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1 : Hi'-; p.-AOE'STK' Some' -Aspects : of the" ' . Farmers'' Problems : , " By BERNARD' RL- DARUCH ' ; (Risptinted frum Atlnntlr. Monthly) iConllnucrt JVoni . liinl jAi'i'K) ,,;v Now,, what Is 'the' Tn'mier nshlns? 1 ''Without tryinjr '.to. cn1uhij:ii( lluv: re - niodlftl - measures thai ,Ihiv been 1 uny- 1 ' fesM) in liij. behalf, lb principal pro- poiiils that bc,ir directly on tin? m- -'. to'wVttinctil (if his 1t-'irIhtittuK and mar- ; -'. ktlnu ifliiUutis tiiu btv.summurlzed n r . f'dbnv :- - ... ; I-'iit:: storage- vnr')um'n for rot ' ton, wool, ntxl tohuctm, in.il elevators f'r nrnin. tr sulH. ji-Ht eupuelty to meet the iiiti vlinimi ili'iniihU uii tlu'in tit the peak of 1 liinrLctltij; period. The ; farmer thinks that cither private onpl- ' t;H must furnish thc-v facilities, or the state must iMv.-i oml own the elevn- , tor tl jinhntis. v j Soivud: wc'hin- nnd jfrinltiig of ' ngrk'uMiiml products, and certllleathn lin-reor, t he 4t jut hy ftuparllal and ; disinterested public Inspectors (ihis Is j niiTuny accomplished in nomo cxtrnt liy till! federal llcoilHitl of Weigher and urmdors), tn eliminate iinderpny liu?, ovcrrhtirtriiiic. and unfiilr urndin, - mid tn facilitate I In. nllllznll' n of Dip Jt''ri'1! Jfo'liti'tH as (he busls nf credit. ,r Third :-fi certainty of credit mitlh-lent to eiiahlo ilio mnrlieiiiij; of jirodiieis hi nn orderly manner. w Kmirth ; tli' Deimrtnient 4f Asrlni! lure Hlinidd. rnlieet, Inhulnle, siininiti- ; rlz', and regularly and frennenily jndi lih and dUtrihiin; to tin? fanners, full liiformullon from all Dm markets of tin world, ho Unit they hIiuII he nn wWl liifitrmeil of their sellhiK position huyers ux am uf their buying pnsl tinn. rifth: fropibiin to intcKrale the ImI pons of fiyrleiillnre hy means of eon golldati'd Kelllnu nueneies, oo-ordinat-ln(i and co-openiiln,; In surli way ti to , put tho fra'p on an wjmil footinc j with tht hirL' htiyers nf Ids products, and with commercial ri'liillom In other j IndimtrieM. t WImth n lniiness retnlr!i apocl.ilixpd ' talent. It Iuih to buy It. So will tho farmer; and perluipK the he;t way for tliein tn yet ltvnul,i ).o To utilize s.Mue j of the preieiit maelilnery of tht htrg pst ("talMihi"l Hijenci dunlins hi I farm pnilii't. tf rourno. If wNhe, the farmer may go further and rniriiKf In flf urinilltnc atol other inanufiirtnrei nf fM.d ppxhift. In my opinion, j l,mvever. lit wniiht he wise to utop hiiort of that. liihl! latereit mav he opjj.rd to all K"'at Integrations; hut. In jntl.-.. honld they he forhldden to tlu farinr ami rrmltted to other? The eorporute form of ttx.H-intloti vnn- not now be wholly adapt! to his ob y?ct mid .mditliii 1!i I.tr a- operative form iu.rv c-nfrai;y I uituUle. Therefore, t:!'rt to ! fnv, If he rlsid it d-:raMr frpi Ible, to r.rt t .--rit.--Ti i.; ' felhm a;nl nWir!.i-'r m,:b,ut rcn-j idiig afoul of tt, T orr Hut (hi fanner ihiJJ ,ie ibf riie h j erty to ooi-'LO.ii ar-3 r"-"rd.i'iic , IhPlr Tl::ir eft!ii.i;;t i ! ioji, i whhh utlir Indtivri' In their tt-,'i i enjoy, Ik not, hoerr. to ffn-fde liiat ' any h:ne)n Integration tSuukl have lepislative faiKtii'ii to -Te.vlie moimp- ! olNtio pow er. 'I lie Amerh an iM-u;!e are n llrmly tppiM-d to indusiriMl ns f ta polltii-ah aulocnu-j-, m heitier at- j tempted hy rural or hy urhnn industry, j Tor lack of united effort the farmer l as a whole are ftlll niarkeiin their crop hy antiquated method, or hy no method: tit nil. hut they art mirrounded hy a bulneNi world Unit Iihm heen modernized to the Ihm minute and Is tirelessly strlvliiK for enVlenry. This . efth teney 1h due In huye measure to hl' hulness. o nulled huslnes-;, to lu- I teirrnted hnilnen. The fanner?) now seek the heiietlts of such liirKt'ne.-iS, tin- ' Ion and InieKratiou. j The Amerknn farmer Is n modem of j the modern tn the ue of hihor tavinjr I marldneo', fn1 lie Iimk inutle vnt trlde lu rerrnt yenr In lentiri-' ' tllltii:' ninl effieient frm uinwrmHtii, hut a huWies u ttmUet with othrr huliiesiHi milrtnltitr li m wMf hore hn" In (Xiinpttiltm with hi-h power j autouwldl. The AiMliin f.inu.r l t!i (cretet and nn-t Intrai-lRtdv of ' liidWHtuftli:. Mk hWm lA.1ittrlt tr duihni amj h)1 pti,h'i of the hut cou- ! iiH'reiil h.AiJii nnd In uivrind c- r--ir. h r;l atut) moi rtvunii lutn? ttitii wlt nil the y from hl- ; lir.ll ff w luIriali U fr Mtra, fit jtn-'ti cite tiuill fjlllni ft thv I.u 'li- .J t Ttr H?t iw ti- Tdnw. jjii f-ifii-j. w!iu ifir furfiwr uy i -!W.S.t it .t-;-,) npoit, t . i -ry unteh, whnt the i t 1 Mas dih;'. The tVstllt 1 Ial the ,'i !,;;! ;ii 'jil yrt'tip Is almost ;i ; :uil''h nl.it l':tditdi:;ie III de.ilu ' -itli j oilier ei'"1 '."tide ci'tuips nn the Jn It nil- : er .f tin fining r,.f In the haiui of .iei-k l,'ii;iu i-etili'letn'e inett. utio sell ; liini le ' viini' p. 1 ' ill r;il ! i k or I he T U;:: , ri! 1 '1 :-c tr;nlrr i .-f the farmer i"i::)i! in !it-: ,tnd this, i and lhe an i.ttelhet tly f.'uiu t.i 1 luteyrate tin -!i he on nn c;u;i lnii.-ir tiiiit il footlii j v itti titiier t. lieses, As an eatii'h of ln?e;.:r:itl 'ii the sfcel indu.viiy. In w!.. n ilte Is the Culled State-. Sh' ('..ij.oi with Us Iron u.imw it., coat ndn h'ke and nil ir.u peri ,n ;..n. , .e,ui ; ssel. lis pr"ihnt iMk. oe:i-, 1: biiit-t f uricii csi 1 i pen hearth .'ii i lleeiuer furu.iees, I's roliil'-J Hill's. tt ; lube niilN ,nel o:ln-r itniiMi'.i t n.iu : processes th:i ure can'l to the ht.li c-d ih'-ree of tlnl-h- d production . -;n j plltthlo w IH, the l;.:e ti.ole It h:it huilt up. All this Is i-riier.dly coined- j ed to be to .ie itdvantaue if the con- MUiu r. Nor d es the Meel corpora! inn Inconsiderately dump in products on i the iniithet. on the cniUraiy. it m ! acts i hat it 1ft frenuentty a utiihillKluir iiiitiieiu tf, tiH In often the nise v. l!h oth- ur inre ormniiiuium. It in iiiii-itT of J,H ilf-.tril.utlui as well itH of lis pro hn'lhii, If price.s are not KatM'n-lory tho proiluctK am Im-IcI naek or produe tion Ik reduced or sii-pfftded. U i not compelled lo send a .enr' work to the tnarkcl jit one time nnd ink' whatever It can yet under hihIi eiP-tutiMMineM. It has oni' felUn policy itnd in own e.p rt depart titent. Neither aro the j.'1'jide- iind (pia';lis of steel deiernilli ed nt the caprice of the bu.M-r, nor due) I lit' latter hold Hie sr:ih- In this sin ;io iiileijnion of the sie.'l e'liporation Is represriiti-d nhoiit 10 p'-r e;m of the meel production of Aiuerin. The ren( U tiio-ily In the hand of a few hi rye com piiules, In' ordinary times the del corporation, hy example, stabilizes all sum'I prices, if thirf is p.-rnds-lide (It Is i i-ii de-lnilile, he' ause. Ktable and fair price nn c.smiut to solid and coiiiiiiuctl pro-pi'i'hy) why would ft he wr for the fantn-rs to utilize i-entriil luetii ies that Mould have simi lar eUe.-i on a'iiiiilt tirnl products? oiiictliin llltc hat Is whai they art- ! ii i in Tnr nt. ' Sumo fanners favored hy regional (-oinpa' t'ics ami coniiiiity. such ti the eit ru-.-frult-ralsers "f ( aHfirnIa, al ready have found a way legally to iner-te uml sell their products Into L'lully an.l in aec.irdauee with seasotiul and loi-id demand, . thus liMproiii; llo-ir posiihui and rendering the con sumer a ret la) do service: of ensured iptailty. certain (supply,' aini rea-oonnhli.-and relatively steady prices:. They have not found It necessary tn resort to any speciul privilege, or to claim any exeuiptli'ii under the anti-trust leuNlatlou of Iho state or nation. With out removing local control, they have huilt up a very clUch-nt markefln HKeney. Tlie yraln, eoiton, uml to baeco farmers, anil the producer of hides and wool, hecausii of their num bers and il'o vastuess nf their regions, ami for other reasons, have found Integration a more dithVnlt task; tliouh there are nw some thousands of farmer's co-operative elevators, warehouses, creameries, nnd other en terprises uf one sort ami another, with ii turn-over of n hlllh :i dolh-rs a year. They are civiii; the farmers business exn'hoilii and training, and, so far 0- they tit. I hey meet the need of hottest weiirMti;: and fair cradini:; hut they do not meet the requirements of rationillv adjusted marketing lu any hirue and fumhiiinMif u! way. The next step; which will he a pat tern for o;:ie. lips, N now helnu prepared by the irnun-mlser tlinmh the etatt!itintcnt of sales met I hi which hn'l handle jrr.tin separately or cd-lt-.-;Iwly, us the Indlvidunl fanner may -!e. Ii Is this step tlie plan of (lie r.eiir'iitfee of S'WMlteen wilicll has 1 j rrejite o tiuii li itpposith.ii and Is ! I tli.'fc-!.t by iaie to be in contlict with ' the ::iitl lni-t laws, Though there Is1! n-.ii before rnutress a measure de- j! ir!i-l t ! 'ir up tliMibt on this point, il Tf -r:i!M-jtrtluivrs ure not ndvinu on nny iu.'ini! iiy totii anti-trust leulshi !)'-n. '1 :o-y diirp. ami they are en ti:lel, t. ( o-onliniue their efforts Just u cfTe -ti : as the Inrjfe husinesH lu- j! t re-sis ef he poitntry liave d ne. In r'!iiMtTion with the selling oruanlzii' fhtns tin I'niie'l Siiites iiitiiti tJrnwers liicorpnnifed Is drafting a scheme nf tlnaio -ins Instrumentalities and ancill ary m;eiicies which are Indispensable to the su M-ssfui utilization of modern biislties methods. It Is e-sential that the farmers should proceed L'radually with these plans, and aim t' avoid the error of scr.ipplng the existing marketing inn chlnery, which has been so laboriously huilt i.p hy 1-m: experience, before they bne a tried and proved sulistb 1 ut or suppleiuiMitary uiechanism. They must he cur rnireshed In their l-.-e the p.-r necih lite nall'Oinl Men u.'lnM fainil'til d Int not tn become own reforms nnd i' of their place In Thej must Ktinrd v. -ilon t new doe- trlne wIMi and Mlild r:il cek arth uhttion 'con.n.ic system We Like to Give Service ,(, to put it dilfc rMt!y, h.i it fv Itruck you Hint it iui't tht fvr of h job, but your hViii for it that inrr it nttructivc? We're In tCie bHttery frnismM" l. cai3C wo Jiktt it. niruc ctm Rive yu tcrvice tliat you didn't know wc hvx. wc urc p.uticu hilly pleased, Wc don't Mop with merely tilhiujt. chaivmrt end testing yo'ir Uitteiy, and ahnti wi a new one when you tier.d. it. We're here to do ( cverytinnu we can to see to it lh.it ! your battery fcivi i most nnlei of un interrupted ik'fVicr pre dollar, nnd 1 inure satisfaction ad aiuund. j We like to be bothered. Come in anytime. LA OKANDE HAITEKY STATION Batteriiss A. L. Crossman U"lrn-Uni? i To take o t'doranf and NfnipaUieth' view d the furuurs' slrlvlfigs for bet I ter ilihu-'f I n" ' iih' 11 hlmikci I endoisc'ment to any njieclllc plan, und ! still less to applaud the vagaries of ' some of their leaders and (f roups. : .Neither sin'iild we. nn the other hand, ! nl low the froth of hitler niiliiil Ion. ! false economic. -and miMukeii i-adieiii- Ism to eoncKl tlie fact or l lie rarm-ei-M' dlsiidvHiUMjcy.'Hiid the pra-th utill Ity of elluilnatiny them hy Well con slilercl meii-ures. It may lie Unit the farmer, will not show the bu-dness saginlty and develop the wise leader ship to cHrry through ouud plan ; lt Mini (iM-isihlltty dues lint Jnntlfy 0,.it ruction of their upward effort. We. as city .people, to.' In IiiKh nnd iprcuiathoty .manitoduied yrh os, spoJIae, w aste. search y, I he re-.nl d' dcleciivo distribution-of farm pr-'d-lids. Slioidd It not iic ur In us tliat we have a common Interest with the fanner In his attempts to ailain a de gree of ellii-hli'M in distribution cr respondlng to !iis etltcieney in produc tion? !o iif't the recent llucf nations hi iih- Alny when! option, apparently unreiaied to n-trmul Interne) ion t Hupply and demand. otTer a llmely (ooof nf the need of Koine u 'h stabil izing agency s the grain growers have in coiiieuiphition? It Is contended .that. If their pro P"scd organizations ,e perfeited und opera ti'vl. the farmers will have in their hands mi Instrument that will be capable of dangerous abuse. We are I'dd that It will he possible to pervert It to arbitrary und oppressive price iiNlni: fnmi its legitimate use of order. Inw and stabilizing tlie (low ef farm prodncrf tu the market, to the mutual hem-lit of producer and consumer. I . have no apprehensions on this point. ! lu the "first place, a lo. stJ orgiiui'a- j Ibui. such as any uuhm of fanners j must I to ul best, cannot he so mill- ; t rarity and promptly controlled as a groat corporation. Tlie unc Is. a lum bering democracy and the other an agile adtocraey. n the second place, with all pe-sslhte puwor of ,o:'g utzallon, the farmers canmt 'succeed to any great j extent, or for any considerable length of time, In fixing prices. The great law nf supply .and demand works lu'j various and surprising ways, to the . undoing nf the best laid plans that attempt to foil It. In the ihlrd place, their p.'wer will avail tlie Tanners nothing If It be abused. In our lime and country power Is nf value to Its possessor only so long as It Is imt abused. It Is fair to say lh.it I have seen no signs In responsible quarters of ii disposition to dictate prices. There seems, on the contrary, to ho a commonly beneficial purpose to realize n stability that will giv an orderly and nhumhint Ihiw of farm products to the consumer and ensure reasonable nnd dependable returns tu the pro ducer. In view f tiie supreme Importance rul lier huh lu re.klr It relates tu ihtai. "Permanent n tlio l'jrnnilils" CONCRETE PIPE COMPAN Y Manufacturers CEMENT PRODUCTS Kl:Vl:lt AM) WATKIt VIPK Cl iA i:i;T l'U'IC iiou.ow lii.oi'K :i:ii:xt ,s:t.t)s W1U.I. ClltP.lXH MADK IX Ml-U-I'lOXS HOLLOW lll'll.l)IX(; III.OCKS PIIOXE MAIN 120 Cactory :tslima City Do You WANT to Own ? A il-ncre trarl near Taconia Wash. Has a Tiroom Itouse, very good. Hen house, :llM hen eapaelty, small stnhle, n small liouse for pullets, wooilhou-e, lai'ge .store lious and l'rul( lu.use. Coneiete elslern unit good Mrll. I.anil set to hesl. varieties of fruh ami berries. In good distvlcl, elose. lo mhxI Hehool and store. Place corners on Iwo streels. Ideal home. One hloetc from enr line, i mile renin paved roiil. ll'illse electric lighted. Will consider 5 acres near La Brando. comk s i Si LA GRANDE INVESTMENT COMPANY Kelialilo Agents fur !., 3113 Adams Ave. ClVMlti Tin- Tivutnicnt for Iiuliurstiou, 1 f Fmiitnriu.i and Office. o many head of i due. to a scase of ills are eluded lO.der tho fliesti.m. which are really more defkOtc form of di !. stoma 'h. Intestine!, tall bladder or liver. We evnino parents carefully to bnate the real rause ff the so-called indigestion and then proi eed wift the Milk -llet tiitment combined w it9i os tei.p.ithtc trejituM-nl in the proper manner to restore the diseased or Kaiii to n conditioner henltli Terms moderate. Iinp.iiry nvlied. LT flT?ANT)rc EVEMTG OTJSTmTTTT? j to the n.tfiolial Well-li-';:!" 'nf n 1 perous and contepted n;;ri iiltiutil ,pop I ul.itioii. we should be propaied o pi ' a long va In as-isiin; tin- farmers t. I get an equitable -hare nf Hie wealth th.v proih'. At, ilir.ingii ih,. ipaiiu'iJia thm of reii-ruo that will procure a cunt in nous and tin reusing .-.i n uin of farm prodin-ts. Thoy ure jar fr in et ling a foir share now. 'onsbh-riui' bis caiit;it ami the b.m: hours of hif.or put in by tie- uver.iLe farmer and hi j fan; he Is remunerated less than any otlo-r N-eupi:tIo:ial class, with the t possible ("iccpll'ii of teacher, reli gious and lay. Th-uigh we know that I lie pn-ent general distress of tin- farmers Is exccpibmal and is lluko I j with the Inevitable ecMiiolid;- eadli-!- ment following the war. It must he j remembered llntt, nllhoiigli represent- j lag ne--third of tin indusMral product and imtf the total popnlal ion of flit' I nation, (Ih rurul cniiuiiunli ivs ordi ' nai'iy enjoy bin a lUih to a quarter of I the net iiini'iai national guiu. ,i twltli f standing' (he taste of prosperity Ib;t j tin Uunuii$ had during the war. there ! Is today rfi. lower standard of living aiimng the cotton farmers of the Smith I than i;an tlier pursuit In the country. In c.iicli!f;on, It seems lo nie th.U the farmers nn), chh-lly striving fi t- a ,gcn ' erally beneli: !at intcizra'.ion of tiieir 1 business, -of the same kind and charac I ter that oilier business enjoys. J(f It ! should be found n examination that ; the at Id hi meat of this end requires !l methods different from tho a- which other activities have followed for the same purpose should we not sympa thetically . consider the plea for the right tn ico-opcrute. If only from our own enlightened self Interest;' in uh taining tin abundant and steady th-w of farm pro'Jini.KV In examining the agricultural shua This walfi fax my cold I ALWAYS lz:p Dr. Kin-i's Xcv I-i,icovc:v lar.tlv. It l.-cak.i im ha;;I, stiibbmn cohj-; and : ::;.( lha fKiruJiysr.ijs cf jTtv- hiiii:. h:;rinl;il ilrurs, .lint jt.Tt eo--xl incijicine. All flrn "..i3t :, 60c. ' ' To New discovery Fcr Coictc GKd. Coughs 'btuhbutu.Oun'uk 'lamed. I,cav- Injj tlie .U.-..(.l; ;:.ii:h)(.J rc.'iults in bcal.'ll li ,! ni'lioii. the gently rtiinulat::iK l-'r. King's Pil! i brir.g to vou a niMilr. nnnn:il Imwrl function inc. Ttili. II (Iruceists. PRO-APT! WOM T CiZIPE 's Fills lo Tusurnncp Cumpanics I'hono yih T.")2 -1 iurr (i 1 The Moore Sanitarium 828 Hawthorne nt 27ih , rorm.ANn - onr.dov tn-tt with u view rn Its linprovenienr, we shall be most helpful If we inulti tnlu a detmdieil and judleiul viewpoint, reinemherlng that exhillng wrongs may hi; cbbdly nn accident of tiiisyiuiueirl c:H eeitiuiiai growth Instead of u crert tion of malevolent design and consplra ey. We Ainerlcjins ui prone. usjr f.sor Imvid Friday well say in hi nd:nlrahle b-k. "I'rofiis. Wages anil I 'rice," to seek a "criminal Intent Iie iiind every ditlh-itll und utidesirable eeo nomle sllu,ithin.H I can poiijvely as sert from my contact with nan of : lar::e alTairs. Imiudlng bankers, rhnt, :is a whole, they are endeavoring lv fidMll n I hey see tletu the obligation: that go with their power. I'reoceupled with tiie grave problem nnd heavy tasks of hrlr nvn luiniediat they liave not lurikal their tin iilol'rl persoirtil uttentifsn in llilf live tUlltiiw to 4telerp'im ufuwrl- .' cuttitMl hii.dness (rtanir.atlon. Api culture. It nwy h- said, surt'ers from tiieir preirupjitl'tji aini wtgh-et i'ath'r than from any purposeful exploitation by the.ii. They ouglrt imw t begin to i-c-:poird to the farmers' dltth-ullies, which they must realize are their own. on tin' other hand, my contacts wltt the farmers have tilled me with respect ; fitr themfor their saniry. their pa uy Your Quality - A Sawyer-Holmes Merc." Co. Vhexf fvfaifi 1? thence" Their batam e. v.aum tin hut '" 11 year, and particularly at a .aeetl... m,J; . )lf .rviccR of Ore. rullKl liy Ihe Kunww W "M M ' 'uu.rm VtAw Wiven Agrleultnre und at mio.her en led by ,ou ' th, associ. the fumu.lttee of Seventeen. I have beck,, pe s is I k , m'et many of ,h, l-lers of the new lition tn to. u " -1 . farm movement, and 1 testify n all ( a-k th. th k c l I Mlneerlty (hat they are endenvorucg to ..ir travel t n 1 ' deal with their pnblou.s. m.t as pro- the other that u eollegt innters nf a mirrow eh.s. interest. ,i,t rLjhir letter ffivii.tf w ,sor,U u form . exploiters 9t th huple c.nu-er. :tinn ...gaiding productiun antl nm nnt as merciless Twmaq.olisis. but i" ketim,' pmbk-ms. icmhers nt in. honest inent heat on the inq.ro I'liiellt of the cuiaiiiin weal. We can and must meet smh me.i and swh a muse half wu. Tt I business Is our huslnes the n;r;ion bMinesd. . Knwn.w Mwsiina, PBNDI.ETON, Jnn.'81- It. 1. .cl:w bo, of llt'rmiston, owner of 0i) stam'ti of Iwi's und one of tho most auci'i-s.-J ful honov raisers of Umatilla county, I was today chosen to ropix-sent tlu Oregon State 'L'oekcopprs Associatitm jas delegate to the American Honey i Producers' League meeting to be lielo :i Salt I.a!:! in the near future. Ile- A LIGHT ATTACHMENT. f A USEFUL SICK EOOM CON TRIVANCE, AND AS THE NAME INDICATES, IT DIMS-A-LITE AS DESIRED. IT ALSO PREVENTS ONE FROM BEING CONFUSED IF AROUND AT NIGHT. - SOLD AT Oregon Light Company Preparation - Service Rule N A THE FLOWER OF UTAH Is Praised by all Users A Trial Will Convince You o o. : Tii,;itr. Willi the !c;aue wis: association in naming in.-- n-. tV. th.t Oni'on beckeeprs P'"'-s; f.'.tm ta.ee to five million pound ; : Km.v Uvrfjy ami thill .rrf-at loss. - t . '. . ,i ti.roiifrh b(e discos, s :,ft Ml-', " ' W-k of int.irm.ition ,erar linj; v,1. - HKMSTITnil.NU 8c yd-. 1M,,,.11 j..h.,p no Mams avmu'. 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