and $8.35 second class. The schedule just adopted pro vides a rate of $11.50 first class and $8.35 second class. The rate from Se attle to San Francisco was also low ered $2 in both classes. .Portland is not affected, save in the rate to Los Angeles. These rates will obtain through til Winter. "Mr. Hopkinon' Amnei All. "Mr. Hopkinaon" continu4Kto attract th nli t ft of Portland's playgoers to the Port land Theater this week. The encasement rloes Saturday night. The company goes Irom h?re to Seattle, and then rapidly Kast. where the demand for Dallas Welford and hi company Is wuch as to rauxe the Shu herts to reusll them before their Coast trip la completed. Bujrl. Band at Bungalow Tonight. The attraction at the Bungalow Theater," Twelfth and M.orrlson streets, tonipht at 8:15 o'clock and continuing tomorrow (Saturday nifrht, with a special matinee tomorrow, will be a grand concert and entertainment hy th Duke of ConnauRht's Bugle Band. This famous organization will furnish music-lovers and theater-goers in general a most novel programme. Orpheum H Excellent Rill. Harry Fox and the Mlllership sisters are responsible for much mirth and some ex ceptional novelty dHnrinp at the Orphvum this week. Mr. Fox introduces several Rood sngs and hU line of breezy conversation bring forth volumes of laughter from the a-jdience. The young ladles are attractive and their dances are all graceful and well executed. , Woman's Terrible Plunge. On a fto-pound bicycle Carlotta takes a terrible plunge at every performance this week at the Grand. She loops the loop at lightning speed and lives to tell the tale. This is the only woman who has success fully accomplished this death-defying foat In a vaudeville theater. So big Is the act that the theater had to be altered to per mit the use of the apparatus. rantagra' tn Bill. A vaudeville that Is welt worth a long tramp to see is on the boards at Fantages thU week. Among the many excellent acts are the delightful KngUsh society enter tainers, Koene and Adams, and Coyne and Tinlon, master' atrobats. While very dif ferent, both acts servo the same end, la other words, are splendid entertainment. Th. Slim of the Fbur." At the I.yrlo Theater the popular Athon ttook rftmrsny ia proclurtiie before larse and enthusiastic audiences Sir A. ronaa loyIe's preatest toy of the Sherlock Holmes series. "The Sign . of the Four." William Howard, in the role of Sherlock Holmes, is seen at hU best- COMING ATTRACTIONS. Set ficlltajrior "Soul Kisa." ' ezinnias Best Sunday slgbu December J. Amusements What the Pin AffCBte ar. 5. and continuing the following three nights, wjth a special matinee Wednesday afternoon, the attraction at the Bungalow Theater. Twelfth and Morrison streets, will be the famous musical play ruccess. Th4 Soul Kiss." This brilliant musical comedy has been the rage in the Kasi for the past two years. "Forty-five Minute. From Broadway. At the Baker Theater all next week the original company and production of George M. Cohan's famous comedy, "Forty-five Min utes From Broadway"-will bo the attraction. It will open Sunday matinee and seats are selling rapidly in advance, showing the im mense popularity of this great success In Portland. Charlev Brown is seen in his old role of "Kid Burns." Novelty Sketch at Orpheum. ' Fay. Two Coleys and Fay. an original black-face act. called "The Minstrels," will be on the new bill at the Orpheum, begin ning next Monday. December . They rep resent members of an "t:ncle Tom's Cabin troupe which has stranded in a small town. The situations are screamingly funny and introduce some clever new songs and danc ing numbers. Matinee every cay. e Bohemian (Sextette. The Bohemian Sextette, one of the big gest singing acts brought to this country, has been booked" by Sullivan & Consi dine for a special limited tour of their circuit- The sextet is som posed of continental singers -with reputations, featuring Arthur Deane, the Australian tenor. Myrtles Byrnes & Co., sharpshooters, will be a special added attraction. Originals at Panraees. In these days of diversified entertainment GROUP OF. DAIRY MAIDS IN THE DAIRY MAIDS'- DANCE, IN THE FRENCH FETE. 1 I ' - - r MISS KATHLKGX FARRKLL, MISS it. Is hard to And an act original and worth while-, but the Tyrolean sextet, tomins to Pantagos next week, v.-tli be one .if the finest offerings vaudeville patrons will have an opportunity to enjov this reason, as the organization comes direct from sensational Kuropean triumphs for a very short West ern tour. FRENCH FETE TONIGHT MICH-HEKALDED ESTEKTAIX MENT OPENS AT BAKER. Children, Arrayed In Krencli Cos tumes of Age Ago, Will Dance for Sweet Charity Much-heralded and ushered in by the sound of trumpet, the initial pro duction of the French Fete will be piven tonight at the Baker Theater, t.'lad in picturesque French costumes of half a century agro, over 300 grace ful young: lads and lassies, all resi-" dents of Portland, will disport them selves on a village green, and make merry through the games and frolics of a pleasant holiday.. A continual carnival of brilliant teol or and beautiful dancing is scheduled, in which madcap gypsy revels, wild mountain gallops, piper's strains, and venders- pranks, with showers of roses as the May pole is wound above tho kneeling figures, constitute the first half of the lengthy programme. . Courtly pages and their partners in clude Master Frederick Bingham and little Eva Burchard, Master William Challener and Iela Aplin.- Master Earle Laremore and Dorothy Thomas, Master George Vincent Knight and Margery Garden. These pay obeisance to their sovereign. Queen "Marie Antoinette, followed by the beautiful French bal let." given by the. following girls: Martha Loretz. Frieda Altstadt, Vida Mcintosh. Gladys Covert, Muriel Bantz, Ijorene Duncan, Flora Dill. Alice Bol linger, Janet Hyndman, Sadie Mcintosh, Nettie Clovis. Hazel Strief. Nadyne Baker. Helen Ostrander, Virginia Peter son, Wanda Rosenstock, Alary Burns and Ruth Wielanck Those who will appear in the Baby Minuet -dance are: Master Ralph Zim merman and Madeleine Baker, leaders; Master Henry Folz and Marie Arpin, Master Allan Bracher and Virginia McMulIen, Master George Mead and Theodosa Deschner, Master Sheldon Smith and Elizabeth Gay. Court singer and Greeks dancer vie, for royal smiles; dairymaids may win the Queen's bouquet, and shepherd lads and lassies will be there. The event promises to be" one of the best entertainments of the season. MAN'S THREAT SEPARATES Albany Court Grants Woman Di vorce Erom Husband. ALBANV. Or.. Dec. 2. (Special.) 'Mrs. Stella Kecf, who alleged that her hus band threatened to "cut out her heart and carry it to the hogs," secured a de cree of divorce in the State Circuit Court here last eveninr from Michael Kcef. Kcef made no defense. Marriage IJcenses. CALLAHAN-MfLVEt Prank K. Calla han, ::;, city: Mamie K. Mulvey. ".", city. HKRALll-DBARBOBN Arthur O. Herald. SO. t-itv: Dr. Blla K. Dearborn, 38, city. OOKMANOVICH-VIJICK1 Velko Uok manovich. 28, citv: Mileva Vijickl, 23, city. THOMAS-T.VAK13 Guy T. Thomas. 20, Spokane; TUtth S. Taakc. 26", city. COilN-NfOENT G. Curtis Cohn. 35. Chi cago, in.; M. Margaret Nugent, 29, city. RITERT-HEESER James A. Rupert, 37, Clatskanio: K. Iteeser, 40, city. TINKKR-WOTT Harry II. Tinker, over 21, Long Beach, Wash.; Irene M. Scott, over 18. city. CRITTCNDEN-PAMFKEI John A. Crit tenden, ;:4, city; Klvira J. Pamfrey, 31, city. SILL1VAN-PEARSOX Fred Sullivan. 33. city; 'hristophena Pearson, 2.1, city. SHAOU-GH.BKKTH Kred M. iShaosr. 22. city: Anna Oilbreth. 20. city. O ALL.lt S A N-HOSFORD George T. Galli san, over 21, city; Carman S. Hosford, over IS. city. WlbtJAMS-CARROLL S. Murray Will lams. 26. city; Helen Carroll. 25, city. TVeddinp and visiting cards, w n Smith &. Co., Washington bids , 4th and Wash, . ! WATER TOO CHEAP Mayor and Board Discussing Advance of Rates. 75 CENTS TO BE MINIMUM How to Induce Contractors to Bid on Mains Is Puzzling Problem. 1 New Plan to " Be Submitted to Voters in February. Water rates will be materially higher next year, as it is (the intention of Mayor Simon and members of the Exe cutive Board to fix a minimum scale for meters, probably 75e a month. PMTLDTE HEIXTZ ASD MISS The board will meet this afternoon, but whether the question of new rates will be discussed or acted upon Is unknown. If not it will be taken up at the next session, which is scheduled for Tuesday, December 14 , Under the meter system now in vogue the rates are so low that they are characterized as absurd, it costing only 30 or 40 cents a month in many in stances, and in nearly every case the price is reduced one-half. People who used to pay $1 a month frequently es cape 'with one-third that ' sum or even less. The revenue has thus been great ly lessened, and it is certain that this will be remedied, and everyone will have to pay at least 75 cents a month for water. Rates Now Ridiculously Low. "Any householder who cannot afford to pay 75 cents a month for Bull Run water had best-not keep house," is the opinion of Mayor Simon. It is ab surd to think of any one paying only 30 or 40 cents a' month for such a pure supply of water, and the rates will cer tainly be advanced. I think it will meet with the general approval o the public, for I feel sure that everyone is willing to pay at least 75 cents for a month's supply of this water." The rate for next year,' (however-, is not the question that is agitating the Mayor, and Commissioners Wilcox, Ainsworth and Mackay. How to get contractors to bid on laying water mains, is the big issue. Mayor Simon and the members of the board believe it will all be settled when the people have an- opportunity within the next two months to vote on the proposed change in the system of paying for these mains. Under the present system all mains under 10 Inches in. diameter are in stalled at the cost of the abutting property, this being the law- voted by the people, but apparently without the knowledge of the result. It has been foufld impossible to. get contrac tors to bid on the work with this plan, as they- fear they cannot collect. Scarcely any pipes have been installed since the law took effect, and the board lias virtually abandoned hope of dong anything while it is in effect. Former System favored. Mayor Simon and the members of the board, as well as many others, favor returning to a system - similar to that which was in effect when the present law was voted. Then, all mains were laid at the expense of the water fund. It is the purpose of the Mayor to sub mit a proposed amendment to the elec torate, probably in February, changing to a plan whereby every main will be laid from water receipts and from the bond Issue already voted. ' Owing to the fact that It is planned to lay not less than 90. miles of hard surface streets, next Summer, it is of the utmost importance, the Mayorv declares, that such a.n amendment to the charter be passed. Otherwise, lie states, it is going to be impossible to get any pipe laid, and he will not per mit pavements to be laid ahead of the water mains, as it is his firm determi nation to minimizo the cutting of these pavements. "I am , confident, " said the Mayor, "that the people will adopt the proposed amendment to the charter so that wo, can lay water mains at the expense of the water fund, and repay anv who may have paid for -mains in the'mean time. It is unjust to expect a ' few people to pay for their mains after all the system lias been installed under the old plan of- paying for h pipes from water receipts, and I'shall Include in the amendment a provision for re payment to - all who have paid for mains under the present system." MORE SHACKS ARE DOOMED Teal and Lewis to Improve Sixth - and Burnside Corner. , Another group of shack: in Portland is to give way to a modern building in the near future. J. N. Teal and Allen Lewis yesterday purchased from Percy H. Rlvth and Lewis "RnsKell a thit-H l,iiar..ct in the 70x100 feet at the northwest corne of Sixth and Burnside streets-, for $30,000, or on a basis of $120,000 for tho entire quarter block and $90,000-for tho 70 feet on the corner. The property, on which two shacks stand, which Bring in but a nominal rental, is to be improved "vith a. modern structure as soon as Mr. Teal TABLESPOON FUL Digests 214 Pounds of Any Kind of Food You ' . Like to Eat. And Nothing Else in the World but Kodol Will .DoJThis. You can eat what you want of the food you lnfe, and have no fear of Indi gestion or Dyspepsia, if you will only take a little Kodol now and then to help your stomach do its itv-ork. If you enjoy ham and eggs, or bacon, potatoes, hot biscuits, cakes, a nice little steak, a good wholesome dinner, 'or any food that you may want to eat,, you need not hesitate, if you -will only take a little Kodol after your meals. Kodol is the only preparation that will do the work of a healthy stomach. You might take a handful of tablets, powders, or others dry forms of so-called digesters, and they wouldn't do you as much good as one tablespoonful of Kodol. We don't ask you to take our word for this. Prove it to yourself. Don't take any chances on having Nervous Dyspepsia, Gastritis, Acute Indigestion, and other serious stomach ailments. Get a bottle of Kodol today on our guarantee. If it falls to help you, it costs you nothing. Our guarantee Get a dollar bottle of Kodol. If you are riot benefited the druggist will at once return your money. Don't hesitate; any druggist wilVsell you Kodol on these terms. True dollar bottle contains iy times as much as the 50c bottle. Kodol Is pre pared, in the laboratories of E. C. DeWitt & Co.. Chicago. returns from New York, when the final ! plana for buildipg will be arranged. j The property Is described as lot 1 and ' the south 20 feet of lot 4, block 44, Couch's Addition. Mr. Teal and Mr. Lewis al-' ready owned two-thirds of th property and thtnugh this purchase become its sole owners. The quarter block was bought jointly by ATien Lewis. J. N. Teal, Russell & Blyth and Mrs. H. W. Goode three years ago for $91,000. Later Mrs. Goode took tile inside 30 feet as her share : and each of the other owners a third in- ; terest In the 70x100 feet. 1 A fine structure will be erected, but the improvement plans will not be fully de termined until Mr. Teal returns, from a visit to New York. He is expected to re turn for the Christmas holidays. PARK BOARD ISGENSURED KOSK SOCIETY CONDEMNS RE MOVAL OF 5000 PLANTS. Block Near Center of City Asked on Which to Make Permanent Display. Removal of the 5000 rose planta from the' Park blocks, where they were planted two years ago by the people of the city, called forth general indignation from the members of the Portland Rose Society, at its meeting in the Commercial Club last night and the Park Board was criticised severely for its action. The meeting adopted a resolution authorizing Its presi dent and secretary. Bmmett Drake and Gerree Tazwell, respectively, to ask the Park Board to explain its action and tell where the rose bushes have been placed. Nobody at the meeting seemed to know where the bushes had been taken. If one of the park blocks should be 6et aside for roses, as requested," the society will favor making it the place in which to plant the roses that are expected from foreign countries A. block as near the center of the city as possible is desired for that purpose. A suggestion made at the meeting by Walter Seaberg, that the Park Board be asked to set aside one of the park blocks to be devoted entirely to the. cultivation of roses, was received with approval. The following executive committee was created: E. B. McFarland, chairman; Mrs. A. C. -Panton, Mrs. S. P. Ixickwood, Mm W. M. Cake and W. S. Sibson. Max G- Cohen, secretary of the society, resigned and George Tazwell was named in his . stead. Fifty new members were admitted. It is hoped to increase the membership during the next year to 2500. A meeting wax held last night, also by the Peninsula Rose Carnival Association, and a committee was appointed to begin active soliciting for funds for next year. This committee consists of H. G. Sibray, chairman: S. T. Kilpatrick, R ,G. Brand and M. II. Carter. This association is planning to keep a band at the Union Depot during the car nival next year and to pVovide roses to incoming passengers, just as it did last year, in addition to which it' is planned to Increase the association's display of flowers. The executive!-committee of the Penin sula Association was increased from 10 to 20 members. THE BIG SUIT SALE. Don't miss, the great suit sale today, at Mo Allen-McDonnell's; regular $36 to 40 values at $16.75. See our windows! Chinese "Smugglers Sentenced. Chow Bot was sentenced to serve nine months in the County Jail and Yip Fong and Chow Fat to serve six months each in the samf prison, in the United States SECRET WORKER The Plan Upon 'Which Coffee Operates. Coffee is such a secret worker that it Is not suspected as the cause of sick ness or disease, but there Is a very sure way to find out the truth. A lady In Memphis gives an interest ing experience her husband had with coffee. It seems that lie had been using it for some time and was an invalid. The physician in charge shrewdly suspected that coffee was the "Worm at the root of the tree." and ordered it dis continued with instructions to use Postum regularly In its place. Tiie wife says: "We found that was the true remedy, for his stomach and heart trouble and we would have gladly paid a hundred times the amount of the doctor's charge when we found how wise his judgment was. The- use of Postum instead of coffoe was begun about a year ago,-and it has made my husband a strong, well man. He lias gaine-l thirty-five pounds in that time and his stomach and heart trouble have all disappeared. "The first time I prepared It I did not boil It long enough and ho said there was something wrong with it. Sure enough it did taste very flat, but the noxt morning I followed directions carefully, boiling it for fifteen minutes, and he remarkad "this is better than any of the old coffee.' "We use Postum regularly and nev-r tire of telling our friends of the benefit we have received from leaving off cof fee." ' . Lok for the little "book, "Tho F.oad to Wellviile," in pkgs. "There's a Rea son." Ewr re- - the uliove lettrrr A neir one appears from time to time. They lire stenulnc, true, and fall of human Interest. MY SAMPLE SHOES ARE SUPERIOR SHOES, THEY ARE THE PICK AND w: FOR WOMEN A PAIR PORTLAND'S BUSIEST SHOE SHOP POSITIVELY NO BRANCH HOUSES IN PORTLAND THESE SHOES OPEN DAILY 8 A. M. TO 6 P. M. SIXTH FLOOR OREGONIAN BUILDING ROOMS 600-601 Court yesterday for having aided In smuggling Chinese laborers into the United States. In addition to the jail sentence, the Chinese were fined $10 each. They were charged with having conspired to bring Chinese into Portland ojj the steamer Henrik Ibsen, about a month ago. Trlnceton Rearing San Francisco. SAN FRANCISCO, Dec. 2. The gun- boat Princeton, which has been ordered to The Best Del A Tomato, you know, is nearly all water. If you take off the skin, there is not enough fibre left to hold it together, so that in stewing Tomatoes, you never add water there is enough without it. Some canned Tomatoes, most brands, in fact, are watery and mushy, so that when you buy a'can you buy more water than real Toma to meat. Water, at the price of Tomatoes, is expensive. In the Del Monte brand we take out most of the water; We pack over a million bushels of Tomatoes a year, under 400 differ ent labels. Some sell as low as four or five cans for 25c, but Del. Monte retails at 12 4c per can. But if you will weigh the actual Tomato -meat of the cheaper can, after draining off all the water or juice, and then do the same with Del Monte, you will find that Del Monte contains two or three times We Paclc But you have no way of knowing them. We put up over four hundred different brands of canned and dried fruits, vegables, jams, jellies, preserves catsups, honey and condiments. Host of the brands are for dealers who own their own labels. Quality does not affect the wholesomeness of the goods. All packers, we believe, put up only wholesome (2) Cocoa Fact No. 7 Ecuador (South America) furnishes nearly one - fifth of the world's production of ;ecoa beans, now esti mated at 300,000,000 pounds. A world-wide de mand exists for Ecuador cocoa beans, for which that country enjoys a high rep utation. We import the best direct. ' BUY SAMPLE SHOES. rs& ARE REGULAR $3.50 TO $6.00 VALUES TAKE ELEVATOR! Corinto, but ran aground off Willapa, Wash., Monday night, is expected to ar rive here some time tomorrow. According to advices received ty the Government wireless stations, the Princeton passed down the coast off the Columbia bar early last evening. Actor Held as Vagrant. DENVER, Dec. 2. A German, giving .the name of Adolphus Boehrme, and asserting he Is well known as an actor I in his native country, was arrested from a Million Bushels Monte Tomatoes Canned Fruits and Vegetables Packed Where They Ripen The Day They're Picked choose the best Other Brands as Good as CALIFORNIA' FRUIT CANNERS ASSOCIATION SAN FRANCISCO, CALIFORNIA The Largest Canners of Fruits and Vegetables in the World The goodness comes not from the making, but from the cocoa. " 4 is good, because it is perfect and pure. Don V ask merely for cocoa ask for GhirardellPs. , CREAM OF THE SHOE WORLD FOR MEN NEVER PAY MORE THAN THESE PRICES POSITIVELY NO BRANCH HOUSES IN PORTLAND OPEN SATURDAYS 8 A. M. TO 10 P. M, SIXTH FLOOR OREGONIAN BUILDING ROOMS 600-601 here today as a vagrant and placed in jail. He had a list of German resi dents of Denver whom, he says, he was trying to interest in a German play. General Adams Dies. WASHINGTON, Dec. 2. While on a visit to this city from his home at Charleston. S. C. Brigadier-General Henry M. Adams. V. S. A., retired, died yesterday morning. He was 64 years old. " A PAIR as much actual Tomato meat as other brands. Del Monte is the choice pack of the world's largest canners. We pack all grades of Toma toes. All are wholesome. All -are packed under the most sanitary conditions. But, they vary in the quantity of Tomato meat contained, as compared to the water or juice. A can of .Del Monte brand is nearly all Tomato. v' - Del Monte Tomatoes are vine-ripened, care fully washed, peeled ana cored. It is im possible to have all Tomatoes on even one vine alike. For the Del Monte brand we Greater care is used in the handling. A large percentage of the water is taken out. You get the best we know how to make. You are always sure if you get Del Monte. Del Mbnte Roods. Quality refers to flavor and the quantity of solid vegetable or ruit meat as compared to the water or juice. If you were able to select all other gootl brands from those of cheaper quality, you would get exactly the same quality as you obtain in Del Monte, but there is no way in which you can tell which are sate, except by specifying Del Monte.