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Twenty-Seventh Year
.MEDFORD, OREGON, THURSDAY, OCTOBER 6, 1932
No. 168.
DLJ J'f S
GOODWILL FLIERS LOST AT SEA
OF
Pear Markets
- The Weather
Fancut: Tonight and Friday,
showers and cooler.
Temperature:
Hlfheet yeaterday 1
Lowest this morning 65
si e
Comment
on the
Day's News
By FRANK JENKINS.
, ryHEY'RE telling this one on a real
1 dent of the Willamette valley:
"I havent voted tor the laat atx or
eight years." he Is reported to have
said, "but I'm going to register ana
vote thla year. My boy la SO years
old. and be never has voted.
"We're both going to register ana
vote this year, and we're both going
to vote for Roosevelt. TEDDY made
good president before, and he'll
I: .J again."
TUST how many people In this vast
al country, do you suppose, will vote
for Franklin DeLano Roosevelt this
fall under the Impression that they
are voting for Teddy Roosevelt?
-
T SEEMS to this writer, who expects
tl to vote for Hoover, that in the past
couple or weeKs noover sentiment w
gaining while Roosevelt sentiment Is
slipping a little.
Is that because of HOPE that such
Is the case, or have you noticed some
thing of the sort?
AT ANY RATE, In the past couple
of weeks, this writer has heard
more people say they are going to
vote for Hoover and fewer people say
they are going to vote for Roosevelt
than was the case before that time.
CANDOR, however, compels the ad
mission that if the election were
to be held tomorrow Roosevelt would
probably carry Oregon. But there are
reasons for believing that sentiment
Is changing somewhat, and It may be
that It will change enough more be
tween now and November 8 that
Hoover will carry the state.
People who remember the hard
campaign of 1898 say that in Septem
ber and early October Bryan was dls
" tlnctly In the lead, so far as could
be Judged by the way people talked;
yet In November McKlnley carried
the country by a fairly heavy ma
jority. THIS statement was made In this
writer's hearing the other day by
a man whose opinions are conserva
tive and well thought out, and there
fore carry quite a little weight among
his acquaintances:
"If Hoover Is elected this fall, I'm
Inclined to think that we shall see
a much sharper upturn In the way
of business recovery than most peo
ple are expecting. Conditions are
fundamentally favorable, and con
siderable Improvement Is already ap
parent. Hoover's election will give
people confidence that this Improve
ment will continue, and they will be
Inclined to step out and do something.
"If Roosevelt Is elected, on the
I other hand, they will be Inclined to
' WAIT AND SEE. This waiting will
mean a setback to business recovery."
THAT Is a fair and accurate state
ment of a condition that un
doubtedly exists. People know about
Hoover. They dont know about
Roosevelt. While they are FINDING
OUT about htm, they will hold up
their plans for business expansion.
Holding lip plans for business ex
pansion will check the process ot
nuslness recovery.
THE OTHER DAY thl Portland
chamber of commerce was host at
Its weekly forum luncheon to a dele
gation from Southern Oregon, whose
purpose was to tell Oregon's largest
city all about Oregon's most promis
ing section. J ,.
a Augle Johnsen, of Medford, who
presided at this luncheon, left his of
fice at 8 o'clock In the morning,
flew to Portland, arrived in plenty
of time to discharge his duties as
chairman at noon, flew back to Med
ford in the afternoon and waa hard
at work in his office again at 4:00
o'clock.
We're living In a world In which
distance no longer cuts much of a
figure, aren't we?
TO! PORTLAND people heard this
statement:
Because the bulk of tourist travel
let's say "guest" travel; it sounds
better comes from the south, South
ern Oregon receives these guete first,
and reliable figures show that 60 per
cent of them do not get north of
Roseburg; thla of course being true
because of ehortage of time, Cali
fornia vacations, on the average, being
limited to two weeks. Just as Oregon
vacatlona are.
And Southern Oregon, which en-
(Continued on Pag Four)
T
Poor Health Believed Cause
of Deed In Business
Here for Many Years
Had Large Land Holdings
Ray Toft, for many years In busi
ness In this city, and one of the
county's largest property owners,
committed suicide this afternoon at
his home at Jacksonville, according
to a report received by Couuty Cor
oner H. W. Conger about 3 o'clock.
Toft, who had been In poor health
for some time, placed a wire about
his neck and Inserted a stick, using
It as tourniquet to choke himself to
death, residents of the pioneer town
reported.
He had been left In the house by
the family, which has been occupy
ing the residence with him. Their
names could not be obtained this
afternoon. When members of the
family returned. It was stated, they
found him dead on the floor, with
the tourniquet about his neck.
Coroner Conger waa enroute to
Jacksonville when The Mall Tribune
went to press.
Mr. Toft was In the brokerage busi
ness in this city for approximately
40 years. He moved to Jacksonville
about two years ago. He has a father,
J. E. Toft, and a sister living on
North Grape street, this city.
He was married to Amelia Toft wnen
he resided In this city. Jacksonville
residents stated this afternoon that
the Tofts had been separated for
some time.
Mr. Toft, his friends say, was about
53 or 54 years of age.
FE
B. W. Carlton, president of the
Fruitgrowers' league, said this after
noon that a telegram had been for
warded by the organization to Gov
ernor Julius It. Meier, recommend
ing the' appointment of Paul A.
Scherer, local frultman, as a member
of the state board of higher educa
tion. This vacancy on the board Is
to be filled as a result of Albert
Burch's reglsnatlon.
DIAMOND LAKE ROAD
E
PORTLAND, Oct. . (AP) A low
bid of 118,120 for the clearing of an
eight-mile section of the north 8an
ttam highway was submitted to the
bureau of public roads here Wednes
day by Peart Brothers of Coquille.
Curtis-Garner company of Portland
was low for the construction of four
concrete bridges on the Diamond lake
route, with a bid of $50,368. The
route extends from Union Creek, on
the Crater Lake highway, around the
west side of the park.
TIRE COMPANY BOOSTS
ADVERTISING OUTLAYS
AKRON, Ohio. Oct. 6 (AP) Presi
dent William O'Neill of tho General
Tire and Rubber company announced
today that his company had increased
1U advertising appropriation for next
year 25 per cent..
TRIBUNE STRAW BALLOT
TO SHOW COUNTY TREND
How Is Jackson county going in
the November election? Not only
on the national but the local tickets.
This Is undoubtedly the burning
question In the valley at the present
time.
In order to get some line on this,
and also provide what we believe will
be an Interesting news feature, the
Mall Tribune has decided to conduct
a straw ballot campaign for the next
few weeks.
Printed each day will bs a blank
ballot which subscribers will be urged
to fill out and send to Straw Ballot
Mail Tribune
1 Intend to Tote for .
I Intend to rote for .
1 Intend to Tote for .
I Intend to Tote for .
PleaM fill ont, with or without
Content Editor, Mall Tribune.
Crew of the missing Hochl airplane which started on (light from
Japan to the United States. A few hours after leaving Samushiro
Beach they were sighted over the Kurlle Islands and had not been
aeen for a week afterwards. Left to right: Navigator Klyoshl Honma,
Pilot Elichiro Baba and Radio Operator Tomoyshl Ishlta. (Associ
ated Press Photo)
OF FOREST FIRES
PORTLAND, Ore.; Oct. 6. (AP)
Held In check, by man and nature,
forest fires smouldered In buroe
over timber areas In western Oregon
today, sending vast seas of murky
smoke over the countryside. In the
Yacolt section of Washington fires
continued to bum on a wide front,
but no further danger was antici
pated, forestry officials said.
Cool weather, higher humidity, and
the prospect of rain before night
caught devastating flames In their
stride and held them temporarily in
oheck after the fires had caused dam
Bge which may amount to (3,000,000.
Hundreds of families In the timber
belt were made homeless when flames
consumed villages and destroyed
rahches.
In Portland smoke reduced visibility
to a matter of a block or two. The
weather bureau eald it was the worst
In the city's history.. Lights were on
In all office buildings and some mo
torists used their headlights. There
was no sunlight and only a faint Illu
mination filtered through the dense
fog-Uke smoke as does sunlight
through murky, sluggish water. An
unnatural chill, such as accompanies
a total eclipse of the sun, fell upon
the city.
Airmail schedules through north
western Oregon were disrupted by the
smoke. Southbound planes were being
held at Seattle; westbound at Pasco,
and northbound at Medford.
Frigidaire Shows
Sales Increasing
DAYTON, Ohio, Oct. 8. (AP)
Frigidaire Corporation, subsidiary of
the General Motors Corporation, to
day reported an Increase in Septem
ber of 43 per cent in unit sales and
.23 per cent In dollar volume over
August.
Editor, Mall Tribune, Medford, Ore.
Profiting by experiences with straw
ballots In the put, voters will not
t. compelled to sign their names,
for there is a widespread disposition
to suspect such a procedure as an
effort on the part of politicians to
get a line on how various Individuals
will v-jte. The ballot will bs secret,
although, subscribers who wish to
sign may do so.
The Mall Tribune trusts subscrib
ers will respond and make this straw,
ballot a real Index of local political
opinion and an interesting event In
the campaign.
Straw Ballot
. for President.
for Count? Judge.
for District Attorney.
for Sheriff.
signature, and mall to Straw Ballot
DECLARED TOOLS
Trial of Pat Hogue, Klamath Falls
taxi line operator, Jerry Marcus, who
boasted to federal Investigators ' he
was "Pat'i'rlgbt hand man," and Mer.
nil Burlap, Woodrow Trlpplett and
"John Doe" Lloyd, high school boys
employed by Hogue as taxi drivers,
waa under way In the federal court
today for alleged conspiracy against
the national prohibition law. The
case la expected to be given to the
Jury later this afternoon. The trial
atarted Wednesday morning.
The government alleges that Hogue
and Marcus entered Into a conspiracy
and that they employed the high
school youtha as taxi drivers and de
liverer of liquor.
The three high school boys con
fessed, government testimony showed,
and were bitter against Hogue, when
they believed their youthful loyalty
had been abused, and Hogue allegedly
fled, leaving them to "tight It out
alone.
Testimony of three prohibition In
vestigators showed Hogue waa a "big
shot" In Klamath bootleg clrclea, ope
rating from a pool hall, with his line
of taxis as carriers.
Investigator Weaver testified that
after one of Hogue's taxis waa seised
while delivering liquor near the Great
Northern depot, by pre-arrangement
with an Investigator, that later Hogue
attempted to save the auto from con
fiscation, by taking It from the ga
rage.
(Continued on Page Three)
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WORK OF BOLTS
Fourteen lightning 'fires in the
national forest were reported to the
offices of the Rogue River national
'forest this morning, according to
Norman o. White, assistant super
visor. All the' fires that are known
have been checked, he said, but It Is
probable that several more will be
sighted today.
The majority of the fires were
confined to one snag, and all were
very small, according to Mr. White,
Calls came in from various parts of
the val!sy, with a few more fires in
the Pish lake country than any other
section. The rain aided In checking
a number of the fires.
State forest patrol offices reported
this afternoon that no lightning fires
were noted on state land.
Although rainfall during the light'
nlng and thunder storm was reported
as .03 Inches for Medford by the V.
S. weather bureau, the Star ranger
I station In the Applegate district
ported this morning to the federal
: forest service that .43 inches of rain
fall was recorded there between A p
m. yesterday and 8 a. m. this morn-
i ing.
I The light rain which accompanied
' last night's thunder storm wss the
first precipitation recorded for Med
ford by the weather bureau since
August 14, when .25 of an inch fell,
Rstn started falling here at fl:44 p.
m., Wednesday, and fell Intermit
tently until 13:60,
VISIT WEST FOR
CAMPAIGN TALKS
Heartening Reception On
Iowa Trip Cited By Friends
May Cast Ballot in Cali
fornia As in Last Election
WASHINGTON. Oct. 6. (flV-Presl-
dent Hoover returned to the White
House today from a three-day trip to
the farm belt, with some of his
friends urging him to make an ex
tended cross-country swing In his
campaign for re-election.
Several of the chief executive's ad
visors on the train which brought
htm back from Des Moines urged him
to undertake a speaking tour, after
the chief executive had. expressed
himself as "heartened" and "encour
aged" by the reception accorded him
In the middle west.
On their walk down the tralnshed
this morning, President and Mrs.
Hoover stopped to wave good-bye to
their train engineer and posed for
photographs, standing beside his en
gine. Two Trips Planned
Two further campaign trips already
have been tentatively scheduled for
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RELIEF OUTLINED
Mrs. A. K. Keames, head of the
women's division of the Jackson
County Council for Belief of the Un.
employed, addressed the Business and
Professional Women'a club at lunch
eon at, the CoDDlneafe todav.-out.
lining the ways and means the busi
ness women can be of assistance to
the relief movement.
Mrs. Alice Morgan was Installed aa
secretary ot the club to fill the va
cancy occurring when Miss Lucy Da
vis resigned. Other members of the
organization present today were Miss
Emily Brown, Dr. Susie V. Standard
and Mae Watklns. .
Mrs. Edwlna Wetehaar, president
of the club, presided and plans to
send a Medford delegation to the
district conference of the Federation
of Business snd Professional Wom
en's clubs to be held In Bend, Oc
tober 18, were discussed.
Mrs. Martha Oasch will be one of
the chief speakers at the conference
and will outline the 10-year objec
tive of the national federation. Mrs.
Edith Palby, state president, will pre
side. The next meeting of the local club
will be held two weeks from todays
The program at that time will be In
charge of Miss Elizabeth Burr, chair
man of the research committee. The
place, time and program will be an
nounced later.
GAS TAX RETURN
SALEM, Oct. . (P While gaso
line consumption In Oregon Increased
more than a million gallons last
month over July, the gasoline tax
collected waa 497,366 leaa than for
August the year before, Secretary of
State Hal E. Hoas announced today.
Hoes reported 14.879.530 gallons of
gasoline sold laat month. The con
sumpt.on waa reflected In the revenue
collected under the atate fuel tax
lawa to he amount of S52.243.43.
UNEMPLOYED CALLED
TO MEETING TONIGHT
A special meeting of the Medford
Assocaltlon of the Unemployed has
been called this evening by Harry
Moore, manager of the asaocatlon. It
will be held at the armory at 7
odock.
All members of the association and
all unemployed In the city are urged
to be present as Important business
will be considered. Mr. Moore Is
anxious to get a check on the pres
ent situation.
OF ALASKA GRIZZLY
DAWSON, T. T., Oct. 8. (AP)
The badly mutilated body of John
Mac Dona Id, 70, woodchopper and old
time Yukon resident, who had been
killed by a grizzly bear and partly
devoured, was brought here today
from Campbell Slough, 40 miles up
the Yukon river from here.
IN EAGIiPT. AREA
Petitions Protest Conduct
Director Irrigation District
and Road Supervisor
Political Pot Starts Boiling
Circulation of petitions against O.
O. Boggs, attorney of this city, pro
testing against his conduct of the af
fairs of the Eagle Point Irrigation
district, as a director, and against Ed
Dutton, county road supervisor, for
the same district, have been reported
In northern part of the county the
past week.
Reports from the same section said
that the next political turmoil In this
county would center around County
Engineer Paul Rynnlng, who has two
more years to serve. In the elective
office of county engineer. It was re
ported that a campaign had been
mapped against the county engineer,
with the objective of capitalizing the
discontent of the times.
Petitions Circulated.
W. H. Brown, a merchant of Eagle
Point, said today that the petitions
against Boggs "had been around," and
that landowners objected to "pushing
them for payments for water and
dues."
One of the allegations against Road
Supervisor Dutton was that he
using county gasoline for private
riding."
Reports said that the petitions ob
tained, "some names, but not as
many as expected."
Another report, fairly authentic,
was to the effect, that a "Citizens'
Committee of 100" is being organized,
and 37 members have been secured.
The "Committee of 100," according
to the report, would start function
ing, as the motive power of the county
campaign, and would "keep a watch
ful eye on county officials In par
ticular, and affairs In general... for
the purification of politics.
. . Political Pot Bolls.
The above events are signs that
the political pot has started boiling,
and will be popping furiously within
the next two weeks. Most of the can
didates have their cards In windows,
and the first campaign dance will be
held at Ashland next Tuesday, when
the . county Democrats open their
campaign. There will be no charge,
unless the voters care to dance, after
the oratory.
e-
GRANTED SPACE
The women's clubs of Medford,
representatives of which appeared be
fore the city council Tuesday night
to request space for club rooms In
the city hall on North Central, will
probably occupy the former Jury room
and the adjoining chambers on the
third floor, it was announced today
The finance and building commit-
tees of the council met with the club
representatives yesterday afternoon at
the city hall, and Mayor E. M. Wilson
stated today that a satisfactory ar
rangement had been reached. The
women will not take over the Judge's
chambers or the former circuit court
room, according to the plan. The
partition separating the two rooms
to be given them will be removed
snd the rooms furnished as a center
for all women's clubs, through the
uss of club funds.
F ourth St. Opening
Cost Around $2000
Cost of opening Fourth street,
which was approved Tuesday even
Ing by the city council, will be ap
proximately 13000. Through a typo
graphical error In yesterday's Mall
Tribune the cost, by elimination of
a cipher, waa lister as 1200.
Oregon Weather.
Showers tonight and Friday; cooler
Friday In the east and south portions
tonight; moderate to fresh northwest
and west winds offahore.
Author Renigs Payment
Wife's $3,3 13 Dress Bill
By DAM! IMHRISOV.
KXW YORK, Oct. 6. (AP) A con
siderable number of married men and
their wives, snd the merchants where
those wives run bills, will follow with
Interest the action of Clarence Bud
dlngton Kelland, the writer, In the
matter of s bill of 13313, which he
proposes not to pay If he can help it.
The bill is from Hattle Carnegie,
fnc, dressmaker, and purport to be
for purchases made by Mrs. Kelland
between February 37, 1931, and the
aame day In 1033.
Mr. Kelland argues In a supreme
court action which the concern In
atltuted to collect the amount of the
bill, that he la not liable for Its pay
ment because the articles purchased
were not "necessaries.'
But further than that ha sets forth
NEW YORK. Oct. 6. (AP) Pear
auction market: Prices slightly
stronger on northwest stock; slightly
weaker on California stock. Twenty
two cars arrived; 0 California, 3 New
York, 1 Maryland, 3 Washington cars
unloaded; 163 cars on track.
Oregon Bartletts: 82,100 boxes:
Extra fancy, 11.80-3 .25; few small,
1.35-1.40; average, 2.01.
CHICAGO, Oct. 0. (AP) Pear
prices: Four Oregon cars, 3 Califor
nia, 1 Colorado, 1 Ohio, 1 Washing
ton arrived; 10 cars on track; 5 cars
sold.
Oregon Bartletts: 1,007 boxes: Ex
tra fancy, $1.76-3.70; average, 93.16;
1164 boxes fancy, $1.50-3.35; average,
gl.80.
BURLINGTON, Wis., Oct. 8. (AP)
The new 935,000 receiving plant of
the Burlington Co-operative Milk as
socaltlon was destroyed by bombs
early today when five men invaded
the building and kidnaped the night
watchman.
The blast occurred about 1 a. m.
and shattered windows within a ra
dius of ten blocks of the plant.
About an hour later John Elsen
bart, 65, the watchman, appeared
at the police station. He said five
men accosted him with revolvers In
the building.
The men set two bombs, he said,
and then rushed him away In their
automobile.
DES MOINES, Iowa, Oct. 6. (AP)
The farm war armistice has been
broken.
After resting up a while farmers
In Iowa, Minnesota and South Da
kota, were back on the highways to
day, attempting to stop farm ship
ments to Improve prices.
Their activities were concentrated
In northwestern Iowa, southeastern
South Dakota- and southwestern
Minnesota, scenes of the most vlg
orous disputes during August and
September. The traditional weapons
of the farmer heavy planks, logs,
machine belts studded with spikes,
and clubs were their accoutremcnta
as they swung Into action.
Tension was noted among some of
the groups as the result of the kill
ing of Nordhal Peterson, 35, farm
picket, near Canby Tuesday night. He
was the first direct casualty In the
holiday movement, although a spe
cial deputy was killed at Council
Bluffs In August by the accidental
discharge of a riot gun.
Ole Anderson, 67, and his son,
Leonard, 10, were said by Sheriff M.
P. Fltzner at Canby to have con
fessed yesterday they were responsi
ble for the killing of Peterson.
CHICAGO, Oct. . fl-J The City
National Bank and Trust company,
with Gen. Charles G. Dawes as chair
man of the board, opened for busi
ness today, taking over the deposit
liabilities and banking business of
the Central Republic Bank and Trust
company. -
The Central Republic will continue
to operate Its trust and real estate
departments and Its investment af
filiate. The new bank, sharing the same
quarters with the Central Republic
although an entirely separate cor
porate entity, has M ,000,000 paid-in
capital and 1,000.000 surplus.
Mills On Hookup
8 O'Clock Tonight
Ogden J. Mills, secretary of the
treasury, will speak over the Nation!
Broadcasting Co. this evening at 8
o'clock, Paclflo time, In favor of
President Hoover and the Republican
tlckrt. Mr. Mills is a splendid talker
aud the county Republican central
committee asks that you tune In and
hear this address.
that something should be done to
discourage firms from permitting wo
men to run large bills In the belief
that the huabande have the money
and can pay them. His fight, he
states, Is against the practice of "ply
ing' women to buy goods they do not
need.
Mr. Kelland wants to know by what
Una of reaaonlng a, firm could believe
that his financial condition at any
time would Justify a characterisation
of hose at as 10 a pair, dresaes at 336
and $350, perfumery at 935 and a
cloth coat at 1430 "aa necessaries for
my wife."
Mrs. Kelland, supporting her hus
band, atated that the purchases were
made with the understanding that
she waa to be billed, and not her
husband.
FOR QUICK ACTION
Report to Medford Chamber
Confirmed Bids to Be
Called at November Meet
ingMeans Winter Work
Indications that the highway con
struction program will proceed as
originally planned by the atate high
way commission were received late
yesterday afternoon In a telegraphic
report sent to the Medford chamber
of commerce by E. G. Harlan, secre
tary of the Eugene chamber. The
report, which was confirmed today
by letter, stated that the commis
sion had held a meeting yesterday
and approved engineers' plans for the
Siskiyou reconstsuctlon project, and
that bids for contracts will probably
be called for the November meeting
of the commission.
175,000 This Winter.
The new Siskiyou highway project
involves the relocation of the present
Pacific Highway in the district south
of Ashland, with the expected ex
penditure of approximately 175,000
for this winter's work. Surveying
crews have been working on the pro
ject for the past month, and have
submitted their report for relocation
of the road. The new program waa
advocated by the various chambers
of commerce In Paclflo Highway com
munities, as a part of a plan to make
the Pacific highway the super-highway
of the state, and has been ap
proved by the highway commission.
A total of 455,000 has been appro
priated for highway construction work
In southern Oregon, out of the state's
share of 93,000,000 from federal appro
priation for highway work. The re
mainder of the fund will be expended
In other parts of the state, with Mult
nomah county receiving a major por
tion, according to present plans.
Central Pt. Road Involved.
Other projects In southern Oregon
which are Included In the projected
plans for this winter are the recon
stroctlon and straightening of the
highway between Medford and Cen
tral point, the route for which has
not yet been definitely fixed; and
other Improvement work In the Green
Creek section, as well as In the Rice
Hill area' It Is expected that bids
for all of this work will be called for
In the near future.
It was pointed out at the meeting
of the roads and highways commit
tee of the Medford chamber yesterday
that If the federal funds appropriated
for this region are not used here, and
before June I, 1033, they will be ex
pended in other parts of the stats.
From Federal Fund.
It was also pointed out that the
entire amount is a federal appropria
tion, In advance of federal aid high
way construction funds, and will be
deducted at the rate of 10 per cent
per year from future appropriations,
beginning In 1040.
The committee, after considering
what action should be taken, was In
telephone communication with other
cities In southern Oregon yesterday
afternoon, urging their aid In having
the matter settled, and the action ox
the highway commission In approv
ing the plans already prepared win,
It is hoped, definitely settle the ques
tion of high way construction work
In southern Oregon.
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ROGER?
BEVERLY HILLS, Cal., Oct.
5. Guess who is out here hold
ing a convention that you never
thought would show their faces
again!
Top, "the bankers." The Bo
construction Finance corpora
tion fixed 'em up so they could
make the trip.
They are likable rascals, and
now that we are all wise to 'em
and it's been shown that they
don't know any more about fi
nances than the rest of us know
about our business (which has
proved to be nothing), why
they are getting just as human
as the eroceryman, the drug
gist or the filling station man.
This panic has been a great
equalizer. It's done away en
tirely with the smart man. So
the bankers are having a good
time. They don't feel that they
have any position to uphold.
They are just a lot of Elks.
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