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106 Pages Section One Pages 1 to 24 Nine Sections Vfll XT T fl 4Q Entered at Portland foresron VJU. 1 J 1 7 Postoffice as Seconri-clasji Matter. PORTLAND, OREGON. SUNDAY MORNING, DECEMBER 3, 1922 PRICE FIVE CENTS PROGRESSIVES AIM AT REFORM LAWS U. S. Officials, Present and Past, Targets. NEXT YEAR'S STYLES SHOW LONGER SKIRTS MINNEAPOLIS. PLANS Master of violin TO PLAY FOR RADIO EVENTS SHAPING FOR HOT SESSION OREGON HAS AUTO FOR EACH 6 PERSONS IONS S WEEK OF SELF-STUDY IN THRACE ARMY BY AIDE SHORTER JACKETS ARE TO BAD POINTS TO BE FOUND AND THEN FIXED. TOSCHA SEIDED WELIj ASSIST AT THE OREGOXIAN FETE. TOTAL OF $3,326,110 IX FEES RE IX VOGUE IX 1923. COLLECTED IX TEAR. IT TO 1 3 4 : BLOCS SESSION IS ENDED Borah Made Chairman of Advisory Committee. . SHIP-BILL TO BE FOUGHT Next Meeting Is to Be Held Early in Regular Session of New Congress. WASHINGTON, Dec. 2. (By the Associated Press.) Plans for pro motion of progressive sentiment and policies throughout the nation were made today at concluding meetings of ihe two days' conclave of pro gressives called by Senator La Fol lette, republican of Wisconsin, and Representative Huddleston, demo crat of Alabama, unuer the auspices of the people's legislative service. Resolutions declaring for- continu ation of the new progressive move ment, which is to be actively trans lated into legislation through the bi-partisan progressive bloc of con gress, formed yesterday, were adopt ed during two sessions today of the public conference and addresses ere made by a dozen leaders in liberal movements. Many Reforms Proposed. Presentation of a detailed legis lative and economic programme was not attempted, but speakers at to day's "open forum" and at the clos ing dinner tonight proposed a multi tude of reforms and flayed past and present government officials and policies. A feature of the dinner to night, attended by about 800 per sons, was another attack upon At torney -General Daugherty by Sam uel Untermyer, New Tork attorney. Senator La Follette presided over the open session today and speeches were delivered by President Gom pers of the American Federation of Labor and Governor Blaine of Wis consln; Senator Norris, republican, of Nebraska; Senator Brookhart, re- publican, of Iowa; Senators-elect Wheeler, democrat, of Montana, and Frazier, republican, of North Da kota, and Representatives Frear, rew publican, of Wisconsin, and Sinclair, republican, of North Dakota. Resolutions Are Adopted. Resolutions adopted unanimously by the convention declared that the movement was "non-partisan" and designed primarily to promote pro gressive legislation. Other resolu tions called for extension of direct primary, including abolishment of the electoral college and direct pop ular election of president and vice president. Another resolution called upon President Harding to release all "free-speech prisoners." The con ference declared,- however, that it was impossible in a single meeting to formulate a complete legislative and economic rrogramme. Appointment by Senator La Fol lette of a non-partisan committee to provide for national co-operation of progressives was suggested. At the same time a date for calling another conference of -rogressives was left open, but nator La Follette an nounced that a conference of pro gressive governors would be held next January. Mellon Also Draws Fire. Attorney-General Daugherty and Secretary Mellon of the treasury department drew the fire of speakers. At the dinner tonight Mr. Unter myer presented an "indictment" against the attorney-general char acterizing him as a "cheap poli tician" and charging him with num erous alleged derelictions. Mr. Un termyer urged an investigation of the department of justice and the alien property custodian's of f ice and declared that there was "camouflage (Concluded on Page 5. Column 2.) jvAVIHG A rVAVSc. YlrAE: "FINDING T I GorAE. I KlYTr I KvtTr- Silhouette Line Will Remain, but Sleeves to Be Loose and Bell Shaped on Many Coats. CLEVELAND, Dec 2. Longer skirts and shorter jackets wi1! grace the boulevard queen in the spring of 1!23, according to the styles shown here today at the annual convention of the National Cloak, Suit and Shirt Manufacturers' association. The straight line silhouette will remain, but will be varied by draped blouse effects, flaring lines in sport and auto coats. Sleeves are to be loose and bell-shaped on many coats, and jackets will be gathered in nar row bands at the wrists. Plaids were shown in the sport coat types. The low-bloused jackets and box effect coat are for morning wear with a plain skirt or with a dress to constitute a three-piece suit. In many instances the skirt Is draped siightly and has an uneven hem line. Poiret and twill cord, however, will be the most widely used for suits, manufacturers said. The soft, clinging fabrics will give their grace to spring coats which are of three types wraps, capes and straight line coats, either with or without a blouse. Silk will appear in many of the dressier wraps. Tan shades, beige and sand will rival navy. Greystone and bat wing are the new gray tones. VALE HAS $30,000 FIRE Store, Theater Destroyed; Meat Market, Dance Hall Damaged. VALE, Or., Dec. 2. (Special.) One of Vale's business blocks was wiped out by a fire of undetermined origin about 1 o'clock -this morning with a daviage of $30,000. The. Warm Springs Dry Goods store, and Rex theater were a total loss and the Vale Meat company and Legion dance halUwere badly damaged be fore the blaze was controlled. The loss was only partially cov ered by insurance. MAYOR IS SENT TO JAIL California Executive to Serve 60 Days for Bootlegging. FRESNO, CaU Dec. 2. The Fresno county jail will be the unofficial "city hall" of Firebaugh, -CaU for the next 60 days. Max Knittle, mayor of the town having taken up his residence in the county bas tile for that period. He was con victed on a charge of bootlegging;. In the meantime the Firebaugh town fathers have started on a cleanup following the passage of a "little Volstead" act. MR. L0NGW0RTH INJURED Ohio Representative Hit on Head hy Golf Ball. WASHINGTON, D. C, Dec. 2. Representative Longworth, repub lican, Ohio, was hit on the head by a golf ball today on the links of the Chevy Chase Golf club here, but it was said by physicians that the injury was not serious. Mr, Longworth was stunned mo mentarily and did not finish the match. MARRIAGE PRICE DROPS Town Mayor Performs Ceremo nies for 39 Cents a Couple. KINGSLEY, la, Dec. 2. Mar riages are being performed here today at the bargain price of 39 cents. Old maids and bachelors who can be induced to admit their classification are being tied for 39 cents a couple by Mayor Wormley. Three couples were united at the bargain rate yesterday. HOLLAND FAVORS MEET Invitation to Rules of Warfare Conference Accepted. "WASHINGTON, D. C, Dec. 2. The Netherlands government has ac cepted" the invitation extended by the United States to participate in the international conference at The Hague September 10. The purpose of the conference is to draft rules of warfare as related to radio and aviation. Population in Panic FK From Athenr BLOODY CLA? TEARED Allies Warn Against Any New Executions. PRINCE ANDREW ON TRIAL Two Revolutionary Commlsars Act as Prosecutors on High Treason Charge. CopyriBht, 1922. by the Chicago Tribune.) ATHENS. Dee. 2. The Greek army in western Thrace has mutinied. No more discipline is possible, it was reported. Rumors said that M. Ven- izelos would soon return iere and attempt to form a new cabinet, with the intention of arresting the move ment for a counter revolution. Fearine- a bloody counter revolu tion the population here today was panicstricken and endeavoring to rench a zone of safety. Hundreds, unable to find railway accommoda tion, were leaving the city by ve hicle or on foot. The French,-British, Italian, Span ish and Belgian diplomatic envoys here todav warned the Greek gov ernment against further executions. noting the case of Prince Andrew. ATHENS, Dec. 2. (By the As sociated Press.) Prince Andrew, brother of ex-King COnstantine, was put on trial by the revolutionary committee today on a charge of con tributing to the Greek defeat in Asia Minor by ignoring orders sent to him by the general staff. It was the first instance of a member of the royal family bel'iqr haled before a ceurtmartial, but there were few spectators in the house of parliament when the trial opened. . This was attributed, how ever, not to a lack of interest, but to the short- notice oh which the court was convened. The court martial was presided over by Gen eral Vlachapoulos. The court is composed of ten of ficers and the trial is purely of a military character. The witnesses, with the exception of one Greek war correspondent, are all military. Prince Andrew replied to numer ous questions put "to him by the president and appeared to be deeply moved, but failed to give the im pression of a virile general defend ing his actions during war. The trial is expected to last several days. (Chilcaffo Tribune Foreign News Service. ATHENS, Dec. 2. Prince Andrew, dressed in civilian clothes, today trembled like a leaf inanswerlng questions of the revolutionary courtmartlal, sitting in parliament this morning before a small audi ence of officers and journalists. DEEP ANXIETY IS FELT Prince Christopher Fears for Fate of Cousin Andrew. PARIS, Dec 2. (By - the Asso ciated Press.) The deepest anxiety was felt tor.ight by Prince Chris topher of Greece for the fate of his brother, Prince Andrew, whose trial before the revolutionary committee In Athens began today. r He : passed the entire day in at tempting to get some word as to the progress of the trial, but at 7 o'clock tonight all the official circles help ing him had failed to throw any light on the situation. Prince and Princess Christopher, who arrived in Paris a week ago with Queen Mother Olga, have re tanied their suite on the steamship Majestic, sailing for New York on December 6 in spite of the develop ments, but will postpone their visit to America indefinitely if the trial results adversely to Andrew. Christopher declares that if An- (Concluded on Page- 4, Column 1.) PICTORIAL COMMENTS BY CARTOONIST s ONV.Y A QUESTION NOW '3 20 7 r III Campaign for Xew Auditorium Is Said to Have Resulted ftom Preliminary Work. (By Chicago Tribune Leased Wire.) MINNEAPOLIS, Minn., Dec 2. Minneapolis tomorrow starts a week of intensive, concentrated self-inspection, unique in history anion; all the scores of "do something weeks" that have been observed in various parts of the country during the last few years. " As a part of the plan. Mayor Leach officially set aside December 3 to December 9" as . "Minneapolis week," and within 24 hours 185 civic- business, social and welfare organizations had enthusiastically pledged their support and had pla-s under way for their parts in the affair. Every organization, from the civic and commerce association to the boy scouts, will participate actively in "Minneapolis week." There will be dozens of ineetins every daj, culminating in a city wide mass meeting next Saturday n'ght. Steps taken by the 185 or ganizations Involved- in-icate that three groups of constructive results will grow out of "Minneapolis week." They are: 1. A better acquaintance with the city, its different parts and groups and the concrete needs of these parts and groups on the part of every Minneapolis citizen, m 2. Closer co-operatalon among fie different sections and croups through a better understanding of one another's needs and aima resulting in the elimin ation of pelt;-- regional disputes and pull ing at cross purposes. . 3. And most important, a definite un derstanding among all its citizens of the present-day needs - of their city as a whole and the birth of a "Mlnneauolis spirit," designed to bring about their ac complishment through a concrete pro gramme backed by the entire popula tion. For Instance, Minneapolis has been seeking for 20 years a city auditorium commensurate of the needs of a town its size. . As a result "Minneapolis week proclamation, plans are already under way even before the opening of the official week, to make an immediate- reality of the auditorium dream. Boiled down Into a few words the avowed purpose of the 185 organisations participating in "Minneapolis week" reads like this: Know your chy; agree on the things it needs; then go out and fight shoul der to shoulder to get them. TELEVISION IS ACHIEVED Long-Distance Sight Demonstra tion Given in Paris. PARIS, Dec. 2.- Tele-vision, or "long-distance sight" by , wireless, was given a preliminary experi mental demonstration at the Sor bonne Friday byJEdouardo Belin. in ventor of the transmission of photo graphs by wire. Flashes of light were directed on it selinium element, which, through another instrument, produced sound waves. These waves were then taken up by wireless ap paratus that reproduced the flashes of light on a mirror. This was offered as proof that the general principle of projecting a stationary scene had been solved. PRELATE REACHES ROME Apostolic Delegate to Washington Will Be Cardinal. ROME,- Dec. 2. Monsignor Bon- zano, former apostolic delegate to Washington, arrived today from the United States. ' He was recalled by Pope Pius for the purpose of receiving the red hat at the coming consistory. ROBBERS' LOOT 12 EGGS Three Men Hold Up Train but ' Fall to Get Money. MIDDLETON. N. T., Dec- 2. A dozen eggs Was the only loot taken by three men who last night robbed a southbound Ontario & Western express train near Haverstraw, ac cording to railroad detectives. GETTING HIT COSTS $5 Mayor of Ohio. Town Fines Vic tim of Accident. , KENMORE, O., Dec 2. For "get ting hit" by an automobile, William Bercivick was fined $5 and costs by Mayor Goodman Friday. Bercivick was not seriously in jured. . . jOGOD E World-Famous Artist Delighted to Take Part in Dedication . of Powerful Station. Toscha Seidel, world-famed violin ist, who comes to Portland this week to play with the Portland symphony orchestra Wednesday night, will as sist in the formal opening and'dedi cation of The Oregonian's new radio super-broadcasting station, A brief telegram received from Mr. Seidel yesterday said: "Delighted to par ticipate in your programme Thurs day night." Station KGW. The Oregonian tower, is a 5(V0-watt Western Elec tric broadcasting set, with a normal radius of 1500 miles, although sta tions 3000 miles from Portland have reported hearing it, was first put in use two weeks ago, with concerts given on the regular schedule of broadcasting hours. The formal opening and dedication, however, has been held back until it was learned whether Mr. Seidel would be able to play. His telegram, agreeing to partici pate in the dedication made it pos sible to set the date for the opening next Thursday night. Mr. Seldel's last appearance on the coast is in Portland. He will appear in the Heilag theater Wednesday night, and was scheduled to leave for St. Paul Thursday morning. Now, however, he will remain over to play in The Oregonian tower Thursday night. Mr. Seidel is a Russian violinist who was born at Odessa 22 years ago. At a very early age he showed unmistakable musical talent and at 8 years he had mastered a Beriot concerto. In 1912 Professor Auer heard him and immediately accepted him as a scholarship pupil. After six years of study he made his first public appearance in Christiania ' in 1915 and subsequently he toured Den mark, Sweden and Norway. He came to the United States where, after playing two seasons, he established beyond question a foremost place for himself among the world's greatest violinists, despite his 20 years. Since his departure for London in 1921 he has taken large audiences by storm in all the capitals of Eu rope, playing return concerts in a number of leading European cities. Mr. Seidel returned to . the United States from these triumphs only last month. He will give a concert in New York, New Year's day, and it is considered unusually fortunate that both Portland music lovers and radio fans will be able to hear him on two occasions Wednesday night in the Heilig and Thursday night by radio. Mr. Seidel was invited, for the dedication of The Oregonian broad casting station through the Portland symphony orchestra and Miss Lois Steers of Steers & Coman. Just what numbers he will play for radio have not been definitely decided, but it is assured that he will be heard in two or three selections, and his piano accompanist will be prevailed upon to play piano solos. Normally the hour set for the dedication of the station is a "quiet hour" Thursday nights, but because this date is the only one on which Seidel can play, special waivers have been asked so that radio lis teners may have an opportunity to hear such a genius on the violin. Although The Oregonian's license permits broadcasting at all times on a 400-meter wave length, the policy of the station, has been to abide by its old schedule and to observe quiet hours as arranged by mutual agree ment. The violin solos by Mr. Seidel will be the principal feature of the open ing, and only 'a short dedication service, including two or three speeches, will be heard beside the music. The detailed programme will be announced later. HOMES OF 1200 BURNED Fire Causes $1,000,000 Damage in Terre Bonne, Quebec. TERRE BONNE, Quebec, Dec. 2. More than 1200 of -Terre Bonne's population of 5000 are homeless as a result of the fire that swept the town last night and early today. The fire destroyed 175 buildings and caused damage estimated at $1,000,000. PERRY ON SOME RECENT NEWS EVENTS. - LSE. SECTAS TO KNOW HoHEsr -Howiv . GOtHG TO &E.V i tAARVE.t re VNAS Trtftr' OHJY ?R.E3 f Ah !'-. Warfare at Legislative Meet Expected. FISH BILLS BEING DRAWN Gillnetters Said to Be After Further Advantages. TAXATION ALSO PROBLEM Efforts for Reduction Counted Certainty and Protracted Fight There Possible. Every legislative session Is marked by protracted fights over two or three measures and the coming ses sion will Be no exception. What measures will hold the center of the stage Is not yet known, but whenever there is fish legislation there is a battle and a fish bill is now in the making. Then," too, there will be trouble over an attempt to revise the automobile license fee law. But the measure which may o'vershadow all others may not even be thought of at this date; it may come unheralded Into the bill hopper and not develop Importance until the session Is well under, way. There have been rabid fish fights in the past, many times, and the 1921 regular session, which put the purse seines and trollers out of business, disclosed what can hap pen when the subject of salmon is under consideration. Tampering with fish is like toying with dyna mite Other Gear TJnder Fire. Gillnetters, having succeeded in eliminating the competition of the purse seiners and trollers, are now preparing to consign the traps and wheels to a similar fate, so that it they are successful the only gear used on the Columbia river will be nets. A stubborn fight will be made against any such programme by the owners of wheels and traps. The fireworks over a fish bill starts when the measure gets into com mittee and hearings are held and the lobby for and against the mea sure appears on. the scene.. Much talk has been heard about retrenchment and cutting .down taxes, so bills can be expected along these lines. Secretary : of State Kozer has sketched out some ideas showing Low savings can be made. The incoming governor is expected to submit ideas, too, and the state tax investigation committee will present the result of its survey. The tax investigation committee's report will be an exhaustive- affair and it will contain some concrete point ers 'for the legislature - to think over. - - State Income Tax Favored. Among other matters, the report will recommend a State income tax with a flat rate and reasonable ex emptions. Governor-elect Pierce is a member of this commi.tee, having been appointed by Governor Olcott, and as Mr. Pierce attended most of the meetings of the committee he is well informed on the contents of the report. He may make use of some of this information in his in augural address -and outline what tax legislation he may desire, based on- this report, ' for which he is partly responsible. Some action is expected on the millage taxes for the Institutions of higher - learning. These millages were approved by the people but the legislature ' may ' undertake to abolish tlusm, by referring them to the voters for repeal or modifica tion. If repealed, the institutions, being thus deprived of their fixed income, will be compelled to go to future legislatures and solicit ap propriations. If the institutions are attacked it will be mainly with the iLtention of erasingsome of the ex penses of operation, of cutting down the overhead and wiping out (Concluded on Page 14, Column 1.) E FIRST TtMCNV o VJHY CAtvr VIE Ai o o o J2- iV i WfamAXf. j l During November Total of 1872 Motor Vehicles Registered; . 133,816 Is 1922 Total. SALEM. Or., Dec 2. (Special.) For the year 1922, up to and includ ing November 30, there were regis tered with the state department a total of 133.S16 motor vehicles? 3203 motorcycles, 541 dealers, 12,115 chauffeurs and 29.952 operators. The total fees received from these registrations was $3,326,110.31. Dur ing the corresponding period in 1921 there were 118,169 motor vehicles. 516 dealers, 3153 motorcycles, 8058 chauffeurs and 41,999 operators. Fees collected from these registra tions aggregated $2,331,376.75. show ing an increase in the license fees for thef year 1922 over those of 1921 of approximately. $1,000,000. During November there, were 1872 motor vehicles registered. There also were 35 motorcycles. 5 dealers, 260 chauffeurs and 1749. vehicle oper ators. From these registrations the state received $16,559.19. During the same month in ,1921 the fees from these registrations amounted to $8756.75. "For 1922 it is expected that the registrations will total 134,250," the report said. "Based on a. population of 800,000 this means there is one motor ve hicle for every six of the population. This brings Oregon well up with those states where the motor ve hicle is used to a greater extent in the commercial life of the people." OREGON'S CLAIM FIRST Congress to Be Asked to Declare " Battleship Historic Relic. THE OREGONIAN N EWS BUREAU, Washington, D. C, Dec. 2. Congress will be asked by the navy depart ment to declare the battleship Ore gon an historic relic, to be turned over to the state of Oregon on con dition that sufficient funds will be provided by the state for its care and upkeep, it became known today. The purpose of the department was disclosed when a well-known Californian applied through Senator Shortridge for the bell of the old fighting man-of-war to be added to his collection of historic curios. The department said the state after which the famous . old ship was named had the first claim on every part of it, subject to the conditions mentioned. NEW SENATOR SWORN IN Smith VI.' Brookhart Takes Post . Vacated by Kenyon of Iowa. WASHINGTON. D. C Dec. 2. Smith W. Brookhart was sworn in today as senator from Iowa for the unexpired term of William S. Ken yon, who resigned to accept ap pointment to the United States cir cuit court. The credentials of Mr. Brookhart were presented to the senate by Senator Cummins of Iowa. Charles A. Rawson, who had been serving y gubernatorial appoint ment, relinquished his seat. BRITISH ROYALTY LEAVE Lord and Lady Mountbatten Take Films Depicting Travels. NEW TORK, Dec. 2. Lord and Lady Mountbatten- left today for England on the Olympic with a new motion picture, camera and thou sands of feet of film depicting their travels in the United States. "We have-never spent .a- more en joyable two months anywhere," said Lord Mountbatten, "and we ca,nhot express sufficient gratitude for the courtesy and kindness that has been extended to us by everyone with whom we have come in contact." RAINS DUE THIS. WEEK Unsettled Weather Forecast for Oregon and "Washington. WASHINGTON, D. C, Dec. 2. Weather outlook for the week be ginning Monday: Pacific states Generally fair in California, unsettled and occasional rains in Washington and Oregon, normal temperature. o c ,,.,...f 11 ' I f - WtY'S Tt. ' no I a . Victim in Wilds May Be Dead or Alive. DEPUTY HASTENS TO CABIN Surrender to Sheriff Follows FjighUo Bend. DRINKING JS REPORTED Prisoner Says She Fired In Self Defense and Then Es- . caped In Auto. BEND. Or., Dec. 2. (Special.) Mrs. Mabel Nichols, aged 23, shot and killed her moonshining partner, Robert Greer, aged 45. at their cabin at the Summit stage station, 50 miles south of Bend in Klamath county, at 11 o'clock today, she sobbingly told Sheriff Roberts of Deschutes county when she arrived in Bend this afternoon to give herself up. Later she admitted that she did not know positively that Greer was dead, and Deputy Hollinshead of La Pine was instructed by telephone to drive at once to the cabin, 20 miles distant, and see if the man was still alive. Mrs. Nichols was placed in the county jail, and later, as her nerves gave way utterly, she was removed to a hospital. Both Drinking, Woman Saya. Greer had been drinking heavily and Mrs. Nichols had had a drink or two, she told the sheriff. They quar reled and Greer threatened her. She snatched a pistol and fired. Greer fell and she, convinced of his death, although not stopping to as certain it definitely, threw a suit case full of clothes into Greer's tour ing car and drove to Bend, making the trip over rough roads and in a bitterly cold wind in slightly more than four hours. She stopped at La Pine for gaso line and near Bend picked up a pedestrian, but told no one of the shooting until she confronted Sher iff Roberts, Then she broke down, relating her Btory with difficulty, and became hysterical when she was taken to a cell in the county jail. To Deputy Sheriff Terril she declared that she had shot in self-defense. Pair Live Am Man and Wife. Before being taken to the jail, Mrs. Nichols told Sheriff Roberts that she and Greer had come to central Oregon from Ellensburg, Wash., six weeks, ago and had been living at the Summit stage station. They had operated a large moon shine plant, marketing their product in Bend, she said. Mrs. Nichols brought with her the weapon with which she believed she had killed Greer. It is an automatic and had three shells left in a clip which would hold eight cartridges.. The weapon is believed to have been Greer's. As far as could be learned from the hysterical woman, she had" fired only one shot. Mrs. Nicho'ls' maiden name was Davis, the sheriff learned from her. She has a sister and a 5-year-old daughter in Seattle. Greer Has Married Daughter. Greer, it was ascertained from papers brought in by Mrs. Nichols, has a. married daughter, Mrs. Irene Smith, living in Ellensburg. Sheriff Roberts notified Deputy Sneriff Rourk of Crescent, the near est Klamath county official, of the shooting, and Rourk will act as soon as he receives instructions from tha Klamath county coroner. Traffic Officers Suspended. SAI.EM. Or., Dec. 2. (Special.) H. L. Griffith and C. N. Wiles, state traffic officers, were suspended in- I definitely from the service tonight by T. A. Karrety. chiet inspector lor the state motor venicle department. Mr. Raffety said the suspensions were ordered because of neglect of duty on the part of the two officers and for the food of tha' service. Both m'in had leen in the employ of the state traffic department sinco May, 1921. - 'lli,. rl ll. THANKiGlWlNG TURKEY AND THEN