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Navy Culprit Who Revealed
Letter That Caused Wrangle
Reprimanded. Back On Duty
', WASHINGTON, Nov. 9. (.W-Capt. John G. Crommelin, whose
release of confidential Navy correspondence touched off the con
gressional Investigation of military policy, got off Monday with
only a sharp reprimand. He was restored to active duty. .
Admiral Forrest P. Sherman,
the new naval chief of operations,
disposed of Crommelin's case by
writing him a letter of repri
' mand. The letter said Cromme
lin had violated Navy regula
tions. Crommelin, 48-year-old avia
tion hero of World War II, had
been under suspension while the
navy considered whether to
On Oct. 3, Crommelin slipped
to newspapermen copies of a let
ter from Vice Admiral Gerald
F. Bogan to Secretary of the
Navy Francis P. Matthews.
Bogan'a letter spoke of dissat
isfaction among Navy men over
military policies that cut down
on the Navy and built up the Air
Force. Bogan said that morale,
particularly among younger of
ficers, was being hurt.
The publication of the letter
brought on the inquiry by the
House Armed Services commit
tee into the quarreling among
the armed services.
After the hearing closed Presi
dent Truman, on recommenda
tion of Secretary of the Navy
Matthews, ousted Admiral Louis
E. Denfeld as chief of naval op
erations -and placed Admiral
Sherman in the position.
In the Day's News
By FRANK JENKINS
AN interesting' and, in its way,
significant dispatch from Los
Angeles informs us that Holly
wood's former child stars -are
having "nothing but trouble in
the divorce courts." The dispatch
"Jackie Cooper, 27, who tugged
heartstrings 20 years ago in
'Skippy' and The Champ,' is the
latest marital breakup victim. His
wife of five years, Actress June
Home, 30, won an uncontested de
cree yesterday, charging Cooper
with cruelty. She said he came
back changed from the war,
thinking only of his career and
not of his family."
Cooper's split-up, the dispatch
goes on, follows divorce court ex
perience by Jackie Coogan, Shir
ley Temple and Deanna Durbin.
WELL, what can you expect?
A career as a child star is
aboUt as poor preparation for
family life as couid be imagined.
Any kind of "celebrity" is nor-
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"Pop" Green Wins Mayor
Contest In Canyonville
"Pop" Green, polling 118 votes,
was elected mayor of Canyonville
in the heaviest city vote on record
Tuesday. Green beat out incum
bent Albert Mault, who polled 108
Results of the vote for other
Eositions follow: For recorder,
aura Goodell was elected with
148 votes over H. J. Hash, witn
For treasurer, Lela Hamlin, un
contested, received 209 votes.
Three councilmen elected to a
two-year term were Clint Ather
ton, 200 votes; C. F. Ferguson,
133, and J. C. Beals, 126. Other
candidates were George McClane
Sr., 68; John Hamlin, 124, and
Bill Cox 16.
-. Emmette Moyer was elected to
the one-year councilman position,
polling 109 votes, against 94 for
George McClane Sr., and 14 for
i i v i II
vnesT runas uppea 10.90.3uu;
Many Pledges Still Awaited
"Very encouraging" was the way In which Art Lamka, sec
retary of the Roseburg Community Chest, described the unaudited
total of $8,300, which had been received in pledges and gifts dur
ing the first" two days of the annual drive.
I I $io,ooo
I I $5,000
CAPT. JOHN CROMMELIN
His penalty: reprimand.
SAN FRANCISCO, Nov. 9. UP)
There will be no return to the
good old days If they were good
anonnere never was any sues
ming as normalcy.
That's- what President C. B.
Sweet of Washington told the
National Retail Lumber Dealers
Sweet told the convention the
Industry had lost faith in a
"mythical prosperity and a leg
endary past, and grew up to face
present aay reality."
"We have grown up enough to
take our part in voicing the facts
about national legislation affect
ing the American people through
out industry. Since the war, every
bill affecting your business that
has been proposed or passed has
contained provisions detrimental
to private enterprise and the peo
ples of your community.
"Each measure has provided for
government competition, for in
creasing government bureaucratic
spending, for more industry pa
per work, or for reduction of man
hour accomplishments. This must
result in an increase in the cost
of everything you distribute to
Truckers' Request For -Rate
Boost Is Opposed
PORTLAND, Nov. 9 UP)
Oregon trucking firms asked for
a four percent rate boost at a
hearing yesterday before the
State Public Utilities commis
sion. The cargo carriers argued
costs had increased to 96.8 per
cent of gross revenue the first
half of 1949. They said costs
should not be above 93 percent
if their net profit is to be fair.
Shippers and canners' associa
tions indicated they 'later would
oppose the request in arguments
that they could not afford higher
Lebanon Fire Destroys
Business; Loss $100,000
LEBANON, Nov. 9. P Fire
wiped out a $100,000 automotive
parts building here early today.
The burned building housed the
Moty Van Dyke Industrial Supply
company, dealing in heavy log
ging equipment and automotive
Manager ' Marvin Clark esti
mated the loss at over $100,000.
The firm has headquarters at
I t d nnft.
He said that pledge cards, which
were left at many business es
tablishments Monday by the vol
unteer campaign, workers, were
to be picked up today or later
in the week. Also, returns from
lumber mills in the area are ex
pected to boost the total.
Goal of the Roseburg Com
munity Chest this year is $25,
550, which will be spent for
youth and charitable organiza
tions. Local agencies of the chest
include the Boy Scouts, Girls
Scouts, Camp Fire Girls, Young
Men's Christian association, Sal
vation Army and the Oregon
Lamka said reports from the
drive are "encouraging," because
so many pledges and donations
are expected later in the week,
after businessmen and their em
ployes have had an opportunity
to consider the amount of their
gifts to the chest this year.
The drive is being concentrated
In the downtown district this
year. An effort is being made 10
contact all citizens through their
places of business. Persons who
may not be contacted and who
wish to give voluntarily may do
so by mailing their gifts to P. O.
Clubs taking parr In the fund
solicitations include the Rotary,
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.Mostly cloudy with showers
today, tonight and Thursday.
Sunset today 4:54 p. m.
Sunrise tomorrow 7 a. m.
lewis Sends Miners Back To Work
Good Faith Act
To Aid Public,
No Fresh Contract Yet;
Coal Operators Target
Of Blistering Attack
CHICAGO. Nov. 9. UP) -
John L. Lewis today ordered his
striking soft coal miners back to
A resolution was adopted by
the 200-man policy committee of
the strikers to go back to work
until midnight. Nov. 30. under the
terms of the UMWs contract
which expired July 1, 1949.
Lewis said: "This is done as an
act of good faith, designed to con
tribute to public convenience."
Lewis told reporters the 380,000
bituminous workers east of the
Mississippi river who have been
idle 51 days were ordered to go
back into the pits immediately.
Lewis also said:
'The United Mine Workers will
again make another contribution
of major magnitude to enhance
the remote possibility of agree
ment being reached."
Says Operators "Arrogant" '
Lewis said that between now
and November 30 officers and
scale representatives of the union
"will participate in such wage
conferences as may eventuate .n
conformity with recognized
ne urgea mat private nouse
holders and public institutions
"provide themselves In the in
terim with necessary coal sup
plies to tide them over a further
suspension period in the event
that the contemptuous arrogance
of the coal operators remains un
This announcement was made
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One Sentenced To
Prison; 3 Others
Enter Guilty Pleas
Four persons pleaded guilty
upon arraignment before Circuit
Judge Carl E. Wimberly Mon
day. One was sentenced to two
years In the state penitentiary
but imposition of sentence was
postponed upon the other three.
Francis J. Evans of Tenmile
was sentenced to two years in the
penitentiary upon a plea of cuilty
to a charge of contributing to
the delinquency of female chil
dren. He was arrested with Kenneth
Lewis McFarland, who also en
tered a guilty plea, after they
had allegedly transported two
minor Rosebure eirls. aeed 15
and 13, "away from their parents
and home" and into California,
according to District Attorney
Robert G. Davis' information.
The girls, the information stated,
were caused to become delin
quent children after being in the
company of the men overnight.
The sentencing of McFarland
was deferred lor further consid
eration by the Judge.
Another case involvine morals
was that of Harold Lewis Cru
zan, who pleaded guilty to a
charge of contributing to the de
linquency of a four-year-old boy.
Judge Wimberly also suspended
imposition of sentence for fur
Richard Charles Cunningham,
pleaded guilty to a charge of
larceny of an automobile. He
was accused in the district at
torney's information of taking an
automobile, owned by Earl Bal
leu, at Sutherlin on Oct 24. Sen
tencing was also postponed.
Supposed Gold Strike
Turns Out To Be Brass
CASTAIC, Calif.. Nov.9 UP)
California's latest gold strike was
a lime loo sirong on brass.
A rash of gold lever spread
through this little community
when Charley Allen discovered
shiny metal in a well behind his
cafe. Prospectors converged on
the town, only 10 miles from
the site of California's first gold
discovery in 1842.
They thought Allen had the real
thing. Claims were filed and
samples of the golden stuff were
sent to the assayers.
ine assayers report quickly
cured the fever. It said there
was a little gold all right, but
inai me sniny SlUII was brass.
Child's Profanity No
Indication Of Problem
LOS ANGEI.F.K. Nov 0Jn
If your youngster indulges in a
little mild nrofanitv dnn't h.
come alarmed and think you're
rearing a problem child.
ao a a vises Dr. Benjamin
Spock, author of the best seller
"Bahv and Child Pare " snH
associate professor of psychiatry
ai me Mayo lounaaiion.
Dr. Spock said a purple pass
age or two is natural behavior
in children over six years of age.
It shows they are trying their
wings in a ma ior independence.
ROSEBURG, OREGON WEDNESDAY, NOV. , 1949
Parade, Memorial, Grid
Game, Dance, Lunch On
Program; Stores To Close
Roseburg stores will be closed .Friday, Nov., 11... to observe
Armistice day. Members of the Roseburg Retail Trades associa
tion chose to keep their doors closed Friday at a meeting of the
association held at the Umpqua hotel Tuesday noon.
Not affected by the association's action will be several grocery
stores in Roseburg and other business houses usually open on
Senator Reed Of
Kansas Passes On
SENATOR CLYDE REED ,
PARSONS, Kas.. Nov. 9. UP)
Republican Senator Clyde M.
Reed. 78. who fashioned three
successful careers politics, news
paper puDUsnlng ana tne railway
mail service died last night of
a heart attack.
He just left the hospital last.
week after suffering from influ
enza. . .- i . -
His death trimmed the num
ber of Senate Republicans .tem
porarily to 42. However, a Re
publican probably will be named
to succeed him. Kansas Governor
Frank Carlson, who will make
the appointment, also is a Re
Reed spent do years in the rail
way mail service before enter
ing newspaper work and poli
tics. He began as a clerk. When
he quit to manage and publish
the Parsons Sun, a daily news
paper, he was superintendent of
the railway adjustment division.
Outbreak Of Jaundice
Hits Willamette City
EUGENE, Nov. 9.
The Lane county health officer
warned the Willamette oity
community last night that an
outbreak of Jaundloe was
oaused by polluted water.
Dr. A. Trlolo reported eight
oases were diagnosed yester
day. He said the entire popula
tion of 1,000 was menaced by
The health officer said the
water table for the community,
near Oakrldge, Is polluted and
most wells and springs In the
area are unsafe. He said the
eight cases were In five differ
ent families. He said the dan
ger to the community would
not abate until a safe water
supply was assured.
Arnold Kasper, Former
Roseburg Resident, Dies
Information was receiver here
of the death Saturday, Nov. 5,
in roniand oi Arnold li. Kasper,
former owner of the Jiffy Way
Sandwich Shop at 840 So. Ste
phens street In Roseburg.
Kasper, aged 46, is survived by
his widow, Doris B.; sons and
daughters, Sister Mary Agneda,
St. Mary's academy, Portland;
Eleanor Acorn and William G.
Kasper, Blue Lake, Cal.; Ronald
F. Kasper; his father, G.A. Kas
per, Portland; brother, Hedwlg
A. Watzig, Roseburg, Roseburg;
Edward J. and Walter G. Kasper,
Recitation of the rosary was
held Monday at the Miller &
Tracey chapel In Portland. Mass
was offered at St. Philip Nerl
church Tuesday at 9:30 a.m. and
Interment was held In Mt. Cal
Fe was a member of both the
Eagles and Elks lodges.
First Negro Judge Is
Elected In Pittsburgh
PITTSBURGH, Nov. 9. UP)
Allegheny county (Pittsburgh!
elected its first Negro Judge by
a 70,002 vote majority in Tues
He is Homer S. Brown, veteran
Democratic state legislator, who
won election to common pleas
court. He defeated the incumbent
Judge Harry N. Jones, republi
can. Brown, a native of Huntington,
W. Va., is a graduate of Virginia
Union University and the Univer
sity ot mtsDurgn. He was aa
Imitted to the bar in 1922.
William "Dutch" Mills, appear
ing at the meeting on behalf of
local veterans' organizations,
spoke briefly in favor of mer
chants closing their doors Fri
day, so that a scheduled Armis
tice Day observance planned by
various local ' veterans groups
may meet with increased suc
cess in the form of large atten
dance. Mills said the observance will
start with a parade at 10:15 a.m.
Members of the junior high
school band and several march
ing units of the various services
and reserves will participate.
The parade will originate at the
courthouse, continue west to
Jackson street, thence south to
the Indian theatre, at which point
the marchers will disperse and
enter the theatre for a program
set to start at 10:45 a.m.
An invocation will open the ob
servance in the theatre, followed
by singing of the national anthem
by the audience. .
At 10:58 a.m., Warren Mack,
News-Review reporter, will sing
"My Buddy." This will be follow
ed by a period of silence, in honor
oi tne war dead. v
Various military and patriotic
organizations will be introduced,
followed by singing by the Choral
Brie General Curtis T. Beech-
er, USMC Ret., Days Creek, will
terminate the 'theater- portion of
rne program witn remarks in
honor of the occasion.
The Armistice Day program
will be continued at the armory
immediately following, at which
time a potluck lunch will be ser
ved. All veterans and their families
are invited to the lunch, but the
women are asked to provide sal
ads or desserts. The main course
will be furnished by sponsors of
the local Armistice day obser
Highlighting the day s events
will be a 2 p.m. football game
at Flnlay field, featuring the
grade school teams of Roseburg.
All proceeds will be turned over
to the Roseburg school system's
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Civic Assn. Plan
In W. Roseburg
The nucleus of a West Rose
burg Civic Improvement or
ganization was formed at a meet
ing of six residents of the West
Roseburg area Tuesday night in
the Chamber of Commerce con
Ormond Feldkamp was e(rcted
temporary chairman and William
Bolman temporary secretary.
The group discussed the pos
sibility of circulating petitions for
the construction of a sewerage
system, provided the city votes
favorably upon annexatlng the
area on Dec. 13.
Also discussed was the de
sirability of having representa
tion on the city council.
A second meeting, which all
residents of the area are urged to
attend, will be held Tcesday night
of next week In the city council
chambers. Nomination and elec
tion of permanent officers wfll
take place at that time.
BIG GAME ON INCREASE
Population In Oregon At
Record, Lockwood Says;
Larger Elk Kill Needed
Big game elk, deer and antelope In Oregon "Is in better
shape than ever before," Charles A. Lockwood, state game director,
told members of the Roseburg Rod and Gun club Tuesday night.
Speaking before a well attend
ed club meeting. Lockwood spoke
optimistically of Improvements
in fish and game conditions, but
listed problems of Increasing
complexity In budget and polic
ies, destruction of resources by
federal agencies, need for pass
age of the vetoed Dingell bill,
and pressure against wildlife
and conservation from various
He urges sportsmen to orga
nize their strength to promote
conservation, pointing out that
"only 10 percent of men and wo
men holding angling and hunting
licenses are members of organ
ized sportsmen's clubs."
"Big game population In Ore
gon is at an all-time high," Lock
wood asserted. Cards returned
by deer hunters, he said, indi
By Grand Jury
On 2 Charges
Murder, Robbery Listed
In Findings; True Bills
Filed Aggregate 28
Murder Involving robbery is
the charge brought by the Doug
las county grand Jury against Jo
seph Louis Kiel, 41, of Myrtle
Creek in connection with the
death Oct. 30 of Stanley James
Tucker of Springfield, but for
merly of Myrtle Creek.
Two separate counts were
broueht auainst Kiel in the In
dictment. The first count alleges
that he "purposely and of delib
erate and premeditated malice,
did kill. . .Stanley James Tucker
by strangling him.
The second count charges that.
as part oi tne same act ana
transaction alleged in the first
count, Kiel is further accused of
the crime of murder while "en
gaged In the commission of rob
bery." He Is accused of "felon
iously taking a silver Elgin,
watch, a cigaret lighter, a bill
fold containing American curren
cy and a 1940 Ford sedan. . ."
from Tucker "against his will
and by violence to his person."
The charge states that Kiel, while
engaged in the commission of
such robberv, "by his act killed
Stanley Janies Tucker by stran
28 Indictments Filed
The grand jury Tuesday after
noon brought 14 true bills, an
(Continued on Page Two)
Public Urged To
National Education week can
be observed locally only by be
coming acquainted with Ko.se
Superintendent Paul Elliott an
nounced that all the schools have
extended an invitation to the pub
lic to visit them this week, es
pecially the junior high school
today. The junior high principal,
R. R. Brand, is conducting school
for two hours tonight at 7:30 for
parents. This special program is
on and beyond the teachers' reg
ular classroom duty. No parents
of junor high school should miss
this evening, said Elliott.
With an enrollment of 732 in
a building constructed for a max
imum of 500, parents should take
this opportunity to observe per
sonally the kind of educational
opportunity afforded their chil
dren In this school, he said.
Storage rooms have been
pressed Into service as class
rooms, and with these rooms,
which are too small to meet
state standards, the building is 94
percent occupied. Research sets
70 percent continuous use of
standard room for efficient edu
cation. Justice Of Peace, 93,
Named To Sixth Term
JOHNSTOWN, Pa., Nov. 9.
UP) At 93 most men would be
content to take things easy but
not Squire John S. Wicks of near
by South Fork.
Wicks has been justice of the
peace of the small central Penn
sylvania community for 53 years.
Yesterday he was reelected to an
other six-year term.
A republican, he ran without
opposition. The democrat gave
up years ago. :
cate more than 40.000 deed kill
ed "a smaller number killed than
the population permits." Elk kill
also has been high, Lockwood
said, although only a compara
tively few cards have been re
turned to date.
"I hope more are kll'"d because
we have too many elR in some
areas," he said.
Flih Propagation Upped
Speaking of the fishery pro
gram, Lockwood reported that
the game department is holding
three times as many fish to legal
size as ever before. In addition
to enlargement of existing hat
cheries and construction of new
plants, the same department, he
said, . has contracted with the
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HERBERT H. LEHMAN
TUESDAY'S ELECTIONS saw Ex-
Gov. H. H. Lehman defeat John
F. Dulles for the -latter1! seat
in the U, S. Senate. Mayor Wil
liam O'Dwyer of New York Cify
defeated two opponents to re
tain his job. Alio reelected was
Gov. A. E. Driscoll, Republican,
of New jersey, who won over
his Democratic rival, backed by
the Hague machine..
Communist Voted Out
Of N. Y. City's Council ,
NEW YORK.vNov 9 UP)
The Communist party has lost
lis only malor public office in
the United States.
Benjamin J. Davis, Jr., Negro
member of the New York City
council, lost his reelection fight
yesterday to Earl Brown, Negro
magazine writer. Brown was
backed by a Democratic-Republican-Liberal
coalition. He polled
63,030 votes to Davis' 21,902.
Davis is one of the 11 Com
munist leaders convicted of con
spiracy to advocate overthrow of
the U. S. Government in the re
cent conspiracy trial. Sentenc
ed to five years In prison, he is
free on ball pending appeal.
Brazil Cup Of Coffee 40
Centavos (2 Cts. In II. S.)
Houston, Tex., Nov. . P
Do you sit down to break
fast all upset over the leaping
Calm yourself, friend. We're
all in the same boat, or oup.
For Instance, there's normal
ly an awful lot of coffee In
Brazil. That's the place from
which you probably get yours.
And In Brazil the price of a
oup has Jumped from 30 cen
tavos to 40. So says Claude W.
Courand, first aeoretary of the
U. S. . embassy In Rio De
Janerio. He is visiting here.
Cafe owners even went on a
two-day strike to force the
government to let them raise
Forty eentavos Is two eents
Lehman First Jew To
Senate By Popular Vote
NEW YORK, Nov. 9. UP)
Hc.bert H. Lehman is the first
Jew ever elected to the U. S.
Senate by popular vote.
Several men of the Jewish
faith have bacn appointed to ha
senate since 1914, when direct
election of senators began under
the 17th amendment.
Prior to that, senators were
chosen by state legislatures.
Also Gain Congress Seat;
Jersey GOP Governor
Beats Hague's Candidate
By The Associated Press
SmashlnB Democratic victories
in New York's U. S. Senate race)
and in widespread city elections
set President Truman and the
party high command chortling
today over the outlook for 1950.
Republicans didn't find much
to crow about in yesterday's off-
year elections. They held on to
the New Jersey governorship
they already had and tossed out
a Democratic mayor nere ana
But thev took a mauling in the
day's feature political bout, in
New York State. Democrat Her
bert H. Lehman, ex -governor,
easily knocked Republican John,
Foster Dulles out of the U. S.
Senate seat Dulles has held down
since last July by appointment
from Governor Thomas E. Dew
ey. There was one, big, clear-cut
issue: Lehman campaigned hard
for the Truman Home-front pro
gram; Dulles campaigned hard
The president himself, ' glee
fully calling out returns at a din
ner in his honor by the women'!
Democratic club of Washington,
interpreted the result as a vote
of confidence in his "fair deal."
Mr. Truman said It would have
'a very decided effect on the
election In 1950" when control
of Congress is at stake. So did
the Democratic National Chair
man, William M. Boyle Jr.
Furthermore, Boyle said, Leh
man's victory "was only the
highlight of a national trend1
that won out again over Repub
lican "generalities" and "scare
attacks.1' Part of that "trend"
was a repeat win for Democra
tic Mayor William O'Dwyer pi
New York city.
Republicans Talk Back
The G.O.P. National chairman,
Guy George Gareielson, said in
a statement that "the principles
which Senator Dulles expounded
in his campaign are those which
ultimately will prevail, because
they are right."
And Senator Brewster (R.-Me.),
chairman ot the Senate Republi
can campaign committee, belit
tled Democratic rejoicing over
Keeping a &enaie seat uiey nave
held 22 years. . .
"Their . precarious control of
the Senate," he said at his home
at Dexter, Me., "depends upon
six seats far more doubtful than
the one they have retained in
New York. Good professional has
beaten a good amateur.
Boss Hague Given Setback
In New Jersey, Gabrielson
(Continued on Page Two)
Quirino Leads In
MANILA. Nov. 9. UP) Late
official returns tonight gave Pres
ident Elpldio Quirino a scant 16,-000-vote
lead over former Jap
anese puppet Jose P. Laurel in
yesterday's bitter Philippines
Jose Avelino, third candidate.
appeared defeated, i
From all sides came chargei
of murder, mayhem and vote
iraud in tne election.
Laurel s showing was amazing
because of his war record. He
served as puppet president under
Four years ago he was In a
Jail cell, and said he expected to
be shot, tie was ireed oy am
nesty. His political comeback from
that cell at the hands of an em
bittered people who even yet
viciously kick cans labelled "made
Laurel has been an outspoken
critic of Philippine co-operation
witn tne united states.
Quirino, on the other hand,
favored America. On the basis
of wires from the provinces his
supporters tonight claimed the
election for him. .
Sporadic shootings accounted
for 26 dead and 40 wounded In
the election. There was an un
confirmed report 78 more mem
bers of Laurel's Naclonallsta par
ty on Mindanao had been slain
by Quirlno's civilian guard.
J. D. Van Dyke, Riddle
Resident, Passes Away
J. D. VanDyke, 75, resident ot
Riddle, died after a short Illness
Nov. 8. He was born March 19,
1874, In Meaker County, Minn.
He was a member of Elks Lodge
No. 326 of Roseburg.
Surviving are a brother.
George Van Dyke, Portland; a
daughter, Kuby van Dyke, Boise,
Idaho, and two stepsons, Wal
ter Farrls, Portland, and Harold
Funeral arrangements will be
announced by the Roseburg Fu
neral home upon arrival of re
Ltvtty Fact Row
Oregon's big game Increase
to a record number Is a top
telling point for future tourist
revenue. It should be accom
panied by a decrease In the
number of hunters who look like
big game to fellow nlmrods toe
hasty on the trigger.