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CITY OFFICIAL PAPES
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VOL. 32
DAILY EAST OEEGONIAN, PENDLETON, OREGON, "TUESDAY EVENING, JANUARY 25, 1921.
NO. 9733
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JOE BRADY HELD
SEATTLE FOR
M "SHADOW"
)AMENDMENT TO WHEAT
(JRAP'LAW OFFERED
T'-V'E LESIGLATURE
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Ofl THE EUROPEAN
Man Who Terrorized Portland
ers Captured in Sound City
When He Entered Post Of
fice, it is Thought.
IS BROKE ORWOULD
FIGHT EXTRADITION
Denies That He is Notorious
Portland Blackmailer or That
He Knows Anything About
That Bandit's Activities.
SEATTLE. Jim. 25. (I'. l. Joe
Urady, held here a "shadow" who Ik
alleged to have blackmailed and ter
rorised prominent Portlund citizens,
hiiK not decided whether to fight ex
ttadition. He was arrested here yes
terday when ha called for mail t '
potoffke. "If I hud any coin, I'd bt
tie them to a flnla.i." :ie said, lie de
nies he's "Shadow," or Hint he known
anything about the bandits activities.
POINT SAFELY PAST
U. S. CONFISCATES IT
Government Attorney Says Un
der Volstead Act, Uncle Sam
Might Take a Man's Pants if
Bottle is Found ftn Hip.
TAOOMA. Jan. 25. l. !'.)
I'nrle Hum la going to confiscate a-
j wheelbarrow because it was tlic ve
hicle Jack Kokko used to remove a
trunk containing four gallon of nilr
11 frumuntl from the truln lit llwaeo.
Assistant Fulled 8ta.l-s SUomey lloyla
nA (.he Information, with tliu fedcrbi
court here, accusing Kokko of trans
porting liquor In the vehicle, "lo-wlt,
a wheelbarrow."
"1 believe under the transportation
aectlon of the Volstead act. If a man la
caught with a pint on hi hip, the
government can conUsculc his pants,"
said Moyle.
An am ,nt to Section 612!) of
the Oregon ...w, proposing to change
the penalty on grain grades fulling un
der No. 1, In shortly to be Introduced
In the slate legislature. The meaaurc
ha considerable local support and Ik
Intended to furnish relief to the grow
ers nut alone of I'mutilla county but
of nil Eastern Oregon, where No. 1
wheat Is scarce.
I'nder the present system of grain
(trading wheat which does not weigh
60 pounds to the bushel and weighs
5(j pounds or more la graded as No. 2.
The price paid for this la 3 cents per
bushel less than for No. 1. This coun
ty raises very little strict No. t wheat,
by weight, yet a large amount crowds
the figure closely and In milling qual
ity and other charu teristics Is worth
virtually as much ai: No. 1.
The amendment diaftcd here has
been referred to Salem for Introduc- j
tion. Home change In committee are
expected to be made. The bill as orig
inally drawn Is us follows:
Following Is a draft of proposed
amended portion of Section 612,1:
lit all contracts hereinafter entered
Into where the price or amount to be
aid depends upon weight or crude, n.,
discount or differential shall be made
i.n account of lest weight per bushel or
grade, if tile grain delivered under
sii Id contract weighs 5K pounds or
more, per bushel, In the following
cases;
Soft lied Winter wheat, Rama being
known us Class 4 under regulation of
I'nlted Slates Department of Agricul
ture, anil undr rules adopted in Ore
gon by the 1'ubllc Service Commission;
Common White wheat, same bein'-; I wo divergent that a proposal was made
known as Class 5 under raid regula- to refer the matter to :he league of
Hons and rules, and While Club wheal, I nations. It was "rejected. Considering
mime being Known as i lass miner i.crman disarmament Lloyd-tjeorg
AREA
JAPAN HOLDS TO NAVY
j! BUILDING PROGRAM ON
1!
SPRING'
SELF PROTECTION PLEA
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NEW YORK, Jan. 25. (!'. P.)
The danger point In the country's In
dustrial depression has been safely
passed and conditions may lie expected
to Improve hen-after. George K. Kob- (
oris, vice-president of the National . , .
City Hank and noted economist, de- UCnCral PlISlidSKI Of Poland IS
i la red.
i TOKIO, Jan. 25. (A. Fj Foreign
-Minister CchlUa, when Inrerpeiiatea In j
Frnon Cvnnrte Tnrncna Plochl'he lower house of Parliament held,
. . u.1,1, uaHu w v mm viaoil ,ut lllUp for a ,mmedlale move
or inree minion Armed
Troops Between Bplsheviki
and Border States in Future.
RUMANIA TAKING EVERY
MILITARY PRECAUTION
AUSTRiAN FINANCE BONE
OF CONTENTION AT THE
A I I ICd PflilnlPII PFCTl ln -luH" ",uch ''" 'h" French
ALLltU LUUNblL IViLt 1 1 : -.:r;;;;i,
Expected in Paris When
Health Permits to Consult
. . French General Staff.
ment for disarmament, but said re
Biriction of armaments would be con
sidered by Japan if proposed by an
other nation. "Some practical men
abroad do not approve of Immediate
disarmament although truy agree In
the principle. The existing ilerman
situation is one fuctor which prevents
complete agreement. Japan's naval
policy is one of expansion but one that
cannot be avoided in interests of self
protection.''
(Note: Kdwin Hulllnger of
the Paris I'nlted Press staff, has
Just returned to the l'n!ted
Slaes after many months spent
Lloyd George Says ' German I
Disarmament Would Leave!
Country Open to Invasion of j
Russian Bolshevism.
PAIilS, Jan. 25. (A. I'.) The
critical and complicated Austrian '
' iivuii i il probii-m was ilfsounsed by the
allied supreme council today. Opin-i
ions of the various delegation were!
raid regulatloiiB and rules; and with . thought Cermuny was ln peril of bo'-
lespect to the varieties of wheat here- jshevism if deprived of their arms on;
inabove designated discounts upon
wheat of grade Inferior to grade No.
2 (which has a lest weight of 5b
pound) shall he at the rate of one
cent per bushel fur each pound less
than is pounds and iut less tnan oi
May 1 as required by the treaty.
J-rench Premier l:riaid refused to con
sider the sjggextlon. The Italian for
eign minister proposed a compromise.
Neither Ijlovd-'ieorge nor friand
would aaiee. so it was dec'tb d to ns!(
preparations of P.ush!m. ; '
PAItlH. Jan. 25. Uly Edwin
Huliinser, V, P. Staff Corre
spondent.) France expects a
new war this spring. Armies to
taling between two ami three
million men will 'be thrown
awlnst each other ln a war be
tween bolshevik Russia on one
hand and Kuman'n, Poland and
other outpost states on the other,
.-m-orili.ig to French military es
perts. Despite the denial of Ru
mania ciplomats, presons close
to yuai D 'ursay told me before
I left paris that Rumania Has
"ta!;ing every military precau
tion. (Jineral I'ilsudskl Is expected
In Paris as scon as his health
permits, to consult members of
the French general staff.
Director of Crime Commission
Says Prohibition is Cause of;'
Wholesale Corruption of Po
lice Force.
CHICAGO, Jan. 25. (C. P.) Major
crime has decreased more than thirty
percent in- Chicago during the firr
year of prohibition. The number of
murders has dropped 51 percent; bur
glaries 1 0 percent and robberies 6 per
cent. While some officials have attri
buted the decrease in crime to prohibi
tion. Colonel Henry chamberlain, di-
j rector of the Chicago crime comm.s
sion, attid he believed prohibition had
no effect on malor crime. "Prohibi-
i tion has decreased misdemeanors," he
aid, "but what has been the cause
The Bulck auto that bettered the
time of the Shasta Limited between
Siin" Francisco and Portland recently.
will arrive in Pendleton on Wednes
day. C. J. Thirkell. territory manager
for the Howard Automobile Co., coast
distributors of the Bulck will drive
the 1921 coupe that recently made this
record breaking run from the Hay City
to the Rose City. The car will be dis
played at I he Oregon Motor Garage
during Mr. Tliirkell's stay here.
, The coupe made the run between
the cities in 23 hours and 16 minutes.
I Uter'ng the crack train's time by 44
minutes. This is said to be the fastest
time ever made between the two
points other than by air.
'The car was not groomed for this
run," Mr. Thirkell said when he reach
ed' Portland. "We Just picked it from
alock, took it off the wash rack, filled
it with oil and gas, took aboard two
"rivers and started on the record-
breaking run."
The car and its drivers arrived ln
Portland during the recent auto show
and attracted much attention. It has
since been driven to other parts of the
stateto Iw exhibited at auto shows. The
unusual record made is expected to at
Taet mere than casual Interest ln
Pendleton.
COLUMBIA RIVER
MODEL MIGHT GO
TO BOSTOii SHOV
Bill is Introduced to Send Min
ute Representation Showing
Noted Points to Tercenten
nial Celebration.
MAIL
pounds: a gross discount of 5 cents tw fnilltaii" expert for another re
per bushel for -wheat 'weighing 54 I port.
pounds, but less than 55 pounds; a
pros discount of 7 cents per bushel
tor wheat weighing 53 pounds but less
than 54 iMitinds: n gross discount of a
cent per -bushel fw wheat -weighing
I pounds b.il less than 53 pounds; a
gross discount of 12 c nts per bushel
for wheat weighing 51 pounds but less
than 62 pounds. All lower grades
than these Here enumerated miiui :
SLOOaOQO FIRE LOSS
IN NEW HAVEN, CONNJf- v-'.';
j 1-o.nmt prom,s.o r ranee imp... . ... , f) r wht)p(Isltt corrUplion of ,, police.
; eoiioioic i no. ' ..,,, ..,.m.,., w...
I exchange for aid "linsl Russia last
jvesr. France will keep Poland in a
position to make good these pledges,
i Frsutre will help Poland, not 'With men,
I I nt with war materials and brains.
! Pole nil's general tntf is lectins in!
I Trains, but her manpower is placed al
million men. Rumania s effectives
GOu. ('((in, its army is far superior
WASHINGTON, Jan. 25. Presi
dent Wilson transmitted to congress
The mi'jor criminal is not a drunkarr). todav a report from the national ad-
In fact, he seldom smokes. He finds visory committee for aeronautics.
FIRE WORKS EXPECTED
ON REAPPORTIONMENT
Battle Between Members From
Willamette, Multnomah and
Eastern Oregon Has Been
Waging Silently Some Time.
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SALEM, Jan. 25. (IT. r. Th
senate met at 10. Introduced a few
bills and adjourned ' until 2 in order
to give the committee time to go Into
action.
Construction of a minute model of
the Columbia river, showing all the
noted points, for exhibition at Boston'
during the ter-centennial celebration
of the landing of the Pilgrims, ts pro-'
vided in a bill Lee introduced In the
house. .
Representtaive Sheldon offered a
bill providing that Oregon road bonds
issued for building and maintaining
public roads, highways, bridges, etc..
be exempt from taxation aa provided. '
Income from such bonds, however,
would not be exempt from taxation.
Reapportionment is the fireworks
scheduled to be touched off In 5 the
house this afternoon when it consid
ers a resolution providing tnat trie
house take no action upon reappor-
tionment this session. - ! , '
A battle has been brewing on the re-;
apportionment question for aome time.
Members from the Willamette valley.
Jiuitnomah county and Eastern Ore-
son have been waging a silent three-
jorr.ered fight.
jhis amusement In gambling."
ICOMMUNITY ORGANIZERS
ATHENS, GEORGIA, SCENE
OF MILLION DOLLAR FIRE
sold and accepted by sample, and shall
be known us sample grades. -Said dis
counts, tijether with the rules and
regulation above provided, shall be
come part of everv contract of sale of
wheat of the varieties named, unless
expressly agreed to the contrary In
such contract.
and's in equipment and training.
Trotskv's new bo'.shcviK war ma
chine Is subject to considerable speeu-
A j lalion throughout F.nrope. Here In
fir',. , America, wliero there is no thought of
Representatives from every
it
is difficult to appreciate the : religious and educational body in Pen
..... : A I I I.,ltn n V.a n.Quu
HI ,":"",t' .n"l :ZZ : at . iTwi cents but be easily seen shoubi
are nuiai m - - - -- ,,. ,: in k. onlleit nnnn to
n,,t ' C-..(...- Bi-nn na. in l,o and nmini ft! i ("c
'the belief of the French, could
ATHENS, Ga Jan. sr.. fl". P.I
The fire which destroyed an entire
downtown block "was placed under
control early today. The loss Is esti.
mated at a million dollars. No lives
vere lost.
PRICE DECREASE TODAY
NKW HAVKX, VMin., J:in, :
million Inss it: csiimntod of th
which (U-s troy ol the Mendel and Frre
mun dtMitirtmont store tod;i".
MCVV HAVKX, Conn., Jan. 23. ( t.
I. '.p fir whirr. Ihrontcned t f ri-
eicrtv fin u.,tii.n Ki.f..co ,1 ..,,1. n in' con nrn m in- m-i-i i
todav was controlled after a ..rnrertv i fi"u!tv. The political objectives of the j community organisation.
damage of more than a million was j cvpccicl bolshevik posh fc, to reaam
Ki;?sia s lost orovmces irom me nam.
to the Caucus.. Including I.!nssarab:a,
(ieeruia. I.llbuanla. I.ettonia,' Ksthonia,
and parts of PolanJ.
recommending continuance of the air
'mail service.
j The- report askod for continuance
'of the air mail which the house re
cently voted against on the ground
jthat it provided 'a necessary means
'for the development of the civil air
craft activities of the nation." The
air rflail service, the report asserted.
I had demonstrated the practicability
jof heavier than air planes for civil as
civic 'well as military use. The value of the
. I service the report anaeo, mignr noi oe
(Continued on page 6.) -
PENDLEMSlLIES
11 OFFICIAL SHEETS
I apparent in the terms of dollars and
without dif- I the county library for the purpose of
mobilize its air forces.
. ; 1 1 .. T U e
R. K. Tuck- 1 ne report was sikhvu ..j
er, organizer, today waa nusy nsiing .. . , , .
Inflicted. , Zero temperature and stitf :
winds hindered tile firemen. I
vhich'
com- i
The w heat market shows a decrease
in price today, March wheat closing at
1.67 after opening at I1.7. while May
wheat closed at 11.57 after opening at
$1.60. Yesterday March wheat closed
at 11.71 and May at 1.61 1-2.
Following are the quotations from
Overbook & Cooke, local brokers:
Wheat.
High. Low. Close.
1.7014 l.6'4 1.67
1.60 14 1.56 Vj 1.57
Com.
.fiii
'.70
Oats.
.4 4'i,
.441),
Hyo
Open.
March -1.70
May 1.6D
May
July
May
July
.80
.44 a
.44 '4
.!
.43-14
.4 3
.68
.6914
.44
M
May
July
May
l.4
1-31
liarh-y
1.47
.65
Armed Clash Between Whites
and Blacks of North Caro
lina Ends by Jajl Breaking on I
Part of Former Race.
;i ri .mini its iiii i.Fi
OKLSNITZ. Germany, Jan. 25. ( V.
P. 1 Fiirty-one miners were killed i MARRKTS.
and 2S Injured here loday when a por- j PORTLAND, Jan. 25. Cuttle lower
t-on ol the wall of the Hedgwig ahaft I choice steers $8.60 to $.1B, hogs and
in the lieutschland coal mine collaps-1 sbeep Heady, eggs dcmorullxcd. but-
. ter weak.
HARDING'S VACATION PALS
Foreign Kwlmiw
J ondon. 3.8214.
Paris, .0740. ,
llerlln, .OlStVj.
Vienna, .0030.
Rome, .0380.
Canada, 13 per cent discount.
N. Y. money, 7 per cent.
.HlHiM AVOVI.I) SPANK GIRLS.
A.NACONDA, Mont., Jan. 25. (A.
. r.) X spunking and enforced attend
ance nt school would be the proper
treat meat for some of Anaconda's
wavward girls, according to istriet
Judge George B. Winston. "I have
seen some girls dome before my court
who ought to have been in school and
who had so mu-li paint on their faces
that It was Impossible to tell without I
qtieotinnliig whether they were 14 or 40
yesra old." he said. ' j
Judge Winston flayed the way some
of the girls brought Into his court
dressed. He declared it was not un
common fur a girl to be brought to
court dressed In the height of fashion
whio their mother who accompan
ied them wore poor clothes and shawls
fiboul their heads. A campaign of ed
ucation was urged by Judge Winston
a a means of lessening the number of
ywid gill here,
WAR KENTON', N. C-. Ju'1- 25. (A
P.) All effort lo apprehend mem
bers of the mob, which last night broke 1
Into the Jail, removed two negroes hclfl
there after an armed clash with whites
eurlv Sundnv and shot them to death,
were set aside today In the anxiety of ;
iiiUiorltles to forestall a recurrence- 01
violence.
Seven of the nine negroes left in the
!all by th? mob were today hurried to
Raleigh for safekeeping and this after
noon five additional arrests were made
and these prisoners also rushed to
Italelgh. Four other negroes for
horn warrants are held, have escap
ed. The Warrcnton home guard, order
ed out by Governor Morrison lust
last night, were under arms all day
and the Henderson guard stood in
1 dullness to respond t(t any can. How
ever, no further outbreak was thought
probable. The coroner's Jury held an
inquest this morning and quickly re
turned a verdict of "death at the hand
of unknown versons. "
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'" X.c? 5T AUGUSTINE
the various bodies from
initteos- are expected.
The four Parent-Teacher assoeio
tiona, the Women's Club, Thursday
Afternoon Club, Current Literature
mittee of the national advisory com
mittee.
TOI.FDO. Jan. 25. (A. P.)--M-'our
bandits bound the proprietor and cus
tomers of a Jewelry store hand and
foot today and escaped In an automo
bile with Jewelry-worth ISO.linO.
Mi .in iM; to hi.oik
RATI', CASK PRGTF.ST
KI'.A'lTLi:, Wash., Jan. 25. The
slate public service commission will
meet here tomorrow hflernoon 10
frame a protest against the decision of
the Interstate commerce commission
In the Portland rate case. The scr
ew commission will hear Seattle, Ta-
coma and Everett port and shipping
men and 1 expected to ask the com
mercc commission, to hold a rchoaiinif.
I nf
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Club, Rotary Club, Central 1-abor
Council. American legion, Pepdleton
School Hoard, Commercial Associa
tion and the churches are all Invited
to send committees. These bodies
arc expected to co-operate in the per
manent organization of Community
Service.
A musical program is being ar
ranged in connection witTi Friday
evening's meeting.
iWEF
ON COLUMBIA IL
BE
mi
MIGRATION IN FUTURE
jMass Meeting Will Launch
Move for Use of Umatilla
Bapids Power Site for Irri-I-
gation and Other Uses.
Tendleton's two daily newspapers
today were designated by h Umatil
la county commissioners to be official
county papers. For the year Just end
ed the East Crgonian and tha Tri
bune have been official papers and, on
the figure submitted by them yester
day, they were again given the ap
pointments. A resolution condemning" a right of
way through lands of R. M- Dorothy
was passed by the commissioners to
day. This Is to furnish a missing link
in the highway up the Little Walla
Walla river.
A second resolution was passed by ;
the commissioners today tor the es- ;
tablishment of a compsite and quarry
along this same roadway. This after
noon Commissioners Dunning1 and
Bean motored to the east end of the
county to go over this road. Judge
Schannep remained in his office to see
persons who called for - conference
with the court.
Much Interest has been aroused in
th meeiine to be held at Cmatilla
. tomorrow afternoon for the purpose
WASHIVOTO.V Jan "5 (C. lMof discussing the proposition of devel-
The bouse foreign affairs commit-i-oping power at Cmatilla rapids and
tee has ordered a favorable report on there are prospects 01 a nui mi. ....
the Newton bill prohibiting
arants from entering the
AUDITOR DENIES THE
$60,000 BUILT SHIPS
NEW YORK. Jan. "5. (A. P.I
F. A. Snick, auditor of the Bethlehem
Steel Corporation, denied before the
Walsh committee any part 4ot the
$260,000 voucher which, was made out
for Schwab's expenses w-as ever ehargv
immi- ance from west end towns aim io.u cd ((J 9nj consvruction
I'nlted Pendleton.
si.ires unless aivnroved as desirable by S. H. Hoard man tonav siaieo .
the American consular officers
tlieir native countries. The bill is de
signed to check the flood of inmvgra
tio nat Its source.
MliMC
in I st roup delegation will be in attendance
from Roardman and Irrigon ana 11 is
believed all the west end towns of
Cmatilla county will be represented.
Pendleton will be represented by a
committee of five named by the pres
ident of the Commercial Association
and a number of other Interested par
ties. Thev are Intending to drive down
leaving here at 10 o'clock Wednesday
morning, arriving at Cmatilla in time
for' the opening of the meeting nt 1
o'clock.
Among those going down from here
will be Mayor C.eorge Hart man. !. II
Nelson. Pat ls.p.ergan, James Johns,
E. P. Aldrich, Dr. M. S. Kern. J. T
i,..,. Ham' KTnek and others. Mr.
nis I.oueh-' ii.i. i, h is chairman of the Cotunier-
M The al-
OWNERS SUB SOIL RIGHT
WASHINGTON. Jan. 25. ( I. P.)
Representations against granting sub
soil rights on land owned by Ameri
cans was made to the Mexluua govern
ment state department. It is learned.
(Iroilpe'l about I'rcs'ilem-eieci Heroine here are the men la.i.e.l t ;.c
eompnnv him to straw-hat land for the pre-lnautturatlon vaeatio.i. The map
i-hovs M. Augustine. Fin.', first dostlnat.on. Hire Ilnrdlmr. will board Sena
tor .1. S. Krelinghuysen's yacht for a ci :iis (In the water indicated by the
half-circle) where Joh-hmiters can't re:ch him. Frrlinglmysen is xhown in
the center below llardlns. On the left (top to bottom) Senator A. U. Cummins.
Miles C. Cahill, secret service guard, an l Senator Frederick Hale. Right, Sen
ator A. U. Fall (above) and lieui'o U. Chrtstlan, llarillnij's secretary.
PARIS, Jan. 25.
lied commission to ilet6rmine what
must be done toward rehabilitation of
Austria was appointed by the inter-al
lied supreme council. T
our Robert Thorne anil Signer t!ian-icil Association committee,
ninl were assigned by France. Rritain j ine of the objects of the meeting
and Italy lo study the Austrian situa-; tomorrow will be to consider legisla
tion and present a report before the j tion now- before the lawmakers at Sa
council adjourns. i lem and to make plans for a larger
The question of Herman Indemnity meeting to be held in Pendleton at an
was discussed exclusively outside Quai early date.
ITOrsay between the government
1 be ids and their experts. Pespite the
liviiortc.l disagreement between thei
ipivniieis, Lloyd C.eorgo and i.rtann.iy
j tin- two were smiling- when tnev met
today outside yuai L) t'rsay ana ennt-j
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PARIS. Jan. 2:1. 11 . r. ine 01-
fieial program of the supreme council.!
meeting here includes a discus-1
of the American scheme for at WASHINGTON. J.'n., 2.'. A rcso-
ica'tue of nations, the newspaper lotion directing the senate navel ai
I.'Inttansigeant said. ! fairs committee to report on whether
lit is possible for the I'nlted States to
This probably refers to the various 'suspend the naval hulldlng program
plans of Harding for.an association of for six months was adopted by the
nations. .vnatc.
Weather
Reported by Major Lee Moorhouse,
official weather observer.
Maximum. 3S.
Minimum, IS.
Haromcter. 29.60. '
i SUSPENSION OF NAVY
tr
now
i 1 1
i
t
THE .
WEATHER
FORECAST
Tonight and
Wednesday
rain or snow.