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Plan Offered to Change
Big 10 Conference Rule
Ohio State Starts Movement to Lift
Big 10 Ban On Postseason Grid Games
CHICAGO, Nov. 16 W) Ohio
Stale's unbeaten and untied foot
ball team is casting longing,
hopeful eves at a possible post
season Rose Bowl game, but
some of the Big Ten conference
faculty officials have frowned
on the Idea and there's a con
ference rule opposing such con
tests. The Buckeyes, receptive to a
tentative bid to the coast classic,
are backing a plan to have the
conference change its rule ban
ning post-season games, says
Athletic Director L. V. St. John.
A majority of the faculty ath
letic committee is necessary to
lift the ban imposed several
vcars ago and pave the way for
Ohio to accept a formal bid.
Opinion expressed by several of
ficials yesterday indicated the
rule will not be rescinded.
Sentiment out California way
was all in favor of the ban lift
ing. C. Hal Reynolds, chairman
of the-Tournament of Roses as
sociation's football committee,
said the Big Ten ruling "has
repeatedly prevented us from
inviting a team which we really
wanted to have."
An unofficial poll of confer-
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By PAUL HAINES
HOOKS AND CROSSES
We recenty came by the in
formation that San Francisco
and Oakland boxing lings
were the developing grounds
of more great fighters than
any other area.
A few that were named as
coming up via Oakland and
Frisco were: Jim Corbett, Jim
Jeffries, Bob Fitzsimmons, Sailor
Tom Sharkey, Jack Dempsey,
Abe Attell, Willie Ritchie, Eddie
Hanlon, Jimmy Britt, Frankie
Neil, Monte Attell and Max
Baer.
Anybody know of any other
area that produced as many
fighting greats as this? As far
as we're concerned. 12 of these
guys could be overlooked and
just leave us Jack Dempsey.
He's still the greatest fighter
that ever drew on gloves for
our dough. He had everything,
including the old intestinal
fortitude that his fast retiring,
Shakespeare perusing succes
sor. Gene Tunney. lacked. The
main difference between them
was that Dempsey was a
FIGHTER. Tunney wasn't!
This leads back invariably to
the historic . bout in Chicago's
Soldier's Field, when Jack pasted
Tunney with a terrific punch
that sent the ex-marine on the
way to lullaby land, only to be
saved by the famous, "long
count."
This has been a cause for
rabid discussion, pro and con,
among fight followers ever
since the incident occurred,
but the concensus of opinion
has always been that Tunney
would never have made the
grade without the extra count
of seven tacked on to the nor
mal run of 10.
They just didn't get up that
quick after the Manassa
Mauler hung one on 'em. Es
pecially Tunneyl
BAN LIFT ASKED
On today's sport page appears
the story about Athletic Director
L. W. St. John of Ohio State
university starting a movement
to have the Big Ten conference
permit conference elevens to par
ticipate in the Rose Bowl game
at .casaaena, uaiu.
We have been hoping for
something like this for a long,
long time, but whether the Big
Ten faculty athletic represen
tatives will approve, it is a
moot question. It has been a
rule of such long standing, al
though an unreasonable one,
that it will be extremely diffi
cult to force a chanae.
We said a week or so aen in
.his pillar that we thought the
midwest had the edge by about
a wheatie flake on the west coast
in football, and that the bowl
games were not fair comparisons
because Big Ten teams were not
allowed to Dartieinate in them
We also stated that, although the
west coast elevens strove to se
cure the best competition avail
able, this was often impossible
because of this same conference
rule.
It would seem we are borne
out in this statement as Hal
Reynolds, chairman of the
Tournament of Roses football
.committee, said in his advoca
tion of the change in rule, "the
Big Ten ruling has repeatedly
prevented us from invitino a
team vhich we reallv wanted
to have. They turn "out some
mighty fine teams in that con
ference." 'Nuff said folksl
ence schools was not too en
couraging for supporters of the
Buckeye idea. Professor Henry
Roltschaefer o f Minnesota,
chairman of the faculty group,
said the wartime rules suspen
sion action needed no Interpre
tation, stating tile language was
definite in that "eligibility rules
were waived only and not the
ban on post-season games.
Maj. John L. Griffith, confer
ence athletic commissioner, de
clined to comment but some of
the coaches and athletic direc
tors favored the idea. At Pur
due Athletic Director Guy Mack
ey said: "Personally I'd be glad
to have the rule against post
season games lifted. However,
I can t speak lor me univer
sity." Dr. J. A. Estey, Purdue
faculty representative, had no
comment. ,
Joining Mackey, X. JL. liugj
Wilson, Northwestern athletic
director declared: "I would like
very much to see Ohio State
given an opportunity to go the
Rose Bowl but the decision is
up to the faculty committee."
On the other hand, Bernie Bier
man, Minnesota head football
coach, and Athletic Director
Douglas Mills of Illinois, both
opposed the plan.
Wisconsin's athletic director
and Coach Harry Stuhldreher
was unavailable for comment,
but faculty representative Dr.
William F. Lorenz commented:
"If Wisconsin planned a post
season game our attitude would
be against it."
One faculty representative
who championed the Buckeye
cause was Karl Lieb, Iowa ath
letic board head and Big Ten
facultv reoresentative. He said:
"The Bis Ten and the Pacific
coast conferences have stood for
evervthina that is best for col
lege athletics ana looioau in
particular and such an arrange
ment would be for the good of
college sports. It is the classic
football game in the country."
The Buckeyes, conierence
lenders and winner of seven
games, four league, play Illinois
and Michigan to complete its
schedule. The only Big ten team
to play in a Rose Bowl game
was the 1920 Ohio State eleven,
which lost to California, 28-0.
Pete Gets Tough With "Grey Mask"
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Pete Bolcaslro puts a leg-breaker on the "Grey Mask In
their wild melee last week at the armory. Pete will tangle with
the hooded heel in a re-match by popular demand this Friday
night. Ernie Plluso meets toughy Earl Malone in the semi
windup and the colorful Bulldog Jackson takes on Rowdy
O'Dowdy in the opener.
Answer to Army-Navy Game
Question Expected Today
WASHINGTON, Nov. 16 (Pl
A direct answer to the question
of whether the Army-Navy foot
ball game December 2 will be
moved from Annapolis to a big
Wildcats Clash
With Notre Dame
In Annual Fray
CHICAGO, Nov. 16 (&) Notre
Dame and Northwestern will
stage the 24th football renewal
Saturday at south uena ot a ser
ies which began 55 years ago
when the Irish triumphed 9-0.
The South Benders have won
18. games, lost three, and two
contests were scoreless ties.
Last year the Irish defeated
the Wildcats 25-6 and they rule
favorites again despite heavy
losses by injuries and service
calls. Yesterday Coach Ed Mc
Keever was making wholesale
changes in his riddled squad.
Trainer Scrapiron Young report
ed that Bob Kelly, star back,
probably would not be available
Saturday because of a leg injury.
Post-Season
War Benefit
Game Talked
OKLAHOMA CITY, Nov. 16
lP) The navy's best service
team vs. the army's No. 1 club
in a post-season war bond bene
fit game.
That's the proposal made to
day by Hal Middlesworth, sports
editor of the Daily Oklahoman,
in his column, "on the level."
Middlesworth suggested that the
game be played in the Los An
geles coliseum, and predicted
that a game between, say, the un
defeated Norman, UKia., iNavy
Zoomers and March Field would
fetch several million dollars in
bonds.
He thought the game should
be either a week before or after
New Year's to avoid conflicts
with Bowl contests, and in ad
dition to the Norman club, said
that the Bainbridge, Md., Com
modores or the Fort Pierce, Fla.,
Amphibians could hold down the
ship for the navy, with the Ran
dolph Field Second air force or
the Third air force as army possibilities.
Camp Peary Grid Stars
: fill i'
rilv stadium may be received
tod"ay from Navy Secretary For
rectal.
The matter was up lor a going-
over at a news conference ar
ranged for Forrestal this after
noon.
President Roosevelt said Tues
day that he planned to discuss
the possiDUUy ot swiicniui; mu
"me with War Secretary Stim-
son. ino otiiciai acvciupim-iuo
..e reported yeslcraay.
While Forrestal was not men
tioned sDceifically in Mr. Roose
velt's dUiiis, ncverthelcsu the
navy secretary is one of the of
ficials having a big say-so on any
shift of the eamc.
The navv department said last
night that a change in the sites
is still extremely aououui .
that thi "score still is 0-0."
A definite decision apparently
must, he made bv Friday. Caut.
C. O. Humphreys, the Naval
academy's athletic director, said
it would be physically impos
sible to print and distribute tick
ets after rriday.
New York Tracks
Have Prosperous
Racing Season
NEW YORK, Nov. 16 (P)-
Ncw York's most prosperous
racing season dumped more
than S26.500.000 in taxes into
the state treasury in 1944 as its
share of the 3410,230,402, wag
ered during the 189-day period:
according to unofficial figures
compiled today.
The total muluel handle, in
eluding the nine-day Victory
meeting that closed the metro
politan campaign yesterday at
Belmont Park, represents an in
crease of approximately 44 per
cent over last year's take of
8284,635,717.
The state took 6 per cent of
the money wagered, and the
tracks 4 per cent, breakways
was to the nickel and the odd
cents wore retained and split
on a 60-40 basis by the state
and tracks.
War relief organizations real
ized more than $1,900,000 from
19 special programs staged dur
ing the season, including $725,
000 from the Victory meeting.
Oregon Prep
Teams Fight
For Titles
Medford Battles Coqulllo
Saturday; Round Robin Sot
To Decide District 3 Mass
By BILL HULEN
PORTLAND. Ore.. Nov. 18
(fliNine tennis still in the run-f,,-
nrm.,m'.i 11)44 hhth
school gridiron crown do buttle
for a pull' of oisinei uiuuniMvm
ships this weekend, whilo two
elevens which already have riv
eted sectional titles rest up for
their Thanksgiving Day semi
final struggle. ,
The district 2 toga will be
determined at Medford Sulur
riav nlelil when Al Simpson s
T-formution Black Tornado, win
ner of seven straight tuts, niceus
Spike Leslie's Red Devils, boast
ing an Identical imiiK,
Four Fridnv night tussles will
thin the district 3 field to the
point whero a lliree-iium com
mitten will bn able to select one
aggregation with the hope it
really Is the best In tne area.
Columbia Prco plays at Ver-
nnnin. tho lrnuuo eluiniolon New-
Dera moves to v.ircsnum nnu
Lebanon goes to Cottage Grove
All nro unbenten and untied,
The fourth crucial game pus
Eugene, undefeated in the dis
trict, against Albany lit Albany.
Eugene must win in oritcr io oc
considered, along wun ino vic
tors In the three other contests,
for selection as the district s top
club, which will fuce tho dis
trict 2 champ In the other
Thanksgivinc Day fracas. Al
bnnv is not in tho running.
Roosevelt of Portland, district
4 champ, will leave hero lues
dnv for La Grande to meet the
Tigers, district 1 kings. Neither
teams play tins weeKena.
Other games: Pendleton at
The Dalles, Reedsport at Rose-
burg, Hood Kivcr at Astoria,
McMinnville at Tillamook, Sa
lem at Central Catholic (Port
land). Junction City at Toledo
and Tigard at Forest Grove.
Navy Eleven
Set to Down
Boilermakers
Comin' Up
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Superbombers Meet
Huskies Saturday
SPOKANE, Nov. 16 () Ma
jor William B. (Red) Reese, for
mer athletic coach al Eastern
Washington College of Educa
tion, Cheney, brought his Super-
Dombor lootoaii team ot tne bec
ond Air Force into Spokane yes
terday with workouts planned
for today in final preparation
for Saturday's game hero with
the University of Washington.
BALTIMORE, Nov. 16 (P) !
With a devastating army eleven
just over tho horizon, the navy
sails into what Midshipman
Coach Cmdr. Oscar Ilagberg be
lieves will be Its hordest game
to date Saturday at the Balti
more stadium against Purdue.
And Hagbcrg may bo right,
for the powerful Boilermakers
have exhibited one of the sea
son's better ground games. Led
by Fullback Boris (Bab) Dimnn
cheff, Big Ten conference high
point scorer and ground gainer
deluxe, Purdue has rolled up
impressive yardage with its dis
tinctive type of modified "T"
formation.
Navy is counting upon its
rock-like forward wall to halt
tho Purdue ground game, but
tho question is how the An
napolis eleven plans to get the
ball into payoff territory.
Hollywood Stars
Release Manager
HOLLYWOOD, Nov. 16 UP)
The Hollywood Baseball club.
which wound up in sixth place
in the Pacific Coast league this
year, has released its manager,
Charley Root, but the i.os An
geles Angels, pennant winners
for the past two seasons, have
re-signed their skipper, Bill
Sweeney.
Victor Ford Collins, president
of the Hollywood club, said:
"The board of directors de
cided to make a change and
hopes to select a new manager
within a few days. Mr. Root
and the Hollywood ball club
part on the best of terms. He
was given his release as soon as
possible In order that he might
have a chance to hoop up else
where." Released by the Chicago
Cubs, Root Joined Hollywood as
a pitcher in 1042. In the next
two years he took on the man
agerial job additionally. Holly
wood finished fifth In 1943.
NEW YORK, Nov. 10 (,P)
Haven't confirmed this yet, but
word comes from a good source
that the army uir forces are go
ing all out for big-tlmo basket
bull even more than fur football
. . . A team being assembled at
Wright Field, Ohio, Includes
John (Ceorgetowni Muhnken,
Harry (St. Johns) Boykoff.
George (St. Joe) Sencsky uud
other big stars big in every
sense . . . ioi. in-line muiei,
former NBA president now over
seas (or on his way I with tho
murines, has authored an article
on Joe Cans (or Hie current Es-
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QUOTE, UNQUOTE
Dud Do Croot, Washington
Redskins couch: "I thought my
formal education hnd stopped
when I got a doctor's degree at
Stanford, but 1 havo found this
new course I'm taking at (icoi'gn
Marshall's collego is a lot
tougher."
SERVICE DEPT.
Belated football results from
England: Tho Air Service Com
mand Warriors beat the Hear
cuts, H O, before HO.UOO al Black
pool stadium when Ted D'Uvu
of New York scored on n triple
Intend pass ... A Navy team
trounced n GI eleven 12-0 at
Tewksbury and the unbeaten,
unscorcd-on Shuttle Raiders from
an air depot station commanded
by Col. William K. Shuttles
whipped a Thunderbolt team
20-U. The Haiders Included
former collegians PFC. Ashley
Anderson. Wisconsin; Pvt. Ed
Dosey. Purdue, and Pvt. fcd
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has a roiinterlng ractor fcj
in , loose, experienced M
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ert " ted" Ciilben . 1
semi-pro (rom the Diibk.1
Los Angeles. Gilbert !i f J
shape, but Clilsui ii lta
'"K I'IMKUIIOn.
Unlfonns or the marint J
dllloniil searlcl mid unLH.,1
fit 15 men havo been ot&J
Tito rosier at the prCMMtj
iiKim-.i in ,iu er. isreel n 1
decided as to who will k.1
lected, ns competition for s
tlo, is is keen.
Klamath Union high xh
courli, Marble Cook, hu i,
picked ns head official to
Leathernecks. He will ilinJ
with two others not yd n-A
EL1ZAHKTII, N, J. Srt J
Louis. 214. Detroit. irJ 1
Amos. 210, New York,
exhibition (3); Clint Mitel
F.lUahclh, mitnolnted ii
Progano, 12D, Stamford, Cri
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After tho.se trimming' I Snow, New Hampshire
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by Navy ami Army, Kci Me
Kcever still thinks his Noire
Dame team could play . Ohio
State on about even terms,
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TODAY'S GUEST STAR
Lynn C. Doyle, Philadelphia
Evening Bulletin: "The Penn
team still has a chance to sur
vive against Army if the eoaeh
will swallow his pride and trade
all the V-12's and V-7s to the
nazis lor one oi uiose v-i gun-
gels."
HEADLINE HEADLINER
Headline in New York paper:
"Loh, Eli quarterback, Is down
with mumps." . . . Laid loh, no
doubt.
SPORTS BEFORE YOUR EYES
Shorty McWillinius, Mississip
pi Slate's freshman star, has a
kid brother. Billy, playing for
Meridian, Miss., high, lie's only
IS and weighs 140 but he's al
ready a good passer and runner
. . . When Coach Slats Gill called
out his Oregon Slate basket-
bailers, the tallest candidate was
Ted Ileiiningscn, a. mere (i-foot-
B-lnches . . . The Western associa
tion baseball club owners are
none loo hopeful about resum
ing operations in 11)45 because
Ihey don't think there'll be gas
for bus travel. Hut they expert
to be all set with nn eight club
league for '40 . . . Johnny IJulla
has played golf willi Bobby
Jones 30 times in recent weeks
Conu'r. Potsy Clark has been n-
signed lo submarine service In
the southwest. Likely he'll pick
up some new 'submarining
tactics to teach his football linemen.
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