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About Morning Oregonian. (Portland, Or.) 1861-1937 | View Entire Issue (Nov. 5, 1913)
s TOE MORXING OREGO NT AN, WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 5, 1913. NAPS WANT LOBER; ELMER SCORNS BID Hard Hitting Fielder Refuses to Make Advance to Major League. RODGERS' DEAL HANGS FIRE Shifts From Portland Players Will Be Determined When Manager McCredle Makes Trip . East. Ryan Drop No Surprise. That Walter McCredle designed to Bend Elmer Lober to the Cleveland Naps, only to run against a snag In Iober himself, became known yester day In connection with the transfer of Buddy Ryan by Cleveland to Toledo. Cleveland, according to the dope, figures on one more year for Larry l,u jole at second base and Is more in need of an outfielder of caliber than of an lnflelder. Somers wrote MeCredie several days ago and. while he did not turn the Rodger proposal down flat-footedly, It Is said he ex pressed great Interest In Outfielder Lober. "It is true that I had a talk with Lober concerning a transfer to the Naps." admitted Manager McCredle. "It also Is true that Lober refused point blank to go," he added. "And I think Klmer made a mistake and will change his mind on further reflestion. Lobcr'a Flaying Landed. "Lober Is good enough to play reg ularly on any team In the two major leagues. He has one weakness, base running, but up there only a few stars, like Cobb, Speaker, Jackson and Crawford, are minus their flaws. "Lober is a corking good hitter, has a wonderful whip and Is a dandy fielder. He judges Instantaneously with the crack of the bat, and any thing that hits his hands Is dead. He has a swell pair of lunch hooks. "Ty is only a youngster and ought to develop in the majors just as fast as in the Coast League. He is ripe now nnd shouldn't dally around AA ball any longer than necessary." McCredle leaves Portland Friday for the Kast, where he will attend the minor leagues' session at Columbus, O., the middle of the month. While there ho will meet Owner Somers of the Naps and the fate of Rodgers, Lober nnd others will be threshed out at that" t imp. Kodgers Is now hunting in Southern Oregon and Lober is playing Winter ball at Brawley, Cal. Dog-Catcher Nabs Mascot. Portland's Coast League club came within an ace of being mascotless yes terday. An energetic dog-catcher speared "Cap," the pedigreed Boston terrier, while "Cap" was out sunning himself in the McCredle back yard, and it re quired ?1 of baseball kale to extract the little bull from the clutches of the law. Wouldn't it seem odd to see Joe Berger . disporting in a Venice uni form? Stranger things have happened: yea. verily, for instance, Sam Holbrook's Hohenzollern face adornment. It is stated on good authority In Los Aneeles that Happy Hogan has made overtures to the Chicago White Sox for the former Los Angeles shortstop, ncl, us Joe didn't burn up the Amer ican League last year, there is a chance cf his coming back. Concerning Buddy Ryan's transfer to Toledo by the Naps, Walter ' McCredle nppeared not a bit surprised when In formed of the deal. In fact, it Is said that Walt knew In advance of Buddy's guillotining and had a chance to bid on the ex-Beaver home-run clouter. Walt says Buddy has been slowing tip with inactivity on the Naps' bench find that he has no room on the present Portland team for his old favorite. BAKER HOWLERS ARE VICTORS Germania Life Team Beaten Two Out of Three Games. The Baker Shoe Company bowling team defeated the Germania Life Monday night on the Saratoga alleys, two out of three games, with the only 200-man of the evening in the Baker lineup. Captain Franklin bowled an even 200 his score In the second, but that game was lost to the Germania by Just one point, the scores being S17 nnd 818. Thi-s the Bakers protested, on an alleged error In the score. The Jaeger Bros, and Rainier Brew ery teams bowled their postponed game on the Oregon alleys. The Rainier team took all three but the margins were small. The scores last night: 1st 2d 8d "Baker Shoe Co. Game.Qame.Qame. y.'PDe 104 lttO 10S 146 17 135 164 7 SO IHutts 129 Hondetti 17'J l'ampbe!l 144 D. Franklin (Capt.) 14U Totals 758 1J! J CI S 100 817 (irand total, 2355. Germania Lifclnsurance Co. Pespnau 1)4 J)ebbin 170 l.ee 173 Henry Ki Opendyke (Capt.) 17 J Totals ' 602 Grand total. 2103. hiKh score, 20O; hit;" average, Dlbben 171. Jaeger Bros. Ptevor 3 2(1 VapHorn 203 Xirodt Hi:-. Cooper 15S Neil 1G0 Totals bis Grand total. irtSS. Rainlor Brewery ChRtterton ..ISA Mi-Mahon 15.1 Cavln 1S3 Xartle (Capt.) 184 tVuIUt lOtJ Totals 822 Grand total, 2441. Amateur Athletics. IRS LSI 10,0 140 14.1 1!2 1T1 118 114 168 818 B!3 Franklin 1S3 ir.l 1H2 113 ICG 747 154 172 15.1 J0-2 147 S-'S 361 las ll!,1 17B 1G3 17S 1HS SOS ins 162 751 sen In a spirited and excltincr basketball pame the Rosarlans downed the Hoods 26 to 24 on the Christian Brothers' Bus! ness College gymnasium floor yester day afternoon. The first half ended "with the Hoods leading. 16 to 2, but Chappelle and Williams of the Rosa rlans then took life and each scored three field baskets in quick succession. For the losers Captain Sieberts was the shining light. . . At a general assembly In the school auditorium yesterday morning the "Washington Hlfrh School was presented with two trophies. One from the Hon eyman Hardware Company to the girls' track team champions of the lnter scholastic league last Spring, and the other was from the management of tho Oaks to the Kast Side school for win ning the interscholastic skating race. Both were presented by TV. A. Fens'ir macher. . n The Oregon Law School football team is in need of a game for next Sunday morning or afternoon. Call Manager John Dwyer to arrange this game. Although its schedule is almost com- pleted, the Jewish Boys' Athletlo Club basketball team has a few more Jpen dates. Any manager 'wanting a game can get it by writing or calling Man ager Hyman Schwartz at the Franklin Hotel. What is looked forward to be a fea ture game of the Portland Interscho lastlc Football League will be played on Multnomah Field next Friday aft ernoon when Jefferson High meets Portland Academy. All the games the Jefferson High has lost have been by low scores and against the heavy Wash, lngton High team it succombed, 7 to 0. Football Team Electa. The Multnomah Club football second team Monday night elected Quarterback-Humphries to be captain. He was opposed by O'Hare, Hummell and Duffy. He beat O'Hare by one vote. The team has signed to play the Astoria High School football team at Astoria Satur day afternoon. The lineup will be somewhat changed from the formation which lost to Chemawa Saturday, but will not be announced until the final practice, Friday night. Hogan to Sign New Battery. LOS ANGELES, Cal., Nov. 4. "Hap py" Hogan, manager of the Venice Coast League team, left tonight for San Francisco, where he will Join other magnates and go with them to the convention of minor-league lead ers at Columbus. After a conference with Ed Maier, president of the Venice Club, Hogan said he would pick up five or six players in the East, in cluding a new battery and a couple of inf lelders. WASHINGTON IS DEFIED WILLAMETTE MAX SAYS SEAT TLE ELEVEN OVERRATED. SalemiTeam Ready to Defeat Squad of North City, if Oregon Can not Do Trick. WILLAMETTE UNIVERSITY. Salem. Or., Nov. 4. (Special.) The Willamette University football team and Dr. Sweet land, the coach, believe the team is much stronger than Indicated thus far. The members freely assert that had they met Oregon, which is much heav ier, on a dry field the State Uni versity team would have been defeated far worse. For two weeks prior to the Oregon game the weather was fine and dry. Willamette specialized during all this time on open play, different than any thing seen on the Coast before, and It Is said by those in position to know that Willamette's open play would have baffled any team. Willamette players and Dr. Sweetland hope and believe Washington will fall before the University of Oregon. Dr. Sweetland freely predicts that Wash ington Is a greatly overrated team. "Dobie's team has two most marked weaknesses and I am surprised that these have not been fathomed before," said Dr. Sweetland. "I believe Bezdek has discovered these weak points and will defeat Washington as sure as they meet. If Washington should de feat the University of Oregon, which I do not for a moment believe they will do, then I hope Universicy of Ore gon, Oregon Agricultural College and the Multnomah Club will insist that the much-overrated Seattle eleven will play Willamette. Salem should be the place for this game, but we will play In Portland and finally In Seattle if the financial; arrangements there are as good as at the former places. "I have assurances that .come from those in a position to know, that Wash ington would, play this" game. If this contest is arranged I am positive Wash ington will be defeated. I have never made prior to this the statement before any game that my team was stronger than any opponent, and only do so now because I am tired of seeing the pres ent University of Washington team so overrated." Two North-westerners Crippled. CHICAGO, Nov. 4. It was announced today that Greer, who has been playing quarterback and halfback . on the Northwestern University football team, is 111. He is suffering from a peculiar strain of the stomach and will be un able to play again this season. It also was announced that Whiting, halfback, will be unable to play against Chicago Saturday, as the injury to his knee is serious. St. Louis, Mo. Members of the St. Louis University football team scrim maged today with the freshman team in preparation for Saturday's game with Crelehton. SPORT -NEWS i S It true that most lighters have been reared in poverty?" asks a reader. Yes. practically all the great men of the ring, past and present, were early acquainted with toil and adversity. Taking only the latter-day fighters as examples," John Heenan was a black, smith and worked at Benicla, Cal.; Jack Morrlsey, another ciassy heavyweight, was early employed In a Troy foundry; Paddy Ryan was also a Troy mechanic; John L. Sullivan was a tinsmith; Bob Fltzsimmons a blacksmith, his chief delight nowadays being to pound out silver horseshoes for his friends; James J. Corbett was a bank clerk in San Francisco; J. J. Jeffries, a boiler- maker; Tommy Burns was a la crosse player and Jack Johnson, a Galveston stevedore. Jake Kilrain was a professional scul ler, before taking up the padded pil lows; Charley Mitchell was em ployed in a medical college; Tom Sharkey, a sailor, and Peter Maher an employe of a Bombardier Wells, brewery. Ike Weir was a jockey; Kid Lavigne worked on the docks at Sagi naw, Mich.; Frank Erne was employed in a Buffalo bowling alley; Bat Nelson was a farm boy; Billy Smith worked in a Maine sardine packing plant; Joe Wolcott was born in British Guinea and was first a cabin boy aboard a lumber ship and later a piano mover, while Jack Dempsey, Jack Skelly and Jack McAullffe were coopers. Of the moire recent boxers Bom bardier 'Wells had the queerest oc cupation of them all. He was a bone boiler, whatever that Is. Johnny KU bane was a railroad clerk; Packey McFarland. worked in the Chicago packing-houses; Jim Flynn was a loco motive fireman; Carl Morris an engi neer: Willie Ritchie an automobile mechanic: Bud Anderson clerke. in livery stable; Larry Madden was, and still is. a good policeman, and so it goes on down the line. Bv an "oversight Ted Sullivan failed to schedule a game at Lahassa, which Is -unfortunate, as he may want to scout for the Himalaya League some day. . m . According to cruel gossip, Kid Ex Doslto. Portland lightweight, used to be a Mexican before Joe, Rivers got his. Now Expo Is a Portuguese. Bob Stevens, well-known Portland ball fan, says Connie Mack had Pete f-t" i v el xl My' mm i rjwfrnflf ti. PHYSICAL TUTORING IS Y. H. C. A. TOPIC Instructors of Northwest, in Convention, Hear of Value of System in Work. STUDY OF PUPILS IS URGED Active Interest in Other Departments of Association Advised Also. Visitors Inspect Play grounds in Portland. Discussion of the model physical in structor, his relation to the other de partments of the T. M. C. A. and his various qualifications, consumed con siderable time at yesterday's session of the Northwest Y. M. C. A. physical in structors now holding their first an nual meeting at the Portland T. M. C A. W. H. Ball, physical department sec retary of the international committee of the Y. M. C. A., was 'the principal speaker, and chose the subject "Gym nastic Pedogagy." and emphasized the value of system in the physical depart ment. "There should be more thought in the drills of the classes and less hap hazard work," he said. "The apparatus work of the gymnasium is now down to a system and its fruits are apparent. However, the drill work still lacks the theory. Apparatus Work Graded. "The apparatus work is now graded. There are five steps of one year each, and students are graded accordingly. This progression is essential and one which has not as yet been introduced in the drill work, as much as I would like to see it, "Also the pupils should be classified. They should be studied and placed where they will do the most effective work. "The student who is placed with a class much in advance will do the same as he will in an ordinary school. He is afraid to make a try at the work, because he knows he cannot do it with the grace of the others." Ivan B. Rhodes, secretary of Oregon and Idaho, spoke on the co-operation of the physical department with other parts of the association. . Mr. Rhodes does not believe in in tense specialization on the part of -the instructors. He believes that the more successful man is the one who can take active parts in other departments of the Y. M. C. A. He takes eight differ ent branches as connected with the physical department. They are: Ad ministrative, business and financial, membership, employment, boys, educa tional, religious and social. Benefits of Massage Told. Dr. C. El Dodge, in charge of the bath department of the Portland Y. M. C. A spoke on the benefits of massage. His lecture gave the visiting instructors much technical knowledge on the effect of treatments. In the afternoon the delegates were guests of Sidney Rasmussen, Park Su perintendent Mische and Walter Hol man on an inspection tour of the Port land playgrounds. Speakers today will be Dr. J. E. F.lse, Portland; Dr. Norman C. Coleman, Reed College, Portland; A. G. Douthitt, Seat tle, Wash.; William H. Ball, New York; Earl H. Lee, Spokane. Wash.; Oscar B. Gingrich, Salem; George Maxwell, Van couver, B. C; C. O. Keester, North rakima. Wash., and H. G. Beall. Vic toria, B. C FIELD FAVORS COLOMBIA HEAVY GROUNDS HANDICAP TO LIGHT HILL TEAM. Result of Today's Contest to Have No Bearing on Championshop. Players Reported Fit. The annual Columbia University-Hill Military Academy football game will POT POURRI Daley out on the coaching line all through the world's series. Daily, as it were. The National Iseague piled up 800 more-base hits during. 1913 than the American, but not in the world's series. The greatest discovery since tho North Pole wasn't discovered was made at ban Jose, Cal., the other day. Alvin Hall, a clerk In a San Jose cigar store, asked a friend who Christy Math ewson was. t-orneu. - averred uoacn Sharnn a. rew days ago, "needs more practice The Ithacans have no more reason for kicking. Harvard gave them Quite a workout Saturday, 23-6. .Pittsburg University has an end named Wagner, and Grantland Rice says it is Honus playing under an as sumed pair or legs. - , Walter Eckersall calls for stricter enforcement of the penalties atrainst roughness in - football. The warning should more properly be directed toward the coaches and not the offl cials. ' The preservation of football de pends upon the actions of the players on tne iieio, togetner with gentlemanly actions off the. field on the part of the coaches. Lisle Johnston, former University of Minnesota lootDall star. Is dead at St. James, Minn., as a result of typhoid fever. He died on tha eve of the (treat sx-3 aiinnesoia-Wisconsin battle Sat urday. . . . . Carl Morris says there isn't much money In the fight game. Not for fighters like Carl. Buddy Ryan is sticking around San Francisco and is playing ball with some ol tne Southern barnstorming teams. Jack Atkin tried to get Arthur Dev lin to lead the Senators before he se cured Harry Woiverton. Devlin, he says, turned him down, figuring that ne naa a long lease leit in the maiors. It must have been a sad blow to Devlin when Boston turned him over to Roch ester. Needless to say, he was imme diately tickled to grab the Oakland managerial berth. o Harry Vardon, the British golfer, is worth upwards of $200,000, according to Portland friends. He told Harry Davis that he Intended to retire when he got back to England; . Bill Main, former football star, doesn't like English rugby. Bill lives at Bant a Barbara, and has seen the New Zealand All-Blacks la several guinea be played today on Multnoman- Field, and with the heavy field the Columbia team seems to have the advantage over the lighter opponents. The game Is slated to start at 8 o'clock. Light workouts were Indulged in by both teams last night, and both camps report their players to be In good con dition. . Philbin. Columbia's center. probably will start the game for the Peninsula team. The result of this game will have no bearings on the championship of the league, as both teams have been put out or the runnim by Drevious defeats. Roscoe Fawcett will referee, but the umpire and head linesman will be chosen at today's same. The lineup: Columbia. Position. Hill Military. Fhllbln C Timmerman Kelly .H O L .. Woodland O'Brien R T L.. Robinson Beufert ..........R B L. ......... Hinckley Kurtz ......L. Q It Dand Quinn ..1, T R... Calhoun Leonard X, 3 R. Forbei Phelan Q B Welch Nixon R H L Graham Mulrhead. Block, .t, H R McNeil Captain St. Marie F Captain Brlgsa xirae oi quarters, iz. lz. iz, 12. Englishmen Beat ' Taoomans. - TACOMA. Wash.. Nov. 4-Harry Var don and Edward Ray, the English golf professionals, today defeated James M Barnes, of Tacoma, and Robert John stone, of Seattle, in a best ball four some, two up and one to play. Vardon established a new course record In com petition in the afternoon round, mak ing a 67, par for the course being 73. Kelso Beats IUdgefield. KELSO, Wash.. Nov. 4. (Special.) The football game Saturday between the husky Rldgefield team and the Kelso High School boys was one of the best-played games of the season. The .Rldgefleld boys showed mettle and good training, but failed to score against the local team. Score, Kelso 9. Ridgefleld 0. Telegraphic Sporting Briefs A BILENE, Texas, Nov. 4. Rain caused cancellation of the ball game between the New York Giants and Chicago Whtte Sox here today.The teams left for El Paso this afternoon. Phoenixvllle. Pa. George R. Gay, of Blacklnton, Mass.. former star player of the Ursinus College team, died in a hospital here today from a broken neck suffered in a football game last Saturday. Topeka, Kan. The Washburn foot ball team was strengthened today when Dwight Ream, a freshman, joined the squad. Ream is considered the best all around athlete in the college. Princeton, N. J. The Princeton foot ball team was given real work today and had three-quarters of an hour of scrimmage against team B, which used the Harvard formations, and a half hour against the freshmen. Minneapolis, Minn. Coach Williams announced today that on one afternoon this we'ek there would be open practice by the Minnesota football team. Local interest in the team Is now centering around the contest between Russell Tollefson and Bee Lawter for the quarterback position in the game with Chicago, November 15. .Chicago Almost the entire second team at the University of Chicago will piay against Northwestern Saturday. Coach Stagg' said he would take no chance of injuring his varsity players, saving them for the crucial contest of his schedule the Minnesota game. New Haven Another big change was made in the makeup of the Yale varsity eleven at practice today, when Captain veicnam was snilted to right end. Way taking his place at guard. Fullback Wilson was sent in as Quarterback, and Dunn took his place. Martyng, who has Deen out or tne game with an Injured foot, played his old position at center. Cambridge There was jubilation in the Harvard football camp today when Eddie Mahan. the fast halfback, was discharged from the hospital and ap peared on the field in playing togs. It is expected he will be able to play against Princeton Saturday. . Lawrence, Kan The Kansas Univer sity squad went through a snappy prac tice on McCook Field this afternoon in preparation for the game with Wash- ourn. Tnrnvereln to Give Drill. The Portland Social Turnvereln classes will have their first visitors night on Thursday, when 135 members or the women s classes will give an exhibition of drilling and other work of the institution. This will be staged in tne new gymnasium. Cards of ad mission may be secured from Professor Oens, the instructor of the classes. Baseball at Banks Again. BANKS, Or., Nov. 3. (Special.) if.rtorts are oeing made to revive base ball enthusiasm here. Two years ago a park was laid out, but through some motion tne movement to make this a live basebail territory was abandoned. The children of the upper grades of the public "school now are playing the game and the principal, George Yates, is encouraging them. Boys Grateful to Grants Pass. GRANTS PASS. Or., Nov. 4. (Spe clal.) A Joint session of all the MADE to ORDER How About Your Clothes? Our Blue and Oxford Gray Cheviots and Serges at 25 and $30 Are Leaders. Satisfaction guaranteed In all cues. - Garments to order in a day if required Full dress and Tuxedo suits a specialty. tffSSJJAiV. JERRSMS SONS P. K. BOODY, Manager. 108 THIRD STREET TAILOR FOR YOUNG MEN. Cloth sold ty the yard If you are not a wearer of ready clothes, it's be cause you haven't yet been sold the right kind. Sometimes a man, tired of tape-line trouble and expense, and impressed with the well-dressed appearance of friends who do it on half the money he spends, tries ready clothes once, and sadly says, "never again." The trouble is, you haven't yet bought the right kind. Pay $25 for a suit or overcoat of our make; if you dont get more comfort, and more sense ofvalue received than from any other equal amount of clothes money, return it to the dealer arid get your money back. - We make suits and over coats also at $ 1 8 and $20; and up to $50. Hart SchafTner & Marx Good Clothes Makers SAM'L ROSENBLATT & CO. The Home of. "Hart Schaffner & Marx" Clothes. churches of the city was held at the Methodist Episcopal Church in honor of the boys' conference which has been in a three-days session here. A short session of the conference was held after the services and resolutions were of fered by the boys to the city express ing their neartfelt thanks for tho cor dial welcome they had received as the guests of the city. About B0 boys were present during the last two days of the Conference. It was voted that the next session of the Conference be held at Ashland. BETTER FAIR GROUNDS AIM President of State Board to Study ' . Plants In Other Cities. ROSEBURG, Or., Nov. 4. (Special.) J. H. Booth, president of the-Oregon Fair Board, who leaves on Thursday for a tour of Canada and the Kast, has announced that a number of substantial improvements are contemplated at the Oregon Fair Grounds during the next few years. Included in the proposed improve ments are the erection of a modern pavilion to cost not less than $60,000, reducing the present race track to a half-mile circuit, and the erection of sheds over the web of cement walks traversing the grounds. 'ie sheds will be something similar, so Mr. Booth says, to the train sheds maintained at the larger terminals of the United States. The trip Kast Is to be made for the purpose of inspecting the various fair grounds. Mr. Booth will visit Winni peg, Man., St. Paul, Chicago, Springfield. Indianapolis and Lincoln, Denver, Og- den and Salt Lake City. Schoel Wanted at Panama Fair. ALBANY. Or., Nov. 4. (Special.) A petition requesting th'e appointment of Ed Schoel, of Albany, as commissioner of poultry for Oregon at the Panama Pacific Exposition has been circulated throughout this part of the state and SEMI-BOSOM SHIRTS Are ideal for wear with' the high cut waistcoats now so much in favor. The cuffs have Arrow graduated cutout interlin mgs which prevent cracky $1.50 Up. CLUETT. PEA-BODY &. CO.. Imj.71 JN style, fit, finish and wearableness our $25 suits are the equal of any $35 suit you ever owned. Save the $10.00 TATLOHjS 244 Alder Street. Bet. Second and Taixd. If ' i tS: Have You Seen Have You Heard The Entertainers at the Cabaret Grill? If yon karrat, jca're missed something; good. No . prettier girl c bo better talent can be aeen or beard In - this man's town. Every one admits It who visits tbla place. In the grrlH on the aecond floor yea can sit at yonr case vrlne and dine on the best and enjoy It all. The crowd of all nation on the first floor. In plain MlKht. will par ticularly Intrrrat yon. Mo more unusual algrbt can bo aeen on the Pacific Coast. Yon are In vited to bring the ladles. Your party win be properly served and taken care of. Continuous Evening Entertainment From 7:30 to 12 at the Cabaret Grill Second and Burnside jiir oil II MERCHANTS LUNCH 35c From It to 2 o'clock With Sons and Manic Z22 yiiii 5 SJ has been widely signed. Schoel served for several years as superintendent of the poultry department of the Oregon State Fair. $30,000 Injury Damages Asked. MONTESANO. Wash., Nov. 4. (Spe- clal.) One of the most important cases Swiss Ribbed Union Suits Gentlemen lOU have comfort-difference in union suits until you compare the Vassar Swiss ribbed with any other union suit made. Try it; have your dealer lay an ordinary union suit full length on the counter and a Vassar Swiss rib beside it. Notice the shape first; one is cut-and-sewed, the other is knit-to-shape. One has bulky, rough seams, the other has selvage-edge seams. One has the sleeve and ankle cuffs sewed on, the other knit on. Vassar Swiss Underwear Co. Chicago Are You 14 . .. . t; 1 The New Clear Havana VALUE OF EACH BAND, iy2 CENTS jr- If""", ft-"-' ' ZEE r '1 VS "Has m: 322 v.! '9 3SL 1- S 4 3C 33j i 4?? V of the present term of Superior Court is a suit for $30,000 damages brought by M. C. Feezer against A. ID. Schaffer for personal injuries to Feezer's son. Schaffer is a wealthy logger of this county and as a result of running down Feezer's son with his auto the boy sustained injuries which made him a cripple for life, it is alleged. no idea of the Try it; the Vassar Swiss rib comfort is worth the difference in price. Saving Bands?