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HOPKINSON SMITH was in
Fratic wlien the war broko
out,' he spent September
in
In
ana la now
back
Hew Tortc. He basbrougnt noma
; many sketches, ot eketchea which
BUggebt war In the least, but which,
were made with the thought of th
war lurking -In the background.
"Curiously- enough," he said, with
ont waiting for any opening question
trora the reporter Mr. Smith often
Interviews hlmaelf "curiously enough,
X waa on jny way to IChelnis to make
' a sketch of the Cathedral When the war
' broke out. I had .fjrt' ou mak
aeries of eketches" of the great JJuro
. pean cathedrals. Kot etchings, but
charcoal sketches.
"I had been In London for some
i tlm. I hod sketched In Westminster,
In Bt Bartholomew's. Everything
peaceful and Quiet. It seems now as
If wa 6ught to have felt all of us, the
people on the streets, I, shopkeepers,
every one the approach of this tre-
mtndq'ua war. But we dldn"t. of
course. , No one in Kngland Jiad the
faintest suspicion that this terrible In
human thing was going to happen.
I went on to France. I sketched
i XCotre Dame, over which they exploded
hells a month or so later. I did some
work In the beautiful St. Etienne. I
sauntered down the South Normandy
"t and was stopping for a little color
work at the Inn of William the Con
queror before going on to Rheims.
I "The war broke-out. There at the
quiet little French inn everything sud
denly changed color. It was quick. It
ras quiet. There was a complete
' ha.nge in the snap of a finger. All
the chauffeurs and the porters and
the waiters men who had' been there
for yeara and with whom we who visit
there 'summer after summer have
grown - familiar suddenly, stopped
n work, give up: their Jobs, were turned
into soldiers. " One hardly 1.rcordzsd
' them. .
"We, were all stunned. I realtzed
that I could not go on to Rheims,. that
I probably should not get down Into
-. Italy. - I scarcely realized at ffrtit what
!' that meant. I could not conceive, none
f-us could conceive," Mr,! Smith ex
ploded violently, "that any one, under
'. ny necessity whatsoever, -should lay
; hands on the Rheims cathedral.' It's
too monstrous! -The world will never
forgive It, never! t
Barbarism vs. Civilization.
: "The world is divided, I tell you! It
Is not' a double Triliunce and a triple
entente; It is not a Germany and a
Russia and a United States and an
Italy and an England. ' That is not the
division of the world Just now. There
are two aides, and only two sides,
There is barbarism on the one hand,
civilisation on, the other; there is
brutality and there Is humanity. And
humanity la going to win, but the
Sacrifices are awful awful!"
. "How about the feeling in France,
Mr. Smith r '
"I caa't tell you how overwhelming-
'iT, pathetlo it is the sight of . these
brave Frenchmen. Every one has re-
"marked It. Once and for all the tra
dition that the French are an excita
ble, emotional people with no grip on
their passions and no rein on their
Impulses that fiction Is dead for all
' time. . ' . - . p . ; '
"IvSaw that whole first act of
Frances drama. I saw the French
people stand still on that first day and
take breath. Then I saw France set
to work. She was unprepared but she
was ready in spirit. There was no ex
citement, there were no demonstra-
,. tions. - The men climbed Into their
trains without any exhibitions of
patriotism, without any ; outbursts.
There were many women crying quiet-
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ly. with children huddled about their
skirts.
"The spirit of England is different,
but there is the same lack of excite
ment. I chartered a motor bus when
the war broke out and got to Paria.
and hen went back to London, where
I sketched for a month, saw niy
friends and talked war.
"Making sketches in war time is
very different, by the way, from mak
ing sketches in time of peace. It is
a business full of possibilities when all
manner of spy suspicions are' aflpat.
I made up my mind to ao a sKetcn
the Royal Exchange. Not as ii "hould
have done it a -year before -rtf?d yoa.
nor even three months before, but ,
now, with the thought of bomb-drop-
ping Zeppelins in the back of my mind.
It occurred to me when I was hurry
ing along one rainy evening in a taxi
past the Stock Exchange, the Globe
Insurance, the Bank of England.
Everywhere cabs drawn-up along the
curbing, cabs slipping past, people,
great moving crowds of people With .
their umbrellas up, moving ofr down
Threadneedle and Victoria.
If the Germans Came.
"A lot of human life and some very
beautiful architecture and a good part
of the worlds business, all concen
trated here. And I thought to myself
what might happen should the cul
tured Germans get as far as London,
and should the defenders of the
world's civilization drop a bomb down
Into the heart of things here. I pic
tured to myself what havoc could be ,
wrought.
"And I thought, too, of places like
Southwark. Ever been in Southward?
Horrible. A year before. When I was
! making the- sketches" for my Dickens
! book 1 spent a great deal of time In
the Southwark section. Now, with the
prospect of Zeppelins, I thought again
of Southwark. A bomb in a Southward
streetl Good Lord, can you imagine
the horror of it? There 50 or 60 fami
lies are packed into a single tenement,
and the houses in their turn are packed
one. against the next along streets so
narrow that the buildings seem to be
nodding to- each other, touching fore
heads almost. Desperately poor peo
ple, children swarming every moment
of -the day and night up and down ;
these dark stairways, up and down
these (hideously dark streets. Now
drop a bomb In the midst of 1 all.
That Is what Englishmen are thinking
of now. -T
didn't go over Into Southwark; I
'THIS WAR IS A GLORIOUS THING" ELLEN
UTS TERRY Is one of those who
17 .. n bcom a gentle tradi-
up the'stege Xt
has published her
rreiuav -
tlon. b"
Eh Via Dubllshed her
remeil8ce. but she has not, fol-
lowing these tsswu....
climbed upon the sneir. ' '
Last week she arrived in New York
city to complete a series of Shake
speare readings which the war inter
rupted in Australia. By no, means is
this a farewell tour, but one has the
apprehensive feeling that it may . be
the last time that America will see
Miss Ellen Terry. For, this is the
woman who 58 years ago was playing
in "The Winter's Tale" wltn Cnarles
Keane, who has seen a full half cen
tury of hard, earnest work on the
stage. . v-
Miss Terry is no longer young. She
was born in 1818. But that amazing
vitality which has placed her ; In the
rank of Eiuse and Bernhardt has not
cooled down by, so, much, as a degree.
-Her. 'fine eyes are as flashing's they
ever were, her hands are as firm and
strong, her wit as nimble.
' In, fact, it is somewhat of a task to
keep Up with Miss Terry.. On the oc
casion of thlft interview-she waa sit
PORTLAND, OREGON, SUNDAY MORNING, DECEMBER 20, 19141
ENGLAND AS
R Hopkinson: Smith Describes New Spirit of a Calm
jPranceTalk of Lack of English Patriotism Is ; " Bosh. "
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cotildn't stand it. The next day I
went back to the Stock Exchange to
make my sketch. I've done sketches
in London before every, nook and
cranny of it but this time I felt a
little nervous when I , got there with
my umbrella and my little tools. But
I managed it. I said to the bobby, I
said "
And then. Mr. Smith, getting up
from his chair and relapsing Into the
frown that always means he is going
4 , rl.u impossible to-reproduce
to tell a story, showed how he man
Mr.'Smlth's inimitable manner.
T' "Are you?- now? said I.
; Well,. ow can I tell? said he.
h'But if you're the excellent English
bobby that I believe you to be,', said I,
ypu'll see at once that I'm an honest
American artist just here to do a little
sketching.' - ' f
. " 'I tell you . said he. , W'y don't
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England VFambus Actress, Now in i New York,
. , o J I ;
jistraion Period
ting on the edge of her couch at the
hotel. , She had just seen the "repre
sentatives of the press"' en masse.
Seine peopje don't mind them. Miss .
Terry doesn't. 'V '" ' - .
j"I don't mind them In. the least;
they're, -in jact, ' a curious phenom- :
enon, and V should love to talk to
them if they would only ask. me some
questions, but. ' dearie me, they all .
crowd In and as many sit down as the
hotel furnishes accommodations in one '
room for and that ' means three of
them and, the rest stand about and
then I begin to cackle along and
cackle along and they stand it just
about as long as they can and . they
begin to wiggle and want to get away
and I begin to think how terrible it is
r that they haven't asked roe anything
and yet I don't give them a chance
but just go on with, my cackle and
getting rather nervousrahout it all too,
and after a while when I just-stop to
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The RpxT- Excluaanfo
you just pop hup and see 'Is lordship
the mayor? .
"And so I did pop up and I told the
lord mayor my troubles and- he waved
me a hearty wave of his hand and
aid he'd i do anything to oblige an
American, and I came down again, and
here was the bobby still very upright
but watching I my approach from ! the
tail of his eye. And I pretended I had
never seen him, but as I went pest I
slipped him a cigar, and when X passed,
back again he twinkled his eye. Stuck
between the ,buttons of his coat, there
being no other, place, was my fat cigar.
"I made my1 sketch' of the Royal Ex
change. I want Americans to see: what
fan happen I if his imperial lowness
over on. the continent sees fit to send
his Zeppelins to England. v-Not-being
big enough nor strong enough to in
jure England vitally, he can take this .
method of Injury, he can Injure women
Jlh Th&wUx& LuJlJ; ,i:iiv iWM
3t BdJribLakrizW'5 tVixz : Groat-
draw a " breath, . thejw all get up to-,
gether and then they all go out like
a flock of birds and I think after
ward what ' they can write "about, for
they haven't! asked me any ' questions
and I haven't told them anything! but
nonsense. '- , "' ; ' t
All this In one solid sentence. One
has the sneaking suspicion that Miss
Terry has reduced the art of being
interviewed to a safe and sane point.'
"Knitting : doesn't make me keep,
any quieter either." " And she begins
to untangle 'herself from some' gray
wool.
This is-fearfully complicated this
is plain andSthls is pure. you see,
and I am continually getting snarled
up In the miserable thing now one
- two-three-four. It's not for the sake
of the' soldiers that I. knit, I can as
. sure you.; It would have to be a terri
' bly strong soldier who ; could wear
anything Jthat X knit' for him, but it's
SEEN IN WAR
and children and malm horses, destroy
business and works of art and blow up
the congested districts.
. "W. have seen what 'the savior of
the world's culture could do in France
and Belgium; it is small wonder that
all England has in the back of her
head surmises as to what he might
accomplish if some of his air craft
crossed the channel. By which I do
not mean to say that the English are
apprehensive. They are not nervous.
I hayet spent mora,, than a month with
theWmong my own friends, learning
the general temper of the exjuntry. '
- "There are no demonstrations, there
, is no boasting, no display. London is
much the same as it always wa. At
night London is darkened, in accord
ance with the order of the ninth of
October, but that is about all the dif
ference. It is so dark that you can
hardly get up Piccadilly, but London
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Believes That the Re-
: for my own good one-two-thre
-it
lets me down easy to my grave.
"t am- afraid that" here in America
just now the war has made a differ
ence in the audiences; . it has melted
them away yes." -.
"No, -it is not - that ; Shakespeare -is
outworn here, . in England, anywhere.
- There has been a tremendous decline
here In America in. the interest for
Shakespeare; that we must all. ad
mit, .but why' must , we" feel so sad
. about it T 'It is not a thing to be re- '
gretted. It is only a sign that 'we are
- gathering strength, for a fresh period
of some sort something new. , This
' jhas been a glorious time to " live in,
i these : past ten, twenty- years. Every-
thing rolling up in , one great cos-
glomerats mass that is going to be set :
' to . order Tery pfeaently. ; '
'. ."Interest .in .. Shakespeare has de
clined yes. But it is useless to look
- back at the -old -masters, "at Charles.
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takes her amusements about as usual. f
The theatres are not overcrowded, but
neither are they empty. For luncheon
and for dinners Prince's is full, the
Carlton is full. The searchlights are
playing over the city looking. for those
Zeppelins. That is a new wrinkle to
me; the idea of blinding the men up
there at the wheel with a powerful
light is a good one.
England Is Patriotic.
"These Englishmen have their teeth
set. They know perfectly well that
they are fighting for their existence. .
All this talk of the necessity of drum
ming up patriotism in England, is
bosh. England has no organized pub
licity bureau such as Germany, and
in contrast she may have seemed
quiet to the point of apathy. But
don't ' fancy that Englishmen are
apathetic They are slow - and they
are sure. They are just beginning
to realize that they have these .fel
lows by the back of the "necks. Be
fore I left London I saw every day
in the Temple Gardens, down by the
Embankment, that steady drill of
thousands of young men In straw
hats, yellow shoes and business suits.
I -felt their spirit.
"There is a great fundamental dif
ference between the spirit of Germany
and the spirit of the allies,' and the
whole world has recognised It. With
the allies there has been no boasting,
even now when they realize that the
top is reached and this war is on the
, down grade. There is determination,
but there Is no cock surehess, no goose
step. There is no insolence.
"Why, in the last analysis, is . the
whole world against Germany? Be
cause of her Insufferable insolence.
It is an Insolence which has boen
fairly bred in the bone of every Ger
man soldier. I can give you a little
concrete instance. My daughter-in-law
had been serving in one of th'
. Paris hospitals ever since the war
broke out. She was finally placed on
a committee which was to meet : the
trainloads of wounded soldiers when
they first arrived.
"In one of the cars one day, there
, was a wounded officer, a German. lie
spoke no French, and a young French
lieutenant, very courteous, was try
ing to make him understand some
thing. My daughter, too. had no auc-
TERRY
Keane. who was my master; at all the
old school and feel sad that we have
not their like now. Shakespeare will
last always. He is like the beautiful
hills of Italy and of Greece, crowned
with old buildings; they are beau
tiful because they . are old and be-
cause they endure. We shall not need
to revive Shakespeare; he will revive
himself. . !
"Oh, this . war is a glorious thing!
I cannot speak with horror and dread
of it There is much that is dreadful
about it, I grant you, but why can
not all the gloomy pessimists take'
heart and see what it is going to mean
for the world? One cannot be flip
pant about ao terrible a thing, but one
can be glad. ,
"It will be a glorious time to live
when the building up after this war
shall have begun. Everything will be
-renewed fresh life, fresh energy,
fresh initiative. Even in the face -of
all the suffering and anguish th
goes before I cannot be sad it is go-"
ins to be a tremendous opportunity.
"How beautifully I talk one-twe-;
three-four I ought ts stick to knit
ting f . ' ..-
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cess. Finally a young German, a com-
mon soldier who was in the same car
said to his German officer: 'I am an
Alsatian; I can Interpret for you.'
'"How dare you!' And the Ger
man officer turned to him in perfect ,
fury. How do you, a common soldier,
dare to speak to me. an officer! And
with that he struck the Alsatian full
in the face with what little strength
he had left.
"Now there is an example of the at- ,
titude to which the German military :
has been trained.
"On another occasion when a .
French officer, after one.otuJm X Un
ties, came courteously, to the com
manding German officer of the divis
ion and said, 'Sir, you are my pris
oner,' the German spat in his ' face.
That is all very dramatic and you
may say! that he showed much spirit,
but you could hardly call It a sport
ing spirit, surely not a civilised
spirit.
"It Is this domineering spirit that
the whole world is resenting.! Noth
ing that Germany can do through her
t well organized press agents can con
ceal that insolence which has been a
continuous policy for many years,
American opinion is almost unanimous
in its opposition to Germany for this
one reason.
"Sir Gilbert Parker recently sent
me a whole bundle of papers asking .
me to judge England's case fairly and '
ask my friends In America to do the
same. I wrote back? and asked him:
'Why do you waste stamps 'sending
evidence ; to America? America has
the evidence and if there has been say
anti-English feeling in America, von
Bernstorff and Dernburg -long since ',
demolished it.' j ' , '
"The world has never witnessed any
. thing so far reaching as this policy
of Insolence. Men who in dally life '
are cultured and fine, whose ideals are '
high and noble, who have achieve
names for themselves in literature, art
and science w all have many friends"
among theu have become . uncon
sciously tinctured with this policy.
' They are intelligent men,' but, by the
gods, when they, get on this subject of.
Germany's place' in the sun," they be
come paranolacs! This idea of their
pre-eminence has become a: dlsaasa
with Germany. Germany is actually
sick with it and the medicine that will .
cure her will be pretty bitter:!
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Bernard Shaw Is Wrong.
"I '- see that Mr. George Bernard
Shaw presumes to announce that this '
policy of insolence, this extreme mil
itarism has been just as prominent in -England
j and France. Mr. Shaw is
great fun and very wise about a lot of
things; moreove, he has lived in Eng
land a great deal longer than I have,
but just the same he is dead - wrong
when he makes such, a statement. I
have many old friends In the army
and the navy, many in politics, - and '
some of! them are of the pronounced
soldier, the militarist type, i Not one of
them would ever dare to write such a
book as Bern hard has written and I
don't believe there is one of them that
would take any stock in a man Hk, -Nietzsche.
Mr. Shaw is dead wrong '
here; worse than that, he is : writing
nonsense. .
"We live from day to day hoping -that
the end will be the absolute an
ni Dilation of the militarist principle.
. this get-off -the-earth attitude.
"And what has all this." concluded -Mr.
Smith, suddenly, "to do with art? '
- I'm sure I don't know. - No s one . is '
- thinking about art now."
"But you haven't told me - where
your sympathies are in this war, Mr.
- Smith." : ;
r'i i 'TIeyt I don't have any sympathies,
as fsuu see. I'm neutral as President
: Wilson bids mo be; J don't care w bo
licks Germany, not even if it's Japan."
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