10 THE SUNDAY OREGOXIAN, PORTLAND, SEPTE3IBER 7, 1919. ISTIi IS AGAIN CHARGED 10 DISH Spruce Work Considered Crim inal Loss of Lives, Time. RAP IS TAKEN AT BENSON Portland Lumberman's Investiga tion Is Declared by Loggers to Have Been Superficial. fConlinaed From First Page line could dubitable proof that such a ' be constructed. This witness also testified, in refuta tion of General Disque's assertion that rail transportation wti to be utilized for the delivery of the north line haul ape to the Toledo mill, that bunker for dumping- log, in addition to trestles and wharves for rafting operations, 'had been constructed at the Yaquina, bay terminus. All indications and preparations, said this witness, pointed to the definite arrangement for rafting. Operations Held Extravagant. George M. Hall, who was government guide in the Siletz country for two years, and special agent investigating homestead filings, testified to facts essentially as Mr. Ball had given them. although estimating timber available more generously. He characterized the conduct of operations as the most ex travagant imaginable, told of the in experience of soldiers who were In the engineer corps, and said the Otter Rock route was the most Impracticable in that section. . Mr. Hall told of a conference he had in Portland with Major Hitchcock, on the occasion of which that official said he had been informed there was no spruce in the Siletz. In reply to a ques tion, the witness said Major Hitchcock must have come from a prairie coun try. Certified cruises were prepared for his perusal, but these only served to bring the statement that people of Newport would telegraph the president if the road to Otter Rock were not built. The construction and abandon ment of Camp Chitwood was touched upon by the witness, who said the night the workers were preparing to occupy the place word was received from somewhere transferring them to Ya quina. Efforts Tailed Criminal On cross-examination Mr. Hall ad mitted he owns about 27.000,000 feet of timber in the Siletx. B. Gildner. a resident of the Siletx district, gave similar testimony, char acterizing as a criminal waste of Time, lives and money the construction of the roast route Instead of extending th Miller logging road. He sjtid Major Hitchcock had told him that he (Hitch cock) and General Disque had found the spruce did not justify the northern road, and a map he presented was held to be Of no consequence. Mr. Gildner. when questioned as to airplane stock cut by mills there, said none had been cat. as mills were engaged in cutting material for roads. He said he did not know the reason for construction of the roast road, but declared such a course to be a big mistake. While Mr. Gildner was testifying Representative Magee and Representa tive Lea left the meeting, leaving Chairman Frear to complete the ses sion, with the understanding that they have the privilege of recalling Mr. Gild ner if such is found to be necessary. Yaqnina Lokh ow In Water. Reverting to the testimony of the former proceedings as yesterday's ses sion opened. Representative Magee questioned General Disque again re garding the Yaquina northern road. He developed the fact that of the 40.000. 000 feet of cost-plus logs, unsawn at the time of the armistice, all those from the Yaquina operations, or a large percentage, are in the water at the southern terminal. Mr. Magee said he had understood, from the testimony and information of District Supervisor Holland, in charge of spruce production operations at Ya quina bay, that it had been the Inten tion to raft the logs up tide water to the Toledo mill, a distance of 12 miles. General Dicque had testified that the actual plan. as. known to spruce divi sion headquarters, had been to ship the logs by rait, connection being effected at Yaquina with the Corvallis &. East ern railroad. Keason for Trestles Given. Yesterday General Disque reiterated his statement that such had been the plan, whereupon Representative Magee pressed him lor an explanation of the logs already m the water, of the wharves, salt water terminals and tres tles, pointing to these as an indication that the project contemplated railing the haulage trom the north line. "If it was true that the logs were to have been shipped by rail." insisted Representative Magee, "what was the reason for this construction?" The witness answered that the tres tles were to permit ferry connections with a trestle on the south snore of the bay, where the northern terminal of the south road to the iilodgeit tract was located. Offer Closed After ArmUtlce. The discussion was dropped, and tes timony turned to the Riodgett tract, tapped by the south line from Yaquina bay. General Disque testified that ne gotiations had been under way since -April. 118, and that in September an offer to sell had been received, Mr,. Klodgeit retaining the mineral rights. The offer was not closed until after tiie signing of the armistice, other tes timony nad shown, and alter the owne had been threatened with commandeer ing proceedings. "The fact that you began to build the railroad two months betore." said Mr. Magee. "was clear notice to .Blodgett that you intended to take the timber, was it not?" General Disque admitted that such might be the interpretation. Blodgett, he said, was not anxious to sell, and had previously turned away an offer made by .. S. Potter of Jackson. Mien, totter owned an abandoned logging road in Washington and wished to move it down J or operations in Lin coln county. v-i. Permitted. "It was good business to give that railroad the values that it had cre ated." answered General Disaue, when - n.tire saie nad been forced after the signing of the armistice. "That is. you bought the land to sell the railroad?" asked Mr. Magee. "Not exactly, no." The witness was then asked If the Blodgett tract wa9 not listed among the spruce production properties ad vertised for sale on September 2. 191, He answered that it was. but that he had not been in touch with the spruce corporation policies after his resigna tion. It was shown that the Blodgett tract contains approximately S70.0uu.000 feet of spruce, while the spruce tributary to the Yaquina northern road is about 150.000.000 feet, or a total of tZa.OUO.OO feet available from the two operations in Lincoln county. Telede Capacity Large. "General Disque testified further that the minimum capacity of the Toledo mill Is (00.000 feet daily. He estimated, from factory statistics, that the daily eutat sprue lumber would create 90 De Havlland planes, which consume 1600 feet of spruce, or approximately 3000 such planes each month. "How long would the supply of spruce keep the mill going?" asked Mr. Magee. The reply was that spruce operations, based on the three-shift policy, would have kept the mill busy for 600 days. A great reserve of spruce in addition is situated in the Siletz basin to the north and this had only been counted upon In the light of probable continua tion of the war. "During the first nine months of 1918." testified General Disque. "the French manufactured 32,000 planes from our spruce and fir." British Columbia Output Shewn, Concerning the commercial value of such a mill. General Disque ventured that forestry records will show suf ficient timber tributary to the Toledo district to keep the plant busy for 40 years, counting all available timber of all commercial varieties. Harking back to the testimony of Frank R. Pendleton, former super visor of spruce production in British Columbia, a lumberman of Everett, Wash.. General Disque introduced telegram from General Menoher, pres ent chief of the American airplane service, relative to comparative pro duo tion. This message stated that British Col umbia, or the Canadian operations, bad produced 18.175.000 feet of spruce and 8.1S2.000 feet of fir. The United States cut-up plant at Vancouver, Wash, ran the figures, had produced 36,159,143 feet of spruce. 37.504.857 feet of fir and 3.353.4 6 feet of cedar. Approximately 98 per cent of all airplane material supplied to American factories passed factory inspection, stated General Men oher. As to the percentage of ultimate rejections of Canada's finished product by the English, no figures were avail able. Knarland Gets Most Spruce. Allocation to our allies of the air craft lumber produced at the Van couver plant, according to General Menoher's telegram. ras as follows: England. 12,770,308 feet of spruce, 11.597.630 feet of fir, 2,100,695 feet of cedar. Italy. 2,320.398 feet of spruce, 4,510, 51 feet of fir. France. 9,722.025 feet of spruce, 1,787.927 feet of fir. Later In the hearing Chairman FreaT pointed out to General Disque the dis crepancy in spruce production as com pared with that of fir, and as further compared with that of Canada's air craft lumber results. It was evident, said the chairman, that Canada bent a majority of effort upon the production of spruce. To this General Disque replied that there was an active demand for Ameri can fir for airplane material, Italy, for example, insisting upon it for use in the huge Capronl bombing planes. Wage Discount Reealled. At a previous hearing a soldier wit ness had testified that soldier laborers at the Vancouver cut-up plant were forced to submit to a 15 per cent dis count from their pay checks, the money thus derived being utilized in a fund to increase the pay of kitchen police and clerks on service at Vancouver, who were not drawing civilian pay. Representative Magee sought for further light upon this arrangemen from General Disque, who was unabl to give details. H. E. Walker of the headquarters staff came forward . to testify regarding the wage discount. In brief. Captain Walker said that headquarters had nothing to do with the arrangement, but he denied that i was compulsory. If the pay checks were cashed at the cut-up plant station, said Captain Walker, the deduction was made. They could be taken to any bank, however, and the full face value received, if the soldier objected. Many en did this, he said. Also Captain Walker believed that the deduction was only 1 per cent. At any rate the checks were penciled with the notation that a deduction was to be made. IaJnsMee to Soldiers Seea. I think any young man whose pay has been deducted without his consent has a valid claim against the govern ment, asserted Representative Magee. "No, sir," objected Captain Walker. 'He has indorsed his check." "Well. I don't thir.k 111 modify the statement." returned Mr. Magee. "I think the government wouldn't be dis posed to quibble In the case of these boys. I think" the government would recognize it as a Just and valid claim The old man of mystery, a frequent character In testimony and interroga tion, came to the fore when Mike Don lln, spruce production superintendent for the biems-Carey-Kerbaugh opera tions in Clallam county. Washington, was again mentioned by Mr. Magee. What about Donlin?" asked Mr. Ma gee. "Do you know where he's from?" Ryan's Action Touched I'pon. unlr In a general way," answered General Disque. "I think he came from Montana." "Missoula?" asked Mr. Magee. "I don't know." Here Mr. Magee touched again upon the refusal of John D. Ryan, director of aircraft, and an official of the Mil waukee road, to sign the Siems-Carey-Kerbaugh railroad contract for the Lake Crescent spruce route, indicating that Mr. Ryan wished no finger pointed at his connection with a transaction that might be said to have been in fluenced by the Milwaukee, prospective purchasers of the spruce line. Mr. Don tin's Removal Asked. "He still continued as director of aircraft." commented Representative Magee. "and to all intents and purposes the results were Just the same as though he had signed." The questioning drifted back asrain to Mike Donlin. General Disque said that he had talked with Mr. Ryan regarding Donlin In Washington. D. C. I asked Mr. Ryan if he know Don lin, said General Disque. "He told me that he had known him some years ago, but that Donlin, previously em ployed by him, had left his service under circumstances that made his re turn Impossible." The witness added that Mr. Ryan had sought the removal of Donlin from the spruce superintendency when he learned that his former employe was working for the Slems-Carey-Kerbaugh corporation, but that Donlin had left in the meantime. At this Juncture Representative Frear stated that the testimony of Mr. Kerbaugh, before the Ray hearing, held last winter, was that Donlin had been recommended to him after a conference with Pliny Fisk, New York financier, interested In the Olympic peninsula contracts. Testimony shifted again to the choice of Olympic peninsula railroad routes and General Disque's reasons for aban doning the Deep Creek route, which he had highly recommended, and taking up the Crescent Lake route to Lake Pleasant. "Well, you changed your mind over night, : didn't your' Inquired Mr. Magee. "No." retorted the witness. "I changed my mind over a period of two weeks and after careful consideration. If I hadn't changed my mind the road would have been built via Deep Creek." Construction Held Justified. Continuing the Inquiry, Mr. Magee questioned General Disque regarding the construction work along the west shore of. Lake Cresoent, on the route chosen to Lake Pleasant. General Disque insisted that the line at no place was located any further from the lane shore than was demanded by the neces sity for meeting the rise which must be crossed. "Well, they blazed a pathway along the side of the mountain, didn't they?" demanded his questioner. "Thy ex cavated a table land and then built the road, didn't they?" General Disque smiled as he disagreed with Mr. Magee's terminology, but ad mitted that it about fitted the nature of the construction, and declared that such construction was Justified by the exigencies of the case. Report Is Criticised. How far would it have been neces sary u extend the road from Deep Creek?" asked Mr. Magee, referring to the once approved extension of the Milwaukee to Lake Pleasant. 'A total of 25 miles." 'That would be about II miles shorter than the other route?" continued Mr. Magee. Ys." So far as the value of his report on the two locations is concerned, Rep resentative Magee contended that Roberts, the engineer who represented the spruce corporation in selecting the Lake Crescent route, "might Just aa well have written it in his office." When Chairman Frear asked the wit ness why it was that Frank R. Pendle ton, supervisor of spruce production for British Columbia, was able to produce approximately one-third as much spruce as were the entire American operations. General Disque replied that there was no question about the au thenticity of the American record in the percentage of accepted aircraft lumber, but that Canadian quality and system of Inspection was not known locally. He did not believe that the reported Can adian' cut could have been achieved with ordinary milling facilities, aa had been testified. ' IllillllliUlIIlJJIIIlllllllllllllllllllllIIIIIIU I Don't Order Wool or Coal Till You 1 Have Seen the I I MANNING I I GAS MAKER I E DEMOX8TBATKD AT OCR SALES- ROOM, 69 SIXTH STREET. Mors than half the labor of houM keeping Is due to the preparation, and cooking of food. It would be worth your while to save yourself & large portion of that labor and lighten the rest wouldn't It? Designed especially for use In Cook Stoves, Ranges and Heating Stoves. Can be installed In two minates by an inexperienced person. So slmpl a child can operate it. Flame can be . regulated at any heat desired. No 'soot. NO SMOKE. Agents wanted everywhere. Small capital nerSiSary. See daily factory demonstration. Disque Defends Quality. To Chairman Frear's reply that Mr. Pendleton's repute as a lumberman is of the highest degree, General Disque countered with the offer to produce any number of letters, all from success ful timbermen, testifying to the extra fine quality of lumber produced at the cut-up plant. To correct the record, said General Disque, he desired to. introduce two telegrams. These he said, would refutt the charge that the American Inter national company, of which John D. Ryan is a director, ever had any in terest in the firm of Siems-Carey, or of the firm of Siems-Carey-H. S. Ker baugh, builders of the Lake Crescent logging road and holders of a $25,000, 000 spruce contract. Interest Is Denied. They would also serve the purpose of refuting the intimation that General Disque had received his present posi tion, that of president of G. Amslnck tk Co., of New York, owned by the American International company, by reason of any obligation on the part of Mr. Ryan. The first telegram was from John D. Ryan. It stated that Mr. Ryan had never had any interest in either ot tne Siems-Carey firms. The seoond telegram, from Charles A. Stone, president of the American In ternational company, asserted that that company had never had any interest either the Siems-Carey or the Siems-C'arey-Kerbaugh company. It added, however, that the American In ternational hatd in 1916 purchased stock separate concern, the Siems-Carey Railway & Canal company, of China, where a railroad construction project was under way. As I understand it, the American In ternational owns 50 per cent of the Siems-Carey Railway & Canal com pany," said Mr. Frear. General Disque replied in the affirmative. Old Charges Recalled. And owns all the stock of the Amsinck company?" continued the chairman, again receiving confirmation. Inasmuch as Major Charles R. Sliglt, formerly in charge of spruce operations. at their inception, had been criticised by General Disque at the previous ses sion. Chairman Frear said that he felt it proper to read into the record an account of an address delivered by H. C. Coffin, former director of aircraft, at the Old Colony club in Washington, D. C, on September 12, 1917. General Disque's comments on the testimony of Major Sligh, which was taken at the Chicago hearing, had been fired by the personal nature of Major Sligh's criticism. 'Jhe latter had made many charges against him and had testified that General Disque had writ ten a certain blameful letter to the gov ernor of Michigan, while warden of the penitentiary at Jackson. Coffin Letter Read. Against the objection of Representa tive Lea. the chairman read the re port of the Coffin address Into the record. At the Old Colony club ban- net Mr. Coffin, as director of aircraft. Price complete outfit with eitht gallon tank and all necessary fitting:. $30; mail orders solicited: send $5 with order, balance C. O. D. express, with privilege of examination at ex press office. SEE DAILY DEMONSTRATION. I H. W. MANNING I Inventor and Manufacturer. 69 .Sixth Street, Portland, Oregon aiimmmNiimimmmiimmmiimmii- had praised Major Sligh warmly, not only for the worth of his efforts In spruce production, but for his general efficiency and capability. "May I ask, Mr. Frear." commented General Disque, tensely, "if when Major Sligh was testifying in a. very deroga tory way concerning me, did the com mittee attempt to put anything in the record in my defense?" Chairman Frear replied that the com mittee was not interested in the per sonal bickering of General Disque and Major Sligh, but that he as chairman merely wished to show that the opinion of the director of aircraft had been that the latter was competent in his capacity. Interpolating, Representative Magee assured General Disque that he had objected to the character of Ma jor Sligh's testimony regarding the general at the Chicago hearing. Letter to Governor Denied. , Apropos of the governor of Michigan, General Disque informed the commit tee that he had never written any let ter of any sort to the governor of Michigan, save one that requested an assignment within the Michigan state troops when they went to war. Inas much as his record as warden of the Jackson prison had been . assailed by Major Sligh, . General Disque asked leave to read a newspaper Interview in which Governor Albert E. Sleeper of Michigan expressed his high regard for his capability. Governor Sleeper was .quoted in the interview, from a Jackson (Mich.) pa per, as keenly regretting the impend ing departure of Warden Disque, who had received a commission as lieutenant-colonel In the aviation section. He said that his post would remain open for him, and that' he would be wel comed back. As warden credit was given to Disque as the originator of progressive innovations and splendid system. "Well, there's nothing the matter with that eulogy," was Chairman Frear's reflective comment. The chairman turned then to General Disque's charge that certain Puget Sound lumbermen, who had sought to log the Blodgett tract, were profiteers of the worst stripe. He asked the wit ness if it is not true that these same men, after their proposal had been re jected, actually contracted to log the Blodgett tract for a total profit of $20. which would be the. relinquishment of all benefit to themselves. General Disque replied that they had made such an offer, that it was ac cepted, and that the Puget Sound lum bermen were at work on the Blodgett tract when the armistice was signed. It was true, he said, that they had con tracted to log the tract for a total profit of $20, but he ,dld not construe this as particularly patriotic. They were to be allowed 15 per cent depre ciation on the value of their equipment; be related, and a 10 per cent rental fee. Lower Costa Doubted. General Disque insisted that these provisions would have benefitted the loggers. John E. Frost, 'the superin tendent, he indicated, was to have been paid a salary of $1000 per month. He believed that the operation would have cost the spruce corporation) as much as any of their cost-plus contracts, comparatively considered. 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