Uppmann Interview
'' Insists Rockefeller
force Behind Kennedy
f Continued from naaei 11
I Interjected the remark
that the final decisions would
ho mnifo hv thn President.
But Khrushchev1 insisted that
the forces behind the Presi-
dent would determine his pol
icy. These forces behind the
Kennedy administration he
summed up in the one word
"Rockefeller." The view that
he is running the Kennedy
administration will be news
to Governor - Rockefeller. I
should add that Khrushchev
considers me a Republican,
which will be news to Richard
. Nlvnn.
Then we got onto the sub
: Ject of nuclear,, testing. He
aA that the Western powers
' were not ready , to conclude
an agreement, and that this
was shown, among other
things, by the demand for 21
or perhaps ,19 Inspections a
year. -He had been led per
sonally to believe that the
West would be satisfied with
about three "symbolic" in
nortlnnn Nineteen lnsoec-
tlons, ; our present demand,
were nothing but a demana
tnr the rteht to conduct com
plete reconnalsance of the So
viet Union. '
Won't Tt Underground
. T nah-aA htm alimit hlfi .at
tttnHo towards underground
testing. He replied that the
' USSR, has never done any
underground testing and nev
er .uMl. I asked whv? Because.
he said, we do not see any
value In small tactical atomic
weapons. If it comes to war,
We shall use only the biggest
. weapons. The smaller ones are
very expensive and they can
decide nothing. The fact that
they are expensive doesn't
bother, you because you don't
care what you spend and,
what is more, many of your
generals are connected with
big business. But in the USSR
we have to economize, and
tactical weapons are a waste.
I report this without hav
ing the technical expertise to
comment on It.
Then' he went on to say
that the second reason why
he had no great hopes of an
agreement was that the French
are now testing and are un
likely to sign the agreement.
It is obvious, he said, ihat
if the French are not in the
agreement, they will do the
testing for the Americans. To
which, I said, and the Chinese
will do the testing for you.
He paused and then said that
this was a fair remark. But,
he added, while China is mov
ing in the direction where
she will be able to make tests,
she is not yet able to make
them. When the time comes
that she can, there will be a
new problem. We would like
all states to sign a nuclear
agreement.
Finally, he came to his third
reason why an agreement may
not be possible. It turns on
the problem of the adminis
trator of the agreement. Here,
he was vehement and unquali
fied. He would never accept
a single neutral administra
tor Why? Because, he said,
while there are neutral coun
tries, there are no neutral
men. You would not accept a
Communist administrator and
I cannot accept a non-Communist
administrator. I will nev
er entrust the security of the
Soviet Union to any foreigner.
We cannot have another Ham-
marskjold,: no matter where
he comes, from among the
neutral countries.
No Impartial Servant
I found this enlightening.
It was plain to me that here
is a new dogma, that there
are no neutral men. After all
the Soviet Union had accept
ed Trygve Lie and Hammar-
skjold. The Soviet government
has now come to tne conclu
sion that there can be no such
thing as an impartial civil
servant in this deeply divided
world, and that the kind of
political celibacy which the
British theory of the civil
service calls for is in interna
tional affairs a fiction. This
new dogma has long conse- j
quences, It means that there
can be international coopera
tion only if, in the adminis
tration as well as in the policy
making, the Soviet Union has
a veto.
Our talk went on to Cuba,
Iran, revolutionary move
ments in general, and finally
to Germany. I shall report on
these topics in subsequent ar
ticles. (c) 19B1 New York Herald
Tribune Inc.
Doukhobors Burn
Autos in. Disgust
Crestova, B.C.--BrItIsh
Columbia's radical. Sons of
Freedom Doukhobors burned
11 of their own cars Sunday
in a gesture symbolizing dis
gust at luxurious living.
About 300 members of the
extremist sect looked on while
the cars were driven Into a
field outside Crestova and set
afire. , t
Royal Canadian ' Mounted
Police said about a dozen of
the Freedomlntes undressed
partly or completely during
the- proceedings. - - '
the Freedomites undressed
the car-burning as a symbol
of renunciation of luxury.
PACKS WALLOP
Windsor, Ont, - (UPD - Pam
ela Pelzer, 16, ' won't forget
the kiss she got Saturday
night from Stanley . White.
White, 18, Isn't likely to for
get either. White was charged
Sunday with careless driving
because his auto wandered
across the street and crashed
into a parked car while he
was kissing his date. ' .
NOW YOU KNOW,
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The Golden Rule of doing
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them do to you was first
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' MEDFORD, OREGON, MONDAY, APRIL 17, 1961
Most Legislative'
Work Near Point of
Making or Breaking
Salem (UPD - Ideas were
at the point of jelling or shat
tering on most of the session's
major work as the 1961 legis
lature entered what it hopes
is its next to last week today.
Legislative leaders who ear
lier pushed for adjournment
April 22 conceded it would
be nearer the end of April
before must items are finished
off-one way or another.
The agenda for final action
by one or both houses ' this
week includes the big issues
Riders Deliver
Mail To Portland
Portland-IIIPD-The mall ar
rived safely from Astoria Sun
day. A group of riders from the
sesqulcentennial - -' observing
coastal city arrived here about
2 p.m. with : greetings from
Mayor Harry Steinbock of As
toria and a packet of mail.
The riders spent Saturday
night at St. Helens. They were
escorted into Portland by
members of the Multnomah
County Sheriff's Posse. .
The Astoria postoff ice.' is the
oldest west of the Mississippi
river. :
Jackie Coogan Nabbed
On Drunk Charge
Mallbu, Calif. -fllPD - Jackie
Coogan, who was "a silent
movie star as a child and play
ed in "The Kid'' with Charlie
Chaplin, was booked at the
Malibu sheriff's substation
Sunday on a charge of drunk
enness. The 46-year-old Coogan was
released on $105 ball.
' A narcotics charge against
him was 'dropped last month
because of lack of evidence.
of offshore oil exploration,
legislative -reapportionment,
daylight saving time, the As-toria-Megler
bridge, and tim
ber taxation.
Committees must give fi
nal verdicts on large budg
ets for education, higher ed
ucation and welfare, and on
tax reform, school support,
mental health clinics, commu
nity colleges, medica-e, labor,
utility duplication, and the
death penalty.
Lack of committee action
will kill many bills.
The . haphazard note that
usually appears during the
session's-end rush is com
pounded by an absence of
pre-established positions and
party bonds that otherwise
might hold lawmakers firm
on many measures.
It is apparent some pet
projects, ranging from reor
ganization and tax -reform to
fish hatcheries, will have to
win or trade ' more support
in order to pass.
Small Upside Edge
For Stock Market
j New York '- (UPD - Electron
ics, motors and steels gave a
small upside edge to the stock
market this morning.
IBM gained around 6 points
in a strong business , equip
ment group with Kerr-McGee,
Haveg and American Broad
casting - Paramount up to
around 3.
; United Fruit and Cuban
American Sugar rose close to
2 points in response to fight
ing in Cuba. Other strong spe
cial situations' were Ronson,
Spiegel, Perkin-Elmer, Inter
state Department Stores and
Certain-Teed, Varian, Kern
County Land and Ampex.
General Involved in Dispute
Over Birch Society Relieved
Washington -flJPD-Maj. Gen.
Edwin A. Walker, involved in
a dispute over the John Birch
society, today was relieved of
his command in Germany
pending an investigation.
Army Secretary Elvis Stahr
Jr., announced he had ordered
Walker transferred from com-
Local Men Elected
Directors of IFA
Portland - Two Medford
men were elected state direct
ors of the Industrial Forestry
association at the 27th annual
meeting In Portland Friday.
They are E. ,W. Pease and
S. V. McQueen.'-
'The tree farm area of west
ern Oregon and Washington's
douglas fir belt passed the
six million acre mark last
week with certification of 87,
410 acres.
Additions . totaling 55,228
acres to previously certified
tree farms were approved at
the conference. The West
Coast Tree farm area now
stands at 6,063,895 acres, or
45 per cent of the region's
private forests.
McKenzie Parade
Attracts Big Crowd
Sprinngfield, Ore. - (UPD -Some
15,000 persons watched
from the banks of the Mc
Kenzie river Sunday as more
than 200 river boats took part
in the 23rd annual White Wa
ter Boat Parade. ,
About 500 persons took part
in the actual 20-mile trip.
There were numerous mis
haps with many of the small
boats tipping over. But the
passengers all wore lifejapkets
and were hauled from the wa
ter safely.
One of those taking part
was Rear Adm. Georg. C.
Towner, commandant of the
13th Naval District.
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mand of the 24th infantry di
vision in Germany to U.S.
Army European headquarters
at Heidelberg.
' The transfer to that head
quarters was made "pending
the outcome of an official in
vestigation of certain public
statements and actions of Gen1
eral Walker."
Walker recently 'was ac
cused by the service publica
tion, Overseas Weekly, of aim
ing a "propaganda barrage"
at his men about the ultra
conservative, anti-Communist
Birch society. ' . .
The investigation is in
charge of Gen. Bruce Clarke,
U.S. Army commander in Eu
rope, who was ordered by
Stahr to relieve Walker.
There was no indication
what effect Stahr's action
would have on a previously
scheduled transfer in which
Walker was to take command
next August of the 8th Corps,'
an Army Reserve headquar
ters, at Austin, Tex.
Walker, 50, commanded the
federal troops President Eis
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Ark., in 1957 to enforce inte
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