F
f
t
C hristian M essenger
“GO YE, THEREFORE, TEACH ALL NATIONS.”
VOL. II.
.i
»
MONMOUTH, OREGON ; FRIDAY, FEBRUARY 18, 1881.
....................... .
’1
.
................... .
NO, 7.
"J"................ . .........
it was necessary those should be, j I will give you an extract from Mc death of the body.” This we can an
Preachers and Preaching.
whom he commissioned to found and Garvey’s Commentary on Matthew, swer by direct .statement of Solomon.
C hristian M essenger , establish
his church. Hence we think that will be more satisfactory than Ec. xi. 7, “ Then shall the dust return
Scio, L inn <
0R
Devoted to the cause of Primitive Christi
that Paul had it revealed to hitn that aiiy thing that I could say about the unto the earth as it was; and the
1
eb.
3, 1881.
anity, and the diffusion of general in
he
was
to
ba
a
sharer
in
this
great
i
Dear
Memwnyer
:
meaning
of
the
passage
:
"
Gates
of
spirit to God who gave it.” Many
formation.
blessing, and because of such revela: , hell—not correctly rendered hell, but questions can be asked just here:
1 desire to say a few words about
Price Per Tear, in Advance, 92.50
tion
be
'
could
use
the
language
he
hades.
Hades
is
contemplated
as
a
Preachers
arid Preaching, in Oregon,
All business letters should be. addressed
Why do all spirits go to God before
to T. F. Campbell, Editor, or Mary does in regard to the other apostles, walled city, waging war against the the judgment; and if they all go to and more e-peciaily in the Willam
Stump, Publisher, Monmouth, Oregon.
and, to his expectation, immediately church. Jts gates are made the to him, do they remain with him, and ette valley.
Advertisers will find this one of the beet after death. Enoch was taken from
symbols of its power, because the where is God, &c. But we must re
I snppose that every one who is at
mediums on the Pacific Coast for* making
the Patriarchal dispensation to heaven; military i&ces of an ancient city al member we walk by faith anil not by all conversant w- »»!>:••
rk as a'
their business known.
Elijah from the Jewish; and what ways issued forth from its gates, and sight, or sense. In divine revelation | people, in this valley, ;a<; awtare that
RATRS OF ABVERTISI NO :
more fitting than that those grand! the gates may be considered as send we shall not be governed by om we only have one preacher to where
ii» i rfTTM rM ) 1 Vr soldiers of the*cross, the apostles; and ing them out. All the power by
reason, or sense, but by the word of we have the need, of three, at any
i iMh . .'777 $1 00 Í2 50 S4 CO #7 00 fl2 00
20 00 especially Paul the grandest of them I which hades, the place of disembodied
7 CO 12 00
4 00
2 •Ml
h Col...........
God:' In the inve«tigati5n of this
tbis fact rnu>t
v‘‘'1!
ii,;y 1
35 00
7 00 12 00 20 00
4 (Ml
k Coi...........
65 00 all, should be taken from the Chris-' spirits, assails, are included in the inquiry we have a large and contested b? every acUve minister.
7 Oil 12 00 20 0U M 00
H Col...........
1 Col............. 12 00 20 00 33 wr W5 (X) 120 00
tian dispensation to the immediate figure, the powers of Demons, of field, 'he Materialist or Sadducee and I N,‘* lf *e are t! us s!‘,,rt 01 1 *;n H'
Notioe« in local columns 10 cents per line
presence of God.
'
Satan, and of death. The test is a Soul Sleeper say no, there is no such Iter8- wUt
l”‘ U”; lack o{ >'r‘ ach-
each insertion.
Yearly adrertiaements on liberal term*. '
pledge
that the’ church never would thing as soul or spirit existence out of i in'’
The
Scriptures
that
we
have
ex
r.a nre ob ■our workile-
Professional Cards (1 square! *13 per annum
body. Others say, the good I niands should be done ' Is it not
Mr. I. U. ll«vl<l*oii I« our Advertising amined in the course of this investi-. be tempted into total apostacy, nor be the
Agent In Portland.
_
gation, speak directly, if. not alone of depopulated by tjie death of all its spirits go to Paradise or Abraham’s evident that the lack most be very
the condition of the righteous dead members.” Again in Rev., "God says bosom, and there await the general great ? And the n;»ru so since the
Entered »1 the. Poet Office at Munaonth u
MeoDttciMi metter.
—— ----- -—---------------
and their—resurrection,- excepting the come out of her my people.” So you, judgment, and others, the good go to percentage of deficiency is greater in
this particular than what it is 4n re
Bro. Newton Stone’s Questions. parable <>t' tlie rich man and Lazarus. see now after the Japse of 600 years the home of JesUs, knd wait there,
ference
to the number of ministers.
The most that could be claimed from when the church had apostatised, God and the wicked into hades. I shall
- (Continued )
them in regard to the condition of the still has a people in it, and calls to give only a few brief proofs that the Now there is a question in my mind
The other Scriptures to be examined wicked, di ad, would be by inference.
them to come out. And if you will righteous gc 4o God ,and heaven. as to whether or not there'can be any
are those in which Paul speaks of his
We desire to close this investiga examine Mosheim, Neander, Wadjng- When I say the righteous, I mean the thing done as -tHnpw trow ata n d, t»
expectation, that he will go to Christ tion by the consideration of two ton, and Arcbard’s history of the righteous man or woman. I know relieve this state of affairs. For it is
immediately upon bis death. These passages, which we believe tob4 plain Baptista, you will find that when the this sounds foolish to the Sadducee, to certain that we can never do the
passages are as follows : 2 Cor. v. 6-8, in. their teaiffiing, as to the’wicked church went into apostacy, God’s speak of a man after the death of the wbrk which the Lord has called us
“ Therefore we. are always confident, dead. 2 »'*4, v. 10: “Fur we must people did come out and kept coming body. But we are in gdod company, out to do, while this gjeat deficiency
knowing that,"whilst we are at home all appeVrbefore the judgment seat of out for many years, and became a dis Paul says he knew a man whether in as to Preacheis and Breaching contin
in the body, we are absent from the Chriat, that every - one may receive tinct people to thia day. They have, the body or out of the body, he knew ues. And while 1 doubt the ability
.Lord ; we are confident, I say, and the things in body, according to that no doubt, much .of the smell of the fire not, and surely the divinely inspired I of any man to give a sufficient prac- '
willing rather to be absent from the he bath done, whether it be good or on them, and have brought many of Paul knew whether .there could be ticable solution nf the d fliculty, yet
body, and to be present with the bad ' We i ave nut of this quotation the relics of their mother with them, such a being as a' man out of the in the hope th:c
uie good lifight
Lord.” Phil. i. 21-24 : " For to me to two words, which were confessedly but thank God their faces have been body. I shall not jirosecute this in How from imp;
m
ions
live is Christ, and todlelsgain. But placed in it r»yr1iing James’ transla towards Jerusalem, and we still toil quiry any further unless desired, as made, I have ■ rr««M •-rhe
•■■«,• and
if 1 live in the flesh, this is the fruit tion, as in their judgment, necessary on the road back, along the old land it will be involve^in the question in in this direction 1 beg I
t<* offer
of my labor; yet what 1 shall choose to complete th • sense, but which we marks. The mists and fogs are slowly hand to some extent.
the following‘thou- .« i*-re dosing.
I wot not (know not). For I am in a believe in this instance, as in some clearing away, a relic is dropped here
Could there not tie steps taken
In John xiii. 36, Jesus says to bis
atrait betwixt two, having a desire to others, to obscure it, and also to make and another there, all along the road. disciples, “ You shall follow me' after which would in-lin e Bro. S ( Adams,
de|iart, and to be with Christ, which a tautology. Correctly rendered from ’Tis true there are many more yet on wards." Read the context. In John of Salem., to go oui from tirn* to time,
is far better; nevertheless to abide in the original it teaches that both the hands that can ba spared-; but slow xvii. 24, be prays to his Father that as strength and opirortunity would
the flesh is more needful for you.”1 reward and punishment are to be re was the fall, slower to rise.
they might be with him that they permit, and preach a few good strong
We think that this expectation by ceived in the body. Rev. xx. 12 : “And
2. “ What and where is Paradise?” might behold his glory. ' In John xiv. discourses in various localities f If it
Paul, which is so evident from these 1 saw the dead, small and great, stand A few extracts from Smith’s Bible e I 3, he »ays : “ I £o to prepare a place can i>e done i.*ur plea would certainly
passages, arsse in this way. In the before God“ and the dead were Dictionary will throw light on this ■for you,” in his Father’s house. Paul g athrr dre n c h ami <■! ai mOer from
prayer of our Savior, as recorded in judged according to their works,” quo y. ” Paradise is a word of Per speaking of hini as our forerunner his labors. Also, during vacation,
John 17th chapter, he makes this " an*I they were judged every man ac sian origin, and is used in the Septua- into heaven, not into Paradise, or Pres. T. F Cainpf.< ]| and even some
petition to his* Father, 24th verse: cording to their works,” “ and whoso- gent as a translation of Aden. The Abraham’s bosom. But he has enter times during «el ‘ >> oii'lm up nti^lit,
** Father, I will that they also, whom ever was not found written in the theories of the Rabbis were that it ed heaven itself, and'lis at the right by proper arn»n ■ ni ni on the T?rt
thou hast given me, be with me w I h r book of lite, was east into the lake of was a far otf land, a -region where hand of the Father.
of the brotherbo. I. o - indúct il to lake
I am; that they may behold ui v tire.” These passages plainly teach, there was no consuming cold or
Again in Heb. xi. 10, he says : “ He the field in tr > •nt< rest .of <ur great
glory, which thou hast given me' it seems to us, that the whole being of Hcorchihg heat, and the common, has prepared for them (his,saints) a
He had already shown, that by " thev man shares in the punishment, and piaver of the dying Jew, that their city.’* ' Now the substance of all this
whom thou hast given me(” he mean- | tin^t tips takes place alter th.e final souls might rest in the paradise, in is we shall follow Jesus into the heme
his apostles, and his prayer is, that I judgment, *r great judgment day.
the Garden of Eden. . . . We can he has prepared for us in heaven. planning dt> I
they may be made an exception io
Tit*) Loid willing we will endeavor assume nothing in the robber out-law This is in keeping with «Paul’s “de- pective. «phci
the rule, and upon their death r- I to an« v< r ill.- first question next week. but the most rudimentary forms of sire to depart and be with Christ,” one or I t o, «
eeived into his presence, that thev
popular lielief. The answer to his (Phil. i. 23), and to be "absent from Bro. - l’i.i,ip Muik’’? . L
R H. Moss.
Monmouth. Fed. 12, 1881.
may be with him, and bebold Lis
prayer (to-day shalt thou be with me the body and present with the Lord,” brethren are Viry m • d, j,
glory. Let it be notul^, tbit this
in Paradise) gave him what he needed (2 Cor. vii. 8). And Stephen could no one *Lom J w< mu »«.
prayer in their favor, is a proof of th< Bro. Newton Stone’s Questions. most, the assurance of rest a peace.
say, when under the inspiration of the work v i ti n*f in a meeli
___
»
correctness of our conclusions upon
'The word Paradise, spoke tor him, a« Spirit: “Lord Jesus, receive my cle Philip Mink- \
Lfear Bro Campbell:
this subject, for if all Christians t,a»
it did to other Jews, repose shelter
»<• it uots 11 ] <tr tn n
In the January No. 1, of the P. C. and joy.” This definition, I believe, spirit,” while he beheld his Master
into heaven immediately after death,
if
wc
can rightfully u=
afar otf, through the open heavens, at
there would have been no necessity M essenger , Bro. N. Stone asks you is not questioned among Christians
which
wo Lavo, ü*at ti ■
'the right hand of God. Finally, John
for this petition. We are awaie of three questions, which you request generally, and ie corroborated by the
at
least
a pat tin! solution V
in Patmos, sees and hears a grqat
the fact that at thfrAime tins prayer some one else to answer that has more Savior, in his comforting promise to
culty
BUggented.
company that no man can number,
was uttered, Paul was not an apostle, time than you. I have the time, but the robber. That he did not mean by
■
Yours in Christ.,
around
the throne of Ged. And an
but it must also be admitted that he don’t know whether 1 can answer Paradi io Heaven is evident from the
E. W. B arnes
angel explains, that " these áre they
afterward became one, and as he-hwr- satisfactory or not. I cannot attempt fact that he said to Mary, after he
P.
S.
—
Bro.
8.
G.
A
•trims enmc rr; "to ““
which came out of great tribulation,
self says, in 2 Cor. 11th and 12th an exhaustive answer of either of the arose, " I have not yet ascendal to my
Scio
by
invitation
and
precfhfd three
and have washed their robes and made
ehapteis, “ I suppose I was not a whit three questions, but will give as con God.” See also Josephus' on “ Abra
excellent
rfi«cnurt.*-on
the 2'jth ahd
them white in the blood of the
behind the very chiefest apostles.”, densed answer as I can.
ham’s Bosom and Hades.'* The Jew Lamb. Therefore are they liefore the 30th of last month.—E. W B.
1 " Did the church of Christ cease ish views in relation to which also
“ Are they ministers of Christ ? (I
throne of God,” kc. Rev. vii. 14, 15
speak as a fool) I am more ; in labors to exist at any time since it was es the Savior substantially endorses, in
—The human r»B» ba« from the
1 have now in a brief wav at
beginning, and wl.trover, inai, ages
more abundant,” &c. I will come to tablished ?” Bro. 8. seems to believe the biography, or as some suppose the
tempted to answer your inquiries, sud lands, >t
vi ndvri-d anti alide,
visions and revelations of the Lord.” that the church has been established parable, of the " rich uTan an J Lazar
Bro. Stone, and if they are not suilic lifted up in uno .•'■¡ng pi ay et to G d
and
hence
the
question
is,
has
it
' And.lest I should be exalted above
us.” To this place, there can be no iently full and satisfactory, ami you for immhrtai life It i...i n-tuiinl
measure by the abundance of the ceased to exist since. It >yll be doubt, were gathered the souls of the
desire it, 1 will give more evidence, from annihilation and sought, by
revelations.” “ For in nothing am I needless to prove that the church And just, until Jesus opened up, by a new
many a m . ci ilice tnd libatigli to pla
especially on the home of the just.
cate the Giver of Life ar.d v. n urn
behind the very chiefeet apostles’’ kingdom of Christ are identical, as and living way, through his flesh, the
You re-in- the glorious hope of the him a bief&ed r ■ o ption finn *b. ib.
We think we are justified in conclud marly all Bible readers admit that door of the holy of holies, when he
just,
And_witl. whet un.-jo-skst ie joy nd .
ing, that our Savior desired this favor From the Bible standpoint then that ascended up on high and “led a
love
millions of men an I Women have
I.
N.
H
odgen
.
for bis apostles, both as a reward for kingdom that Jesus set us was to be multitude of captives.” See margin
dwelt
Upen th reve• kdjromisrs u.at
their labors, and because it would be an everlasting kingdom. See Daniel of Polyglot Bible, Eph. iv. 8. Hither
— In warm weather put your eggs they should live again, lati credible
a fitting continuation of the life of ii. 40, “ Shall never be destroyed.” to no one had ascended to heaven. in cold water sume time helot yon that a beiieiicint Creator wuuid im
plant this consuming desire, and In ar
are ready to use them.
those who received such abundant Matt. xvi. 18, " On this rock (Chriat) See John iii. 13.
I
will
build
my
church,
and
the
gates
—
A
true
test
for
egp*
>•
to
drop
tl
«
a
in
this prayer nring continually from
Bro.
Stone
’
s
third
inquiry
is,
“
Do
»•▼•lation-, and were so fully imbued
water, and il the iurge end co-ui* op they the licr.rta of Lis depend»nt creatures,
of
hell
shall
not
prevail
against
it
”
J
•pints
go
to
Gt*d
when
freed
by
the
are not fresh.
vith the power of the Holy Spirit, aa
and yet give no heed ’ Thr Interior.
FcaolfLo
♦
r