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Flight o' Time
Medford and Jackson County
History from the files of The
Mail Tribune 10, 20, 30, 40
and 50 years ago.
10 YEARS AGO
Jan. 21, 1953 (Monday)
District Attorney Waller
Nunley has reaffirmed his
office's policy regarding en
forcement of gambling laws,
Including prohibition of
punchboards, ilot machinei,
console slot machines, me
chanical clock roulette de
vices and both five and three
ball machines which pay off
in free games.
December's monthly report
by the Medford police depart
ment listed 173 cases handled,
including one murder, accord
ing to Clateous McCredle, po
lice chief.
20 YEARS AGO
Jan. 21. liaa (Saturday)
Clyde Fichtner undergoing
training at gunneri mate
school at Naval Training Cen
ter, San Diego, can:.
From Arthur Perry's "Ye
Smudge Pot" column: "The
Older Girls started slicing
bread and thumbs the first of
the week, per orders from
Washington, D.C."
30 YEARS AGO
Jan. 21, 1933 (Monday) '
Pilot Harold R. Adams,
Medford, killed when mail
plane crashes at Eugene.
Ben Harrell, Medford, re
ceives athletic award for par
ticipation on West Point foot
ball team.
40 YEARS AGO
Jan. 21, 1923 (Tuesday)
Mali Jongg, "the new Chi
nese game," being demon
strated by "expert" at Med
ford gift shop.
City police warn local mo
torists to drive with caution
as city streets covered with
glaze of ice.
SO YEARS AGO
Jan. 21, 1913 (Thursday)
Medford police department
warns that curfew laws will
be strictly enforced after
many youths reported out
"after 11 o'clock at night.'
City schools reopen after
health officials state that
scarletina epidemic is over,
What's Your I.Q.?
Nine ot ran correct it superior:
seven or eihf Is escellent; fie et
lit is aood.
. A man who has two wives
at one time is a bigamist
what is a woman in the same
situation called?
2. What was moses' occupa
tlon?
3. With what industry was
Joseph Pulitzer connected?
1 4.. The head of which Euro
penn government bears the
title of Caudillo?
S. Is pure air visible to the
naked eye?
6. Arc the young of beavers
known as pups, calves, or
kits?
7. For what food product
is the village of Cheddar In
England famous?
ft. What Is the N. M. U.T
9. Tibet is bounded on the
sou Ih by Nepal, Burma, India
and what other country?
10. The Transvaal Is a prov
Incc of which country?
Answers: 1, A bigamist. 2.
Sheep-lender. 3, Newspaper,
4. Francisco Franco of Spain.
3. No. S. Kill. 7. Cheese, t.
National Marilima Union. 9,
Pakistan. 10. Union of South
Africa.
What It Costs
The essential facts about President Ken
nedy's budget are its size and why it is the size
it i. It is huge. $98.8 billion.
And what does the money go for? It goes for
wars, hot and cold, past, present and future.
: Of each tax dollar, 62 cents goes for national
defense, international programs and space re
search. Six cents goes for veterans' benefits, i
carry-over cost of past military programs. Ten
cents goes for interest on a debt that is so huge
because of wars and attempts to keep strong so
that there would be no war.
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A DD those up. It shows that 78 cents out of each
dollar goes for military or defense spending
or for the consequence or those.
This is necessary. No serious student of world
affaire would suggest that we could cut back veiy
much on this and still meet our obligations to this
generation and to future generations. However,
it is noteworthy that only 22 cents of the tax dol
lar goes to essentially constructive government
programs and 6 cents of that goes to agricul-
7 1 ,1 0
ture, largely in ine iorm oi economically ineiii'
cient subsidies.
Ah, for a world at peace. Eugene Register
Guard. ' '
Putting It In Its Place
James Roosevelt, son of the late President,
Democrat, elected for the third time to represent
the 26th District in the County of Los Angeles
of the State of California, has, for the past several
years, been one of the nation's staunchest advo
cates for the abolition of the infamous House un
American Activities Committee.
Steadily and slowly he has won the support
of a few of the Congressmen in his drive to put an
end to the violations of the First Amendment
which are inherent in the operations of the com
mittee.
Nevertheless, he has been unsuccessful. Too
many people, including Congressmen, apparently
feel that to speak out against a committee formed
to investigate un-American activities is, or would
be considered to be, un-American.
TESPITE the fact that the committee, on the
basis of its past performances, seems to be
dedicated to the continual harassment and ex
posure of law-abiding citizens and despite the
fact that it seeks to limit the basic freedoms of
speech and assembly, the committee seems des-
. i . i ty : l i r :l-
unea to strain nave sjuninessiuiiui approval oi us
actions thus strengthening Chairman trancis
Walter s contention that he and his committee
are doing the right thing.
Roosevelt was denied the opportunity of in-
4 J 1.-1-- !ii A. - TTTT A n
iroaucing a resolution in opposition to uie nufto
during the debate on House rules. He has, how
ever, gotten Walter's support in seeing to it that
it might come to the floor of the House at an
early date.
THE resolution, while calling for the abolishment-
nf the T-TTTAf. no it i ncesent.lv con.
ceived, proposes that the functions of the HUAC
be given to the House Judiciary- Committee to
make explicit the commitee's power to recom
mend legislation dealing with the punishment of
overt acts against the government such as treason,
sabotage and espionage.
This move, it seems to us, makes sense. It is
placing the responsibility where it belongs in
stead of in a committee which seems to have for
gotten that its purpose in the legislative branch
of our federal government is to recommend legis
lation not to carry on witch hunts. Coos Bay
World.
Lifting the Lamp
Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breath free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore,
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed, to me:
I lift my lamp beside the golden door.
This inscription for the Statue of Liberty,
New York Harbor, has a special pertinency in
January, when all aliens in the United States
must report their addresses to the Immigration
and Naturalization Service. Very close to 3,000,
000 aliens are expected to file address report
cards this year, as against 2,948,000 last January.
The increase reflects in part the influx of
refugees from Communist-controlled Cuba. A
Justice Department report shows 150,000 refu
gees from Cuba as of the first of this year, com
pared with 88,800 a year earlier.
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A ND even though the great waves of immigra-
from Europe are a thing of the past, nearly
100,000 Europeans charged to quotas take up
permanent residence in the United States every
year. Twice that number enter this country out
side their national quotas as candidates for na
turalization. The expected registration of 3,000,000 is all
the more remarkable when it is considered that
the law docs not apply to persons in diplomatic
status, those accredited to international organ
izations, and pci-sons admitted temporarily as
agricultural laborers. Willful non - compliance
with the registration law is punishable by a 30
day jail sentence, $200 fine and deportation.
But the Immigration and Naturaliziation
Service reports generally full compliance. Few
aliens wish to jeopardize their future in a country
that has given them sanctuary and the chance
for a new life. E.R.R.
"Thi. Kind Of Reekie. Talk Could Take The
World To The Brink Of Peace"
Washington Report
By William S. Whit
(c) United Feature Syndicate
DE GAULLE: TOO FAR
Washington - The most del-
leate problem in all politics,
whether national or interna
tional, is how
If
Nil- t
ft
to push a
I tough design
I of self - inter
est to the pre-
w m vioc (unit- u,
I reaching the
vHhL. k I m a x i m u m
V- ZJ I d o a s ible ad
vantage for it
without over-
whit. stepping ana
bringing disaster upon the
pusher himself.
This is tne ancient Drinx-
manship of public policy, and
in this brinkmanship success
and catastrophe may be sep
arated by the width of an eye
lash.
Not in decades has a states
man been so engaged in such
a fateful balancing act as is
now the case with President
Charles De Gaulle of France.
His months of playing about
with the British on the ques
tion of their entry into the
European common market
have now ended by his harsh
notice that, as of now, he
does not propose to let them
in at all on any livable terms.
If IS equally long months of
"playing about with the
Western military alliance, the
North Atlantic Treaty Organi
zation, have been ended by
equally harsh notice that,
again as of now, he will not
be satisfied by anything short
of total French "independ
ence" in an enterprise de
signed to be all for one and
one for all.
This is the meaning of his
curt rejection of President
Kennedys offer to him ot
what has already been accept
ed by the British - that is,
American help toward build
ing a national nuclear force
on the understanding that this
force would be geared Into the
common defense of all the
West.
This stony no-saying has
momentarily cast the whole
Western Association - eco
nomic and military - Into dis
array. General De Gaulle for
the moment is riding high on
his white horse of "grandeur."
All the same, It is far too
early for the West generally
to conclude that this able, de
voted - and vain - old French
man will have the last word
as well as the first.
fTRUE, the early innings
A have been his beyond ques
tion. By the mere constant
reasscrtion of a degree of
French "power" that really
does not exist, he has thus
far made almost a reality of
what is In fact largely a fic
tion. It has been a superb act
of illusion-making.
Already, however, there are
signs that he has gone too far
and that the great balance is
slowly toppling down against
his excessive demands. His
European associates in the
common market has' thus far
allowed him to lead it. But
his latest thrust at Britain has
been too much for them.
Italy, Belgium and Holland
don t like it. West Germany,
the home of his old political
associate. Chancellor Konrad
Adenauer, is not happy,
either.
If he persists in his deter
mination to use his own sole
veto against Britain's entry
into the common market,
there can be only one possible
ultimate consequence: the col
lapse of its unity and the rais
ing up of some alternative
arrangement, probably Initi
ally between the British and
the Italians, which will leave
him no longer the leader of
continental Europe.
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AND as to America's effort
to develop a common nu
clear defense within NATO,
the united States government
has no intention of halting
this plan simply because De
Gaulle will not play. If he
continues to scorn our nuclear
help on this basis, there is
nothing to say that Italy and
West Germany, not to men
tion Britain, wiU do so. It
is not against the law to by
pass him; and of this he will
surely become aware.
The safer bet, therefore.
still is that Western union will
yet survive, by a climb-down
by De Gaulle from that lofty
perch which has so long been
majestically successful for
him, but which has not be
come majestically dangerous
for him.
Foreign News: Italian Confidence Vote
Debated; Philippine s Borneo Claims
Br PHIL NEWSOM
UPI Foreign Mows Analyst
Notes from the Foreign
News cables:
Confidence Vote
Although tension between
Italian Premier Amintore
Fanfani's Christian Demo
crats and tne
left wing So-
cialists of
Pietro Nenni
is near the
breaking
point, the gov
ernment is ex
pected to sur
vive a vote
of confidence
1 wewsoas vote brought
by the Communists and sched
uled to be decided later this
week. Shortly afterwards,
however, President Antonio
Segni is expected to dissolve
parliament and call general
elections, .possibly for April
7 or 21, as the only way out
of an impasse. The ruling
Christian Democrats are split
into a center-left faction
which supports Fanfani, and
a moderate faction which is
cool to his pollclte. Chances
of survival are debatable. The
Socialists are also split into a
center-left wing led by Nenni
and strong pro-Communist
wing which opposes him.
Philippine Sovereignty
The Philippines will main
tain its claim to sovereignty
over British North Borneo in
talks with the British govern
ment starting in London this
Thursday. But the Filipino
delegates probably will set
tle for less say a lump sum
payment for waiving sover
eignty claims, along with
guaranteed membership for
the proposed Malaysia Feder
ation in the Southeast Asia
Treaty Organization. It is not
certain, however, that the
British will yield anything.
Berlin Tension
Don't look for any lessen
ing of the heat in the Berlin
crisis to result in any con
tacts or "deals" between the
East and West Germans. This
idea is in the deep freeze at
present. The West , German
feel that East German Red
boas Walter Ulbricht Is losing
ground. This, despite Soviet
Premier Niklta Khrushchev'
backalapplng and kissing dem
onstration with Ulbricht The
West Germans therefor ara
dead-set against any dealings
with him. The East Germans,
too, arc adamant.
Disarm am oat Talks
The outlook for the 17-na-tlon
disarmament talks ap
pears dim in the wake of Pre
mier Khrushchev's statement
that a Berlin settlement takes
precedence over a disarma
ment treaty. There even it
talk of recessing the Geneva
conference indefinitely until
the Russians five some Indi
cation they arc ready to da
some serious negotiating. So
far it is only talk. But mem
bers of delegations in Geneva
are half-ready to return hom
if there is more delay.
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Big Stick Needed
To the Editor: "We will not
tolerate any interference from
the Government. We will not
abide by any recommenda
tions made by any fact find
ing board appointed by the
United States Government.
We will not settle this strike
until all ot our demands have
been accepted."
Those were the words
spoken by one ef our labor
leaders, and I think they are
un-American.
I'd like to see the labor
leader who could have said
that to Theo'e Roosevelt
twice.
He would have cooked his
goose before he could have
finished his speech the first
time.
Everett Aeklin.
Ashland, Ore.
P. S. I think it's about time
some of our Union leaders
were hit with a big stick.
Ah-Lan'i Tooth
, To the Editor: Our reported
visitor from space would not
be so anxious to eat American
glass if he knew it is etched
with fluoride.
Why not save and dry egg
shells for him to eat? Being
rich in calcium it would be
so much better for his teeth.
Mary E. Atkin
1634 Orchard Home dr.
Medford
Strictly Personal
y Iy)ny J. Haiti
(e) rield Enterprises, Ine.
CULTURAL LAS
It takes a long time for the
habits and attitudes of a peo
ple to catch up to their tech
nology. This is what th soci
ologists call
"cultural lag,"
and nowhere
Is it more evi
dent than in
our vacation
patterns. Why
should chil
dren of today
be out of
school for
nearly three
months in the summer? This
custom began a century ago,
In the Day's News
By FRANK JENKINS
President Kennedy sent to
Congress last week the big
gest budget in United States
history a colossal 98 BIL
LION, 802 million dollar fi
nancial plan, which he said
would permit the efficient and
FRUGAL (yes, he used that
word) conduct of the public
business.
WHIS proposed b u d g e t for
-- next year is $499 million
MORE than the previous rec
ord bud Ret of $98,303,000,000
in WARTIME 1945.
Which is to say:
In this year of supposed
oeace. we nrnnnse tn iDpnd
halt a billion dollars more
than we spent in the final
year of the greatest war in our
history which was also the
greatest war In the history
of the world.
"Egger bearer Ireshman congressman. Wail'll hit first
bill gels bogged down In committee. That'll take th
bounce out el hit slepl"
And
At the same time
' Our President proposes lo
CUT TAXES.
TN ITS net results, President
Kennedy's budget for the
fiscal year 1964 (meaning his
estimate of what we will
spend and what we will take
in) will look like this:
Income .. $86,900,000,000
Spending 98,802,000,000
DEFICIT 11,902,000,000
pHlLLING thought:
In 1940, less than two
and a half decades ago. the
total expenditures ot the fed
eral government of the Unit
ed States were only $9,062,.
032,204. in the fiscal year
i4, expenditures will be
$98,802,000,000.
The DEFICIT In fiscal 1964
will be $2.8 BILLION MORE
than the ENTIRE OPERA
TING COST of the govern
ment of the United States on.
ly 24 years ago.
INTERESTING question:
WHITHER ARE WE
BOUND?
A NOTHER chilling thought:
Back In 1940. only two
and a half decades ago, the
total expenditures of the fed
eral government of the Unit
ed States were only a trifle
more than nine billion dol
lars. At the end of fiscal year
1964, the national debt of
the United States is expected
to be $315 billion, 604 mil
lion. And, by that time, interest
on the national debt, it is an
ticipated, will amount to more
than the entire expenditures
of the federal government
back in 1940.
IN conclusion:
It's quite a world we're
living in. isn't it?
One can't help wondering
what Benjamin Franklin
would have thought of it all
if he could have foreseen the
fiscal situation of th 1960's. ,
when we were a rural nation
and the children were needed
to help with the important
farm work in the decisive
months.
This necessity has long
sine passed, but the vacation
pattern persists, even though
our public schools are over
crowded, and a one-month va
cation in the summer is long
enough for any child.
On ih adult level, new
rnede i transportation ar
just beginning te crack th
traditional patterns of va
cationing. I know a number
of doctors, for instance,
who now take month oft
very year divided into
four parieda ef 10 day
ch.
They hv found that a
whole year is too long to
wait; tension build up, fe
iigu sots in, and efficiency
falls off. So each spring,
tall, winter and summer,
they lake off for 10 days.
With Jet planes, they can go
farther and do more in a
week than their parents
could hav in whole
month.
Physically and mentally
both, relatively short peri
odic vacations ar moro re
juvenating than en long
on. Most people returned
exhausted from protract
ed summer vacation, in
which they tried furiously
to make up for th lassitude
of the rest of th year. It is
comparable to the person
who starves himself all day
and then eats an enormous
meal at night when throe
or four light meals aver the
same period are met
healthful.
e
The same cultural lag per
sists In our daily working hab
its. People used to go to bed
at 9 p.m.; nowadays it is clos
er to midnight. Yet the bulk
of workers still arise at 7 a.m.,
and most jobs begin at 8:30 or
9 in the morning - and the
first hour or so is largely
wasted.
It would make much more
sense to begin at 10 a.m. (ex
cept, perhaps, on the produc
tion line), and I am convinced
that just as much work would
be done if not more. Most
modern urban workers don't
get enough sleep during the
week, as attested to by the
staggering amounts of coffee
they must drink in the morn
ing before they can function
properly.
Much of American society
Is still geared to a rural 19th
century rhythm awkward and
obsolescent. Seventy per cent
of the American people live in
urban complexes, but our
work habits and school habits
remain dominated by outmod
ed customs. W would not per
mit our machinery to so long
outlast their original purpos.
Smoking
To the Editor: Also to teen
age boys and girls in particu
lar, and to all whom it may
concern: "Dr. Alton Ochaner,
world's most famous lung sur
geon, said: 'If there were one
tenth the evidence that the
Brooklyn Bridge is unsafe,
that there is that smoking
causes cancer, the bridge
would be closed In 24
hours!""
By the way, although I
don't car particularly tor
comic strips, I do like Buzz
Sawyer. Wanna know why?
He does not smokel Other
people depicted in the pC
tures may smoke, but NEVER
good al' Buzz! Or Christy!
And I'll "betcha" Pepper
never will, either!
Hazel A. Nelson
1016 Stevens st.
Medford
Seeds
To the Editor: What part of
Genesis 2 or 3 could be fa
ble? There is God, Adam,
Eve, serpent, life, death, sin,
sorrow, trees, weeds, sweat,
Cherubims. Will you accept
what you see and call all that
you cannot see fable, and dis
regard proof which God gives
in scriptures; in mathematical
laws of nature; and through
the living Christ? Can you
disregard the testimony of
many who have daily fellow
ship with Christ? Three hon
orable witnesses could con
demn a man to death in a
court of law.
God uses the natural things
which we can see to describe
spiritual things which we can
not see. Adam's family tree
can be traced to Christ. The
written record stops there be
cause God declared in Gene
sis 3:15 that the seed of th
woman would bruise the ser
pent' head. Christ was the
Seed that conquered sin,
death and the devil.
Many graves bear their
own testimony to the reality
of physical death. Would any
deny that we return to dust?
Yet God permitted physical
death to warn us against
spiritual death.
Likewise, God has given
us the seed to portray the
resurrection. Soon innumer
able seeds will be planted to
die and to bring forth a more
glorious type of life. "For as
in Adam all die, even so in
Christ shall be made alive."
I Cor. 1S:22.
"But some men will say.
How are the dead raised up?
and with what body do they
come? Thou fool, that which
thou sowest, is not quickened,
except it die: And that which
thou sowest, thou sowest not
that body shall be, but bare
grain, it may chance of
wheat, or of some other
grain; But God giveth it a
body as it hath pleased Him,
and to every seed his own
body ... So Is also the res
urrection of the dead. It is
sown in corruption; it is
raised in incorruption: It is
sown in dishonour; it is raised
in glory: It is sown in weak
ness; it is raised in power:
It is sown a natural body;
it is raised a spiritual body.
There is a natural body, and
there Is a spiritual body."
I Cor. 15: 35 to 38 and 42
to 44.
If the spiritual which we
cannot see is more glorious
than the natural, let us not
deny these "unseen atoms of
spiritual things" which give
ample proof of existence.
Thanking you for permit
ting me to not agree with
you.
Thclma Malott
1691 South Peach st.
Medford.
Logic
To the Editor: Recently in
these columns (MT 1-13-63)
my contributions were ridi
culed as being irrelevant and
a strong inference made that
I hate my fellowman. Such
a response from the fountain
of brotherhood indicates the
shallowness of It. Apparently
my fellow contributor has
never been able to hate the
sin and love the man.
If Christian people have be
come so timid, complacent and
self-satisfied that they no
longer can rise up in righteous
indignation in protest of In
human and ungodly acta be
cause of fear ot being judged,
then we hav really reached
the ebbtide of Christian in
fluence. Where is the spirit
which enabled the early
church to survive in the face
ot obstacles the like ot which
present day Christian have
never thought of having to
face? Where is the courage
that enabled the apostle Paul
to say, "For I am not ashamed
of the Gospel of ChrU! for it
is the power of God unU sal
vation."1 The lack of this spirit is
what makes our Christianity
so pallid when compared to
that of the early church. Th
lack of this spirit is also evi
dent in the actions ot our na
tion. During the past 26 year
our policies of appeasement
and catering to the will of
the UN have gained us noth.
ing but the plaudits of our
enemies and rebuffs from our
friends. We have not becom
the second-rate military that
John F. Kennedy predicted,
it now seems we were never
in danger of this, but we hav
certainly come out as a sec
ond-rate power in diplomacy
and use of common sense.
A certain fellow contribu
tor to this column claims to
know all he needs to about
communism and says he op-,
poses it as much as I do but
still wants to just co-exist.
Our chances of co-existing
with communism are like
those of a patient co-existing
with a deep-seated cancer.
Read Senator Goldwater'a
book and ask yourself, why
can't we win and extend free
dom to others? Have we truly
become the nation of sheep
as some have suggested? If
so then I know one of us, who
though claiming vast experi
ence and scholarship has had
the wool pulled over hi eyes,
James K. Shafer
Route 2, Box 210X
Medford.
TV Leg Improved
To the Editor: The new set
up for TV programs is a great
improvement over the old on
easy to pick out programs.
Please keep it as it is now.
This program is the main rea
son for taking the paper. I
like communications, or let
ters to the editor, also a good
section.
I did not get a card to you
when you asked people if ra
dio programs were desirable.
Better late than never to
write. Thank you.
Mrs. Horace Failing .
Eagle Point, Ore.
Woman ef the Bible
To the Editor: A man in
Friday, Jan. 11, Tribune
thinks a letter written earlier
wasn't In good taste. Perhaps
he is right, but it's not imag
ination, but simple truth, and
truth can hardly be libelous,
God, the Creator, didn't hava
the faith in woman this one
man has, and God created
them.
Proverbs, Ch. 6 24 through
34, God warns man of the
evil woman, the flattery ot
her tongue, the fluttering ot
her eyelids, which is a useless
toy to man. Proverbs, Ch. 14:
I, A foolish woman will tear
down a house with her hands.
Ecclesiastes Ch. 21 9, God said
it would better for man to
dwell on a corner ot th
house-top than in a wide
house with a brawling wo
man. This is the barking,
snarling canine, vicious and
snarling woman. Ecclcsiastes
Ch. 7 V. 26. It is more bitter
than death, the woman whose
heart is a snare and trap
with her hands; he who
pleases God will flee from
her. Here is your cheating
woman. Proverbs Ch. 7 V 10
through 13, the woman with
subtle heart is loud and stub
born, her feet abideth not in
her house, she lay in "wait
for men to come by. Here
is your ape-like woman.
Reading on, "She caught him
and kissed him with impu
dence in her face. Or could
this be cat - like? Proverbs,
Ch. 21. V-19, It s better to
live alone in the wilderness
than with an angry woman.
Proverbs Ch. 9 V. 13. Th
foolish woman is clamcrous,
and simple, and knoweth
nothing. Here is the sluggard
in indolence and ignorance;
a lazy woman. Proverbs, Ch.
22 V-14, The mouth of wo
man Is a deep pit and men
fall into it. whereoy he is
bought by a piece of bread.
First Tim., Ch. 4 V. 3 and
4, Women who forbid to
marry and will not eat meat
which God hath created for
them. Every creation of God
is good and to be received
with Thanksgiving, tor it Ij
sanotified by the word of
God.
E. Dykes
Eagle Point, Ore.
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