THE SUNDAY 0REGOXTAX, PORTTLAJFD. JULY 12, 1908.
ONCE SUPREME,
PUTT IS ALONE
Aged Senator Predicts Taft's
- : Election in Walk
Over. WEAKNESS OF OREGON IDEA
Veteran of 20O - Conventions Tells
How Direct Primary and State
ment One Break Down
-Majority Party.
BT I.LOTD F. LONERGAN.
NEW YORK. July 11. (Special.) "Just
60 years ago this month I made my first
fight for public office. It is a long period,
50 years. This time next year 1 will be
a private citizen again."
So said Thomas C. Piatt today, as he
sat on the balcony of the Oriental Hotel
at Manhattan Beach, gazing out at the
sea. The aged United States Senator is
passing his last days neglected and In
obscurity. For 30 years or more he ab
solutely controlled the Republican party
of New York State. He "made" Gov
ernors, Senators and Congressmen. In
those years the Oriental Hotel was the
"Summer Capital." Every night Piatt
was surrounded on the veranda by men
whose names were known throughout
the United States.
Candidates for state offices appeared
to ascertain if he would permit their
names to go before the convention. App
licants for appointive jobs, local, state
and National, timidly journeyed to the
beach, some alone, others accompanied
by their backers. And the little old man
sat in ,hle chair on the balcony and ren
dered his ' decisions. He was known as
the "Easy Boss," but what he said went.
Today the Oriental Hotel is still at
Manhattan Beach, and Mr. Piatt Is there,
hut the crowds of other days are absent.
Nobody counsels Mr. Piatt, and few peo
ple call to see him. But he etill retains
his keen Interest in politics despite his
age and feebleness.
in years gone by July 15 was a gala
day at the Oriental Hotel. It was Platfs
birthday. He was congratulated and
made much of. This year the Senator will
celebrate his seventy-fifth anniversary,
but there will be no demonstrations, at
least on. the part of politicians.
"This Is the first time I have missed
a National convention," said the Senator,
"but i didn't feel like-going tills year.
Chicago is far away for an old man.
Besides I've rather lost my Interest. And
then a new generation has sprung up in
politics:
" Attended 2 00 Conventions.
"I guess 1' hold one record that has
never -'been surpassed. I have been a
delegate to over 200 . conventions. Just
50 years ago-4 think the date was Au
gust 6 1S58 I was nominated for County
Clerk of Tioga County. You know I
have always held my voting residenco
in Oswego. : Since then I have .been one
of Oswego's delegates to every state con
vention, every Congressional convention,
and to a good proportion of the Sena
torial and county conventions. Then, of
course, I' have attended all the National
conventions except this last one. An
old friend, who was down here the other
day, figured that I had been a delegate
at least 200 times. 1 never kept a record,
but I guess he Is about right. . Now I
never -expect to attend another conven
tion, although the boys up in Tioga say
they will seend me to the state conven
tion this Fall. ' . .. ,
Tart Will Have Walk-Over.
"Who do I think will be elected Presi
dent? Why. it seems to me that Taft
has a walk-over. - Of course- Taft is' my
candidate. Did you know that we are
both Y41e men? I was in the class of
'51. but did not graduate, as my health
broke down. I wonder if any of my
oiO classmates are alive how?
"Although 1 did not go to Chicago, I
followed the news of that gathering as
well as the one at Denver with keen
interest. It seems to me that a great
d'al of time was wasted. Taft had
everything his own way, and so did
Bryan. The delegates cut no more figure
than hired men. They were told what
to do and they did it. How different
from the old days."
"What do . you think of Bryan's
chances?" the Senator was asked.
"Does anybody figure that he has a
chance?" was the reply. "When Cleve
land ran there was a militant Democracy.
Since 1S96 it has simply been a noisy
mob. changing its opinion over night.
"This refers, of course, to the North.
In the South the Democratic party Is
the same as it has always been. But in
the North it has dwindled away to al
most nothing.
"When Bryah hoisted the silver stand
ard in 1S94 he drove thousands and thou
sands of life-long Democrats into the
Republican party. Most of them are there
yet. And the younger generation that
is growing up are Republicans. Do not
forget that.
Weakness of Bryan.
"Take away Tammany Hall and the
Brooklyn contingent and what does the
Democratic party amount to in the
North? It has not one United States
Senator, only a few scattering Congress
men and a couple of state officers,
elected because of thceir personal popu
larity rather than their political princi
ples. "BryRn will not gain votes In the East,
and without the iiist he cannot win. I
see he Is quoted as saying that he can be
elected without New York, but for my
part I cannot figure it out.
The trouole with Bryan is that he has
been a defeated candidate too often. No
matter what kind or a campaign he may
make, the average votes will be bound to
ui-k this question:
" 'If Bryan in 1S9 proclaimed free
silver as the cne issue, and later ad
mitted he was wrong, how do we know
he is right this year?' " .
"In -my opinion." added Mr. Piatt,
you will find that Taft will gain in
strength as the campaign progresses. He
has a united majority party behind him,
while Bryan will not be able to control
his own -torees."
Defects or Oregon Idea.
Mr. Piatt expressed Interest in the mix
up in Oregon, which seems to indicate the
election ' of Governor Chamberlain as
Fulton's successor. -
"It strikes me that the Oregon Idea will
never work out in practice." he said.
"A United States Senator is a partisan,
and should be a partisan. It really mat
ters very little whether he is elected by
the Legislature or by the vote of the
people. Some prefer one system and some
the other. But under our laws the ma
jority is entitled to representation. The
majority In" Oregon are Republicans, and
why should a Republican . Legislature
elect a Democratic Senator? This seems
to be one of the "new. Ideas' in politics,
of which we hear so much, and which
very few people really comprehend.
"As I understand the law, each party
holds primaries, and the man who re
ceives the largest vote is the party candi
date for Senator. Then at the time of
the general election, the names of the
party candidates are placed on the bal
lot, and everybody has another chance to
vote. The man who leads this poll is the
on the; Legislature is Jound to elect, Is
that correct?"
The Senator was assured that this
pledge applied to legislators who had
signed Statement -No. 1. and that a -majority
of such members had been elected.
"It is very poor politics," commented
Mr. - Piatt. "Here is the vital error of
such a scheme. A minority party has no
contest because the outlook Is hopeless.
Their candidate lands on the ballot with
a united party behind him. He has made
no enemies, because the hopelessness of
his quest has aroused no ambitions. In
the majority party, two, three or four
big men enter the race. Bitterness is
aroused, charges are bandied about, the
victory of one man angers the followers
of his opponents. In an effort to get
even, they vote for the minority nominee.
"Now I do not say that is what hap
pened in Oregon, because I do not know.
But I do say that the fiasco I have, out
lined is what would be' likely to occur'
in the av-jnage state where either party
had a fair sized majority of the votes.
"Wo can have non-partisan Mayors,
.but we cannot have non-partisan Con
gresimen, non-partisan United States
Senators or non-partisan Presidents. Gov
ernment requires a larty, so that respon
sibility for blame can be fixed, if neces
sary." '
Gives Way to Younger Men.
Mr. Piatt expects to remain at the
Oriental until the Fall. In December he
will be in his seat at Washington for
the short session, which winds up his
term iu the upper house.
"Oh no! I am not a candidate for re
election," he said. "Any man who has
been in public life GO years is entitled to
a rest. Some younger, more active, man
will take my place. I do not know who
he will be. Woodruff is a candidate, and
so are many others, I believe."
Perhaps Mr. Piatt was thinking of the
time that he made Mr. Woodruff a poli
tical factor. "Jake" Worth, the Re
publican boss of Brooklyn, had a fight
with Mr. Piatt over the plans for 'he
first "greater city" convention. Where
upon Mr. Piatt sent for Mr. Woodruff,
then an humble lieutenant of Mr. Worth,
and gave him this memorable order.
"Cut the ground from under Jake's
feet."
Mr: Woodruff did. That was in 1897.
Now the man who "carried out orders" is
trying to capture the seat at Washing
ton, now filled by the man once called
"the easy boss."
There are many changes in politics,
but it Is a fascinating game when you
win." said the Senator, as he closed the
interview.
GAGGED IN HER SLEEP
FAIR'S XEICE HAS MIDNIGHT
FIGHT WITH BURGLARS.
Awakens to Find Man Grasping: Her
Throat Screams Bring Help
and Assailant Flees.
NEW YORK, July 11. (Special.)
Mrs. Mabel Lefler Whitely, favorite
neice of the late Mrs. Charles L. Fair
and heiress to part of the Fair mil
lions, was attacked by a masked in
truder as she lay asleep in the home
of her brother-in-law, Frank A. Leon
ard, In Caldwell, N. J., last night.
. Four years ago Miss Lefler, who is
reported to have received $200,00) of
the Fair estate, was married to George
Whitely, now a league baseball plaer.
She is suing her husband for divorce
and making; her home with her sister,
Mrs. Frank A. Leonard, in Caldwell.
Shortly after midnight last night she
was awakened by feeling a man's hand
clasp her throat and try to stuff a
cloth into her mouth. Although al
most strangled, she managed to attract
the attention of other inmates of the
house by her muffled screams and the
burglar fled.
LAUNCH SOUTH CAROLINA
Big "Battleship Reaves Ways With
out Hitch.
PHILADELPHIA, July 11. Amid the
din of steam whistles ashore and afloat
and the cheering of thousands of persons
assembled to witness the event, the all-big-gun
battleship South Carolina was
launched at 12:05 P. M. today at Cramps'
shipyard, on the Delaware River. As
the latest addition to the American Navy
slipped into the water Miss Frederica Cal
vert Ansel, daughter of Governor Ansel,
of South Carolina, broke the traditional
bottle of wine against the prow of the
great hull and gave the big sea-fighter its
name. Surrounding the pretty girl stood
a group including her father and his mil
itary staff, many officials of the Navy
Department, the Commandant of the
Philadelphia Navy-yard, officials of the
city, officers of the Italian warship Et
tore Fieramosca, now in port, and hun
dreds of other invited guests.
There was not a hitch to the launching.
After the launching the christening party
sat at a lunoheon and the usual toasts to
the new ship, to the President of the
United States, to the Navy and to the fair
sponsor of the ship were drunk.
The South Carolina is the second of the
two all-big-gun battleships authorized by
Congress, the other being the Michigan,
which recently was launched at Camden,
N. J.
The South Carolina has a length be
tween perpendiculars of 460 feet, a
breadth of 80 feet and her mean draft
will be 24 feet 6 Inches. Her normal dis
placement will be 16,000 tons and full-load
displacement 17,000 tons. Her engines
will have 17.000 horse power and a con
tract speed of 1SH knots. Her bunker
capacity will be 2100 tons. Her cost com
plete will be y7.000.000.
The main battery will consist of eight
12-inch breech-loading rifles mounted in
four turrets and so arranged that each
gun can fire two shots a minute. These
gun? will be able to tire on either broad
side and will permit 16 350-pound projec
tiles to be discharged every minute. She
will also have a battery of 30 3-lnch and
smaller guns.
Fleet Salutes Transport.
ON BOARD U. S. S. CONNECTICUT
AT SEA. via Mare Island Navv-yard,
July 10. (8 P. M.) The Atlantic fleet is
now in latitude 32.27 north, longitude
136.45 west. The sea is smooth and the
weather pleasant. The ship's crews are
now attired in white. The usual fleet evo
lutions were performed today. At 3:30 the
fleet passed the Army transport Sheridan
and exchanged greetings. Otherwise the
day was uneventful.
Yokohama's Fleet Plans.
TOKIO. July 11. The Yokohama muni
cipality has voted the sum of 16,600 yen to
cover the expense of the entertainment
to' be given the officers and men of the
American fleet while they are in the city.
A reception committee of IS, which In
cludes the mayor of the city, has been
organized.
Canadian Pacific Excursion. .
On July 22. 23, August 6, 7, 21 and 22,
the Canadian Pacific will sell round trip
excursion tickets to Eastern points at
very low rates. For rates and full par
ticulars apply at local office, 143 Third
street.
PARKER FOR TICKET
Will Support Bryan and Asks
Friends to Do Same.
SPEAKS HIS MIND FREELY
Says He Fought With All His Power
Dangerous Centralization Policy
and Will Do So in Fu
ture Conventions.
DENVER, July 1L The exodus of dele
gates to the Democratic National Con
vention and visitors to the city, which
began last evening within half en hour
after the final adjournment, continued
steadily throughout the night and today.
The Cook County (Illinois) Democracy
was the first club to depart in a special
train, and it was followed quickly by
Tammany. Many delegates and thou
sands of tourists will make excursions to
the mountains before returning home. A
number of the New York delegates left
for Yellowstone Park today.
Judge Alton B. Parker, of New York,
and other delegates-at-large and mem
bers of the New York delegation are
leaving today for the East. Judge Parker
was the central figure of groups In the
hotel lobby today, bidding; him good-bye
and congratulating him on the harmony
and unanimity with which the platform
was reported to the convention, despite
the sharp differences which had developed
between the conservative and radical
elements. Judge Parker showed some
dissent from the exuberance of these con
gratulations, ' and with much frankness
said:
Content With Results.
"One thing is sure: I am going to sup
port the ticket of Bryan and Kern, and
want my friends to do the same thing.
But I do not want to receive, any credit
under the slightest misapprehension of
the facts. I think In all frankness, I
should say that I resisted in the platform
committee any departure from our time
honored Democratic principle of the
sovereign supremacy of the states with
in their borders or any committal of our
party to the dangerous policy of the
Roosevelt administration of a supreme
and all-envelopine centralized authority
in the Federal Government at Washing
ton. I felt I owed it to my party
and my convictions to make , this fight
against any attack on state home rule,
and having made it, I am content with
the result."
"It is understood," said a represen
tative of the press, who was present,
"that while the platform was reported
unanimously, you recorded with the
chairman of the committee your dis
sent as to the provision on Federal action
within state lines?"
Judge Parker hesitated a moment and
then replied:
Will Fight Battle Again. .
"I don't like any secrecy in public
affairs and I don't mind telling you that
I did record my dissent from the plat
form on account of this and certain
other provisions, as I propose to fight
this battle over again in some later con
ventions. The situation was just this:
"I and a few others went into the
platform committee differing with other
members on the question of resisting Fed
eral encroachments on state home rule.
WTe were thus confronted with a marked
difference of view. But let me say that
throughout the long and trying sessions of
the committee there was never any varia
tion from the utmost good feeling among
the members. The spirit of give and take
always prevailed. It made me feel
glad that I had attended the conven
tion. It also gave me the point of view
of those having honest differences of
opinion with me on the questions of mo
ment. While some of the contentions
urged by part of my associates were con
trary to those of my education' and belief,
yet I could not but feel that they were
as sincere and honest in their convictions
as I' in mine. The one dominating senti
ment was to formulate a platform which
would state honestly to the public the
views of its framers."
It was suggested to Judge Parker that
since he had dissented from this orovlslon
of the platform, he and his friends might'
hesitate to support the ticket
Intend to Be Consistent.
"Not at all," he replied. "On the con
trary, we will give our loyal support
to the action of the convention and
in this our action will be entirely con
sistent. We have already accomplished
a great deal, for the vote In the committee
showed the very narrow margin of only
four votes against us on this most im
portant provision on which we differed.
On the other hand, the Roosevelt Admin
istration inseparably and unanimously is
committed to Federal domination over
the states. Our choice is therefore plain.
It is with the party whose traditions
are for the constitutional defense of the
states against Federal encroachment. We
not only support the ticket but our only
hope of preserving the status quo on these
doctrines is to elect the ticket. Those who
feel as I do will understand that a Re
publican Senate will never consent to
turn over to a Democratic President any
further extension of power. And this,
the present situation, will be continued
until we shall have another opportunity
to fight another battle within party
fines."
TO SACRIFICE CANDIDATES
Democratic State Central Committee
Wants Full Ticket in Field.
SPOKANE, Wash,. Jul 11. In a call
Issued to members of the Democratic
State Central Committee, Chairman
George P. Wright urges them to meet
and confer as to candidates, saying:
"From present Indications it appears
that there is not likely to be a full ticket
filed by representatives of our party in
this state. We believe it the duty of
the State Central Committee that a full
state ticket be filed, which as far as
we know at the present time seems un
likely, unless this step be taken."
WILL VISIT OYSTER BAY
Bourne Invited by President to
Spend Day With Him.
OREGONIAN NEWS BUREAU, Wash
ington, July 11. Senator Bourne has
returned to Washington from a week
spent in the . North. At the invitation
of the President, he will spend a day
at Oyster Bay, his call being purely
personal. He also witnessed the boat
races at Schenectady, and spent the
rest of the week on the Hudson. He
expects to leave In a few days for Bar
Harbor.
D. C. Millett Dies Suddenly.
CHEHALIS. "Wash., July 11. (Special.)
Daniel C. Millett, a well-known attor
ney of Chehalls. died suddenly at his
home here this evening; of heart disi
how
to
get
suit
for
half
price
. Very simple indeed. If
you will stop for a mo
ment and think. The
so-called high-class Port
land tailor charges you
$50 for a suit of clothes.
Columbia Tailors would
make the same suit, of
the same material, with
the same workmanship,
for less than $40. At the
present time, the Colum
bia Tailors are selling
.everything at a 25 per
cent discount. This
means that you may buy
that same suit for less
than $30. Almost enough
less to enable you to get
a Columbia Tailored
suit, as good in every
detail as the afore-mentioned
$50 suit, for just
about one-half what the
A GIRL PLAYS 1Y
Runs Away and Works on Rail
road Dining-Cars.
PENITENT, WILL GO HOME
Melwood Kemmaster, of San Fran
cisco, Wearies of Home and Dons
Male . Attire Detected, She
Confesses Sins to Judge.
OMAHA, July 11. (Specfal.) Un
happy home relations . led Melwood
Kemmaster, a 17-year-old San Fran
cisco maiden, to seek employment on
dining-cars, dressed as a boy. A few
days ago the runaway was arrested in
Omaha on a charge of vagrancy. To
day the Police Judge, after she had ad
mitted his guess was correct, told her
to assume her own attire and return to
her home.
Melwood .told the Judge she had
planned' for months to escape from con
ditions at her home, -which she said
were irksome. She would have been
willing, she said, to elope if the right
young man had come along and offered
himself. Alone, however, she saw no
chance to roam until she hit on the
plan of wearing trousers. She applied
for a position on a dining car and was
accepted, and it was several months be
fore her sex was discovered. Then. she
was dropped from the payroll and from
the train.
Discouraged and penitent, ; the girl
broke down and told the Judge she was
willing to go back home.
SANGERFEST AT REGATTA
Attractive Feature Will Be Repeated
at Astoria in August. .
ASTORIA, July 11. (Special.) One
of the roost attractive features of last
year's regatta was the sangerfest under
the auspices of the Norwegian Sing
ing Societies of the Pacific Coast, and
arrangements are now being perfected
for holding another sangerfest during
the coming regatta in August. J. O.
Berg, leader of the Scandinavian sing
ing societies of Portland, comprising
three Norwegian and Swedish organi
zations, was here recently to confer
with the committee of the local Nor
wegian Singing Society, with the re
sult that the Portland organizations
Bad Blood
Is the cause of all humors, eruptions,
boils, pimples, scrofulous sores, eczema
or salt rheum, as well as of rheuma
tism, catarrh and other troubles. The
greatest blood remedy for all these
troubles, proved by its unequaled
record of cures, is
Hood's Sarsaparilla
In usual liquid form or In chocolated
tahlats known utintsfilia, 100 doses $1.
"high class" tailor
would charge you. There
is still another argument
in our favor. A great
many young men seem
to prefer ready-made
suits to tailor-made.
Why? One reason is
that they believe they
can get them for less
money. This is wrong.
By our present 25 per
cent discount offer, you
may have as good a suit
as a tailor can make for
as little and less than
you could buy the same
suit ready made. And,
look at the difference in
fit, wearing qualities
and style, to say nothing
of material and work
manship. Be a tailor
made man and people
will think as much more
of you as you will think
of yourself.. "Why wear
hand-me-downs all your
life? The best-dressed
people wear tailor-made
clothing. So should you.
c
Grant Phegley, Mgr.,
Seventh and Stark Sts.
will unite with the Astoria society in
holding a 3angerfest here. The con
certs will bo under the direction of Dr.
Emil Enna, of Portland.
WAIT TILL SUMMER'S OVER
No Decision About Remaining Ore
gon Land-Fraud Cases.
OREGONIAN NEWS BUREAU, Wash
ington, July 11. Inquiries at the De
partment of Justice fail to bring forth
any definite Information regarding- the
programme for clearing up the remain
ing land-fraud cases In Oregon, partic
ularly the Hermann case and the retrial
of Williamson. It is admitted that
these matters have been under consid
eration, but it is said that arrange
ments fop these trials are left to the
Solicitor-General, who is away on a va
cation and not expected to return to
Washington until some time In August.
CHIROPRACTIC
LEGTDRE SESSION
B. J. Palmer, D. C, Ph. C. '
Perhaps you don't know that the chi
ropractic school of healing is now rec
ognized as a great boon by suffering
humanity in every state in the Union.
Chiropractors are sometimes called
"backbone doctors," from the fact that
fhey ' contend that all diseases are
caused by displaced vertebrae of the
I spine. Briefly, their theory Is that
I when the vertebrae are replaced in
proper position the patient rapidly re-
; covers. During the past few years the
j growth of the practice throughout all
parts of the United States has been lru
' tie short of phenomenal. B. J. Palmer,
presldent of the Palmer School of Chi
ropractice. the parent Institution, will
visit Portland this week on a lecture
tour and will deliver a series of lec
tures under the auspices of the state
association.
The Chiropractors' Association, be
lieving that a great majority of our
people don't fully understand the meth
ods, aims and remarkable achievements'
to be obtained by this method of heal
ing have arranged with Dr. Palmer to
deliver a lecture to the public next
Friday evening; at the. Y. M. C. A. Hall,
at 8 P. M. No admission will be
charged, and as Dr. Palmer Is a most
Interesting talker, a pleasant and in
structive evening is in store for those
who attend. Dr. Palmer has ( Just fin
ished a course of lectures throughout
the Eastern states, where he received
marked attention from the brightest
minds in all professions, and his audi
ences were largely composed of osteo
paths, M. D.s and professional nurses.
Great
summer
Clearii
Sal
LE PALAIS ROYAL
375 WASHINGTON STREET
A Genuine Clearing- Sale; real bar
gains of the kind of goods you need
now. And just to quicken your buy
ing interest and give your dimes and
dollars increased buying- power, we
are going to offer special trade-stim-ulaters
in ready-to-wear apparel
this coming:, week. Not one item
mentioned that you'll fail to appre
ciate and make buying: a pleasure.
Great Wash Dress Clearance
Dresses of the daintiest models,
reduced .... .........
Plain tailored Wash Suits, in the newest styles,
45-inch coats, full sweep skirts, trimmed with
. Tk "I "I fJ 1 t i v .... -
z wiae roias arouna
and tan; values
Clearance sale price.
Clearance of White Serge Coats; the very latest1:
models shown, trimmed with black velvet :
collar and cuffs. Regular
price $10.00, now ..........
Clearance of Spring and Sum
mer Wool Suits
All these are of the nobbiest styles, and they
consist of fancy stripes, checks "and plain col
ors; a clearance at ONE-HALF regular price.
A General Clearance
Tailored Waists in all colors,
values up to $12, clearance.
Great Clearance of Jap
to $3.50 Your choice
new stock at
Clearance Sale of Wash Waists One lot of
lawn waists, values up to $1.95 Ch7 j-
now for only C
One . lot of Tailored Waists, with laundered col
lar and cuffs; values up to CJJ 1 02
$2.25, clearance at ' P A
Great Clearance of Fine Lingerie
Waists at a big sacrifice.
Clearance of Ecru Net Waists Values up to
$10.00. Anyone in this lot C,.
We are closing out our line of Ladies' Under-'
wear, . Hosiery, Neckwear, Gloves, Belts, Cor
sets, etc., at your own price. See these values.
Millinery Clearance
All Trimmed and Untrimmed Hats,
Flowers and Braids at THIRD OFF
See Display Windows
Visible Cot to Supply.
NEW ORt-BANS, July 11. Secretary Bus
ton's report of the visible supply of cotton
hows a total of 2,388,7J bales against 2,559,
235 last week. Of this the total of American
cotton Is 1,489.71 bales, against 1. 817, 189
last sreak.
Mid
Lingerie
195
Dottom; colors white, blue
$lo.00. .
.....
$9.50
$6.95
of Silk Taffeta Waists
$4.95
Silk Waists Values up
of this Q Cf
P JL l70)
In the erection of a railroad bridge over
the 8uaquehanna River at Havre de Grace
the American Bridge Company will make
uee of what la probably the largest wood
block ever made. It has been made es
pecially for the work, and weigha 1S50
pounds, meaeurea 30 Inches across the .shell
and la rated at 69 tona capacity. The
.hackle la a aolld forging three and s naif
Inch thick-