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run twt.jht and Saturday and tnw
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Christmas Tree
Cutting Fee Set
Christmas tree culling per
mits or individuals and fami
lies will be issued for $1 per
tree in tlie Deschutes, Fremont
and Winema national forests
this year, tlie Herald and News
learned Friday.
Tlie $1 fee has been estab
lished by t'he Portland regional
office of tlie U.S. Forest Serv-
'-e to compensate for increased
In The-
Day's lews
By FRANK JENKINS
From Salem this morning:
Did voters in the October 15
special election mean they
wanted the levei of Oregon
state services to be lowered
permanently, or were they
more concerned about a new
tax base possibly a sales
tax?
That was the overriding
question yesterday as members
of the legislature's joint ways
and means committee met in
(he capitol to study problems
that will confront the special
session that will convene on
Monday.
It's an interesting question.
This is the probable answer.
It was a little of both.
The people of Oregon, along
with the people of other states,
are getting fed up with the big
and ever growing burden of
taxation especially federal tax
lion. Taxes are beginning to
BITE.
From Washington:
Senator Margaret Chase
Smith, of Maine, is giving se
rious consideration lo sugges
tions that she seek the Republi
can Presidential . nomination
and enter the New Hampshire
primary next March, her top
assistant said today.
Tlie Washington story adds:
Mrs. Smith does not plan to
comment on the matter until
December 5, when she speaks
before the Women's Nation
al Press club, her administra
tive assistant said.
For the past year she has
been urged by supporters
throughout the country to en
t e r the GOP Presidential
sweepstakes. But she has been
most frequently mentioned in
recent months as a possible
vice-presidential nominee.
She is considered an inde
pendent or middle-of-the-road
Republican.
Question:
Could a woman be elected
President of the United States?
Well, it is possible, and is
becoming increasingly possible.
Back in 1!)38. George Gallup,
probably the nation's best
''known pollster, put it to a vote
in a poll in which both men and
women participated. Fifty two
per cent of those questioned
said they would vote for a
woman. Forty-three per cent
said no. they wouldn't. Five
per cent of those questioned
said they hadHio opinion.
Earlier this year, five years
after his first poll. 55 per cent
of those polled saidthey would
vote for a woman (or Presi
dent. 41 per cent said they
wmldn't and four per cent said
they didn'Pknow what they
would do.
Which is lo say:
The idea of a woman f o r
President is GROWING in ac
ceptance. Oddly enough, the idea of a
woman for President is more
widely accepted among MEN
than among women.
In a poll conducted by Mr.
Gallup recently. 58 per cent of
the men questioned said yes.
Ihcy would. 37 per cent said
no. they wouldn't, and 5 per
cent had no opinion. Among
the women questioned, only
51 per cent said they would
vole for a woman. 45 per cent
said they wouldn't and (our
per cent had no opinion.
In other words, women are
more opposed to the idea of a
woman President than are
men.
PROJF.CT COMPLETKII
KARACHI. Pakistan l'Pl' -Tli
Foreign Oflice announced
today that aerial portography
for demarcation of the Sino-Pak-istan
border has been complet
ed. The border was agreed
upon in negotiations late last
year.
Price Ten Cents 20 Paget
costs in administering t h e
Christmas tree cutting pro
gram, according to a report
received by the Fremont Na
tional Forest. In the past such
permits were issued free of
charge in that forest, while in
other forests fees rwged from
50 cenls to less than $1.
In the Fremont, permits may
be purchased from any district
ranger's office from II a.m.
through 5 p m., excluding lunch
hour heginning at noon, or indi
viduals mav ohtain them through
the U.S. mails if they earl) send
a $1 money order lo any dis
trict office
Rod Tunrnhly. ranger of the
Klamath District, disclosed Fri
day thai areas to he sol aside
for Christmas tree (Hitting in
the district wnUW !x estab
lished sometime next week. At
that lime rangers will he as.
sinned to such areas lo direct
and assist people in the re
mova! of trees.
Twombly indicated that tree
cutting permits for tlie Che
mult Ranger District and t h e
Fremont National Forest will
be issued jointly by (he dis
trict and (hat national forest.
This is being done primarily
for the convenience of Bend
people, many of whom cut
their trees in the Chemult dis
trict, he sai,
The headquarters of the Wi
nema National Forest reported
that each of its three districts,
including Klamath. Chemult
and Chiloquin. select the sires
and arrange their own tree cut
ting programs.
In the Deschutes National
Forest, five areas have been
set aside for cutting Christmas
trees, according lo Forest Su
pervisor Ashley A. Pousl.
The areas include:
Bend District Browns .Moun
tain and Siah Butte. Crescent
District Crescent Lake, Royce
Mountain, Bonneville power
line. Fort Rock District-Chin
Hat, Bonneville power line,
and Jones Well. Metolius Dis
trictBear Springs. Sisters Dis
trictBlack Pine Springs.
Directions and information
concerning these areas may
be obtained from any of t h e
five district offices in the na
tional forest. Permits will be
issued from any of those rang
er stations daily from Nov. 27
to Dec. 24. For the convenience
of the public, the district of
fices will remain open during
tlie weekends of Nov. 30, Dec.
14. and Dec. 21, except at
Crescent, where permits may
be obtained at the residence of
Die district ranger.
Shooting Hours
OREGON
November 9
Open Close
6:20 a.m. 4:55 p.m.
CALIFORNIA
November 9
Open Close
6:18 a.m. 4:51 p.m.
Rusk Urges Mew
WASHINGTON (UPI '-Secretary
of State Dean Rusk today
expressed hope that the new
government of South Vict Nam
will be able to rally the country
and its people to get on with
the war against Communist
guerrillas and create an "inde
pendent, free and secure" na
tion. Rusk said this was now the
"main job" of the provisional
government and the United
! Stales will give it every assist
! ance it can.
t But Rusk said under present
; conditions he sees little real
prospect of any realistic nego
tiations between the Communist
regime in North Vict Nam and
the Western-barked regime in
South Viet Nam to end their
guerrilla war.
At a news conference, Rusk
also lashed at senatorial efforts
lo write restrictions into the
foreign aid bill to limit or deny
assistance to such countries as
Jugoslavia. Egypt and Indo
nesia. He accused senators of trying
KLAMATH FALLS, OREGON',
fit-'--- j
ten
WEED CONFERENCE CONVENES Over 200 person,
arrived In Klamath Fall Thursday for two-day session
on weeds and weed problems. The session opened Thurs
day morning at 10 o'clock et the Willard Hotel and will
conclude Friday afternoon. Shown here at left is J. D.
Vertrees, former Klamath County extension agent, new
county extension agent at Roseburg, and Kent Peterson,
Junction City, president of the group, Vertrees opened
the conference with a talk on Weed Problems of the
Klamath Basin following the president's welcome Thurs
day morning.
Holmer Charges Austerity Program
Will Only Prolong State Fiscal Crisis
SALEM lUPD - Many of the
budget cuts proposed by Gov.
Mark Hatfield's austerity pro
gram will "push the fiscal prob
lem into the next biennium" Fi
nance Director Freeman Holm
er said Thursday.
In discussing proposed reduc
tions before a joint meeting of
the Wavs and Means Commit-
U.S. Force
In Britain
Will Be Cut
WASHINGTON (UPI) - The
Defense Department announced
today that 2,650 American mili
tary personnel end 41 bombers
and tanker planes will be with
drawn from Britain by next
July 1.
The withdrawal involves the
closing of two of four bases in
Britain currently used by B47
bombers, and the return to the
United Stales of 19 bombers
and 22 tanker planes.
The reduction amounts to ap
proximately 10 per cent since
there are now 25,000 U.S. mili
tary personnel and approxi
mately 35.000 military depend
ents in Great Britain.
In London, informed sources
described the move as the first
in a series of reductions in U.S.
bomber, jet interceptor and air
transport units in Britain, Spain
and France. The cuts will be
made during the next nine
months, it was said.
It was announced here, how
ever, that U.S. nuclear power
available for free world defense
is being increased by the addi
tion of Polaris submarines each
armed with 16 missiles. The
subs are being produced at the
rate of one a month.
"to legislate foreign policy."
The secretary said he was
"very much disturbed . . . very
much concerned about the ten
dency" in Congress to "try to
build into law attitudes on for
eign aid."
On other subjects, Huk said:
U.S. Recognizes New Government; Aid Resumed
SAIGON. South Vict Nam
'I'PIi The ruling military
junta, backed oif'cia'ly by the
United Slates, today dispatched
additional marines into tlie
I fight against Communist Viet
Cong guerrillas in South Vict
Nam.
The junta Thursday received
formal recognition from the
Kennedy administration. Brit
ain. Japan and Australia. Con
sultations on American aid.
now estimated at $1 5 million a
day. also were lo resume be
tween U S. and junta representatives.
U.OP 03S.UB!UttY
S?APeR secrioM
OEM.REF.AMtt DOCUatWTS
UuEJI.0.a.
FRIDAY. NOVEMBER-S. 1963
tee. Holmer cited postponement
of capital construction projects,
and cutbacks in facilities for
community colleges and higher
education.
The comments came at the
end of a four-hour afternoon ses
sion devoted to discussions of
cuts in the state's menial insti
tutions and hospitals, and wel
fare department reductions.
Mental Health Administrator
Dr. J. H. Treleavcn said "men
tal health is going to suffer as
School Finance Director
Outlines Effects Of Cuts
SALEM i UPI) Cuts in basic
school support will hit poor dis
tricts hardest, School Finance
Director L. E. .Marschat told the
Ways and Means Committee
hero today.
In outlining effects of the pro
posed $10.8 million cut in state
school aid, he said allotments
for transportation would not be
rcduced0
' But for each $1 million reduc
tion, grow th allotments would be
cut $33,000, equalization would
be reduced $193,400. and the al
lotment for each census child
would be down $1.77.
Sen. L. W. Newtjry, R-Ash-land.
said the effect of cuts at
the local level would be com-
f pounded because payments from
tlie irrcducable school fund,
w hich this year totaled $5.1 mil
lion, would be only $2 million
next year.
Deputy Superintendent of (he
Education Department, James
Turnbull. outlined $2.8 million in
operating cuts ordered for the
department by the governor. He
said elimination of the $13 mil
lion community college con
Viet Nam
Soviet harassment of U.S.
military convoys on the Berlin
highway is very serious because
it could lead to major prob
lems. He noted that Soviet Pre
mier Nikita S. Khrushchev
showed in remarks '.wo lavs
ago to some visiting mer'can
The provisional government,
headed by Chairman Maj. Gen.
Duong Van Minh, Thursday re
laxed its grip on the country.
It lifted a nationwide curfew,
ended press censorship and
sent most of the troops in
volved in the coup against tlie
government of the late Presi
dent Ngo Dinh Diem back into
the field.
In Washington, Slate Depart
ment press officer Robert J.
McCloskey said U.S. Ambassa
dor Henry Cabot Lodge deliv
ered tlie note of recognition to
tlie junta government in reply
coap.
prv.
Telephone) TU 4-8U1 No. 7623
AGENT HONORED Harold Schioferstein, extension
agent and weed expert in the local office, was accorded
special honors Thursday night for his efforts at weed con
trol in this area. Len Harris, left, master of ceremonies
for the banquet is shown handing Schieferstein a gift
certificate. He was also awarded a plaque. Guest speak
er was Dr. Virgil Freed, from the Ag Chemistry Depart
ment, OSU. Freed also lauded Schieferstein for his many
contributions to weed control.
a result of the cuts, there's no
doubt of it.
"We have struggled in this
state a long time, but have
made major improvements in
the past 10 years. We have aim
ed these cuts at quantity, not
quality. 1 oppose going back to
the kind of programs we had 15
years ago."
. He said the staff-palient ratio
at state hospitals had been cut
"dangerously thin" as a result
of the reductions.
struction program was ordered
by tlie governor.
Robert Hatten, head of the
community college program,
said enrollments wore up 22 per
cent this year to 4,200 full time
equivalent students.
Veterans' Organizations
Plan Memorial Service
An 11-giin salute and memo
rial services to be conducted by
local veterans' organizations
next Monday. Veterans Day,
Nov. 11, will commemorate the
memory of those servicemen
from Klamath County w ho gave
their lives in defense of this na
tion during wartime
The annual observance will
commence about oaybrcak w ith
an 11-gun salute to be fired by
members of the American Le
gion's Paul Biuiyan Voiture No.
222 , 40 and 6
Following the ceremony, tlie
legionnaires will retire to the
lffgion Hall. 228 North Eighth
Street, for their annual break
Leaders
businessmen that he realises
this. He said the United States
and its Allies consider their ac
cess lo Berlin "utterly funda
mental,'' and the matter of
whether lo lower tailgates of
trucks lo count troops, whi'.e it
mi;!it appear lo be sort of
lo one expressing the provision
al government's de.-.re "to
At Long Last!
- LEEUWARDEN', The Nelh
erlands UPD Veterinary
surgeon J. E. S. Rron said
today he has invented a
"brassiere for cows" to keep
them from stepping on their
udders when rising from a
lying position.
Weather
LONO-RANGI OUTLOOK
Hecurrlng showers through Saturday,
partial cteartnt on Sunday. Showers
aget Monday and Tuesday, Tempera
tures ranging from lows nter M to
highs to the 4f or low Ms,
Welfare Administrator Andrew
Juias detailed the $1.6 million
welfare cuts ordered by the gov
ernor, and warned reductions in
institution budgets could result
in more people being placed on
nursing home care.
Wheat Deal
Uncertain
WASHINGTON tUPl '-Secretary
of State Dean Rusk said
today that "some progress has
been made" in negotiations to
sell American wheat to the So
viet Union. But he said he did
not know whether a deal would
be completed.
Asked at a news conference
why there was so much "secre
cy" surrounding the talks here,
Rusk said there was "a cer
tain amount of bargaining" go
ing on and it is "not in our in
terest to disclose the details."
fast to be served by the legion"
auxiliarv, 8 and 40, beginning at
7:30.
At 11 a.m., officers of vet or
conizations throughout the coun
ty will appear at special serv
ices on the county courthouse
lawn, where they will place
wreaths before the shaft in
memory of this area's war
dead.
An open house w ilt be held all
day a', tlie Legion Hall for
legionnaires and their guests.
' Other services commemorat
ing this nation's servicemen
who died in battle will be heid
Sunday at the Kingsley Field
Chapel.
To Rally
"an elaborate minuet" has very
grave implications.
Million Troop Oversea
-The United Slate still has
one million men under arms
overseas. "We must support
those men: hey are trying lo
! do a lob for (he free world."
a:nta:n and strengthen h
fr.endly rela'iont already exist
ing" between South Vet Nam
and the United Stales.)
The Junta also announced die
restoration of complete reli
gious Ireedom in South Viet
Nam.
Diem and his brother advi.wr,
the late Ngo Dinh Nhu, had
been accused of discriminating
against the country's Bud
dhists. This, It Is fell, helped
bring on the coup which result
ed in the end of Diem's nine
year regime and the death of
him and his brother.
Nikita Sees Russia
As 'Mo. 1r iy 1970
MOSCOW (UP1 - Premier
Nikita S. Khrushchev, appar
ently buoyed by tlie public de
but of Russia's "stratospheric
fly-swatter" missile, lias pre
dicted that the Soviet Union
will become liw No. I country
in the world by 11)70
Khrushchev, boasUui and bel
ligerent, made (lie prediction
Thursday night at a gala
Kremlin reception celebrating
Big Convoys Win
Quick Clearance
BERLIN lUPH - The Rus
sians changed their "tough"
tactics today and cleared large
Berlin-bound French and Brit
ish convoys through highway
checkpoints without harass
ment. The action was consid
ered a Russian backdown in
die (ace of Western Allied firm
ness. A small Aineiican convoy
also was cleared without trou
ble along the liu-iiiile super
highway thai runs between
West Germany and Berlin.
In none of the cases today did
any of the men in the Allied
couvojs dismount lo be counted
as the Russians have demanded
in recent days.
The Fiench scut a convoy o(
Ml soldiers ill 10 vehicles
through East Germany and the
British followed with a convoy
of 43 soldiers In eight vehicles.
The Russian action was a
change of tactics from the
"tough" stand the SovieB took
earlier this week when they
held up a U.S. Army convoy o(
44 men in 12 vehicles with a
demand that they dismount lo
lie counted.
The Fiench said their men
and machines cleared check
points today without dismount
ing (or any head counts.
The Americans, British and
French had protested jointly the
Soviet action last Monday, and
, sent through further test con
voys today to reassert tlie West
ern Allies right lo free access
to Berlin. -.
Earlier today a U.S. convoy
of eight soldiers in six vehicles
passed onto the Berlin highway
without incident. But it was con
sidered too small for a true test
of Soviet intentions.
A Western spokesman said a
British convoy would be sent
later in tlie day.
The West contends tlie Rus
United Fund Campaign
November I
Goal 14B.3I1
Collection 85.000
Percentage S7'
Country'
It would be possible In work
out a longer ranje Berlin solu
tion "if lite olher side would,
in a spirit ol reciprocity, rec
ognize Hie vital interests of the
West." But he said so far Rus
sia has not been willing to do
'his.
-The ..'ireumitanres were not
the same in (he military coup
in South Vic. Nam and recent
m'litary coups in the Domini
can Republic and Honduras, lie
said each "ae is different, ob
scrvinj that tlie Vietnamese re
gime is wnrkini toward con
stitutional government. He satd
there is a danger of a "chain
reaction ' of military coups in
Lann America, led ling a ay
'rum democracy
-Tile United State recog
nUis thai t-atin America is go
ing Ihrough considerable eco
nomic and other .'hanges and
expected Ui.it its Alliance for
Progress program based on
self-help and reforms would
"encounter many difficulties . . .
and rreal. tension in tome
countries."
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the 46th anniversary of the
Bolshevik Revolution.
At a massive Red Square pa
rade earlier in the day, tlie
Russian army for the first time
displayed what was believed to
be the anti-missile missile
Khrushchev has boasted can
"hit a fly in the sky."
Khrushchev, standing in front
of a microphone while 2.000
guests drank toasts w ith vodka
sians have no right to Impose
new rules for travel across the
Berlin autobahn. Tlie Russians
have said that troops in Allied
convoys must dismount to be
counted whenever the Commu
nists say.
East-West agreements on Ber
lin highway travel arc cloudy.
But high American military of
ficials have said Western troops
will dismount lo facilitate Rus
sian checking only when there
are more than 30 passengers
in a convoy, not counting driv
ers and co-drivers. They have
made it clear this is done mere
ly lo seed checkpoint procedures.
Red Chief Impresses
Visiting Capitalists
MOSCOW (UPI) Twenty of
America's top capitalists' left
Moscow today with some of
them readily admitting that
Premier Nikita S. Khrushchev
would make a good chamber of
commerce executive or polili.
cian In the United States.
Tlie group, which Included tlie
presidents of the New York
Stock Exchange, I.B.M., Alumi
num Co. of America' and Coca
Cola, wound up two days of
Kremlin meetings and recep
tions villi the Soviet premier
and left for Berlin.
Heavy Rain
Ups Rivers
In Oregon
By United Press International
Soaking rains sent streams
j in Oregon today and the
Weather Bureau said many trib
utaries in the Willamette Valley
would reach the bank-full stage
this afternoon.
'Moderate to substantial rises
were forecast for the Willamette
River in tlie icxt two days but
tlie main stem stream was not
expected lo flood.
The Santiam River at Jeffer
son rose nearly seven feet in 24
hours and was expected to
crest a foot and a half over
flood stage this afternoon. .'
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BASEMENT GOLD Gold ruth 1963 style is in
doors, inside the Holland Hotel in Medford wher. dig
ginqi from a new .levator shaft at being panned by
Variil Jordan, father of th. hot.l'l manager. In th
cramped auart.ri of th. hotel bat.m.nt. An eight-inch
hoi. ii b.ing drilled to a d.pth of 47 f..t for tm thaft
of th. new automatic .l.vator. Color was Vnl noted at
the 1 2-foot Isv.l according to th. supervisor for th. Sturn
El.vator Co., Portland, which is doing th. drilling.
UPI T.l.photo
and cognac, issued pronounce
ments on matters ranging from
Sino-Soviet relations to Mos
cow's support of Cuba. Among
olher tilings he said:
Tlie Soviet Union will sur
pass the United Slates econom
ically in seven years. This was
considered a new Communist
timetable.
-sVr.y American aUack en
Cuba would bring a Russian
blow against American allies
nearer the Soviet borders.
The West should not gloat
over Russia's ideological differ
ences with Communist China
because "I am sure that we
will come to an agreement
sooner or later."
"Tlie United States is only
30 minutes by intercontinental
missile from us."
Khruslichev swapped smiling
but sharply barbed banter with
U.S. Ambassador Foy Kohler.
who flow back to Moscow be
cause of tlie Berlin highway
blockade of an American con
voy earlier this week.
At one point, KlirushcJiev told
the guesls that Kohler did not
want lo drink with him.
"This is a good party," Koh
ler retorted. "But where is the
spirit of Moscow hereT I
haven't heard any toasts 1 can
drink to."
"Then you make a toast,"
KhrushdicV said.
"It's your party,'.' Kohler re
plied. .
The millionaires, here under
the sponsorship of Time maga
zine, left Moscow in a chartered
Caravelle jet.
"He's very clever, cool, boast
ful," said Russel R. TJe Young,
president of the Goodyear Tire
and Rubber Co., in reference
to Khrushchev.
"He'd make a good chamber
of commerce man in my book
and would probably talk ma '
out of my Job."
As an aside, De Young said
Russian truck tires are "pretty
good you can't dismiss them."
Morgan J. Cramer, president
of the Lorillard Tobacco Co.,
called Khrushchev, a peasant's
son and former coal miner, "a
brilliant man who'd make a
good politician anywhere."
"He'd be where he Is no mat
ter what type of government,
and make a good businessman
too," Cramer said.
Alcoa's president, John Har
;er, said: "I think Khrushchev
is a brilliant man."
"Why we even set up a my
thical private lumber business
not with Alcoa but just be
tween me and him," Harper
said laughingly.
At one point, sitting at a
candlelit table in the business
men's hotel with executives and
newsmen crowded around,
Khrushchev asked Rudolph
Peterson, president of the Bank
oft America, for a $10 billion
loan.