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SECTION TWO Pages 1 to 18 CLASSIFIED ADVERTISING SPORTING AND MARKET REPORTS VOL. XXX. rORTLAXD, OREGON, SUNDAY 3IOKXING, DECEMBER 3, 1911. NO. 49. WASHINGTON GETS MAJORITY ON ALL-CONFERENCE TEAM Dobies's Aggregation of Pigskin Pushers Wins Five Places on Picked Best of Northwest Colleges and Universities Oregon and Aggies Represented by Places. - f-1' ' :0 '. ' .- (vT : - : Q. ., . . - . W Yi- ' -'1A- ! -:-".I A I 1 1 TlVAi. J Knrvrr !. Or. Ar. Col..lft end tl-". Wahln(ton. . . Irft tmcklv r.lnl cr.'T). Wash. Stale. lrft cuard K.l'nrx Ort"n center Rall.r i .-;T i. Oregon rtht suard Pattnn 4 Waah right tarkie Vatton (Iim.i. Wuh light end . fori. l"k. W'uhlnrton quart.r f Vain U7.-). rapt.. Orrgon. .1ft half T Murkl.aton Moi. Waab.. right halt NH.a l ITT". Whitman full bark t r.rlmm (IxT. Washington . . . Ift and riahbark ilaI. stata. .l.ft tackla J ihrUtman i!7i. O. A. (.... Irft guard a Carlaon 1T5l. O. A. C c.nt.r a J. Hart. r (Jul in-, gtata. .right guard f N.II1 ltti. Whitman. . . ..right tarkla Brartahaw iliCl. Oregon right and a Uator.tt. llAi Oregon quarter Wand (1." Waahlngton. ..left ha:t Perktna 1T. Idahu right half T Sparger 1T5. WaaMticton. .full back ....................a ..4 BT FOSfOE TAWCETT. THA'K5I1 VINO day stowed away, moleskin laid la mothball and training; hardship mamorlca of the paat. the football arladlatorg. who have been flirhtlng; valiantly for their respective Northwestern conference collegia all Kali, are looking; forward eagerly to the honorary gelectlona by various critics. The absence of heavy, well-balanced bachflgldn was one of the most nntice- ahle of the 111 campaign. Va5hlrpt0n having; the one best bet. In the plunsr Insr quartet led by Klirht Halfback Murklestone. one of the ajreatest a; round trainers ever seen on a North west srrldlron. Oregron and Wsshln; ton State both possessed heavier rush lire than Washington, but seemed to lack the well-balanced argressl veness on the secondary line. Critics will agree arln on one point, the wonderful superiority of the Wash ington University aquad, under Coach Dobie. over all others, with a S4-0 margin over the Oregon Agfrles. I-3 overshadowing; of Oregron and SO-6 swamping; of Washington State. Wash ington, therefore, must be acceded about one-half the all-star positions. Five ( Ible Mri Wis.. Five of the Washington champions have been chosen on the first team, viz.. both tackles. I'atton and Bliss. Itlght End Sutton. Quarterback and Captain Coyle and Halfback Muckle stone. Coyle and Mucklestone undoubt edly will be found In all the critics' favor, but some surprise likely will be evinced at the relegating- of Warren Grimm, the husky Wt end. to the sec ond squad In view of his great show ing; In the game with Oregon on Mult nomah Field. The 187-pound Chehalls monument did perform In stellar style In the memorable 2-l walkaway on November IS. but hla showing In two other Karnes Idaho and Oregon Agri cultural College was not even up to the standard of the third or fourth rater, let alone a man rounding; out his fourth season on the varsity. Coach Dobie evidently shared this belief to a certain extent, for. If we remember truly. Qrlmm was Jerked out In two of the games for fumbling and -4a 7 ;7$$'- -M 7 -f -3 t - t b" Indifferent play, and even as late as five days before the Thanksgiving af ray with Washington State Dobie shoved him back on the second string for his mediocre showing against the scrubs. The Washington tackles. Patton and Bliss, are choen because of their con sistent checking; and boxing and their methods of . attack and ability to quick, ly size up the opposing; team's methods.. Bailey, of Oregon, and Laird, of Wash ington. State, are much heavier and more experienced men in the tackle positions and would be a credit to any all-star team. These veterans are too valuable to leave out, and as both would make Ideal guards, that is where they are placed. Leaving Washington for the mo ment. nberg, of the Oregon Aggies. Is chosen for the left end niche. Little has been said of this lS8-pound Baker wonder In the columns of the dally press, and Enberg probably will be en tirely overlooked by a majority of the critics. But he Is perhaps the best of fensive and defensive endman In the conference. a Knberg has played four yearf with the Oregon Aggies, two In the back field, last year at tackle and this sea son at end, where he really found him self. He was elected field captain when May was incapacitated by injuries. He is 23 years old, weighs 1S8 and Is 5 feet 10 Inches tall and can run the cen tury In well under 11 seconds. Enberg is also a good place-kicker, as Seattle folk can attest, for one of his offerings barely fell short in the Washington game although attempted from close to the 60-yard line. Sutton, of 'Washington, is given the other wing position. He Is not as heavy as Grimm nor can he gobble In forward passes like his tall brother at the other extremity, but he plays much more consistently throughout the sea son. Kelloarar Leads Centers. All four of the leading conference elevens boasted of strong and heady centerpieces, Kellogg at Oregon, Pres ley at Washington, G. Marter at Wash ington State and Carlson at Corvallis. Kellogg playing his final season for the lemon-yellow Is awarded the keystone plum. Kellogg tips the beam at close to 190 pounds stripped and while handi capped by the direct style of passing which Warner used exclusively at Ore gon, went through the conference sea son with never a skip. Carlson, Harter and Presley are about a standoff, Har ter, the tallest man In football, being the heaviest, with 190 pounds of per pendicularity attached to his frame. At quarter Coyle. of Washington; Latourette, of Oregon, and Perkins, of Idaho, form a trio of sterling field gen erals. Coyle has run his team fault lessly all through the campaign and has wobbled not at all. He undoubted ly will be awarded the honor by a unanimous vote. Perkins has been given a halfback place on the second squad. Mucklestone and Main are head and shoulder above all other Northwestern halfbacks. Main having a shade over his northern brother in defensive play. Both have finished their allotted four seasons with the pigskin. Main has been the plnwheel In the Oregon team, winning the Washington State 6-0 game by a lightning 70-yard dash through the entire Pullman squad, and pulling out a victory over Whitman 8-5 by a placement In the final quarter. Main likewise polled Oregon's three points against Washington on a field goal. He Is given the captaincy of the all stars. Royal Nlles, of Whitman college. Is supreme among fullbacks, for. In ad dition to doing practically all the ground gaining for Archie Hahn's speed merchants, calling signals and otherwise acting as human pillar for the Missionaries, Nlles' punting shines forth as the best in the Northwest. His punts have averaged close to 45 yards and In practice he has consistent! y covered 50 and 55 yards. Nlles is also a dropklcker of no mean ability. He weighs 177 pounds. This eleven. If properly coached by a man of Doble's caliber, would be strong In every department of the game. The average weight Is 184 pounds, very evenly distributed. The backfleld averages 172 pounds. OREGON"U"MEN FOR GRADUATE COACHES Sentiment Is Strong for Giving Old Stan Chance Situation to Be Talked Over at Meeting of Graduates. PROFESSIONAL football coaches at the University of Oregon have seen their day If the sentiment of Eu gene alumni, who now live In Portland, (rains favor with "the powers that be." "An Oregon system is what we want." said a prominent alumnus yesterday, following a conference of lemon-yellow graduates on the coaching situa tion. Members of the gathering brought up the point that high-priced coaches from the East are masters of team work and funcv play, but that they have proved lacking In the ability to teach Individ ual players the rudiments of football. It was argued that a committee of three alumni coaches a lineman, a back and an end would be able to teach the new players the duties of their respec tive positions, and that other old-time stars would return from time to time to assist In this Instruction. Dick Smith, former coach. Is. now practicing law In Eugene and the Ore gon football men believe that lie would consent to act as coach In an advisory capacity, provided the actual lman?wblfe Go. Direct Your Particular Attention 0 . to a Most Important Holiday Sale Announcement Full Details of Which Appear on Pages 6-7 of the Third Section A Sale Without a Parallel Every Article Reduced work on the field were done ty young er men who have more time at Ihelr command. Other Oregon alumni who live In the University city are Fred C. MouIIen. the fanous place-kicker, tackle and guard, - 1905-08. captain 1908; and George W. Hug. center. 1904-05-0C, all-Northwest center 1905-0X. Old stars Available. Among the other available men are: Louis Plnkham. of .Spokane, tackle 1907-08-09. all-Northwest 1998-09; Gor don C. .Moores. of Pasco, end 1904-05-Od-07, captain 1907. all-Northwest 190- 07; J. R- Latourette. of Portland, quar terback 1903-04-0T.-0S. captain 1903. all. Northwest 1904-4)5; Prank Templeton. of Portland, halfback 1904-05. said to be the best defensive football man ever seen In the Northwest; William G. ("Weary") Chandler, of Marshfleid. end 1903-04-05.0i. captain 1906: Seth Ker ron. guard and fullback 1901-03-03-04-05, all-Northwest 1904-05; Charles M. "Chuck" Taylor, halfback 1907-09-10. all-Northwest 1909-10. captain 1910; Virgil X. Earl, of Portland, tackle 1901-02-08.04-05. coach Washington High School for three years; Dudley Clark, of Portland, half and fullback 1908-07-08-09. all-Northwest 1908-09, best punter ever turned out at Eugene, captain 1909; Bill Main, captain of this year's team, halfback 1908.09-10-11: Henry M. McKlnney. of Baker, tackle 1907-03-05. fullback 1906. all-Northwest 1906. Speaking of the graduate coach plan, another local alumnus who formerly managed the Oregon team said: "Ore gon has been coached first by one man and then by another for the last 10 years and except In the rase' of Bob Forbes, no one man has done the coaching for more than two successive years. The result has been a hit-and-miss policy, with very few champion ship teams. Forbes had a much strong, cr team In 1909 than In 1908 and had It been possible to retain him for 1910 and 1911. I believe that his Yale sys tem would have been vindicated and that Dobie would have had mighty bard work beating Oregon. . "I do not blame Warner for this year's defeats as much as I blame the unbuslness-llke and hap-hasard policy of Oregon In not adopting ene system and sticking to, that system year in and year out. It Is hard to get first-class men to come out here from the East, for If they are really first-class, the East will keep them. There are. of course, exceptions to this rule, but in the main t Is true. A lam ml Support deeded. "What Oregon needs is a system of graduate coaching and more support from Its alumni. With such men as Latourette. Moores. Chandler, Plnkham. Earl. Templeton, Clark. Kerron. McKln ney, Smith and Moullen to draw from. there Is no reason why a good coaching staff should not be selected. There Is plenty of good material at Oregon and more coming and our own alumni can give the Individual material the coach ing that a high. priced Eastern star cannot give, for the reason that such a star usually knows the details of only one position. A head coach with two good assistants, all from the alumni, and all on the ground from the opening of college until the end of the season, would make winners out of the Oregon team and would build up a system that neither Dobie nor any other outside coach could break down. "Then we could count on the assist ance of many old stars who would come back from time to time for a few days. Of course there should be a head coach and his word should be law. but the other coaches could work In harmony with him and under hla direction. Ore gon has made a move In the right di rection by adopting the graduate man ager system, and the next move will be the system of graduate coaches." PORTLAND AND SEATTLE HIGHS TO PLAY Game Scheduled for December 9 Between All-Star Teams of Respective Cities, Picked From Various High Schools. LEST WE FORGET What Former Portland Flayers Are Now Doing. No. 29. Arthur Anderson. AMONG the weak departments of the Portland team of 1903 was the catching staff, and this was due prin cipally to Injuries sustained by Sammy Vlgneux and Con Harlow. Several catchers were tried and found wanting, but toward the end of the season the club landed Catcher Arthur Anderson. Anderson had been with the Los An geles Club and was turned over to Portland by James F. Morley, then the owner of the Angel club. Anderson had also made quite a showing with the Helena team of the Northwestern League, so when he Joined the Port land team he was not altogether . a stranger here. He Jumped Into favor here Immedi ately by his line work back of the bat and also by his timely hitting.' Ander son drifted East the following season' and caught for several years In the Southern League. Later he went to the Western League, where he caught for Sioux City and other clubs. Anderson was a good catcher but his habits were not of the best, and his actions In Oils respect were respon sible for his being allowed to go by the Portland team when W. Fred Ely took hold of the club at the end of that sea son. He Is now out of baseball and la said to be living in Kansas City. BTV ORTLAND football enthusiasts are J to see one more game before the close of December, for arrange ments were concluded yesterday where by an all-star high school eleven chosen from the five or six schools of Seattle' will compete against a Portland all-star high school team next Satur day. December 9. on Multnomah Field. The Seattle team Is to be chosen by sporting editors of the Seattle papers and probably will be coached and man aged by Tom McDonald, physical di rector of the Seattle Athletic Club, through whom the following challenge was leveled at Portland: "Seattle, Wash., No-. 29. "Sporting Editor, The Oregonlan: All-star team from Seattle high schools desires game with Portland all-stars in Seattle, December 9. T. M'DONALD." Because of probable Interference with scholastic work the Portland lads could not see their way clear to play in Seattle, but after conferences with Principals Herdman. Davis and Jen kins, of the three big high schonls, the challenge was accepted, with the provi sion that Seattle come to Portland. Seattle Will Play Here. The Seattle boys accepted the defl yesterday and will begin training Mon day. Under the terms the visitors are to pay their own expenses and take E0 per cent of the gate receipts, Mult nomah get 25 per cent for the field, and the remaining 25 per cent will go for the purchase of balls, payment of coach, and for a banquet for the rival teams if enough remains in the treas ury. The Seattle eleven will be chosen mainly from the three big teams, Broadway. Lincoln and Queen Anne, while Portland's eleven will be picked from those- of the Ave schools, Lin coln. Washington, Jefferson, Portland Academy and Hill Military Academy. Gnme May Harmonize Factions, "I think the Idea is an excellent one." said Principal Hopkln Jenkins, of Jef ferson. "Such a contest "would serve to draw the students of the Portland Institutions together and that feature alone Is highly desirable In view of the friction of the past few weeks, follow ing lnterscholastlc games here." Practice probably will begin Monday afternoon at Multnomah Field, with Coach Rlnehart. of Lincoln, Coach Carl, of Washington, or Coach Wolff, of Hill, in command. E GALLED PERFECT DOBIE SAYS RULE CHAXGES WOCLD HURT FOOTBAIL. Smith Winner at Golf. MEMPHIS. Dec 8. Alexander Smith, of New York, won the open Southern golf championship 72-hole medal play today, with a score of 300 for the four rounds. Fred McLeod, of St. Louis, was second with 304, and Tom McNamara, of Boston, third with 306. Days of Beef Gone for Good, Great Coach Declares Open Play Gl-vea Element of Chance. UXrVERS'lTY OF WASHINGTON. Se attle. Dec. 2. (Special.) That foot ball has now reached perfection and fhat there wilt be no more radical change In rules. Is the opinion of Coach Gllmore Dobie, tutor of the un defeated University of Washington football squad and graduate of the Minnesota School of Law. He says: "American football as a game has reached the point where any great change in the rules would dor inesti mable damage to the greatest of college sports. It is now a sport that develops the body and the brain to the highest degree and provides that element of vigorous competition which a young man meets when he leaves college and gets out Into life. "Time was when the backwoods clod with lots of beef and bone could leave the plow and get on the varsity foot ball squad with little effort. If he proved able to stand up against fellows heavier than himself and willing to form the foundation for a pyramid of waving arms, legs and football para phernalia, then all was well. But there were too many accidents and some deaths so reform was started and foot- 1 ball was reduced finally to Its present state. "When beef was the whole thing, fans could size up contestants and Judge fairly accurately by compara tlve scores what the outcome of i game would be.- The new game makes an accurate estimation on this basis Impossible. It provides that element of chance to football that Is in baseball and the openness of play makes the outcome extremely uncertain. "I do not believe that football will ever become a National sport in the fullest sense of the word. The sug gestion that the different conferences might arrange a series of National contests to decide the football cham pionship of the United States appeals to me as a little absurd. "Football prlmarilly Is a college sport, designed to provide amusement and to develop the men. It is not played for money and I do not think it will ever be successful on that basis. Long trips by the winning conference university on the Pacific Coast to a big city In the East would greatly Inter fere with the scholastic work of the players and the expenses would be great. The object of football Is not to win championships, anyway." Mount Angel College Team Wins. MOUNT ANGEL COLLEGE, Mount Angel, Or.. Dec. 2. (Special.) Al though pitting a center of five feet six Inches against a center six feet two Inches tall, the Mount Angel- College basketball team defeated the Wood burn High School sophomore quintet by a 49 to 0 score here today. The lineup was as follows: Woodburn. Position. Mt. Angel Col. Klnnom i -C Kroneberg, Ryan Fucrla F Beck. Silver Dixon F Meier Harvey G Hoaman, Sullivan Stuae .G....A..... .......... , Gues TITLE TO BE DECIDED THE DALLES AND PENDLETON ELEVENS TO CLASH. Football Teams Will Battle for Championship of Eastern Ore gon Next Friday. THE DALLES, Or., Dec. 2. (Spe cial.) After a week's negotiations It has been decided to play the Pendle-ton-The Dalles high school football game In this city Friday, December 8, when the lnterscholastlc championship of Eastern Oregon will be settled. The business men here will close their stores during part of the after noon and see the gridiron struggle. In tense Interest Is being shown in the coming battle, local merchants, by their liberal donations, having made it possible to bring the Pendleton aggre gation here. That the championship game will be a close one Is almost a certainty. Pen dleton has won all of Its games this season by decisive scores, cleaning up everything In its section of the state, while The Dalles team also has gone through the season without defeat, scoring 181 points to 5 made by their opponents. While Pendleton was de feating the Heppner High Thanksgiv ing day. 49 to 0. The Dalles defeated Hood River High School team here. 116 to 0. Coach Murray's men scored at will. Every indication points to the larg est crowd that ever witnessed a foot ball game in this part of the state. J