Goldwater Believes Kennedy Can Be Ousted from White House in '64
'. (Edilor'i note: Republi
can leaden put San. Bar
ry Goldwater of Arizona
high on their list of poten
tial riyaU to Gov. Nelion
A. Rockefeller tor the 1964
GOP pretidential nomina
tion. Ai a remit, UPI aik
ed the lenalor about a wide
range of current issues, in
cluding the political out
look, Cuba. Red China and
the nuclear threat. The in-
- ierview follows.)
By WILLIAM THEIS
and JOHN A. GOLDSMITH
United Pre International
Washington - tUPB - Sen.
Barry Goldwatcr believes
President Kennedy is a victim
o "indecision" and that the
Republicans can oust the New
Frontier from the White
House in 1864.
The Arizona jet pilot,
whose political prestige is
Seven Youths Are
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Wooburn-IUPIi-Seven youths
who escaped from the Mac
Laren School for Boys Satur
day were back in custody to
day.
The boys, all 15, fled from
the school after attacking Le-
Roy Mooers, an attendant at
Greer Cottage. Mooers was
taken to a Salem hospital
with head injuries.
Three of the youths were
taken into custody at Cottage
Grove Sunday in a car stolen
at Salem. The other four were
caught Saturday night.
The escapees were identi
fied as Johnnie Irvln, Mult
nomah County; Roger Brooks,
Portland; Leonard Bongo, Sal
em; Dewayno Peacock, Al
bany; Ernest Jester, Gresham;
Raymond Lced, Empire, and
Ronald Griggs, Roseburg.
soaring among GOP conserva-, Russians "are probably ahead
tives, also says his party s of us, the senator said. One
1964 presidential nomination of these, he said, may be so-
still is "up for grabs." phisticalcd radar for judging
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Goldwater gave this assess-
cent of the current political
scene in an exclusive inter
view with United Press Inter
national. Touching a wide va
riety of subjects, both domes
tic and foreign, the senator:
Said Communist China
may explode a nuclear bomb
any day now. But he said
Peking's "rickshaw" econo
my could take 25 years to
build a delivery system and
fashion a nuclear strike force.
Ruled himself out as a
vice presidential candidate.
Goldwater said it would bn
"ruinous" to have a presiden
tial candidate pushing liber
al causes while he was at
tacking them.
Said $7 to $10 billion
could be cut from President
Kennedy's proposed budget
without touching space or de
fense efforts. But realistical
ly, he said, the economies will
not be made because the Sen
ate will restore House cuts.
Complained that admin
istration defense planners are
trying to substitute the Presi
dent's civilian authority for
necessary tactical and strate
gic judgments of experienced
military leaders.
"That is the big mistake
Hitler got into the Kaiser
got into," the senator said.
Reserve Air General
Goldwatcr, a reserve Air
Force major general, was al
most engulfed in plane mod
els he tries to get a model
of each plane he flies as
he sat at his desk and at
tacked the methods and goals
of Kennedy administration
defense planning.
The administration is con
sidering defense strategy, he
said, "talks about freedom for
the President to select the
weapons that can't be
done."
Goldwater said Pentagon
planners are operating on the
assumption that U.S. forces,
in any brush-fire war, would
have to abandon convention
al arms In favor of a full nu
clear exchange as soon as
either side used nuclear arms.
"I don't believe cither side
wants to go into nuclear war
but we don t leave our
selves any room for negotia
tion or pause," Goldwatcr
said..
Some small nuclear weap
ons are better for a given
job than TNT weapons, ho
said, and it Isn't necessarily
true that their use would re
sult automatically in all-out
nuclear conflict.
"At any lime you could
pause and say: 'The next step
may be an attack on one of
your airfields with this kind
of a weapon,' " he said.
"I think we arc engaged
in unilateral disarmament,"
Goldwatcr said. "If Russia
has been kept at bay it has
been because of the men of
the Strategic Air Command."
As their role is diminished by
the substitution of missiles
for planes he said, U.S.
strength is downgraded as
against Russia's.
Ahead In Some Fields
In some technical fields the
that Red China and other
countries will develop nuclear
bombs compared with the
risks inherent in a test agree
ment? A - "I think Red China
can set off a bomb anytime.
Maybe she has already done
it, but she has to be able to
deliver it. If she is still run
ning around in rickshaws, I
rtnn't tltinlr aha fan HVflnn
This alone might be cause deliverv vehiclcs for perhaps
for our seeming willingness 25 years without Russia's help
height and distinguishing be
tween true and decoy war
heads. If this is the case, he
said, the Russians might be
closer to having an anti
ICBM missile than has been
disclosed.
to give away everything in
order to reach a nuclear test
ban agreement with Russia,"
he said.
Q - What about the risk
and I don't think she's going
to get it. Even France would
be hard pressed to develop
delivery vehiclcs in 5 to 10
years."
Q - You have complained
about a lack of policy enun-
ciation by the administration,
what about Defense Secretary
Robert S. McNamara's state
ment that the U. S. will not
accept combat operations in
the Western Hemisphere by
Russian troops?
A - "We could have justi
fied anything we had to do
in Cuba or in Laos if such a
policy had been in effect. If
there is one glaring weakness
with this administration it is
the inability ... or refusal
to reach decisions . . . inde
cision is our greatest prob
lem. Look at Congress. Isn't
it swamped down in commit
tees and committees and com
mittees?" Proposes Cuba Blockade
Q - Against all this, what
policy would you propose
for Cuba?
A - "I still think a block
ade. We know enough about
the shortages . . . food . . .
oil . . . that if we put up a
blockade and enforced it, I
think we could do it without
the danger of war, giving the
Cuban people help in Sabo
tage, weapons ... If need
be actual military help, but
I don't think we'd have to go
that far. I asked Lemnitzer
(Gen. Lyman L. Lemnitzer,
former chairman of the Joint
Chiefs of Staff) and Taylor
(Gen. Maxvell D. Taylor, the
present chairman) if Russia
would defend Cuba. The an
swer was 'No, she wouldn't
. . .' she couldn't "
Q - How do you feel about
the 1964 election?
A - "If the country doesn't
start moving economically, it
will become obvious the peo
ple don't want Kennedy. I
thought a few months ago
that Kennedy would be im
possible to defeat. I don't
think so now."
Q - What about the Re
publican nomination?
A - "It's up for grabs and
I don't think the country is
confined to one or two or
three possibilities. I think the
House of Representatives of
fers a good collection of can
didates Republicans could
unite behind."
Q - How about your will
ingness to be on the ticket
with someone else?
A - "I don't want to be
vice president. It would be
ruinous to have the presiden
tial candidate speaking for
aid to education . . . medicare
. . . in one city and me speak
ing against it in another
I don't think it would attract
votes."
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MEDFORD, OREGON, MONDAY, MARCH 4, 1963
Legislators Open
Attack on Dropout
Problem in Schools
Sacramento lUPH Two leg
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tack on the problem of high
school dropouts.
Assemblyman Charles B.
Garrigiis (D-Rcecllcy) and Sen.
Robert J. Lugoinarxino (R
Vcnlura) propose ' joint legis
lation to establish technical,
agricultural and forestry
schools.
The schools would be de
signed to give basic vocational
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training to students who have
completed the eighth grade
and have demonstrated apti
tude for that type course. It
would affect students between
i: and 18 years of age.
Important Resource
"We often repeat that our
youth Is our most Important
resource and yet 50 per cent
of Californians over 21 years
of age have never graduated
from high school," Garrigus
said.
"This shows that we are
failing to make adequate use
o our youth and that our
present system of education
has serious flaws."
Lagomarsino poinlcd out
that young people who have
dropped o of high school
are faced with limited oppor
tunities and employment pros
pects for the remainder of
their lives because of lack of
training and skills.
"Often they end up as part
of the hard core of unem
ployed, on the welfare rolls or
involved in crime," he said.
"Many of these young peo
ple by aptitude or desire are
not educablc in the usual aca
demic sotting.
"Many, however, with spe
cial help can develop into the
skilled and trained workers so
desperately needed by our
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nology.
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vole of their electorate to es
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Stocks Reverse
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New York - 'I'M' - Stocks
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slide pattern early today by
moving slightly higher
Elrctroniis held the lure
front of the advance with
Canco up around Ji. Litton
up about 1. and RCA up
l ouuhly a point.
t'hryslcr tacked on nearly
1 1 j in a firm motor group
and Kmlak rose nearly
point Steels were narrowly
mixed Richardson Mcrrell
and Mcrvk rose around a
point apu-cc ill the drugs and
U S Smelting advicd close to
2 in tbc metals.
Some rails and airci-jtt
moved higher but a (cw foods
and tobaccos weakened. Pola
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lilacs and Xerox rose a iioinl
or more.
Foreign Briefs
SAIL FOR BRISBANE
Sydney, Australia-iuTli-A lirod looking Queen Elisabeth
and her husband ended a three day visit lo New South
Wales today and sailed on the royal yacht Britannia for
Brisbane.
Hundreds of small boats formed a passageway for the
hip to pass through. It is scheduled to arrive in Brisbane
Wednesday, where the royal couple are to spend three days
of their tour of Australia.
ILLEGITIMACY RATE INCREASES
London-ili'li-The illegitimacy rate in some areas of Eng
land and Wales has almost reached the wartime record, ac
cording to a statistical review to be published this week by
the government.
The review, informed sources said yesterday, says most
of the unmarried mothers were between 20 and 24 years
old and that 9 per cent of the live births in the industrial
town of Bristol last month alone were illegitimate.
PLANS RUSSIAN VISIT
Stoekholm-ilrMiwedish Foreign Minister Torsten Nilsson
will visit Russia at the invitation of Soviet Foreign Minister
Andrei Gromyko. according to the foreign office here. It
probably will occur in May.
COLONY IS DISCOVERED
Moscow-it Tli-The Russian magazine Science and Religion
said yesterday that an isolated colony of male and female
celibates who never heard of Premier Nikita S. Khrushchev
had been discovered in Siberian swamps.
II said members of the Christian "Black Magic River"
community spurned meat because they believed it increased
sexual desires. The men and women lived apart and never
washed or shaved, the magaiine said.
The magazine claimed the colony survived from the days
of the Csar by recruiting children from "the outside world."
Employees Stay on Job Without Pay
Olcan, N.Y.-itlNi-Thcrc is
one company where union
members are willing to work
for their employer without
compensation.
About 115 employees at the
Fibre Forming Corp. in this
community today started their
third week without pay.
They hope to help the com
pany ride out a period of
economic trouble.
Robert W. Easley, president
of the Local '22, American
Federation of Grain Millers,
said the workers made their
decision because "Olcan can't
afford to lose another indus
try- He praised the union
members for their loyalty to
the firm.
Company President Charles
Nolan said the workcre were
"the finest group of people
in the world."
OUTSTANDING WOMAN
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city councilman. Saturday
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annual Community Service
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gene Jaycec-ellcs.
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