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CIRCULATION IS OVER 4000 DAILY FULL LEASED WIRE DISPATCHES : o- THIRTY-NINTH YEA -NO. 268 SALEM, OREGON, WEDNESDAY, DECEMBER, 13, 1916 PRICE TWO CENTS ON TRAINS AMD NW P VLk- P P I I B f in I ! I mlA Fjfk pmrk&,i,E,l I n rWaBaMTinBM B I HL V. A 9 ...Mai "IF HER HAND IS REFUSED HER FIST WILL BE FELT" British People's Answer to Peace Proposals On Basis Named by Germany, Is "No" German Press a Unit in Declaring It Is Germany's Last Offer and That Blame for Continuance of War Will lie at the Allies' Door By Ed L. Keen, (United Press Staff Correspondent) London, Dec. 13.---The British people have already answered Germany's offer of peace "no, not on such a basis as proposed." That answer was perfectly apparent today. It was re flected not only in the newspaper comment, but in ex pressions from the people on the streets. The nation looks to Lloyd-George next Tuesday to frame this answer. It cannot be a direct reply, since it is hardly expected England's consultation with her allies over what form the diplomatic answer shall be, can be concluded that soon. But Tuesday will be Lloyd-George's first appearance as premier before the public and before news of the German proposal came he had been an nounced as ready to outline on that date the aims and pur poses of the new cabinet. Press and public alike look to Lloyd-George on this occasion to voice the nation's rejection of any peace which is based on Germany's idea of her victory. Germany's peace views, as given out by a German em bassy official in Washington, were generally regarded as preposterous and unworthy of serious consideration here. Lloyd-George's telegram to Premier Briand of France, together with the former's recent interview granted the United Press, portions of which were liberally reproduced in the British pess today, were considered indicative of Britain's attitude toward Von Bethmann-Hollweg. The only keynote of difference observable in editorial comment today was whether the allies, in their reply to the German note should set forth their own terms upon v hich peace discussion would be considered. If the practical unanimity of opinion of the press and public means anything, the reply will be rejected. Press comment ranged all the way from the Daily Mail's suggestion that (Von Bethmnnn-Hollweg is "no more en titled to the courtesy of a reply than tin armed burglar in a private house' t that made by the Manchester Guard ian, that negotiations should at least go as far as to ascertain German's exact .terms. A number of newspapers point out the desirability, in view of the manner in which Germany made her offer, that the allies in replying, clearly enunciate their own aims in the war, for the ben efit of the world's opinion; that the teems on which the allies are willing to filter pence negotiations be clearly set forth. Such comment holds that only in this way can responsibility for the con tinuance of the war which responsibil ity Germany obviously seeks to place Upon the allies be turned upon the cen ttrol powers. Among numerous1 interviews with public men gathered by the London press there is only one advocating ac e ntnnee of Germany's proposition and immediate entrance into negotiations. That is the opinion voiced by Philip Bnowdea, the empire's leading pacifist v. ho considers that the allies will incur ni" ful responsibility if they decline. It is at least their duty, he. "holds, to nee wh ether the German proposals contain the possibility of ending the war on con ditions, reasonable, and. as far as pos sible, satisfactory to everybody. rherB was considerable opinion that "Tber' haint notliin' as disappointin ' t(ielayg as catehin' up with a pretty jrifl an' findin' out she's sr. olt wo hum," said Lafe Bud t'day. Some folks fire great aviators when it comes t' git tic ' up in ther oivu estimations. the note was merely a "clever Teutonic trick" for the purpose of starting dis cussion among the a'lies and possibly thus to create dissension. German Press Comment. I Berlin, Dec. 13. If Germany's bid ! for peace is rejected by the entente powers, it is-certain the central empires will not take the initiative again to end I the war. 1 The public, today voiced complete ap probation of the imperial chancellor's 'solemn warning in the reichstag yester jday that if Germany's enemies continue the war it is because they have conquest : in mind. Such a belief imbues the gen eral public with an inflexible determin ation to fight on to the bitter end against any dismemberment ot the fath erland. The hopes of the German people are whole hearted, but if the present pro posal is scorned the rejection of the plan for a discussion of terms wou'd serve to cement the empire more fully ,in its determination, and to dispel peace j talk, and speculation which has been 'current. y Berlin newspapers were not sanguine i today that the peace offer would be ue ctpted, although applauding the chan cellor's steps. The comment of Editor Theodore Wolff of the Tageblatt, is typ. ical: "If the. opposing governments should decline the peace overtures or disclaim I tb'm as a sign of weakness and suffer ing mo people win once more ask them selves whether they are not being driv en senselessly and without urgent need to new sacrifices and renewed mas sacers. "The German people, if their oppon ents answer In the negative, will see clearly it is their duty to bear ffie heavy burden, or heavier burdens, so long as there is no possibility of agreeing upon an acceptable and sensible peace."' Die Post warns the entente "if Ger many's hand is refused, her fist will soon be felt with increased force." The editorial also suggests that Ger many's own peace offers indicate there is no necessity of neutral nations' of fers of peace. Not Asking for Peace By Carl W. Ackerman (ITnited Press staff correspondent) Berlin. Dec. IS. Germany has not asked neutral powers to start peace ne gotiations, ine American embassy s understanding is that she has merely asked' neutral powers to inform the na tions of the entente that the central powers are willing to discuss peace putting up to the allies the acquiescence or refusal of the tender. The diplomatic corps here generally considers the German move a master stroke. Secretary Grew of the American em bassy personally tyed a translation ot the note, of which he received two copies, one written in French. The As (Continued on page two.) Game Wardens Killed Bodies Found In Boat Stockton, Cal., Dec. 13. Richard .1. Squire of Lodi and Kay .1. Ileacoek, deputy fish and game wardcus, were murdered, supposedly by Greek fisher men, last night on Gouldin Island. The body of Squire was found, rid dled with bullets, in the bottom of his launch during the night by Walter and Frank Tinsloy, also fishermen. The WTdy of Heacock is missing. Squire has been n deputy game ward en for a number of years. During late years he has been very vigorous in en forcing the law against using illegal fishing methods in the delta districts, lie had made many arrests for using illegal nets, catching under size fish, etc., and had incurred the bitter en mitv of law violators in that district. T Yet Running Through All Is the Doubt of Peace Being Arranged The bulk of editorial opinion of Am erienn newspapers today seonn to be that peace may have been brought near er by Germany's proposals, lint that muny things stand in the way of an early ending of the war. Generally, ed itorial comment expresses the belief that the peace proposal will not be ac ceptable to the allies. Financiers and publicists who today analyzed the situation revealed a di vision of opinion, a majority declaring peace la brought nearer but is not Rii immediate possibility because peace at this time is unacceptable to the allies. Excerpts from some of the leading editorials follow: New York World It may be taken for granted that the terms proposed by the imperial chancellor will not be ac ceptable to the allies. Xew fork Sun The complete "res toration of Helgium" is a phrase that needs to be defined, Philadelphia Ledger Germany ap parently is playing not so much for peace us for conciliation of neutral opin ion. Philadelphia Telegraph Peace may still be far away but it has not been so near nt any time since the war be gan. Boston Transcript It is not expect ed that the entente will listen w'th any sort of eagerness to the suggestion. San Francisco Kxaminer The vital ly important thing is that peace pro posals have been officially made by one of the warring groups. Jn this crucial hour the counsel of humanity is tho counsel of self interest. San Francisco L'italia -The allies arc just at the beginning of their ef forts and therefore it was prudent nud far seeing (for Germany) to attempt the great bluff. San Francisco- Chronicle There is nothing to prevent the arrangement of a truce. Much depends on whether the allies can hold together in the peace uegut iations. Washington Post Germany chooses a most inopportune time in -winch to propose peace negotiations. .Milwaukee Sentinel Speculation a boujt the outcome will be rather futile it is learned whether Germany's ad-' vances will find the entente allies in a more receptive mood than was indi cate! in the recent bellicose statement by the new liritish premier. Cottrrier Des Batata Unig (French) No compromise with the bandits who have set Europe on fire and, their das tardly stroke having failed, would seek a truce to prepare for new aggression. Xew Vork Staats Zietmig. With vic tory esconced on her standards, Ger many can well advertise to the world the terms upon which she is prepared to deliver peace to it. Oscar Straus, former ambassador to Turkey, declared the important point at issue is what kind of peace is to be maintained after the present war is over. President Hibben of Princeton char acterized the terms as unsatisfactory and likely to result in another war. Henry Clews, New Vork banker, de clared his belief that the proposals mean eventual peace. Lewis Eft Clarke, president of Un American Exchange National bank ot New Yorkx thought the allies would not accept tne proposals. Portland Oregoniaa The suggestions will not please the outright champions of either party to the war. They see red; neutrals alone can survey the field dispassionately. Oregon Deutsche Zietuug The victor (Continued on page wc) LOST 3,921,859 MEN London, Dec. 13. Germany's total losses in the war up to the end of November, were 3,921, K59 men according to figures based upon the official casualty list. Of this number 94i,027 are list ed as dead. The casualties for November as reported here today were KXi.nC, not including 30,455 dead. lUlSiL mu OF MEXICO CITY With Jose Robles Leading Them Rebels Capture Puebla City TERRORIZED CHINESE FLEE FROM CHIHUAHUA Juarez Swarms With Them They Being Unable to Get .Across Border By Webb Miller. (United Press staff correspondent.) Juarez, Mexico, Dec. 13. Important movements of revolutionists under .lose Rubles, south of Mexico City, are in pro- &ivss today, aceordiug to report! rough! to the border by foreigners, who declare that the city of Pueblu, an important city about lOti miles south of Mexico City, is in possession of the rev isionists. Anticipating another attack upon Chi huahua City, nearly all the remaining Americans and foreigners are planning to leave the .city and come to the Amer ican border. A party of foreigners about to take the train here for Chihuahua Citv early today received telegraphic advice from GaUego, which said that body of troops, believed to be bandit.', were discerned in the vicinity of Gallego and the trip was abandoned. Chinese from every part of the state of Chihuahua are streaming to the bord er on every train, terrorized over the fate of their countrymen. This town is OUTH swarming with the Mongols a they are statement as having occurred after en not allowed to cross to the American i emy attacks around Tsislaw and to the side. Unconfirmed reports reached here that Mexican government soldiers of 0?.una's and Murgia's commands rioted over the possession of two carloads of foodstuffs in the railway yards at Chi huahua City, resulting in the killing of 48. Shake Up Carraaza. Washington, Dec. 13. The state de partment today made strong representii- iiuiim -lu uu- ci ruuitu-.jfuvei uiiieiu in iie matter of the arrest of Ricnrdo Solis, American citizen at Matainoris and his removal to Vistoria for trial. Depart mental investigation establish Solis Am erican citizenship and shows he was held (Continued on page -ix.) Was Seeking Shelter in Shel burne. N. S., When Wire lessed "Now Sinking" Ottawa, Out., Dec. 13. seoul boat and submariu The Canadian 1 chuser Grilsi is believed to have been lust off Shel - burne, N. S., with alL hands, the min- ' .. . . ' .... .. . . ister ot naval service announced this aftemoou. The Grilse, 125 tons, was! formerly an merican-owned yacht and nan neen eqaiopea witu a tprpedo tub ,,.! U r?r..;d "The vessel left Halifax at December 11 for Bermuda. At , p. ni! December 12, a wireless a wireless inessaife was received stating mat, owing to weather, she was returning for shelter to Sliel- burne, Hi S. At 7:28 p. m., she wirelessed "S. O. S." stating that her position was lati tude 4,1.40 N, longtitudc M.OO-W, At 7:.'10 p. m. a final message wus received "now sinking." No word of her has been received lllce. Orders were nnine. 1:11. mvpii for all available vessels to proceed to her assistance and endeavors made by wireless to inform any vessels at sea inj that vicinity. j Vearfels are now searching for any! signs of wreckage. The officers on board ship ut the I time ore: Lieutenant Walter Wingate; Hub-i i ; '' i '. i-. u..i. i :...,... ant Richard E. Wiusloe; Engineer Rub ert Wilkinson; Wireless Operators H. A. If I .. 1.' ! - . mcj.run aim r.. vnilMSi, The Grilse carried u crew of fifty, the majority from British Columbia, Frum Halifax this afternoon came word that the Stadacona, which went from Shelburne to answer the H. O. H. call of the Grilse, off Little Hope, has not been able to rind her in the loca tion given in the wireless call. Fighting at Mon astir. t, - i m ii - . i I north of Monastir was reported in day's official statement. A Bulgarian counter attack against Italian positions there was checked by machine gnu and atrillery fire of the allies. Senator Chamberlain Shakes Up the Senate Washington, Dec. 13. A hint that unprepnfediicss is preventing congress from legislating without fear was ex pressed by Seuator Chamberlain while discussing the Japanese clause of the immigration bill before the senate to day. ''We may not be prepared," said Chamberlain, "but it will not take us long to prepare for any trouble no mat ter where it comes from, if we are go ing to let this unpreparedness stand in the way of legislating for the best in terests of the citizens of the Ignited States, it is time for this coundry to go into the hands of receiver." I REPULSED BY SLAVS Rumanians Still In Retreat Fighting On Other Fronts Desultory Petrograd, Dec. 13. Repulse with great enemy losses of Teutonic attacks in the wooded Carpathians was an nounced in today's official statement. Eastward of Chibena a strong enemy attack was repulsed and southward and southwestward of Valeputna, fighting continues, the enemy stubbornly resist ing. "South of Trotiesh," the statement said, "we gained a line of enemy trenches along the heights south of Agu snlin. Enemy counter attacks made to regain this position were repulsed with great losses and a number of prisoners were taken." Retirement eastward of other Ruman ian forces was also detailed in tho south. Rumanians Retreat. Berlin, via Sayville wireless, Dec- 13. Full retreat of the enemy forces which had taken a stand on the flooded Yalomita river in Rumania, was an nounced in today's official sttaement. The Rumanians were reinforced by Russian cavalry. Their retreat is north eastward. "On the road to Buzeu we gained considerable ground and took more than 4,000 prisoners," said the statement. Many Clashes on Somme. Berlin, via Sayville, Dec. 13. In ad dition to artillery firing in the Somme and Mcuse sectors, which was tempor arily more lively and nightly patrol clashes, there were no large fighting actions on the western front, today's official statement said. Many Small Tights. Berlin, via Sayville wireless, Dec. 13. Successful patrol engagements were reported in today's official statement detailing events on the Carpathian front. On the Transylvnniun front the sttaement reported repulse by Austro llungarian troops of Russian attacks in the Gyergye mountains and ci both sides of the Trotusal valley. Reconnoit oring detachments following the retreat stated that there were considerable hos tile losses. Took Two Steamers. via Sayville wireless, De 'Bcrli 13. ilt .1 fi T. 1 t l - . 1 "" K 1 ul . u,'r man "l'a t'orees m Flanders undertook Inn ..I, ........ ...... UuJL. .....1 ... 1 " tt,"i "' VUb stea.ncr-Catcdomon and the '5"zilian steamer Kio I'urda, :.i BU1U U yi !"""y" . I "Both were loaded with contraband. I en route for England, and were brought : into port." sf: k sf: K s'fi sjc $ EXPECT NEUTRAL'S HELP Wushinglon, Dec. 1.1. The central powers are counting up on neutrals of the world to play an important part in influenc ing the entente allies to accept their peace terms, it wus declar ed at. the German embassy to day. Whatever peace terms arc sug gested now might perhaps be in teqiretcd "as what Germany would like to get, not what she expects to get," it was said, in view of this, the confer ence of representatives of the Scandinavian countries and Switzerland at Copenhagen this month, is said here to be of great significance. Spain and Holland may also send dele gates. Actual peace terms arc ness important now thun the neces sity of getting a conference. German officials said today. Any terms which may be sug gested now, would simply be "talking terms" it was empha sized. The real peace terms, of ficials pointed out, could only be evolved after a long dis cussion between the parties in terested. J f 4 ... L, j, mm T FORWARD PROPOSALS Treading On Ticklish Ground In Going Any Further Than This Until Allies Are Heard From-Must Know Whether They Are Willing to Discuss Peace Before Tendering Good Offices-High Officials Feel Allies Not Ready to Talk Peace By Carl D. Groat, (United Press Staff Correspondent.) I Washington, Dec. 13. What part the United States will play in furthering Germany's suggestion for peace is undetermined today. But these three big ideas toward it are in official minds: That England and her allies should at least discuss the offers. That any settlement, especially in Germany's present frame of mind, would have to be backed by a world guaranty of peace. That the United States will not be stampeded in the peace movement. On the whole, the sentiment here is at present the United States ought merely to act as messenger for Ger many and pass on her proposals. President Wilson is undecided; he has not even- told his cabinet what he thinks. But his closest followers be lieve that this nation ought to know what the allies think of the offer before making any move. Futhermore, they say frankly they believe England will scorn the offer; especially if based on the terms an nounced by a German embassy official. In these circumstances, America's course must be cau- tious, officials hold. The United Press obtained its information today from four of the best informed men in close touch with the ad ministration. Its main informant was one of the fore most men in the councils and confidence of President Wilson. Requires Consideration. From him came the statement that anything purporting to be President Wilson's idea now is a fiction. The piesident, he said, has not even confided to his cabinet what he plans, and, indeed, has not yet. But the of ficial view, us reflected by Wilson's closost advisers, can be stated thus: On the first point, the administration regards the question of peace as so bin that it must be given serious considera tion. On the other hand, it feels convinced already that the allies will acorn the off.ers. But be Germany's motive, po litical, altruistic or greedy, the idea of a step to end the war is too momentous o be cast aside without fullest official discussion. In these circumstances, the govern ment mny lend its influence,secrctly perhaps 10 getting such discussion. But it will go cautiously before put ting itself on public record behind Ger many's proffer, until it knows accurate ly whether there can be the slightest chance of success. While the administration feels certain that England will not now accept Ger many's proposals as outlined, it at- taches trrent importance to the fact that these proposals may form the "entering wedge" for peace "or peace parleys. A state department olticiai poinieo , , , ,,,, .i,.,t, ,,r ,.,.. hinnen the nro- '' . Jtt. iosius win ui , . ... L f.... i,. a oasis upon vrarcu m w l"" i0 minai f ncHlement l,osuls or ,,mM ot e"1,raent- May Start Discussion. Inasmuch as this officially starts the j ball rolling, it is considered a vital prop position thought destined to full for the moment. Colonel House, the president's per il sonal adviser, is with him today, helping him with his knowledge concerning peace thoughts in Europe, gleaned from : iourneyings us Wilson's private envoy. He will play a large part in the determ ination. Meantime others closo to the presi dent are anxious that he take a big, firm stand tor peace, backing Ger many's idea not ns Germany's idea but as a means to stop a monstrous slaughter. The idea of such a part has been pre- lsented frequently to the president. Earlv this forenoon the official text I . . . rt i . . or tne oterman ponce proposal nun arrived at the state department. On the question of a world guaranty of peace, officials think that Germany terms ns revealed by a German embassy official are such that only an interna tional agreement could make them "stick". And, at this time, they feel it Is doubtful if such a guaranty could be effected. Guaranty of World Peace. The reasons for desiring a world guaranty are these: Germany would be well pleased to re turn to the status she had territorially before the war. But, in addition, she wants a way into Asia Minor. Her terms impose a hardship upon Russia because she wants a buffer between that great nation and her eastern boundary. But CAN ONLY I such terms could not be attained, prou- aoiy. Hence, right on that point, the neci of a world guaranty of peace woul. arise. Belgium would be restored, but at a terrible sacrifice. There would be no restitution for the ravages of war, un less, perhaps, Germany should buy, at an enormous rate, the Belgian Congo as a restitution meusure. Belgium ' fate in the present war, of ficials think, makes the idea of a work! guaranty of peace even more essential than perhaps do the questions of a poa sible threat of Russia overrunning tho German empire. Germany has aspirations in Asia Min or. That ia why she leaves the settle ment of Balkan problems, to the peace Conference. All hef terms suggest the need of a world guaranty, said tho Uni ted I'ress' informant, and he doubted that this will be possible at this time. Will Not Send House. Washington, Dec. 13 The administra tion does not plan to send Colonel House, President Wilson's personal ad visor, abroad to do anything about the German peace move. llns milch ot the administration a plans was revealed to the United Pres today. Colonel House was the overnight guest of the president, conferred briefly with Secretary Lansing this forenoon and then hastened back to New Yorh. Portland Thugs Beat and R(b City Visitor Portland, Ore., Dec. 13. Three band its attacked B. C. Collins, a trapper, on a downtown street corner early totlav. beat him severely ami escaped witlk $300, his saving) of many months. Two suspects are under arrest. Collins lives near Fossil, Ore. When he arrived in Portland he was met by a stranger who offered to show him the city. As the two were leaving a hotel before dawn three men set upon them with blackjacks. The stranger fled. Collins fought but was quickly stunned, searched and left lying where he fell. 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