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SUBS OF THI FUTURE This is the first photo of the Navy's two atomic-powered
submarines Seawolf fleft) and Nautilus (right), at the dock of their builder, the Electric
Boat Division of the General Dynamics Corp, at Groton, Conn. Six more nuclear subs
hgye jeen authorized and one is already under construction.
Scientific Way To Win Argument
Declared Yet To Be Discovered
By DELOS SMITH
United Press Science Editor
New York U.R) Scientists
(peeking the means with which
people can influence other peo
ple into changing their minds
have concluded that there is not
yet a sure-fire, scientific way of
winning an argument.
Two scientists at the Univer-
' sity of Illinois experimented at
length with the minds of 7530
oung Air Force recruits and 400
hieh school students. They be
gan their experiments with
theory, which was:
If you're going to change
somebody's mind you must (1)
egive him an argument which ap-
Baptist Church is
Scene of Ceremony
For Ordination
The Rev. Kenneth Raymond
was ordained to the ministry at
services held in the Medford
First Baptist church last week.
Mr. Raymond is the on of
Mr. and Mrs. Ralph Raymond,
2848 Table Rock rd., and will
be an associate professor on the
faculty of Northwestern Uni
versity Seminary for the com
ing school year. .
The Rev. Wolford A. Dawes,
Redmon, a former pastor of the
" Medford church, gav the charge
to the ministry candidate. The
charge to the candidate's church
and the evening message was
given by the Rev. Victor Ernest,
and the ordination prayer by the
QRev. Paul Anderson, Selma.
Olhert Participate
Other pastors.participating in
the ordination council and ser
vice included Dr. J. Charles
lSacDonald, Grants Pass; the
Rev. Freeman Schmitt and the
Rev. Charles Myers, Klamath
p,Falls; and the Rev. Glen Wade,
White City 1
Earlier in the day, 15 mes
sengers from eigh churches met
for the examination of Mr. Ray-
mond, the Rev. James W. Neely
serving as moderator.
The candidate gave, a state
ment of his Christian experience
and call to the ministry, and a
report on his educational quali
fications. He has a junior certi
f icate from Southern Oregon
college, a bachelor of arts de
gree, and one year of graduate
work at Oregon State college,
and a bachelor of divinity de
gree from Northwestern Semin
ary, Minneapolis, Minn.
peals, which (2) does not rouse
too many "discounting tender
cies", such as oh, that's a lot of
nonsense, and which (3) is read
ily understandable.
Counter Arguments
It's a sound theory, as anyone
can see. But for every argument
there is a counter-argument
which, of course, is dominating
the mind you want to change.
The problem of the scientists was
how to deal with the counter
argument.
Should you ignore the counter
argument altogether. Should
you acknowledge that it exists
and merely indicate that it is no
good? Of should you spell out
the counter argument in detail
and try to destroy it part by
part?
They tried all these ways and
found that all were effective to
a degree the degree had to be
measured statistically. But they
couldn't be positive as to which
was more effective than the
others.
With the high school youths,
refuting the counter-argument
roused more "discounting ten-
But with the recruits, refuting
or not refuting seemed to make
no difference..
Reduce Effectiveness
Spelling out the counter argu
ment seemed to lessen the
chances of changing the youth
ful minds. This was dangerous
the scientists said, because: "The
inclusion of 'facts on the other
side' with which members of
the audience are not already fa
miliar will tend to strengthen
their position, thereby reducing
the effectiveness of the persua
sive appeal."
They conducted their experi
ments in the spring of 1953. The
argument they were urging was
that it was correct to limit the
Korean War, which was a hotly
controversial question then. By
complex and precisely scientific
questionaires, they had found
out that recruits and high school
students alike did not believe in
a limited war.
Since their measurements of
results were elaborate, , it has
taken all this time to add them
up and present the totals to
other psychologists in a techni
dencies" in their minds than ig- cal journal of the American
noring the counter argument. Psychological Association
As We Live
By ELIZABETH HURLOCK. PH.D.
(S)
Chrysler Strike
Deadline Hearing
Detroit (U.R) Contract talks
between Chrysler Corp., and the
CIO United Auto Workers Union
today appeared headed right
day strike deadline for 139,000
down to the midnight Wednes
employees. Prospects of down to the wire
bargaining sessions were height
en ened shortly before yesterday's
: special session when Emil Mazey
I pointel out to newsmen that in
: the past Chrysler and the union
have had to resort to "11th hour"
; meetings to avert companywide
walkouts.
'- Mazey, UAW secretary-treasurer
and one of the union's chief
negotiators, said at least a dozen
issues threatened to hold up the
settlement before the current
five-year contract expires at
midnight-Wednesday.
He confirmed that one of the
major unresolved issues was a
union demand that unionized of
fice workers be included in
Chrysler's guaranteed wage of
fer. The company claims that
no such plan is needed for white
collared workers because they
are not subject to the seasonal
layoffs which plague th auto
mobile industry during model
( changeover and inventory shutdowns.
IMPROVING APPEARANCE
BUILDS SELF-CONFIDENCE
A good looking person rarely
lacks self-confidence, while a
homely one is likely to- be shy
and retiring.
(Q) "My problem is my 19-
year-old daughter. She is very
shy and self-conscious. Because
of this, she
doesn'i make
friends easily.
Boys rarely ask
her for a sec
ond date. I
don't know
what she does
or says, but it
is obvious that
she does not
Dr. Hvrloek make a hit.
She is so self-conscious that I am
afraid the boys find her boring.
She is not good-looking, though
she could be if she paid more
attention to her looks. I am al
ways after her to do something
about her skin. It is very oily,
and she has blackheads over her
nose and forehead. Nothing I
say seems to do any good. The
girls she goes with are much
more careful of their looks than
she, and they don't seem to have
any trouble gelling dates. What
can I do when my daughter won't
listen to me?"
(A) Why not talk to some of
your daughter's best friends in
strict confidence, of course and
ask, them to help you? You have
certainly discovered by now
that a teenager will take advice
from his friends much more
readily than from a parent.
Until your daughter does
something to improve her looks,
don't look for an improvement
in her manner. Her self-consciousness
and lack of poise are
caused by or certainly aggra-
BODIES SOUGHT
Hong Kong (U.R) Police to
day searched for more bodies in
a flash-flooded stream which
drowned at .least 21 Chinese
teen-agers on a picnic outing. Po
lice said the youngsters were
swept away Sunday when a dam
collapsed in a cloudburst, and
sent a flood-wall down the
stream.
vated by her appearance.
If her friends could persuade
her to consult a doctor about
her skin and then follow his ad
vice about diet and skin care,
her face should improve very
quickly. Once your daughter
sees an improvement in her com
plexion, she will be more inter
ested in clothes and grooming,
and her self-confidence and poise
will increase.
(Copyright 1955, General
Features Corp.)
Fish Expert Advises
Anglers on Casting
Ann Arbor, Mich. (U.R)
A University of Michigan fish
ing expert today advised anglers
to look at fishing through the
eyes of a fish.
"You'd never find a hunter
sitting in one spot all day,"
said Karl F. Lagler, department
of fisheries chairman, "yet look
at how many fishermen just sit
and wait for the fish to come to
them."
He advised anglers who really
want to catch fish to begin cast
ing the shoreline with a floating
diving lure. If the water is clear,
he said, start the lure moving
the second it hits the water. But
if the water is cloudy, Lagler
said let the bait stay still for
five or 10 seconds before reeling
it in.
"This gives the fish time to
find what caused the splash if
visibility isn't good," he said.
'If shoreline casting doesn't
net any results, Lagler said to
cast a sinking bait into deeper
water. Then, if the fish still
are eluding you, he advised
working the heavier, cover, like
lily pads with a slow sinking
lure and a steady retrieve.
"The big ones didn't get big
through being thoughtless or
stupid and they'll give you . a
wide berth if you approach
noisily and silhouette yourself
against the sky," Lagler said.
"Be quiet, unobstrusive, and
as much like a fish as possible,
if you really want loaded lines."
Dead line Sunday Classified la at
noon Saturday: 10 am. Monday for
Monday: other days 5:30 previous day.
Agriculture officials say about
350 plant diseases do extensive
.damage to farm crops each year.
&
Added to this are 700 insect
types thaprey on farm crops.
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Television Panel Shows
'Phony Producer of Many
Says; Panelists Contradict
New York (U.R) Are TV
panel shows genuine or phony?
Are panel experts as. brilliant as
they seem or are they supplied
with answers and ad-libs in ad
Vance? 'Vnony," says Kermit Schafer,
a former producer of 14 panel
and giveaway shows.
"Basically honest," say the
panelists themselves.
Schafer, whose most successful
panel show, "Quick on the
Draw," ran on NBC-TV and Du
Mont for five years, says: "You
just can't run a panel or quiz
show successfully without some
planted answers and ad-libs.
"It was true of every show
I've ever, worked with and from
what I know, is true of many of
the panel and question-and-an-swer
games today."
'Demanded Answers'
Schafer showed this reporter
a list of more than 200 names
many of them prominent panel
ists and moderators on TV shows
today.
"All of these people appearedj
on my show at one time or an
other," Schafer said. "I would
say that in about 90 per cent of
the cases, the individuals not
only received, but demanded,
answers to questions."
Individual panelists, however,
pooh-poohed Schafer's charges.
Dorothy Kilgallen said: "I
have been on 'What's My Xine'
for over five years and nobody
has ever given me a planted
answer, a planted hint, a planted
clue or even a potted plant. If
your panel consists of good game
players, you would only impede
their playing skill if you asked
them to remember concocted
questions and hints."
Gene Raeburn of "Make the
Connection" and once a panelist
on "The Name's the Same" said:
"Sure, they slant a few ad-libs,
but that doesn't detract from
the honesty or genuineness of
the show it's part of the enter
tainment.. As for the answers, at
least on all the shows I've been
on, nobody has ever been tipped
off." .
Judged on Entertainment
Schafer, commenting on an
other angle, said: "A show is not
judged on the game or gimmick
alone, but on the entertainment
it provides. What I tried for on
my shows and what most shows
try for, is a kind of organized
confusion. It's ' dishonest and
phony, but necessary."
. But Fred Allen, a panelist on
"What's My Line," couldn't see
this at all. "All you need for a
panel show," said Allen, "are
four people and some lumber
for them to sit on. If you have as
a guest a fellow who works in,
say, a turkish bath, it's only nat
ural .that you're going to get
questions that sound funny. .'
Schafer also contended that no
celebrity wanted to look bad in
front of a large audience. "You
can't blame a prominent person
ality for wanting to avoid em
barrassment by being supplied
with some answers and ad-libs,"
he said.
But from Bennett Cerf , panel
ist on "What's My Line," same
this rejoinder: "You can be sure
that phoniness doesn't exist, at
least on ouf show, precisely be
cause all of us are in the public
eye. We wouldn't stand for it."
Monday, August 29, 1955
MEDFORD (OREGON) MAIL TRIBUftB 9VE
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FIRST IN LINE As Bank of Nevada President S. L. But
terfield opens doors of a new branch on the famous hotel
strip in Las Vegas, Nev., Iili St. Cyr is there and waiting
with her "paycheck" to be the first depositor.-
I.IGHTNING BREAKS. TOOTH
Berkeley Springs, W. Va.
(U.R) Workman Heber Hobday
said he was holding a nail in his
mouth when a bolt of lightning
struck the back porch of a home
where he was working and it
cost him a tooth. He said the
bolt banged the nail into his
tooth, breaking . the tooth. He
was not otherwise injured.
NOTICE!
Medford Ambulance Service
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Baker, Ore. (U.R) An elderly
prospector has gone into a gold
mining partnership with this
eastern Oregon city. City coun
cil members approved an un
identified prospector's plea .to
be allowed to work the 100-year-old
Nelson Placer Mine six
miles west of here, which is on
land owned by the city. The
miner promised the city 15 per
cent of the poke he, hopes to
acquire through hand mining
methods.
Besides setting the all-time
mark of 60 home runs in 1927,
Babe Ruth won the American
League home run title in 10
other years and shared it once.
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