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VOI. XLV- NO. 14,021. PORTLAND, OREGON, WT3DNESDAY, NOVEMBER 15,' 1905. PRICE FIVE CENTS. VftLLEY EXTENDS A FRIENDLY HAND Portland Business Men Made Very Welcome. BONO OF UNITY IS FORGED Pilgrimage. Takes as Far as Salem for the Night. CAPITAL CITY IS CORDIAL DcBlre Is Shown for Aid Prom the Metropolis in the Development of the Valley, Especially by Opening Locks. ITIKERARV OF riLGIUMS. Tuesday Oregon City, Canby, Barlow, Aurora, Hubbard, Woodburn, Sllverton, Mount Anrcl, Gervals, Brooks, Salem. "Wednesday Ashland. Medford, Jack sonville, Central Point, Gold Ray, Gold Hill, Grant's Pass, Merlin, Glcndale, Riddle, Myrtle Creek, Rosebur. Thursday Oakland, Toncalla, Drain, Cottate Grove, Creffwell, Eucene, Junc tion City, Harrlsbure. Halsey, Shedd, Tancent, Albany. Friday Turner, Jefferson, Lebanon, Corvallls, Independence? Monmouth, , Dallas, McMlnnvllle, Forest Grove, HUls boro. 3T EDGAR B. PIPER. SALEM, Or., Nov. 14. (Staff correspond ence.) This "Willamette Valley has opened its arms to the business men of Portland. In the words of the old hymn: This Is the way they long have soucht And mourned because they found It not. The people of the Valley are unfelgn edly glad to see their friends from Port land, but they have been wondering for a Ions time why Portland dia rifct take greater trouble to cultivate more firendly social relations, a closer spirit of har mony, a stronger bond, of unity, That is about the way they .express it.. .They ad mit that they receive frequent visits from the representatives of Portland's com mercial activities, but these were entire ly in the- line of trade. When the recent excursion went to Eastern Oregon and Idaho, Valley folks did not attempt to conceal their Injured feelings. They said openly that Portland did not care to seek their society be cause Portland did not deem it neces sary. It was really more than they meant and more than they felt, because the people of the Valley knew always that Portland was aware of their high qualities as citizens and the value and need of their good will. Second of the Formal Calls. This business of making formal calls on their neighbors and friends is a. new thing for Portland. They sought first- the comparative strangers of Idaho, because it happened at that time to be opportune. They hastes now to present themselves In person to the people of Salem, Oregon City, Sllverton, Woodburn and all the other towns in the Willamette Valley, because they want to assure them that Portland desires so far as It can to make the whole state a happy family. This is the spirit in which the present journey is- undertaken. Portland finds that the business men and citizens in all lines of industry are ready to meet them more than half way. At Salem tonight there was a formal welcome, in which the cordial sentiment of the beautiful capital city was made manifest to all visitors. Salem appeared to be proud of Portland, and congratulat ed that city on its magnificent progress during the past several years. It did more It assured the Portland visitors that the people of the Valley felt an in terest in the deepening of the Columbia river and the Improvement of Its entrance second only to the interest of Portland. Interchange of Aid. Salem did still more It manifested a desire to secure the aid of Portland m the development and improvement of the Valley, with especial reference to the locks at Oregon City, which are, through its tolls, a permanent handi cap to the development of the Valley commerce. If Salem had any notion that Port land desires at this time to 'pick up all the state buildings and remove the capital to Portland, it has probably ere this changed its mind, for they were Hssured by various speakers that Port land is content to have the capital re main where It is. This expression was received by Salem with unbounded sat isfaction. People here were pleased, too, with the many compliments palj their broad and well-kept streets, their tasteful homes, beautiful lawns, thrifty inhab itants and the general aspect of happi ness and well-being which the entire i Itj presents. Hie "Salem hog" was nowhere in : o ide'hee there Is no such animal. Salem did not even hint that there Is a Portland hog. which, in view of some of the. recent remarks of Salem news papers was very considerate indeed. Salem feels a great deal better for the visit of Portland so does Portland. Jf the remainder of the Journey shall be ns successful In stirring up enthusiasm and promoting a general spirit of com radeship between the various towns of Oregon, Jt will have been all that its promoters dreamed it would be. EVERY BERTH IS OCCUPIED Xcarly All of Original Party Take the Pilgrimage. SALEM. Or.. Nov. 14. (Staff Correspon dence.) The business men's excursion oc cupies three Pullman cars, a day coach, a diner and a baggage car. and numbers S4 people, all principals or important repre sentatives of the leading commercial es tablishments of the city. There 1b not an empty seat or berth on the ontirc train. The demand for accommodations was from the first so great that" a large waiting list was created, from which names could be drawn to supply vacan cies which might occur in the original schedule, but It happened that almost everyone who planned to go showed up at the Union Station at 12 o'clock today and the waiting list for the most part is still waiting. The only salvation for any future "excursion by the Portland business men would seem to be to provide two trains. Chairman Plttock and Man ager Richardson would have not the slightest trouble in filling them. . The first stop was at Oregon City. Everyone knew all about Oregon City and Its development in the past ton years Into a splendid manufacturing center. Oregon City Ii not a suburb of Port land. It has a complete and distinct Identity of Its own. Nevertheless it has a share In the commercial and social life of Portland that gives it a special sympathy with and knowledge of all the purposes and ambitions of the larger 'city. Therefore, the committee that came to the train did little more than to re ceive the business men informally and to wish them Godspeed on their mis sion. , Lawyer Hedges made a very good speech and the pilgrims took a short run around the town, interviewing the busi ness community and looking over the splendid manufacturing establishments grouped around the Willamette's fall, v. Pioneer Makes Special Trip. At Canby there was an Interested group at the train, but there were no formalities. An interesting incident was the presence at the station of Mr. Evans, a pioneer, who came to Oregon 5S years ago. Mr. Evans special errand at Canby today was to meet Mr. Pittock, himself something of an old-timer. F. A. Rosen krans, one of Canby's prosperous store keepers, invited everybody into his store and distributed a large number of vers' choice apples. Tou might-not think 'these apples are much of a treat, but these were Oregon apples, the choicest and the most luscious grown in the neighbor hood of Canby. At Barlow the school children marched down to the station under the direction of their fair teachers,- Miss Karr and Miss At Hubbard 11C school children sang a sang and various citizens distributed many Targe" and beautiful, apples which .were' suitably int crlbcd with suggeBtiye mottos. Among others was this: "if you will leave your name and address you will receive a- large and choice Hubbard pump kin for Thanksgiving." Tou might try It. Where Socialism Worked Out. Aurora had a coterie of citizens at the depot to tell the Portland pilgrims about the prosperity and thrift of the town which the Giesies and the Snyders and many other pillars of the old .German commonwealth made famous in the an nals of Oregon. If any of the statesmen and publicists now much before the public In exploiting the charms of Socialism will come to Aurora and Inquire into Its his. tory. they will find a remarkable example of the successful working of their theo ries. Aurora is no longer a co-operative com munity, because the old fathers who founded the colony and gave to the world a living example of industry, self-help, self-denial and true fellowship have long since passed away. But it is a fine little place. Aurora is in the center of a splen-. did hop country, and it is growing. A new bank has just been started, with de posits of $42,000. which will, doubtless, reach $100,000 before another year. At Wocfidburn, Walter Tooze, of course, made the address of welcome, and J. M. Poorman, of course, took it upon himself to show many of the visitors around the town. ' Nothing more needs to be said about Woodburn, except that the town has 1500 people, makes the finest axhandles In the world, and is one of the brightest and most active towns in the iower Wil lamette Valley. Where Homer Davenport? Lived. At Woodburn, the main line of the Southern Pacific was left, the next desti nation being Sllverton, made famous in story and caricature by Homer Davenport. The things Homer Davenport has said about Sllverton, I think, are actionable It is not a village with-one street, un painted dwellings, vagrant cows, a single store, a covered bridge, a blacksmith shop and sleepy citizens with long whiskers who do nothing all day long but sit around on store boxes, whittle soft-pine sticks, spit at a mark and talk politics. 'That is the Sllverton of Davenport's fond Imagi nation. The real Sllverton is a town of 1500 peo ple, with two banks, many modern stores, carefully kept streets, tasteful dwellings, a first-class water system, a brand-new Opera-House and an enterprising and go ahead population. To be sure, Ai Coolldge and T. W. Davenport still survive, hon ,ored pioneers of a former generation, but there are Mayor Lou Adams, Dr. F. M. Brooks, James Craig. J. E.' Folfard, A. Wolfe and many others, who made It their business to tell the Portland people just what they were doing, and how they arc doing it. They brought out the cele brated Sllverton band, which marched the visitors up town and back again. The school children lined up on the walk In fiont of th new public school, and somebody brought from somebody's barn two magnificent Clydesdale stallions, one of which won the first prize at the Lewis and Clark stock show. This all shows -very well what Sllverton is and Is trying to do, and Portland came away with a very agreeable impression indeed of the beautiful little town on Silver Creek. Mount Angel is the seat of the splendid (Concluded . on Cgafc 7i) 111N FUND lit BAD MUDDLE Oregon and Washington Suffer From Effects of "Too . r Many Cooks."' ALL PROJECTS ARE TIED UP Money Allotted for Work Which Is Postponed, Yet Xonc for Prac ticable Ones Amount in Fund Uncertain. - OREGONIAN NEWS BUREAU. Wash ington. Nov. 14. "The Malhour irrigation project In Eastern Oregon Is recking with graft." said a high official of the Interior Dopartmont today, "and until this graft has boon eliminated the Government will not adopt and build the project which the Reclamation Service has prepared. The Government does not propose to be held up." Thjs statement was made by an official very close to Secretary Hitchcock, and he, apparently, knows whereof he speaks. for he but recently returned from Malheur County, where he made careful investiga tion into the entire Irrigation situation, and found such conditions as warranted him In recommending against the imme diate construction of that project. It is his candid opinion that the time Is remote when the Government will undertake the construction of the Malheur project: In deed, he has doubts whether that project will ever be built by Government aid. Tied Up by Technicalities. Notwithstanding It has been determined indefinitely to postpone construction of this project, because of the recommenda tion of the reclamation engineers, backed by the report of this official, the 5200.000 allotted for Its construction are tied up, and. apparently, are not to be expended on any other work In Oregon, although the Reclamation Service is anxious to use about half that money In building the Umatilla project, which has been found both feasible and desirable. Yet the Uma tilla project Is sidetracked, not alone be cause of alleged "lack of money." but be cause of a small technicality that might be.-S.a.lvfd- If this project could be im-mt-d lately approved and thfr money fet aside for ;ltV construction, it would be completed In every detail within 12 mbnths and 1?.C00 acres of valuable land could be placed under water before the season of 1907 opens, not to mention about 13.000 acres of additional land that could be irri gated In the flood season. If Mr. Hitch cock would but approve the Umatilla project, the Reclamation Service is ready to begin Its construction immediately, and its recent recommendation to the Secretary is an indication of Its anxiety to "do something"" for Eastern Oregon. No Just Objection. There is no Just reason why the Uma tilla project should be delayed one day. It has been demonstrated that there is money available: the technical objection is trivial, and ought to be waived. The Maxwell Company merely asks to retain 300 acres, with water right, but Mr. Hitch cock rules that, under the law, this com pany can have but 160 acres, with water right, overlooking entirely the fact that the three members of the Maxwell Com pany! should they make entry Individ ually, could each hold 100 acres, or 480 acres In all, with water rights attached. They cut their request to 300 acres, which is all they care to retain. But the Secre tary is firm on this point. Ho overlooks the fact that these men already own more than one-third of the project, and are will ing to sell out to the Government at what has been pronounced a reasonable figure, and the whole project is virtually turned down because of this minor detail. The same thing is true of the Sunny side project In the Yakima Valley In Washington. The Sunnyside canal own ers arc willing to sell out for H.50O.C0O, but they ask to retain more than 150 acres of the land they now own, with water right attached, and the Secretary Is unwilling to grant them this privilege. bo ne noias up that project, which in the opinion of the reclamation engineers is very attractive and can be acquired to advantage at this time. Washington Projects Tied Up. Representative Jones, through his Sec retary, today made inquiry as to why Mr. Hitchcock refused to approve the Tioton and Okanogan projects and found, as pre viously stated in these dispatches, that both were sidetracked "because there is no money." Nearly "a year ago Mr. Hitch cock allotted 42.SOO.O00 for the construction of the Palouse project, but tho reclama tion" engineers recommended indefinite postponement of this undertaking, and it has been temporarily abandoned because of excessive cost. It has been decided to withdraw tills allotment, which contains enough money to build the Tleton and Okanogan projects and purchase the Sun nyside canal as well, yet the department still cries, "No money." There Is much quibbling among officials over the exact status of irrigation projects In Oregon and Washington, but the situation Is as repre sented: there is money enough in both states for Immediate work, but Mr. Hitch cock refuses to authorize its expenditure. Affairs Badly Muddled. This situation brings to light the fact that the management of reclamation fund has become badly Involved In the last few months. According to official figures. Mr. Hitchcock has allotted $31,009,000. when In fact -there are only J2S.OW.003 In the fund. Since that embarrassment became apparent, the figures have been changed, and Mr. Hitchcock today declared that instead pf a deficit .he atually had a sur plus of J3.C00.OM. The only way this sur plus can be reckoned is by wiping out allotments for all projects not under ac tual construction. Including Malheur and "and Palouse. But, If this- admission Is made, then the department cannot reas onably refuse to build In Oregon and Washington, on the ground that It has "no money." The plain truth,, which cannot longer be concealed. Is simply this: Mr. HItchcok. In directing irrigation affairs, has taken counsel of too many subordinate officials, men whose views and policies do not co incide. Thejc advisers are working at cross purposes; they make counter-recommendations; what one favors other at tack, and by following the suggestion first of one and then another, the Secretary has unintentionally so tangled the reclama tion fund that no. living man can say how much money Is available for building Irri gation works, how much has been appor tioned or how much has been spent. One adviser says there is a deficit: another tells him there Is a surplus of 59,000.00): another says . there Is a surplus of less than $109,000. and all have figures and records to support thorn. Work for Keep Commission. It i-i the same situation that always re sults from "too many cooks," and there will bo no Improvement until some of these advisers arc put aside and the Sec retary controls Irrigation matters by di rect co-operation with the Reclamation Service, which was created for this spe cific purpose. There has been too much outside Interference; too many go-betweens; too much meddling with public matters to satisfy personal Jealousies and. unfortunately.. Oregon and Washington come to the front Just In time to feel the full effect of this reign of chaos. There Is room for the Keep Commission to take hold right here, and there arc Indications that it will do so. If there is no reorgani zation, there is going to be an enormous public scandal. Now -XorthXvcst Postmasters. OREGONIAN NEWS BUREAU. Wash ington. Nov. 14. Postmasters have been appointed as follows: Oregon Placer, Josephine County. Al len Reod vice Edward H. Wise resigned; Wolf Creek. Josephine County, Lucretia E. Ellin" vice Elmer E. Danber, resigned. Washington Monitor, Chelan County, Mrs. Rose Gridley vice William P. Wells, resigned. Heney and Burns a. Theater. OREGONIAN NEWS BUREAU, Wash ington, Nov. 14. District Attorney Heney and W. J. Burns were guests of Secretary Hitchcock tonight at a theater party. BURTON DEMURS AGAIN Files Technical Objections, but May Be Indicted Again. , ST. LOUIS, Nov. 14. Counsel for United States' Senator Burton, of Kansas, who was Indicted' by-the Federal- Grand Jury last Friday, today filed a demurrer to the Indictment-. Thejgroqnds upon which the depurrer is based- are as followsr First Falls to allege in specific terms what Senator Burton did for the Rlalto Grain Company at Washington. Second Falls to Mate how his action benefited the Rlalto people. Third Falls to show that the matter under consideration at Washington was a matter over which the Postmaster General had jurisdiction. Fourth Falls to state that Burton knew the acts charged against him would Influence the action of the Post office Department. Before court adjourned today. Judge Vandeventer stated that he would render his decision on the demurrer tomorrow. If the demurrer is sustained there Is still time to secure another indictment before the statute of limitation. becomes effective on November IS, according to District Attorney Dyer. In this connection It is regarded as sig nificant, that the Federal grand Jury was held until tomorrow after making a. par tial report today, and delayed adjourning until some future "date, as Is customary. Hero of Balaklava. LONDON. Nov. 14. Lieutenant-Colonel Arthur Tremayne, one of the few remaining survivors of the charge of the Light Brigade at Balaklava, in which he was1 wounded and his horse shot, died In Cornwall today, aged 7S years. CONTENTSjfTODAY'S PAPER Soldiers at WlatjfcpjMok mutiny. murder of ficers, bura'Clifiefe.' quarter.' Page Workmen order tw general strike. Vage 2. Peasant revolt Kfjwi worse. " Page Wltte refue'sareal of PolUh delegates. Pae 2. Germany denies abe will Interfere In Poland. Pase 2. Nearly all Jewel in Bessarabia murdered. Page f Commission of Jews to Investigate massa cres. Pace t FerelsB. Balfour threaten to resign If followers don't unite. Page 5. 1' Rosebery to "be n&xt-iBrltHh Premier. Page 3. Bermulez company tried to bribe Castro, says counsel forjfrenezuela. Page XatleaaL Roosevelt defines Railroad policy to railroad employes. Fagejljj Cortelyou re-organizes Postal Department. Page S. Tfe. Northwest surfers wnuddle In Irrigation affairs. Pare 1. 1f Garfield Inquires IntoJrebates oo oil. Page 3. Prince Louis glvsrtall on his Cagshlp. Page 4. A irSltlcs. Taft tells how toiethrone bosses finally, rage 3. Hearst gettrder of court In contest. Page 3 IVmrtlc Hyde gives sensational testimony In Insur ance Inquiry. Page I- Odell admits one of Hyde's charges Is true. Pago 4. Priest says scorching autslits should be shot. Page's. Doings of Labor Federation convention. Page 4. Double set of books In Enterprise Bank holps Government prosecution. Page -4. PaeMe .Coast. Portland buslnexs - men have auspicious be ginning to pilgrimage in the Willamette Valley. Page 1. ' "Mayor of Oregon City vetoes the objection able Oregon Water Power franchise. Page 6. W. II. Odell gives tip struggle' for approval of lieu land selections In Oregon. Pago C. Two filings are madeon-slte of ' Multnomah" Fall. -Page 0. ' Notable ruling made-"Tn criminal procedure by the Washington. Supreme I Court. Page-ft. ' - ' e- h. - - - transcontinental; rcadartaehlng." for, roast. Page,' , -3- ' Three the Coast. ST1GHT TALK ON RATE ISSUE President Answers Objections of Railroad, Employes' Delegates. WANTS ONLY EQUAL .RATES Docs Xot Propose Reduction, hut Justice and Equality Ml-lit In crease Wages by Squeezing Ont Watered Capital. WASHINGTON, Nov. 14. An earnest protest was made to the President today against proposed railroad freight rate leg islation. The protest was filed' by rep resentatives of the five great labor or ganizations connected with railroading the engineers, firemen, conductors, switch men and trainmen. . The statement presented "by Mr. Huntley -was as follows: The railroad employes and those dependent upon them represent upwards of six millions of people In this country, whose earnings approximately amount to one-half billion dollars annually. We believe that there Is no other class of American workmen who present a higher general standard of citizen ship than the railroad employes, and u-e also claim that we are entitled to fair and Impar tial consideration In the framing or adoption of any National Legislation that threatens our general prosperity. We take keen and active Interest In all matters that seem to conduce to a higher and broader standard of conditions for the worklngmen of this coun try, and therefore It Is not strange that since the Inception of this movement for National legislation on railroad rates all union railroad employes have from time to time and in various ways expressed their convlotlons. All Brotherhoods Protest. For example, the Brotherhood of Railroad Trainmen, vrlth a membership of S0.0O0, at their last annual meeting In Buffalo last Spring adopted resolutions of the most em phatic nature against any reduction In rail road rates. The Brotherhood of Locomotive Engineers and the Brotherhood of Locomo tive Firemen have expressed similar views by official utterances, and the same can be said of the Switchmen's National Associa tion. Tho Order of Railroad Conductors, at their biennial convention at Portland. Or., last May. Indorsed resolutions of the same nature. The membership of these organiza tions Is now a. little more than & auarte.- of t tnlltlAX a... .. ... a, lit K.VI4t'i. '.'i: other full million of laborers In the ralh-oad world, who would be similarly affected, by any reductions' in the earning capacity of the railroad lines of this country, and what Im presses us with more force than any side of the Issue is this: "Why Single Out "Railroads? Why have the railroad interests In particu lar been selected for this attack? Why is the Interstate Commerce Commission or some similar commission not to be clothed with the same absolute authority to tlx the maximum prices on beef. pork, oil, clothing, butter and eggs, etc. In fact, everything which one has to buy every day? It seems to us that rucb a step would be Infinitely more reasonable than this proposed move on railroad rates, because all of these and other commodities have advanced by leaps, and bounds, and by methods which we all agree would bear Investigation, while the general average of, railroad freight rates has steadily decreased, and during the past ten years the railroad companies have granted substantial wage concessions to their employes and also ameliorated labor conditions. That the railroads of the country have been enabled to reduce rates and at the same time advance wages and spend large sums In the development of their properties Is due to the reduction or elimination of grades, curve, etc., doubling capacity of cars, im mensely Increased hauling power of loco motives and superior character of general serylco rendered, showing in Instances an in crease fof 200 per eent in train tonnage. We believe-that in this Increase In earning pow er and" economical management the limit has'betatreached. Therefore we believe that we take a. fair and Just view of the situa tion wha we claim that no National legis lation' should be adopted which shall tend In any' degree to interfere with or Interrupt the present or future prosperity of the railroad employes ra tblscauntry. Not a Party Question. In presenting to the President the foregoing statement, Mr. Huntley, who Is a conductor on the Lake Shore & Michigan Southern Railroad, said: "We are of tho classes which have most to do in the practical operation of the most Important branch of the railway service, and that Is the train department." He told the President It was not nec essary to urge him to consider "the trials and responsibilities, the shadow of death that goes with us. stp by step, in our daily battle for bread In our profession," because every laboring man In the land knew the President's keen interest and sympathy with "the honest worker." Mr. Huntley assured the President that no taint of partisan ship or political coloring existed In any degree among the members of the dele gation, but they take a keen Interest in all matters affecting- the social econo mies of the country, and the speaker declared with emphasis that railroad employes were satisfied that any legis lation tending to reduce the earning 'capacity of railroad lines will, in the same measure, interfere with the pros perity and generally satisfactory con ditions of the railroad employes. Mr. Huntley said that It had come to be the attitude of the Adminstration and of prominent Republicans gener ally that, when a revision of the tariff Is made, the changes should be by its friends and not by Its enemies. "We suggest," said Mr. Huntley, "that a similar course be followed In railway rate legislation." He wound up by expressing the hope that there would be no National legis lation that would Interfere with or In terrupt the prosperous condition of tho railroads or of their employes. The delegation which called on .the Pres-dent came from 12 different states and represented all of the larger sys tems of railroads. The President's Reply. President Roosevelt In reply said: Gentlemen: 1 have 'Just a word that' I want to say to you. In the first place. I trust I need hardly say that no delegation .will ever be more, welcome at the White Hdlise than such a.-dele ration as this. Ttia interests of the wageworker and the Inter ests of the tiller of the soli must hr pecu liarly close to all American public men: among other reasons, for the reason that If , they prosper all classes will prosper like- I wise, as a matter of course. As I said the other day to the representatives of organised labor at Atlanta. I shall do everything In my power for the labortns men except to do anything wrong; for the man who will do anything wrong in the nominal Interest of another man will also do wrong against this same other man. 1f ever It becomes to his own- Interests to do so. Tour associations deserve peculiar reward, because yoa have developed to a. marked degree the very qual ities that all bod!s of wagewerkers should develop the Intelligent regard for the fu ture, the self-respect, mingled with the re spect for others, the power of self-restraint, which Is absolutely essential to any bedy ef men which Is to move upward and en ward. With most of the general statements that you made I agree, but I am not sure that I agree with your application of them. There has been comparatively little complaint to me of the railroad rates being as a whle too high. The most serious complaints that have been made to me have been of Improper discrimination In railroad rates. For In stance. In two recent cases affecting great corporations the complaints that have been made to me have been that they are too Vow as regards certain big shippers; the cam plaint In both these cases is about the dif ferential, the difference of treatment of two sets of users of the railways, the difference In favor of one set of shippers as against another set of shippers. Whether this is just or not I am not prepared to say. I very deeply appreciate and sympathise with the feeling you express as to the com munity of Interest between the man who ac tually does the handling of the trains at the brakes. In the engine-cab. as a fireman, as a conductor, and the man who has to do. as a capitalist or as the higher employe of the capitalist, with the general management of the road. Z fel that on ot lha lesaona which cannot "be over-Inculcated It the les son of Identity of Interest among our people as a whole. I do not have to tell a body like this something I do have to tell some other bodies, and that Is. If you have not got at the head, of a railroad a man who ean make a success of It. the wage workers on that -railroad cannot prosper. WW De Just to Railroads. If you wltl look at my Raleigh speech and at my other recent utterances, you will see my principle clearly set forth. I have said again and again that I would not tolerate ' for one moment any Injustice to a railroad, any more than 1' would tolerate any Injustice by a railroad. I have said again and again that I would remove a public official who improperly yielded to public clamor against a railroad, no matter how popular that clamor might be. just as Quickly as I would remove a public official who had rendered an Improper service to the railroad at th.e expense of the public But I am convinced that there must be' an Increased regulatory and supervisory power exercised by the Gov ernment over the railroads. Indeed. I would like It exercised to a much greater extent than I have any idea of pressing at this mo ment. For Instance, I would greatly like to have it exercised In the matter of over-capltallza-tlon. I am convinced that the "wage fund" would be larger if there was no fictitious capital upon which dividends had to be paid. I need hardly say that this does not mean hostility to wealth. It you gentlemen here. In whom I believe so strongly, were alt a unit in demanding that some proper aetlon should be taken against certain men of wealth, then, no matter whether I did or did aot like those same men .of wealth. 1 would , Jdefend them against you. no matter how 'much I cared for you: and in so dolnj; I would really be acting In your own Interest. I would be alse to your lntesest If I failed to do justice to the capitalist as much as to the wageworker. But I shall act against the abuses of wealth Just as against all other abuses. Just and Equal Treatment. The outcry against rate regulation Is of much the same character as that I encoun tered when I was engaged In putting through the car-coupling business, or In endeavoring to secure certain legislation in which you all have been Interested, such as the emnjoyers liability law. Most certainly, I will Jain with you In resisting any movement to hurt or damage nny railroads which act decently, forI would hold that such damage was not merely to the capitalist, not merely to the wageworker engaged on the railroads, but tolall the country. My aim is to secure the just and equal treatment ot the public by those (I trust and believe a limited number,) who do not want to give It, Just as much as by the larger number who do want to. give It. .All I want In my rate legislation Is to give the Government an efficient supervisory potter, which shall be exercised as scrupu lously to prevent injustice to the railroads as to prevent their doing injustice to. the public. Our endeavor Is to see that those big railroad men and big shippers who are not responsive to the demands of justice are required to do what their fellows, who are responsive to the demands of Justice, would be glad to do of their own accord. WILL NOT PLEDGE IX ADVANCE ft - Senator Long Wants to See Koosc- velt's Rate Bill First. WICHITA, Kan., Nov. 14- Senator Long this afternoon addressed the Commercial Club in response to a resolution asking himjlto announce his stand on railroad rateleglslation. He declined to tell In advance what his action on President RoosevelCs rate legislation plan would be, giving his reasons in a statement that oc cupied 20 minutes In delivery. He said in part: "While the resolution you present to me does not so state, yet I am advised to get right with the President. I was advised to do this on the Esch-Townsend bill, and yet the President, now in his Raleigh speech, takes a position that conflicts with that measure. I do not know what the recommendation of the President to Congress on this subject will be, nor does the country, yet you ask me in advance' to say that I shall agree with everything he may recommend. I de cline toabd!cate or shift my responsibil ity on this measure to the President of the United States ,or any other person." Mlneovrncrs" Enter Protest. LOUISVILLE. Ivy., Nov. 14. A petition to President Roosevelt and Congress against the Esch-Townsend bill or any slmllar rate legislation designed to Inter fere with the fixing of rates by the roads themselves was adopted at a meeting ot mlneowners and operators, representing 53 of the biggest coal mines in Ken tucky and 70 coal companies, held In this city today. HOW LEWIS GOT CAPITAL Started People's Bank, Then Bor rowed Its Deposit. ST. LOUIS, Nov. 11. Mr. Hadley today applied to Circuit Judge Mcllhenney at Clayton for an order directing Receiver Frederick Essen, of the People's United States Bank to bring suit forthwith against the Lewis Publishing Company for 5375,000. alleged to have been loaned by the bank.. The petition states that 54W.00O was loaned and a note taken; that 525.000 was repaid prior to August 1. 1503. and that $375,000 and interest is now due. . It ' Is alleged that the loan was mado-to E. C. Lewis personally, and that it was" Illegal. EL C Lewis is president of the People's United States Bank. The court took no action on the petition today. HYDE REVEALS ES' DEEDS Exposes. Secret of $685,000 Loan. PUTS ODELL IN BAB LIGHT Harriman Advised Settlement With Governor. BITTERLY SCORES FRICK Accuses Him and Harrhnan of Try inir to Get Hint Out of Country and Playing: the Part of ' False Friends. EN EM NEW YORK, Nov. 11. James Hazen Hyde, ex-vice-president of the Equitable Life Assurance Society, whose resignation followed the sensational disclosures in that company last Spring, which led to the Investigation of insurance company methods by the Armstrong committee of the Legislature: the man whose presence as a witness before this committee has been looked forward to In the expecta tion that It would produce the greatest sensation ot the investigation, appeared before the committee today. Mr. Hyde's manner on the stand was one of composure and deliberation and his replies to questions from counsel were calm and deliberate, oft-times studied. He was fortified with statements and data and was very frank In his explanations. Frequently he would become bitter In his reference to himself and his associates, while his entire testimony was ot deep interest and cleared up many points that have , heretofore remained In' the dark. It was not until late In the day that the sensational features of, his testlmony were developed. Mr. Hyde was called to the stand short ly after the session opened this morning and he was under examination all day until" a fewfmlnutes before adjournment. In anticipation of his presence as a wit ness, there was a greater crowd than has attended tho sessions of the ,commUtee heretofore and extra police were sta tioned in the corridor without the committee-room to keep order. Clears Up Loan Mystery. Mr. Hyde cleared up the matter of the $6S3.00O loan of the Mercantile Trust Com pany, which appeared on the books of the Equitable Life under the caption of the "J. W. Alexander No. 3 Account." This account has been under Investigation on several previous occasions, but none of the witnesses heretofore examined had been able to explain lu Mr. Hyde first heard of this account in the Fall of 1902. when his attention was called to it by President Alexander, who said that he and Mr. Jordan had Incurred the loan to take up stock that was being bid up to fictitious values to the detriment of the company; to settle suits that were ham pering the business of the slciety and for campaign contributions. This contribu tion was the one to the last campaign and was asked by Mr. Frick, who suggested it for the benefit of the society. To pro cure this money, Mr. Alexander had Mr. Hyde write a letter to the president of the Mercantile Trust Company and this letter practically placed him in the posi tion of a guarantor. Later, when the settlement of the loan waa forced, Mr. Alexander and Mr. Jordan raised all they could toward it. The stock purchased with part of the loan was sold by them to Thomas Ft Ryan for 5212.000 and the balance, $212,500. Mr. Hyde paid personally- He did this because he understood Mr. Alexander was financially embarrassed. In a bitter way, he said:- "Notwithstanding the strained relations with these two gentlemen. Alexander and Jordan, I felt bound to see that the debt was liquidated by reason of the letter Mr. Alexander extracted from me." Hyde's Modest Salary. Mr. Hyde said that he first received a salary of 430,000 seven years ago. In 19Q& when he became chairman of the finance committee, this was advanced to 575,000, and In 1903 It was advanced to 5100,000, at which - It remained until he resigned as vice-president. Mr. Hyde presented a statement showing that In the seven years of his connection with the Equitable Life and the allied corporations his aver age income had been only a little more than 538.000 a year. This was figured as seven years' salary front the Equitable amounting to $433,000, from which he de ducted his losses in syndicate transac tions, amounting to J2S.615. and the $212,500 paid on the 56S5.000 loan, which left a balance of S193.8S4, or an average annual Income of 527,697. to which was added the average income from his offices In the trust companies of 510.500. Witncs3 said he presented this statement to show that he had been mlsrepretented. The Instructions of Mr. Jordan to Ai C Fields, the "legislative generalissimo," as Mr. Hughes referred to him today, Mr. Hyde knew nothing about. He said he never consulted with Mr. Jordan about legislative matters, and that none of the legislative measures affected him or hl3 Interests In any way. Lost on Syndicate Deals. The syndicate operations of J. H. Hyde and associates were gone into very thor oughly, and It was shown that in 23 syn dicates Mr. Hyde sustained personal losses of 528,615. Mr. Hyde ascribed the appor tionment of the Bquitable's allotment of (Concluded on Page 4.) V