TUESDAY, AUGUST lfe 1920: . a'HE OREGON ? DAILY JOURNAL. PORTLAND. OREGON Y TOWN TOPICS Tnnfcn to all point of the United States or abroad sboald tak advantage of experienced rn I arm Una and service offered through The Ore- fon Journal Travel Bnreaa, In personal etiarae toney B. Smith. Bsilroad ticket! and stearmhip booking arranged. Foreign exchange issued. In formation givaa rrrsrdi&i passports. - OOMINS SVEfTTS ; ; Orerrm BeptUt Tonne People1 assemblf, J'1 tone Chautauqua grounds. Anrmt 2 1 - to ' ; Oramn Christian Endeavor supimrr eonierenoe, Forert Grove, August 80 to September . -- Baptist state convention, Corvallk, ScpUmDe ; Proa FeaUvmL Taneonver, Wi., September Sons !of Herman, grand lodes. Portland. SP- ' "end in Bmmd-fr. September 28-25. WaWiinetra State W. C X. t.. Vancoovat. : September 28-80. ! ; - Oregon State Fair, Salem, September 27 to October 2. . . . . . f l is bo State i fair r Boise, September 17 to Octuber 2. .,.:; - - ' !; - I'aclfic Coast G a association, Portland, Sep tember. - Wastiinstoa State Fair. Yakima, September. 20 25. ! ' f- alultnomatt County Fair, Gresham, October 4 to fi. . , i Paeifio International Livestock associatioh, Portland, November IS to 2). Oregon-Idaho Farmer' Educational Union of America., The Dalies, December 2 to 4. . j ' TODAY'S FORECAST 1 Portiand and vtcinity: Tonight (air; We6V nestle fair and warmer; variable winds. ' i - (itegon and Walanrton: Tonight' fair; Wednesday fair and warmer : .gentle wiada, mootly ; variable. , . 1 ; WEATHER COXDITIOHS ' A well defined low pressure area i eantral of the upptr Miaemiri Taller and the barometer ii relatively low off ' tbe Soathern California coast. In other ' sections the pressure is con Iterative)? high, the highest readings being over Southwestern. Washington. Light showers have ooenrrea on uj nortb ractlie coast and gen. rally in . tbe Atlantic and Kant Onlf states and heavy raina hart fallen in Tela and Mew lletico, 8.10 inches ha ring been recorded at Abilene, Texas, and 1.7ft inches at HosweUj, S. hi. The weather U much cooler in Eastern Washington, feaetern Oregon amd Central Cali? foraia, and correspondingly warmer in Montana and Southeastern Idaho: elsewhere changes in . temperature have been small and unimportant. llelsuve Humidity at Portland; Moon yes terday. 48 per cent; B p. m, yesterday, 48 per: cent; 6 a. m. today, 64 per esnt. Precipitation since January It Total. 17.89 inches; normal. 25.43 inches; deficiency, 7.53 inches. FRANK GILUU - , OBSERVATIONS ' IV it. report of preoed; Tamp, ma' !,.'";.-'. -S, -iS a3 STATIONS S ' Baker, Or. 94 64 0 Bbise. Idaho 100 64 O Boston, Mass. ............ 88 70 .04 Buffalo, N. I... 72 fl .03 : Chicago, HL ............. 78 64 0 Denver, Colo. . . ....... 82 60 O " lies Moines, Iowa , . 86 62 - O Fresno. Cel.- ...110' 74 O (ralveaton. Texaa 84 78 - O Helena, Mont. 92 60 .12 Honolulu, T. H 84. .... 0 Huron, 8.. D. . 84 60 0; Kansas City, Mo.......... 86 68 0 l.os Angeles, Cal 40 66 0 Msrshiicid, Or. 66 44 0 ? Medford. Or. ..a......... 06 . . i , 0: Memphis, Ten n. .......... 84 70 ' 0 Missoula, Mont. .......... 84 60 0 . Modena. Utah 84 60 O ; New Orleans, La 88 79 ,16 Nrw York. N. T. ........ . 84 1 1.14 Nome. Alaska ........... 62 .... .10 Nortn Head, Wash 58 54 0 North Platte. Neb . 80 56 0 Oklahoma, City, Okla 86 68 0 Phoenix. Aria. ...... 100 72 0 Pittsburg. Pa. ...... i 82 '88 O- Pocatsllo, Idaho .......... 86 70 0 , ' Portland. Or. ........... . HO 57 0 Prince Rupert, B. C... 60 . Rosebnrf, Or. 80 56 .0 i RoiweU, N, M. ...... 104 60 1.7 Sacramento, Cal............ 104 70 O i St. Louis, Mo. 84 70 O ' St. Paul, Jllnn. 84 62 0 Salt IJLke City, Utah 94 88 0 San Diego,, Cal 82 68 0 San Franel-co, Cal. ........ 66 64 O Seattle. Wah. 76 62 0 Sheridan. Wyo.; 08 54 O 8itka, Alaika. ........... . i . . - O Spokane. Wssh. .......... 94 84 0 - Bwit Current. Bask. .-. i . , . 84 .... ..' Taeoma, WasH. ..... 78 60 0 Taraya. 1'la. . i. i90 72 .86 Tausrta. Alaska 62 0 Tatooeh Island, Wash. 58 60 .91 Tonopah, Nev. . U4 68 O Triangle Island. B. C.....k. 68 Valrtea. Alaaka ........ 58 .... 0' Vancouver. B. C. ........ .7 76 . . . . Waliia Walla, Wash........ 96 66 a O Washington, D. C ....... t. . 86 72 .06 UlDUton. N. P. ....... . , r. 98 t2 0 Winntmueca. Nefi 98 60 0 Yakima. Wah. 98 44 0 vAoanon on summer sussottiBcns Wben going away for the snmmer or on your vacation, bare The Journal' follow yon. at the regular rate, er the following aghU will (apply yow at regular city rstes; Barview, Or. W. A. SijJpell Jr. Bay City. Or. Sirs. T. A. GiUeB. Cannon Beach Ecola. Or. H. L. Hirrli ' Carson, Wah.-iarl B. Sknitls, also Ship nerd t Springs. . Garibaldi,. Or. .: '. :.,,-., nr. W. I TtT)fnnn. " Tmg Beach, Wash. Stranhal Co. ; : Manhattan Beach Mrs. G. 1. Huston. Mansanita Heaeh Emil G. KardeU. . Nesh-Kah-Kle. Or. A. 0, Anderson, . NeUalesi. ; Or. Nehalem Drug cumpacy. Netarta. Or. Mrs. 1L P. Cross. Newport, Or. M. 8. Hunt. ' Pacific Cit O. H. Ward. Ocean Park, Wash. C-ei. H. Kramer. -'! Rackaway Beach, Or. FY P. Miner. - Seaside, Or.- J astro McCune, -Roth Drug store. . - ; Sea view, Wash. Oet tj.- Putnam. Tillamook. Or. V. U Ebcrman. " Twin ltncks. Or. D. J. Van ftcyea, , Wilhoit Springs P. W. McLeran. ' ing day. Game) Laws Violated Virgil and Ver nie Ketlow of Sheridan, tvere arrested last week at Sheridan by O. W. Ruasell, deputy tram tvarden, f tfr havine deer meat In thelrpossesson out of season and were fined $25 and $8 corta each, following- a trial at Tillamook Saturday, according: to a report filed atUhe head, quarters of the state fame commission. A warrant has been issued for the arrest of a third brother, Orin Kellow, charging him n-lih, the name offense. A. report ha a also been filed in the case of T. G Chatterton of Sllets, who wti arrested on the Sileta river by Deputy Wardens Bremmer and McFarland last week f or: havinjf wild pigeons in his possession. Chattertoii waa fined $25 at Newport. Aato Leavg St. Charlet Hotel ' for Scappooee 6 :30 a. m.; St. Helens, Astoria and Seaside, 10 aw m., 1:30 p. m. : Scap poose and St. Helens, .4 p. m. ; extra Sat urday and Sunday to Scappooae and St.: Helens, 11:15 p. m. Cascade Locks and Hood JUver, 9:45 a. m., 2:45 p. in.: Bridal Veil and Multnomah Falls, 10 au m., -4 p. m. ; extra Saturday andi Sunday. 11:15 p. m. to Bridal Veil. For Information call .Marshall 1 4381. Adv. i Injared Eye Kemoved--Rcrnoval of the left eye of W. E. Burk, 45,: 8? Kaati Seventy-eia-hth street, saw filer in the Slmond Manufacturing company, was made necessary Monday afternoon at St. Vincents hospital, after the eye had. been pierced by a file point. Burk waa; filing- a saw and his file slipped. The; force of the aaw knocked the file out of his nana. "Hibernian to EoM a Big Eallj The Ancient Order of Hibernians will hold an : Irish, rally Thursday night at Hibern ia. ball, 340 RunseU street. Speak4 era will be Father O'Flynn, who has Juai returried from a year In Ireland, on "Conditions as I Observed Them in Ire land." and Captain Cicero F. Hogan ot ' the field artillery- Oeorge Hennessy will entertain with songs and stories. Portlaad-Jfewberg Bmr leave Fourth and Alder daily, 8:30, 9:30, 11 a m.. and 1. 2 :30, 4 :15, 5 :30, :30 p. m. ; Saturday and Sunday, 11 p. m. Fhone Main 8314. Adv. 1 Repairman lajnred C L. Thorall. 37; muiwright, living at 631 Marshall street wniie doing some repair work i at the Eastern & Western Lumber mills at the 1 1 11 '- ' 1 " i : i v foot of Twenty-first street north, fell 13 feet from a perch, striking on his head, Monday. He was taken to the Good Sa maritan hospital, where his scalp was found to be injured. He went home later. ' ' i ; Beef Plant Fire Two engine com panies and one truck company ot the fire department were called to Albina and Killingawortb venues t 11 :50 o'clock Monday night to exUngulsh a fire . originating In an electrie-drlven motof belt In th Albina, dressed beet pkant at 132 Killingsworth,aVenue. Ac cording to Lioiitenant H. OUL in charge of engine 24, the damage is $50. Pytnlaae i to : Confer Cosmopolitan lodge, Knights of Pythias, will confer the, rank of Knight Wednesday evening at the Pythian building. The new and costly regalia and robes vwlll be used for the first time. Refreshrhents wijl be served. I All brother Knights of Pythias are cordially invited. Moose Have Oatlng Thailand and de gree team of Portland lodge of Moose Sunday occupied Crystal Lake park with games, baseball, contests, swimming, pic nicking and concerts. The band gave two concerts in the afternoon, much appre ciated by all. Father Is Aeeaaed Walter I Warren was held by District Judge Bell Monday to .the Multnomah county grand Jury on the charge of having committed serious statutory offenses against bis 11-year-old daughter. ! Salem-MIU City Stage XIae Connects O. E. train No. 6 Salem, arrive Mill City 1 p. m. Also connects O. C train No, 9 Salem, arrive Mill City 1 p. mi Joseph Hamman. proprietor, . SAlem- Phone 44 Adv. " I Wanted by Paeifle Iron works. East Twenty-ninth and Clackamas, two expe rienced rakers for putting down asphalt pavement on wood bridge floor:-short job, transportation paid to and from location of work. Adv. Steamer Iralda for St. Helens and Rainier, dally at 2 :30 p. m., foot of Alder street. 1. Sunday, S(t. Helena only, 1:30 p. m. Adv. Swimming Every Afteraoon and eve ning. Dancing every evening except Bun day and Monday at Wlndemuth. -Adv. Kalama Boy Loses : Life in Lewis River j t I : . " i Kalama, Wash., Aug. 17. While in bathing with Other boys Sunday-after noon during a Finn picnic near Wood land, this county, Olaf Vern Antilla, 15-year-old son of Mr- and Mra. A. J. An tila of Kalama, was drowned in the Lewis river.: The body was recovered within (15 minutes. He was the only son of the proprietor of the Kalama Mer cantile . company. S;.viv t a 3 Lximbermen Killed In JOregon in Week Salem, Aug. 17. Three fatalities were Included In the. list of 500 accidents re ported to the state Industrial accident commission for the week ending August 12. Workmen losing their lives through accidents in Oregon ' Industries during the week were: Me'rton Sackett, lum berman, Kerry ; R. L. Focher, lumber man; Cochran : Loyal H. Truesdale, lum berman, Reedsport. fJoiice! j We have fjust been notified by the RADI ANTF1RE m a nuf a c- urer that the .prices have been advanced. ,. On; the new basis they will cost' from $3 f to $6 more each, not figuring the expected increase in freight from Michigan to Portland. ;Ve have som e n o w which were bought before this advance and you can have yours at the . ; Old Price but ' : ' : by buying now you are the gainer. ,1 Someone is going to get these at the old price. Others wilt wait " . and pay the advance. , Don't procrastinate! Select yours this week. Portlaad Oag Coke Co. Alder STear Fifth Miller ?& Tracey High Class F antral Service Main 2691 578-85 Eich Uncle Leaves : ; 8400,000 to 'Four- Portland 'Ohildren A large inheritance from- their uncle. George C. Sherman, who reoenUy died in New Tork, has been received by each of the four children .of Mrs. ; Frances A. Sherman, Bryee and Glenn streets. Mrs. Sherman has not yet received a copy of the will, but it la rumored that the chil dren will receive about f 100,000 each upon reacmng 4,heir n inheritance iage. Sherman was -a paper imannfacturer of New York and m brother-in-law f Mrs. Sherman. ', v ; : " 1 v . ' i I. rThe Sherman Children, one daughter and three sons, range in age from 1 to 18 years. The oldest: sson, i aged 16, is away from home at J present, - having sailed on the lumber echooner Oregon Fir for Australia recently, to be gone for about a year. ? j t- i ..... Mrs. Sherman was one Of the candi dates for schook director at the recent school election and has had wide ex perience in educationalj work. Municipal Band ! Plays at Mt. Tabor , Park Tuesday Eve. f.: i ' ' r f-T. f !!' 'i-v' Tuesday's municipal band concert will be given at Mt. Tabor park, beginning at 8 p. m.. with Joe Bj Ettinger as con ductor. The program will include: Overture, 'Teat" . Lantner Selection, from Offenbach operas. ..--; Boettgar "Inrlution to the Dance! 4 . .Weber Coronation March, from "Tba Prophet".... . ' ; - :i:J:Meyebeer Selection "Atilla" , i j . . , . K . . . . .VerVB 'i HI "A,.na ,"'- ' M- --i- ..Lincke tbi ";WhiapTin Flowers" . . , . . . Von Blon --t '- (Requwted by lln. DgTia.) i Poll Dance No. 1 ... , i ..,.. L .Schorwenka Medley; "Sweet Old SongVf ... t , Dalbr . 1 oimi Bpangieo i oanneT. - . " - '' ' i i ". Colonel W. S. Search, Eugene Banker, Dies 'i- Eugene, Aug. 17. Stricken with heart failure. Colonel William S. Search, vice president of the Eugene Bank of Com merce, and for two years commander of the local Q. A. R. post, idled at the summer home of his son-in-law, B. B. Brundage, near Leaburg, Monday. He was 74 years of age and is survived by nis wire ana one daughter Mrs. Brun dage. The funeral wilt be in charge of the G. A. R. j i - , Closing Week Of Bible School at 1 1 Gladstone Opens NEW BULL RUN DAM ASSURES PORTLAND WATER 100 YEARS Portland's water supply j for the next century is apparently assured, authorities declare, aur a result of the completion of the new, dam at Bull Run lake, source of the city water, and a great, saving, ft is said, has been, effected in avoiding the necessity for future construction of storage reservoirs. ; . . Sunday the . temporary restraining wall was blasted and ' the water from the lake rushed into the dam, where it was successfully held in check, Com missioner Mann's office has been ad vised. Telephonic communication ' with the tender at Bull Run will -permit Portland officials to dictate'' the flow Of water from the: lake and will re sult in bringing to Portland regular and emergency water supplies. - v The big dam was started in. 1918 and has : been completed during three sum mers at an approximate cost of $30. 607. However, estimated needs, for fu ture reservoirs would . have 1 provided for ' the , expenditure of ; approximately $3,000,000. it is said. i : Tests -were made Monday of the dam's operation, and every feature) la said to have worked splendidly. . . Oregon City, Aug. IT. The final week of the summer Bible' school. being con ducted at Gladstone park by1 the Moody-Bible- InsUtute of Chicago, 'opened Mon day, with Dr. Oeorge E. Guille and Dr. B. B. Sutcllffe, both of the extension de partment of the institute, In charge of the classes. A large attendance has been noted all through the Session and many turned out for the lecture of Dr. H. A. Ironsides, pastor of , the First Presby terian church at Victoria, B. C. Monday. ' The Institute has planned to make next Sunday young people's) day; with a spe cial program arranged for them. Dr. W. B. Hlnsoa of Portland Will speak and NEW MILK. COMMISSION": . r- -' " TO HOLD SESSION TUESDAY Mayor Baker's reoeniy appointed milk commission, wljich will seek ito. deter mine the fairness of milk prices and settle contentions between the Oregon Dairymen's . league and . the j Portland Milk distributors, will meet at the city hall at 4 o'clock Tuesday afternoon.. All members of the commission have not yet signified : their acceptance of , their appointments but have,- it is i reported, indicated that they: will ; be present at the meeting. j , NEW FIRE SAFE-GTJAJlDLXG MEAStJRE READY TO SUBMIT ' Fife Marshal Edward Grenfell is ready to submit to the city council an ordinance designed to make more safe frfrm' fire losses Various types of build ings in Portland. ; The ordinance,' which will be offered for the council's approval August 25, will require inclosed stair ways and elevator shafts in buildings of three stories or more, thus increasing the safety thereof at least 75: per cent, according to Grenfell. . WITNESS DENIES INSPECTION' WAS HARDSHIP ON BUILDER - Hans pederson. contractor in the con struction of The Auditorium, was favored in official inspections of the: work as much as was consistently possible, ac cording to the testimony of L. H. Hoff man, superintendent" of building, who waa a witness before The Auditorium elaims committee at a meeting Mon day night. Hoffman denied that undue severity had been practiced in inspec tions - '; I : : .. -j ;:... '. the Christian Endeavor and B. T. P. V. organizations will I arrange for other numbers on the program. Due to the suooess of the classes this year the in stitute, will make the school an annual feature at the park. .1 ..: lj "Ji":, News Beporters in San Francisco Are. Offensive to Prince . Crown Prince Carol of Roumania met his first American newspaper reporter at San Francisco and he hadn't recov ered from - the shock when he arrived here. He waa frankly auspicious of the men ..who met tolm at the elation and shied 'at the yawning cameras, ' ' "The prince had hard luck At San Francisco,'' explained Samuel Hill, who accompanied . the ..Roumanian visitors from the southern port. "I never saw, even in Sab Francisco, a more discour teous bunch of newspaper men. One fellow grabbed the prince by. the arm and began telling, him that he, had met his family in Europe somewhere. , 'I knew your mother intimately, and am delighted to meet you here,' shouted this pest. And then a- movie camera man tugged atthe prince's coat and com manded . him to turn this ,way, . won't you hown'l do you think I can get you that way r" , : ' " . - ' When he bad become convinced that the Portland news writers were Just as energetic but less offensive in manner. Prince Carol talked freely and at the Arlington club after the party had lunched, he proved himself an entertain ing talker and keenly interested in Aitift- Democrats Stage Last Minute Rush To Tile in:Cowlitz Kalama," Waah., Aug. 17- riling- tot county offices In Cowllta county closed Saturday with a rush of Democrats for several offices, including the following i L. 3. Perry of Silver Lake for senator i George Oyster of Kelso for sheriff; John F. Schauble of Kalama for treasurer Zed Crevelling of Kalama for assessor; D. A Hooper of Silver Lake for com miislo'ner in - Third district, and L. C Chase of Kalama and ian Whitlow of Woodland for commissioner In the First district, the only contest on the Demo cratic -ticket. - - --- -- - - ':---;- -:. j . The Republicans have contests for several offices. The Farmer-Labor ticket will be selected when that organisation holds a convention on primary election day, September 14. . ' I - J Card of Tbanka - 'i We desire to thank the many-friends and neighbors who so kindly bestowed help and sympathy during the sickness and death of our beloved Wife and daughter Mary, also for the beautiful floral offerings and - trimmings, the comforting words spoken at the funeral. Gilbert liarmon, Jacob - Wortman and Family, Harvey Harmon and Family. 1 During Jf arid Aigust -The st6re Th a t fHmmm0mmm Undersells Because , Tisi ana - .Jtl It Sells for Cash" women' and children' Ail prices. ...... , ' f 3.50 to fll.60. , 1 1 ' ' .Store Closes Ved. 1 P. Pflster's Cotton and Worsted Bath ing Suits in all styles, colors.jixfs 93.00 to S6.50 ""it. TJottt women a and chiWren'a FURNACES insure lowest cost heating INVESTIGATE ; Pipe or Pipeless Furnaces repaired don't wait until winter, do it now and save your winter fuel. .. . Call or write for leaflet- ALDER SHEET METAL WORKS Washington Street, Bdwy. S(S - T : We Have Inaugurated a Half Holiday During July and August on Wednesday of Each Week, Closing Our Store at I P. M. Solicifing your cooperation, we most respectfully request , that you arrange to do your shopping before I p. m. on Wednesdays during the hot months of July and August. As an inducement we have arranged the following list of unmatchable underpriced offerings r every one .of vjiich is a ! y " . ' :' Bargain Extraordinary! E. X T R A From 9 A. M. to I P. M. Wednesday A Sale of the Popular Autoware Coatings at $1.98 a Yard In. the Dress Goods section a special showing and sale of 48 to 5(2-inch -Autoware Coatings. A splendid wool faced corded fabric especially desirable for women's and children's coats ; s tan, brown, green, wine, myrtle, slate, biscuit, navy, etc.. Just about half, price. " . . - . , E X T R A From 9 A. M. to 1 P. M. Wednesday . Sale of Smart Gingham House Frocks at $1.29 OS Price Seven .smart models in rferac and matched bindings plaids, checks, plain colors and fancy patterns. Button shoulder, Middy, side fasten,. Butterfly, Balmacaan and-., other styles. E X T R A Freen 9 A. M. to 1 P.fM. VVedneaday a - A Bargain Sale of Men's Cotton Socko at 29c Pair As a trade winning special for Wednesday forenoon, we have un derpriced a fine line of Men's Cotton Socks; black with white sole. They are made ; absolutely seamless ; no seam on toe; all sizes- E X T R A . From 9 Av M. to 1 P. M. Wedaeaday A Special Sale of Women's Eitrite Union Suits at 49c a Suit Fine seasonable weight cotton Union Suits in low neck style, with tight or lace trimmed knee. Sizes 34, 36 and 38 only. No phone of mail orders. v' - 1,.-'V ; Oven Baked! r v i ne minute you ) ? x taste them! ' 3SM ItfifflSD' ffiMi j are wholesome, full of food value, very ;.cco I nomical, ready to serve instandy, arid make fa delicious, ' appetizing,- satislying nieaL - . .. .. ' i .- Four Kinds: Heins BeUced Beans with Pork and Tomato Sauce Heixa Baked Pork and Beans (without Tomato Sauce) Boston style , ; Heinz Baked Beans in Tomato Saoce withbnt Meat (Vegetarian) r ' ' " " :r- Heinz Baked Red Kidney Beans E X T R A From 9 A M. to 1 P. M. Wedaeaday ' In Our Basement : Crepe Toilet Paper at 75c Dozen Rolls A. Crepe Tissue Toilet Paper of. fine quality, - put up in 6 'oz. rolls and placed' on sale for one day only at the' above price. No phone orders. '.Qnly. l?,,fpJls t. a customer. j Qur Store ' Now':Operis at 9 A.M., E X T R A From 9 A. M. to 1 P. M. Wednesday , We Will Place On Sale 1500 Yds. of Lohgcloth at 45c a Yard ; A. standard quality" 36-Inch White Longcloth. Not more than 10 yards to any one purchaser. No phone or mail orders; . The Most in ValueThe Best in Quality Store Closes . at 5:30 P. M. ' Saturdays at 6P.M. ill MiiHiiiiniiiinii::::;:iii!:;il:;:::::i;,,,i ,ou know the old say ingt "Dr bp ping w - TT water wears away - the hardest stone." It's the persistency that does itv' t 'J J Same way with savings. ea M ' i the persistent saver who ' wins. . - " es i It's It isn't sufficient to open the aan at r'fMini : :T 'n.ll , w . w 9. best results fromjrouri sav ings you must persistently t; addHo it every payday. Try and see how pleas ' s ant a hsbit is persistency m Is' . : Hi ml -tf ';va ' H :j --ft j --pr"' . ' , .-ff J . . : : -1 v,!s r 4 Savings Department ;! l&f iEs ifv HiHo N -; AskforMr;Hoyt . VV 1 1. X - -' ,'' v-'' ' ' !" - - " fees. 'fr?, e"", .'9-. w mIT tMir- v. f-1,A, "Tin?