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PAGE SIX THE DAILY CAPITAL JOURNAL. SALEM. OREGON, TUESDAY, AUGUST 19, 1919. Most ' READJUSTMENT (Continued, from pajo one) .Senator Lodge brought out fads con corning the manner in which tho cove--mint was drafted.. President . Wilson uid that t lie final draft was made froui tho Ainerii'im and British plans, mid that his previous statement that the Smuts plan had beeli the basis of the covenant was probably somewhat , misleading. ' ' t'ttome months ibcforo the confer ence! assembled plan for the, league of uutlous had been drawn up by a British committee attho head of which was Mr. tl'hillimore 1 believe tho Mr. JMiilliiiiiirft who was known as the au thority on international, law. A cop of that document was sent to mo, and built upon that a redraft, 1 will nutslu)uld claim nothing on those general now sav whether J thought lit was bet ter or not nn Improvement) but l Ibuilt on that a draft which was quite differ ent, inasmuch as it put deftnitencse of which there had been what seemed in defiiiiteness in the I'hillimoro sugges tion. Then between that time and the time of the formiilion of the commis sion of the leuguo of nations, I hud the advantage of swing a paper Iby General Smuts, of Mouth Africa, who soeiued to mo to have done some very clear thinking, 'jmrtfu'iilarly with re gard to what was to bo done with the pieces- of the dismenibere.it empires. After t got to l'aris, therefore, I re wrote; the document to which I have alluded and .you may have noticed It consists of a series of articles, and then supplementary agreement. It was in the supplementary agreement that I embodied the additional ideas that hud some to me not only from Oeueral Smuts' paper, bu, from general discus sions. That is the full story of how the plan which I sent to the committee was ouilt up." . Loilgoj,"Then, of course, it is obvi ous thut the General Hiiiuts pluu had been used, That appears on the face of tlie document." The 'iresiilciit: " Vos." Lodge: "Then there was a previous draft in addition to the one you have sent to ua. You hpoU.e of a redraft. That wu not submitted -to the com inn lee. ' 'resident: "No, that was private, iny own. ' Lndge: "Was it ,oofro our voiuinis nion " (I'ouce commission.) President i "No: it was not before our coininiHHiiiu. " -j Lodge: "The one that was sent to us wis a redraft Of IhnH" . President; ", jos.". ... ...Tmilgoi "I was about to ask iboot nruelo X, as tlio essence of at appear ia the article of the draft which you Ki-ii I whether that was iu tho British I'Ihn, the Hmots plun, or iln wther jilnus. Of course. If there are'iio drafts of these other plans we cannot get President: "1 am very sorry sena tor, I thought t had them, but have not." . IjoiIw: "Mr. T.nnssiig, the secretary of state, testified .before us the other duv that he had prepared a set of res elation' revering the points in the Better Tires on the Market Try a Firestone OTORISTS iew conception of tire satisfaction from the Gray Side- wall Firestone Tires that are v producing such remarkable mileage. If you have never tried one, do so at once. . Good dealers are handling these tires everywhere. TIRE Miles . per .Dollar " MMMMflWHI - kHUaWi! Ht..Jill illl llillilllllllMIIIBi league which were submitted to the i.inoricun commission. You saw that draft t" 'resident: " Yes." . Lodige: "No specific action was tn.lt en upon - thorn t" ' ! iProsideut: "Not in a -formal way." Lodgo then said he desired to ask 'purely for information" whether the United States was to receive nay part of the reparation fund in the luimls of the reparation commission, 'resident: "I left that question open, Hmiaor, ibecnuse I did not feel I had any fnuuriglit to decide it. Upon tho basis that was set up in the repa ration clauses the portion that tho United Htates would receive woulTl ibe very small at best and .my own judg ment was frequently expressed, not as a decision but as judgment that' we clauses. I did that because. 1 coveted tho moral advantage that would give us iu the councils of tho world." (senator Mct'umber: "Did thai mean that we would claim nothing for the sinking of the Lusitnniii " President: "Oh, no. That did not cover questions of ithnt sort at all." Lodge: "Going on to another ques tion, as 1 understand the treaty, the overseas possessions of the Hermans ars all made over to the five principal allies and associated powers, who ap parently as far as (the treaty goe, huve power to make disposition of Ihom, r suppose iby mandate or other wise. Among those oversells possessions are the Ladrone Islands, except Guam, tho Carolines and, think, the Mar shall Islnnd. Has there been any recom-' mondation made by our nnval authori ties an regard, to the importance of our having one island there, not for terri torial purposes, but 'for naval pur poses " 'resident: "There was a paper on that subject, senator, which has been published. It was a paper laying out tho general necessities of out naval policy in the Pacific, and the necessity of having some 1hh of euiiiinuiiiciition upon those islands mentioned. lint Jot me say this there is a little islnnd, kvhich I must admit 1 had not heard of before." Senator Williams: "The Island of Vap " President: "Yap, It is one of the bases and centers of radio and cable communication of the Pncifie, uud 1 inailo tho point that the disposition or rather the control of that island should bo reserved for the general con ference which is ;to be held in regard to tho ownership and operation of the cables. That subject i mentioned and disposed of iu this treaty and that Heneral cable eonfereiMe i to be held" Lodge: "1 had understood, or t had hoard the report that our general board nt the mm- department had recom mended that we should have a footing there, primarily in order to secure ca ble eouimmiications. " .President: "I think you are right, sir. Senator Lodge then .brought un the matter of the secret treaty lietween Great Britain and Japan regarding ShanfBng, whereby it was agreed that r.ugland should have the Pacific is Gray Sidewall have gained a lands south of the equator and Japan those north of the equator. He asked if this treaty would interfere with our right to a cable station there. The president said he thought not, sinco there had been a " prolonged dis cussion of the subject and nobody has any doubt as to what was agree upon Senator Borah brought up the mat ter of the withdrawal clause iu the league covenant. "Who," he asked, "passes upon the question of the fulfillment of our in ternational obligations" "Nobody," said the preshlent. Borah: "olea the council have any lhing'4o aay abut itf " (President : "Nothing whatever." Borah: "Then df a country should give notice of withdrawal, It would be sole judge of whether or not it had fulfilled its - international obligations, its eovenamts to tho league!" President: "That is as I understand it, The only restraining influence would be the public opinion of the. world." Lodge: "And as understand, of course, you are expressing the view which was entertained by the commis sion which drew the league!" "I am confident," the president re plied, "that that was the view." The Shantung question came in for long discufion, Keuator Johnson tak lii" a leading part in the questioning. The agreement givcu by the Japanese was again gone into toy the president, lie declared unqualifiedly that he had every confidence Japan would live up to tno -agreement. After Senator MoOumber had ob tained from the .president a description of how the big five conferred each day in I'nris, tUiug-.tiieiii wUlun twenty four hours a record of each such con ference was distributed to each of the conferees, McOutuber asked: 'Where are those records kept now!' "They are iu l'arisi sir," said the president. "Is there any objection to their be intf produced for .the conuuittecf " ask ed Met'.umher. "I think there is a Very serious ob jection, senator. Tho reason we consti tuted that very small 4 conference was that we could speak with the utmost absence, of restraint ifnd I think it would be a Mistake to make use of those discussions Outside, I do not re member anv blazing indiscretion of my own, but there may be some," iSeuator Moses asked if those rec ords again were to be deposited any where as n matter of public record. The president said certain grave dis advantages, would lie involved iu mak ing such a deposit, Moses asked how, with out such a depository, the engagement of Japan regarding Shantung could be enforc ed. , "There would be as many copies as there were members of the conference in existence much longer than the time Within which we shall 'learn whether or not Japan will fill her obligations," sn'td the president. "I should deem it iny duty I cannot speak taf the oth ersto leave those papers where they could he made aiveisille, " , Under questioning by Senator John- House Passes Repeal Of Daylight Saying Over Veto Washington, Aug. 19. The re peal of the daylight saving law was passed today by the house over the veto of President Wil son. The vote to override the veto was 223 to 101. . . . - sou, the president pointedly said lie was notif ied in Paris that the, Japa nese had been instructed hot to sign withaut Khantung. Secretary Lansings testimony, in which Lansing said he did not believe Japan would have re fused to sign was read to the presi dent but he replied his conclusion was different. The president said he agreed to the Bhantung settlement as it' stands because he believed that it was the best that could be obtained. , Senators Borah, Lodge and MuCnm ber questioned the president in con siderable detail concerning the effect of reservations. Tho president was ask ed whether the other nations-could not accept the reservations simply by kejp ina silent with regard to them. He re plied that it would take months for the United States to learn whether their siience jneajit acquiescence or rot. Ho stated it as his opinion that affirmative action would be absolute ly necessary by the other nations on reservations. - - Senator Lodge stated that it was his impression, that under - international law silence would constitute accept ance of the reservations. The president renlied that there was a difference of opinion among! experts about that. ' Senator Pitt-man, Xevaoa, asked if the president knew whether Germany put the same interpretation upon the doubtful clauses of the covenant - as tho nllied governments and the Unit States. Tho president'said he had no means of knowing, -t pointed out that if any dispute should arise in fu ture years over reservations accepted by silence, Germany could: claim that they constituted new .matter in the treaty to which he had never agreed. Following the reading-of'hia prepar ed statemeut, the president remarked: "I thought that the simplest way, Mr. Chairman, to cover the points that I know to be of interest." To this Berlator Lodgo replied: Other Treaties Held Up "Mr. "resident, so far as 1 am per sonally concerned and I think 1 rep resent perhaps,, the majority of the committee in that respect we have no thought of entering upon argument ts to intf ipretatior.or points of that char acter, but the committee was very de sirous of gettin.g information on cer tain points which seemed not clear, and on which they"' thought information would be of value in consideration of the treaty, which, they, I think. I may say for myself and others, desire to hasten in every possible way. ,"'Your reference to necessity of .ac tion leads me to nsk one question. If we hnvo to rest-ore peace in tho world, it is necessaryy I assume, that there should be treaties with Austria, Hun gary, Turkey mid Bulgaria. . Those treaties are all more or less connected with the treaty with Germany. . "Tho question 1 should like to ask, is, what is the prospect of our receiv ing those treaties for action!" ."I think it is very good, sir," re plied the president. "And sofar as I can judge from the contents of dis patches from my colleagues on the other side of the water, the chief de lay is due to the uncertainty as to what is going to happen to this treaty. This treaty is a morHd' of the others. I saw enough of the others .before I left Paris to know that they are being framed upon tho same set of principles and that the treatywith Germany is the model. I think that is the chief ele ment of delay, sir." , Lodgo: "They are not regarded as essential to the consideration, of this treaty!" Tho president: "They are not re garded as such,, no, sir. They follow this treaty.' Lodge: "I do not know about the other treaties, but the treaty with Po land, for example, has been completed!"- The president: "Yes, and signed; but it is dependent upon this treaty. My thought was to submit it upon th action on this treaty. Senator Lodge then asked concern ing the manner in which the Amoricau plan o fthe league was drafted. Other Draft unavailable. . Lodgo inquired if it would be possiblo to see drafts submitted by Great Bri tain, France and Italy. The president replied that he would have sent them to tho committee with pleasure, if he had found that he had them. The president: "Tho British draft was the only one, as I remember, that was in the form of a definite constitu tion of a league. Tho French and Itn-1-inu drafts were in the form of a series of propositions laying down general rules and assuming' that the commission would build upon those principles, if they were adopted I remember saying to the committee when I was here in March I have forgotten the expression that t used but it, was' something to the ft- feet that the British draft had consti tuted the basis. X thought afterward that that was misleading, and I am very glad to tell the coiuiuitto just what I mount. " The president declared that the Uni ted States can interpret for itself moral obligations under the ler.gne covenant sui-h as the use of force under Article X. . i U. , S. May Get Island. Senator Lodge asked what the pros pects are for getting the other treaties now being drawn up n Paris. The president snid the prospects are very good and that the delay in com peting them is due to the uncertainty about what is going, to happen to the German treaty. He said it is the model upon which all the others ar based. , Lodge then inquired whether the United' States would get any of the Pa cific islands take from Germany for use by the navy. . , The president stated tha following the recommendation by the generr.l board of the navy, the disposition of Finest Burfey Tobacco MelIow-age6 till perfect Plus a dash of Chocolate The certain islands had been left open so that the United Sttnes may get a foot ing on one of them for a radio and cable station. The president agreed with Lodge that the United States should have such, i; footing. The president sta ted that Japan's secret agreement with Great Britain for the disposal of Shan tung and Germany's Pacific islands would not interfere with the United States getting an island in the Pacific. Commissions And Boards Discussed By Governors Salt' Lnkp fltv. TTtnh Aim in state administrnil VA hnnrrin nml pnvn. missions the subject of many a bitter fight in legislatures throughout the na tion this year came up for considera tion tlltS mOrilillir ftt tho fivat hnainnea session of the annual convention of the ! governors of the various states. I Executives of several states where there has been a consolidation of state1 fif-rvu rphu .i vi tt.ittv trinntr., " v- - It's GREATl The New "TEA-FOIL" Package It' oft and pliable decreases in size as the tobacco is used tobacco does not cake in the package no digging it out with the finger. Keeps the tobacco in even better . condition than tin. Now, don't you to yourself to buy a package and 4 ' give Tuxedo a trial? Not quite as I much tobacco as in the tin, but A l lour La 4v Vs7w' Perfect Tobacco For Pipe and Cigarette ) . Guaranteed by Shi STHt&rt&Ui, co . INeOR'OKATtO boards and bureaus, expressed differ ent opinions as to whether such con solidations really effected economies, lor allowed loopholes for. wastes. State i budget questions were also informally I discussed at the m'eetiug which was I held this morning. A visit to the Great Salt Lake and 'dinner at Saltair ai'e events which Ihave been arranged for this afternoon and evening. The governors will be in session un til Saturday evening. . , ' BOUND COAST - , LEAGUE BASES (By United Press.) Yesterday 's winners: Vernon, Los Angeles. Lyle Bigbee allowed Jhe Tigers ten hits. However, he walked ten, and lost n- t-,.-tzZI. ,,-. . di r.uiiin ui inn.MMi mbkix BLIGH TONIGHT owe it I D w W Nose Knows for Seattle, 12 to 2. The league leaders further clincaoJ last week's series by defeating the Bees i to 2 despite the latter 's shifts in line up. - C'urlcy Brown of the Angels is again topping the Coast league pitchers. Gould Salt Lake throwsmith is just five points behind him. , Jacques Foiirnier will ploy with the Aagels again today. A $o0 figures in Lis comeback after a recent scrap on the field. Chicago. Po'ice answered a . riot alarm from the black belt. "It ain't stinted yit, boss,' 'announced -a portly colored woman, but it will if my ole man don't gimmie some money." Chicago. Walter G. Storms, t raffia officer, wanted to be a "reeular" cnn. So on his way to the examination, B picked up four automobile bandits. . UAYS EMiAGEXTKNT AT TW