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TnB - MORNING- OREGONIAN, ; THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 1, 1906. REAL SECRET OF IE Nine-Tenths of Coolies Import- ,ed JlleaaJly. Under Contract. ' COMMISSIONER GETS FACTS Revival of Official Report on Immi gration of Japanese Shows Good Basis for raeiric Agitation . . '. ..'Agalhbt Coolies. OREGONIAN NEWS .BUREAU, Washington, Oct. 31. TiAs reopening of th? California schools- to Japanese children, if It should be brought about . through the influence oT president Roosevelt or by order of the courts, will not permanently solve the Japanese-problem. That is the honest opin ion of administration officials who have given careful study to tne agitation now In. progress on the Facinc Coast and in the Mikado's domain. It may have a -good-effect temporarily; It may check the anti-American agitation for the time belriK, but far-seeing men are convinced that trouble will break out anew at no distant day. If it is 'not the scnool question some other act on the part of the people of the Pacific Coast will give offense to the Japa nese, and then the present unpleasant ness will be repeated. PeoDle nf the East are utterly unable to understand the attitude of the West toward the Japanese. In this section of the United States the Japanese are looked upon with admiration, espe cially since the Russo-Japanese war. The East would preserve friendly re lations with Japan at any .cost and loudly condemns the people of tho Pa cific Coast for raising a race issue -against the Japanese. Eastern men ' cannot- bv mad ft to Understand why American citizens on tho Pacific Coast should object to having Japanese chil dren attend the public schools along withwhtle children. They - see no similarity between the situation on the coast and-the school situation at home, ' where negro children .are not allowed ' to enter classes with white children,' but are segregated In schools of their own. Xew IJglit From Old llqport. The East indorses the policy of Chi nese exclusion; it is convinced that Chinese coolies are undesirable citi zens. But the East has no idea that there is a similarity between the Japa nese Immigrants now flooding the Pa cific Coast and Kocky Mountain States and the Chinese who were flooding thai same region at the time the bars were put up. To the Eastern mind the Japanese Immigrant is every bit as desirable' as the German or the Irish. These people -never heard of and never read a report that was sent to Congress six years ago by the See retary of the Treasury, setting forth many salient facts regarding Japanese immigration-. That report , is. elng brought to light now for the first time, and will figure in the debates next session, - though U was overlooked at the time. In November, 1898, Immi gration Commissioner W. M. Rice was sent to Japan to learn something about Japanese comjng to the United States, and during three months spent in the islands he gathered facts that bear directly on the present situation and which explain, to a great extent, the anti-Japanese sentiment that prevails on the Pacific Coast. Coolies Are All Assisted. Mr. Rice states that 99 per cent of the Japanese immigrants to the United States belong to the coolie-class, and that 10 per cent of them come here in violation of the contract labor law,, and are enabled to violate this law by emigration companies which, if not controlled by the Japanese- govern ment, are at least sanctioned by. Its officials. He says that the Japanese government actually encourages peo ple of the coolie classes to emigrate, because the islands are already too densely populated, yet theoretically the Japanese passport law is ' drawn to prevent the emigration of any but representative citizens. This law, he says, is not honestly enforced. The emigration of Japanese coolies to the United States and other countries is encouraged by emigration . companies, which are authorized by law to assist emigrants abroad and agree to return them In case of sickness or indigence. These companies openly engage in fur nishing contract labor to such countries as permit It, and in other countries, as in the United States. - make such contracts through agents in this country as soon as the Japanese coolies have been admitted by the immigration authorities. For such services these companies receive, fees ranging from $5 to $10 per coolie. These companies have representatives all along the Pacific Coast, both in the United States and British Columbia, and these representatives co-operate with the home offices in Japan. The managers and stockholders in these emigrant companies are among the leading business men and politicians of Japan, and are a formidable power -when co-operating. " Glad to Get Rid of Tliein. Mr. Rice found these companies adver tising in the Japanese papers for con tract laborers for various countries, and, by circulars and traveling solicitors, they were advertising for emigrants to go to the United States. They are in collu sion .with the Japanese steamship -companies for their mutual benefit. The Japanese government theoretically encourages education, because a few years spent abroad not only afford op portunity to make and save money, but give Japanese subjects educational facili ties not afforded at home. The explana tion Is offered that Japan benefits in that her citizens, taken abroad by the emi grant companies, are returned by them at the end of two or three years, and take back newly-gained wealth and knowledge. "But if any number worth mentioning has been returned to Japan by the emigration companies. I have been unable to discover the fact," says Mr. Rice. But. admitting that the system may benefit Japan. Mr. Rice denies that it is any advantage to; other countries. He says it is a well-known fact that the difficulty experienced by the coolie class In obtaining passports suggested and.built up the emigration, companies. All lluve Verbal Agreement. - In probing around, Mr. Rice found that Japanese coolies sent to the United States have no written contract with the emi gration companies to perform certain la bor when they reach our shores, but "a verbal agreement is made with the la borers In Japan. If only ten or so are wanted." he adds, "the agent has a let ter of credit or the men are supplied with funds to land, and this money is afterwards returned to the agent. Should a much larger number of laborers be re quired, then they (the companies) send an appointed man connected with the agency to accompany them, he being a passenger to all Intents and purposes. mm LABOR After their arrival in the United States, the laborers sign a contract in accord ance with their verbal agreement made in Japan." Further along. Mr. Rice says: "I talked with many men of long ex perience In Japan and found but one uni versal opinion; that not 10 per cent of the emigrants leaving that country could or would go unless they had assistance, or were helied by some person or influ ence. The coolie class -could find no proper securities such as are required by the government, unless some arrange ment was provided by responsible parties for looking after this class of emigrants after they land'in the United States. Immigration Relieves Japan: "I am forced to the conclusion,'; he adds, "that the Japanese system of granting passports for a limited period, etc., joined with the aversion of organ ized capital and Influence of the emi gration companies, is the direct induc ing cause of 90 per cent of the emigra tion from Japan to the United States. "Whiles the Japanese government, de nies any responsibility or desire to. en-' courage emigration, the conditions which I find lead up to 'but one conclu sion. The emigration companies are indifferent to any consideration except that of profit, while the government permits the system, if it does not en courage it, in which it has a selfish in terest,, because it assists in relieving the country of a troublesome and what might become a turbulent population." The revival of Mr. Rice's report is apt to newly insult the Japanese peo ple, for his comments are more pointed than some of the remarks of John IX Rockefeller, which recently gave of fense. For instance, in discoursing on the Japanese as a people, Mr. Rice says: "One of the most serious blemishes on the National character is lack of business Integrity and disregard for the truth, which, it is claimed by Euro peans, prevails among all classes. An eminent professor in the University of Tokio, referring to the habitual indul gence In falsehood by Japanese people, said: ' 'The Japanese idea of truth is like their idea of punctuality. - They admit the desirability of punctuality, but, if one is behind time, they say, what is the use of making a fuss about it? They respect a man who tells the truth, but they say one cannot always tell the truth, and what of it? It is a de sirable thing, but not always prac ticable.' "The result' of such a View of veraci ty is that individually, with excep tions, they cannot be .trusted when they have interests involved." There is much more of the same char acter. But, if the facts are as stated by Commissioner Rice, and he was a sworn official, ot this Government at the time he made his investigations and reports, there is much in his findings' to explain why the Japanese immi-. grants are not well received in the West. According to Mr. Rice, 99 per cent of them are of a type not wanted at home, and, if they are an-undeslr-able class among their own people, how much more undesirable they must be among a race that is entirely different in manners and customs. If Japan is glad to be rid of her coolie classes, as Mr. Rice declares, the people of the Pacific Coast are justified by his report in objecting to intimate association, with these people. The Rice report is a strong defense of the Americans liv ing west of the Rocky Mountains. Metcalf Ready for Wot k. OAKLAND, Oct. 31. Secretary Victor H. Metcalf of the Department of Com merce and Labor, arrived in Oakland from Washington tonight and will remain here with relatives until tomorrow, when he will proceed to San Francisco to begin his inquiry into the action of the San Francisco Board of Education in exclud ing Japanese and other Orientals from the regular -schools and assigning them to a school set apart for the t-hildren of yel low races. To an Associated Press cor respondent Mr. Metcalf said: "I am not at liberty to talk concerning my mission on the Coast, except to say that the Administration considers this subject one of the gravest importance. Certainly 1 should not have been sent here to investigate and report were It not so considered. Our treaty with Japan guarantees to that nation the same con sideration and immunities that are guar anteed to the most-favored nations, hence the desire at Washington to learn offi cially everything that has been done in San Francisco. I cannot say just what methods I will pursue in conducting my investigations. I shall probably establish headquarters in San Francisco. As soon as. my work Is -completed I shall return Immediately to Washington." CAREER OF MRS. MARY BAKER G. EDDY From Small Beginnings Christian Science Church Founded by Her Has Grown to Have Following of Million Mrs. Mary Baker G. Edd,y is In many respects one of the world's most re markable women. During the compara tively few years of her. active career she has founded the Christian Science cult, and has directed its growth into every part of America, until it now has a place among the creeds, and -a following that numbers into the millions. That Mrs. Eddv is broken down in health, there can be little surprise when It is taken into consideration that she Is now well along towards 76 years of age. and has led a most active career during fully half of that time. The founding ot cnrisuan science aates back to 1867. when she opened lier first school of science at Lynn, Mass. She hart just one student at the time. In 1S81, however, her beliefs had spread, and she' established the Massachusetts Meta physical College at Boston. During the next seven years 4000 students were taught in this institution and by Mrs. Eddy. ' ' In the meantime. In 1875, her famous book "Science and Health, With a. Key to the Scriptures." was published, and this was the foundation of Christian Sci ence. It has since gone into many edi tions, and millions of copies have been sold. The cheaper; editions come at $3 per cony and the better books at $3 and $6 apiece, so that the enormous proceeds coming from this book are apparent. After opening the Metaphysical College at Boston, Mrs. Eddy became active with other branches of growth. She organ ized the first established Church of Christ. Scientist, and later erected one of the handsomest edifices in the coun try.' She also became president of the First Christian Science Association, edi tor and publisher of her own works and publisher of the Christian Science Jour nal. In 1S91 she closed down the college for the purpose of revising her book, "Science and Health," and when in 1S99 she reopened the school again it was as an auxiliary of her church. In girlhood. Mrs. Eddy was a Congre- gationalisL She was studious, and some of her early writings, while accredited with being of no power or importance, pointed to the work that was to come later. She has been twice married, first to Colonel George W. Glover and later to Asa G. Eddy. She was born In New England, and has always resided there. While many of her active days were spent in Boston, her declining years have been devoted largely to Pleasant View, her beautiful home on the outskirts of Concord. N. H. She seldom appears in public, and little of her personal side is revealed even to her staunchest follow ers. Her daily drive at 2 P. M has been a practice for years, rain or shine, or else she has been impersonated on these drives (as is claimed by New York skep tics and denied by Mrs. Eddy), for the purpose of giving out the impression that she was in good health. The story of how she first discovered the system of so-called divine healing is an interesting one. and is told by a RAINBOW Amundsen's Sailors Get No English Reward. OFFER LATELY WITHDRAWN Spurred on to Kndure Hardship In Discovering Northwest Passage by Hope of 9100,000 Prize From -John Bull. CHICAGO. Oct. 31. (Special.) Anton Lund. Ole Noss. U. Hansen, R. Ristnedt and K. H. Ilndsom have sailed, for years In the Polar reas. but the Arctics never j had such a frost as . they received from the British government today. The quin ' tet are members of the crew of Captain Amundsen, the Norwegian who discovered the magnetic pole and navigated the Nortbest Passage after 300 years of fail ures by other explorers. They arrived In Chicago on their way home to Norway today. Captain Amundsen will be here later in the week. Eighty years ago England offered $100, 000 to the first explorer to navigate tiie Northwest Passage. Amundsen had long been Interested in the magnetic pole, and resolved to go after that, the Northwest Passage aif the $100,000 all at once.- He pledged a "goodly share of the prize .money to each member of the crew, -and, spurred by the hope of a quiet home and a life of plenty through England's liber ality, the crew worked as no crew of explorers ever wnrked before. They were nearly drownd and-frozen scores of times, sacrificed most of their food supplies that they might travel faster, and then starved. They found the magnetic pole and they navigated the Northwest Pas sage. that the $100,000 prize had been with-'1 drawn, and that they will get nothing. ELEVATORS IN A COMBINE Evidence Will Be Laid. Before Chi- : cago Grand Jury. -,. -CHICAGO. Oct. 31. Evidence tending to show that the leading grain elevator com panies of Chicago are in an illegal com bination for the purpose of controlling the. grain warehouse business has been submitted to States Attorney Healy by (John Holt, Jr., with the request that it be laid before the next grand jury. The principal evidence submitted is a copy of an agreement between the ele vator companies,-' which, it is claimed, shows, them to . have been guilty of the acts in restraint of trade in that a certain percentage of the earnings of the ware houses were pooled. The agreement is the same one that was introduced at the re cent hearings before the Interstate Com merce Commission. A "blacklist." it was claimed was kept, affecting the owners of elevators, not in the combine. WILL NOT CANCEL OPENING Hitchcock Finds Law Not .Violated by Walker Lake' SOoners." ' - WASHINGTON. Oct. 31. Further re ports from agents of the Interior De partment who superintended the open ing Monday of the Walker Lake Indian reservation in Nevada, have convinced Secretary Hitchcock that the infrac tions of the regulations governing the opening were not serious enough to warrant a recommendation for invali dating it. This decision is considered fortunate by officials of the Land Office, the law officers having expressed the opinion that, regardless of the action of the "sooners" in crossing the line before the signal, the act of Congress order ing that the reservation be thrown : -"v: ' - ."- A 'i ' 1 PORTRAIT OF MRS. MARY BAKER G. EDDY. PAINTED BI MRS. MARY MOUSE GREENE. chronicler of Mrs. Eddy's life as follows: "In 1866, while living in Lynn, Mass., Mrs. Eddy (then Mrs. Glover) met with a severe accident, and her case was pro nounced hopeless by the physicians. There came a Sunday morning when her pastor came to her to bid her good-bye before proceeding to his Sunday's serv ice, as there was no probability that she, would be alive at its close. During this time she suddenly became aware of a divine illumination and ministration. She requested those with her to withdraw. dim n.-iuv;Laiuij mey am o, Deiieviiig ncr. delirious. Soon, to their bewilderment and open to settlement had not been vio lated. That act did not prescribe that persons should not enter the reserva tion in advance of the signal, and there is no law under which such persons may be punished.. If authority had been given the Interior Department, it is said that Commissioner Richardson "would have provided for registration, as was done in August, when the' Sho shone reservation was opened. Special I.and Agent Parks has report ed from Hawthorne that there has been less complaint than he had expected, and that already a town of 2000 popu lation, with restaurants, gambling houses and saloons, has been estab lished at the" mouth of Dutchman's Creek. - - - ' FUNERAL OF A PIONEER A. Foster Johnson Will Be Burled at Wood I) urn This Afternoon. Funeral services of A. Foster Johnson will be held at Woodburn this afternoon at 2 o'clock. Mr. Johnson, who was well known throughout the state, died from a stroke of apoplexy Tuesday at his home in Hurlburt, Multnomah County. Mr. Johnson was a veteran of the Indian wars and during the Civil War, served as an agent of the secret service bureau. He was a member of the M, A. Ross Post, G. A. R., of Gresham. At one time he was a reporter on The Oregonian. NEGRO GUILTY OF MURDER First Conviction for Murder of Po liceman at Atlanta. ATLANTA, Ga., Oct. 31. Alexander Walker, the Brownsville negro on trial for the murder of County Policeman J. L. Heard, was found guilty today, with a recommendation to mercy, and was sen tenced to life imprisonment. A motion for a new -trial was immediately filed by his attorney. Walker was indicted with 58 other ne groes for the murder of Heard during the September riots here, his case being the first to be tried. Cushman Speaks at Hoquiam. - HOQUIA.M, Wash.-, Oct. 31-(Spe-cial:) -A crowded house greeted Con gressman Francis V. Cushman tpnight when he addressed the people of this city on the issues of the campaign. The rally was a success, many local Repub licans making speeches. After the meeting a banquet was given at the New York Hotel in honor of Mr. Cush man. Policeman Innocent of Crime. CHICAGO. Oct. 31. Police Inspector Pat rick J. Levin was today declared not guilty by the Civil Service Commission of charges brought against him by Chief of Police Collins. It was alleged that the Inspector had connived at a burglary and bad afterward arrested the thieves in or der to make a showing of efficiency to aid him in securing promotion. fright, she walked nfo the adjoining room. 'They thought I had dle'd and it was my apparition she said. "From that hour dated her conviction of the principle of divine healing, and that It is as true today as in the days when Jesus of Nazareth walked the earth. 4I felt the spirit had wrought a miracle." she said In reference to this experi ence. 'How, I could not tell, but later I found It to be in perfect scientific accord with the divine law.' From 1866 to 1869 Mrs. Eddy withdrew from the world to meditate, to pray and to search the Scripture." " -: - " ; i N. ' - A. Foster Johnson. J LIKE CORNERED RAT Mexican Lothario Kills Wife, Paramour and Self. MAKES RESTAURANT FORT Desperate Battle Follows Murder of Wife, Who Discovers His In- -fidelity Hose Turned on Crowd of Spectators. EL PASO, Tex., Oct. 31. Three bodies are in the morgue and two wounded per sons In a hospital as the result of a mur der here this afternoon." followed by an exchange, of shots between the murderer and policemen. Nuel Rodriguez killed his wife when she returned home and found him in company with another woman. Rodriguez and Chana Ramiera, the wom an with "him, were killed. C1ty: Detective George Hargold and jack Glover, a negro, were wounded In the fight that ensued. The fire department was called out and dispersed the excited crowd that had col lected by pouring water on it from a hose. After shooting his wife, Rodriguez, who was a restaurant-keeper, barricaded him self in his place Of business, and when the officers arrived he met them with a volley from a magazine revolver. The en tire police force was summoned and a number of citizens joined in the fight against Rodriguez. After a fierce battle or nearly an hour, the police succeeded in entering, the building. Rodriguez was found dead. Jack Glover, the negro boy who was wounded, was shot through the body 'by a. stray bullet while' walking on anqther street,- 50 yards from the scene of the shooting. He cannot recover. It Is be lieved that several hundred shots were fired before the officers finally attempted to gain entrance to the restaurant. EFFECT FELT IN ORIENT Xew Rate Bill Cuts Off Transporta tion From Insular Employes. MANILA, Nov. 1. The Government is feeling the effect of tlie new interstate rate law enacted by the last Congress. The Great Northern Railway Company has notified tho Insular officials that It can no longer transport Government employes at contract pricesM. east of Taeoma and Seattle. The Government contract with all the railroad and steamship lines pro vides for the transportation of .officers and Government employes from Manila to San Francisco at the rate of $12o each, to Denver $145, to Chicago $165, and to the Atlantic Coast for $175. The Great Northern now quotes a rate of $155 from Manila to Tacoma and full railroad rates east from there. Missionaries and workers in the Young Men's Christian Association are protesting against the War Depart ment's ruling forbidding them trans portation on the Army" transports. This ruling is based on the last Army ap propriation bill. WALKER LAKE SHOOTING Charles Davis, Prospector, Is ' Wounded by a Claim-Jumper. HAWTHORNE. Nev., Oct. 31. Charles Davis; a prospector- .from Goldfielu, was badly wounded at Cottonwood Creek today in the first seriois shooting affray that has occurred since the opening of therj Walker Lake Indian reservation. Davis was wounded while working his claim by a man known as "Spike" Lalmer, who made his escape to the hills, where he is now being sought by officers. Davis, who was shot in the thigh, said that Latimer approached him with a re volver and ordered him to give up his claim. While making an .effort to reach his own revolver. Davis was shot. It is believed that he will recover. New towns at Cottonwood and Dutchman are growing by leaps and bounds. In addition to various kinds of stores there are three saloons and gambling places which are running at lull blast. KILLS CHRISTIAN SCIENTIST Xews of Mrs. Eddy's Illness Hastens Tacoma Woman's Death. TACOMA. Wash.. Oct. 31. (Special.) After the newspaper accounts of the con dlton of Mrs. Mary Baker Eddy, founder of the Christian Science Church, had been read to her, Mrs. Frances E, Jewell, a Christian Scientist of Tacoma. died sud denly from apoplexy yesterday evening. It was reported to the Coroner that the woman had had no medical attention, although she had been ill for some time. It is for this reason that the Coroner in tends holding an inquest. The husband of the womap stated today that his wife had had medical treatment up to about nine months ago. He admit ted, however, that recently a Christian Scientist practitioner from Seattle had attended her. 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