THE MORNING OEEGONIAN. TUESDAY, OCTOBER 3, 1923
SEW YORK GITS
HERE ARE SOME OF THE YANKEE ACES OX WHOM MANAGER HUGGINS OF THE NEW YORK AMERICANS IS DEPENDING FOR
BASEBALL SERIES
WORLD'S SERIES HONORS.
The FLORSHEIM SHOE
WEAK M PITCHING
Yank Mound Squad Better
in Offense and Defense.
Fans Are Alert Like Boy
When Sister's Beau Calls.
Mcquillan best bet
MEWS TO CIRCLE GLOBE
Boston Youth Declared Likely to
Writers From England, Japan,
France, Russia, Cuba and
BraziJ to Report Games.
Turn in. Game if Properly
Managed by Catcher.
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Offense. Defense. Total.
Yankees 4-7 1S44 2271
Giants 3S8 1HU3 1911
BY HUGH FULLERTON.
ARTICLE IX. IZ l G LP THE
PITCHERS.
New York Giants reveal the tre
mendous weakness of the team for
world's series purposes, the instant
tH copester strikes the pitchers.
Weak at the best, unpromising, and
without the kind of pitching needed
to stop a team such as the Yankees,
the slab corps at present ia In per
haps as bad condition as it hasl
been all season.
With only Nehf and Barnes by
experience and knowledge fit to
compete against the Yankees, and
with both in the doldrums, ' the
hope of the Giants, if there is any
hope, seems to lie with McQuillan.
But the youth obtained from Bos
ton to hold the aennant safe has
not shown any si&ns of ability to
stop a team such as the Yankees.
Yet the dope indicates that a pitcher
of his style, if properly stage
managed by the catcher, has a
chance to turn in one winning ;
game. !
I have almost given up hope of I
selecting the pitchers who will work
in the present series, because the
chances are McGraw will have to
use two, three and perhaps four
pitchers in each game except one.
Change Pitchers; Change Dope.
The success of the dope, as, far
as it applies to scores made in
world's series games, is this: r "We
have figured team strengths, posi
tion by position and we know, be
yond, doubt, the attacking and de
- fensive strengths of each club. Take
a known attacking strength against
a known defensive strength, and
given the pitcher, we can figure
almost to a certainty the approxi
mate number of hits and runs that
will be scored against that pitcher
in nine innings.
But if the managers jerk the
pitcher and send in. two or three
others, after using emergency bat
teVs, or to stop attacks, it compli
cates the matter.
In the series dope this year I
am trying a new plan, which ought
to work out more satisfactorily. In
the final summing up I shall figure
how many hits and runs the Giants
should make off each Yankee pitch
er, and how many the Yankees
should score off each Giant pitcher.
x hen, on the morning before each
, game, we will be in position to
guess more accurately which pitch
ers will work, and knowing their
strength and the attacking strength
of the opposing team, we can ap
proximate each score, which is bet
ter than trying to figure in ad
vance which pitchers will perform
in each game.
In the ordinary world's series
one can figure almost exactly which
pitchers will work and how the
managers will rotate them. But in
the present condition of the Giant
and Yankee pitching staffs not even
the manager can make a reasonable
guess.
There is small use in dilating to
any extent upon either pitching
staff. The fans verdict is that
both are rotten which is about as
complete a summary as could be
expected. The Yankees' two really
classy pitchers Mays and Hoyt
have been that way for months.
Bush is going well, Jones fairly
well, and Shawkey, although not
a really great pitcher, Is the most
dependable on the American league
staff especially against the Giants.
It is a hard guess as to how Hug
gins, or whoever directs the Yankee
strategy, will use Mays. On his
season form he is not a logical star,
yet he ought to work the Giants.
Hoyt, too, should give them trou
ble, provided a manager who has
been depending upon them in vain
has faith in their ability.
Difference In Hurl ers Anted.
On the Giant roster Nehf and
Jess Barnes have experience and
Jonnard has almost everything else.
McQuillan is a problem. From the
pitching standpoint the Giant cause
is desperate. I never have seen a
pitching staff as completely over
shadowed in a world's series as
they are. The Yankees figure 300
points stronger and that is giving
the Giant pitchers credit for do
ing in the series as well as their
best. In the face of the admitted
fact that the Yankee staff is below
its own par, the weakness of the
Giants in the comparison is remark
able' Well, anyhow, the owners say the
fans like hitting- and with these
staffs the fans ought to get a sur
feit of satisfaction.
After hours of figuring, studying
dope, and calculating every angle
of offensive and defensive play on
the part of the catchers who are
to handle the pitching in the world's
series and direct play, I discover
that the Giant and Yankee catching
staffs figure so closely together we
might as well cancel them against
each other so far as either showing
advantage goes.
We have now eliminated Pitts
burg and the Browns entirely from
any consideration in the worlds
series study and it was tough, too,
for there the Browns showed per
haps the greatest superiority of all
over the other teams. There was
no doubt that Hank Severeid would
have shown more than 150 points
better than the Giant rivals and
perhaps more.
Xelther Boast Great Backstop.
t. But in the study of the catchers
who evidently are destined to take
part in the big series, we find two
things: The highest attack values
I have ever found among catchers ;
engaged in a world's series (except,
if 1 remember correctly. Kling in '
one series and Hank Gowdy in an-
other), and the remarkable contrast
that the defensive values of both
Giants t:d Yankees are near the
low mark among world's series
catchers.
Neither of these teams, one of
which is to be labeled a world's
champion, possesses the greatest
asset any team can have, a really
great catcher, one who can handle
pitching, throw, hit, run, and above
all, direct the play.
Schang and Snyder will, of course,
do the great bulk of the backstop
ping during this series, and there
Is so little to choose between them
that the margin really amounts to
nothing in the final compilations.
The slight advantage held by Snyder
is due largely to the fact that he
is better fitted to hit the kind of
pitchir.3 the Yankees have to offer
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Above at left Pitcher Jones, Everett Scott, the peerless shortstop, and Ballet Joe Bash, leading pitcher of the
open for the Yanks tomorrow. At right Babe Rath, no longer the home-run king:, hut still a mifrhty and
rip, at Waite Hoyte, pitching hero of , the 1021 aeries; Carl Mays, the submarine hurler, always hard for
veteran pitcher, who has had a great year.
than some of his mates who are
accounted better hitters. He will
hit really better in this series than
during his own season.
In spite of the weakness of the
Giant pitching staff, the dope does
not indicate that , Schang will be
any more of a pitcher killer than
against the average twirling of the
American league.
Of course it is difficult to figure
what a man hitting against one
kind of pitching will do against
another. But Schang's work last
fall against Giant pitching showed
them what will check his slugging,
and Barnes can do it. If Jonnard
uses speed all the time, as is his
habit, Schang is liable to do some
concrete breaking with his bat.
Snyder is the better director of
play. He has developed under Giant
management and is quick and sure
in sensing situations.
Neither man shows much judg
ment in throwing. Against a base
running attack it is probable that
Schang. even with his tendency to
wildness, is the better man. He
may throw wild, but he will throw,
and Snyder has shown badly against
the double-steal play. Perhaps it
is Giant strategy, but it makes a
team and a catcher look bad to
permit a runner to jog down to sec
ond base without making a play
to stop him, beyond bluffing at
throwing to third.
Schang outranks Snyder as a
haserunner and has more speed, and
he is dangerous at all tiines in at
tack. It is his tough luck to be
pitted against weak pitchers that
others ought to hit, but whose styles
will worry him more than some
good pitchers would do. The slow
curves and the slow ones nurt mm.
However, he ought to get some re
venge in swatting Nehf.
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CUM DRAWS PROTEST
MANAGER OF BOBBY HARPER
OBJECTS TO REFEREE.
Charley Yost Serves Notice That
His Man Will Not Enter Ring-
if Ralph Officiates.
"If Ralph Gruman is the referee
tomorrow night you may say for
me that Bobby Harper will not put
on his gloves. This is not a threat.
It is a statement-of fact. Harper
never again will be where Gruman
is the referee."
So declared Charley Yost, man
ager for Harper and veteran trainer
and handler of fighters, yesterday.
Yost appeared in dead earnest about
it, too. He said he would not even
send Harper into the ring until he
knew positively, that Gruman was
not to referee the main bout of the
card at the armory between Har
per and Barney Adair.
"Harper and I both feel that Gru
man is not temperamentally fitted
to referee," said Yost. "The crowd
influences him too much. He means
all right but his judgment is poor.
We do not want any the best of it
but we do' want an even break and
it is. simply impossible to get one
from Gruman. For another thing,
he isn't fast enough in the ring and
doesn't follow the infighting closely
enough.
"I am not presenting any ulti
matum to the Portland boxing com
mission, but merely stating as a fact
that if Gruman is to referee tomor
row night Harper positively will not
fight-
I have no desire to dictafe
who the referee shall be. Any good
MOVIE OF A MAN DOING
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WORDS STARTING
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man will be satisfactory anybody
but Gruman."
The Portland commission, at a
meeting yesterday ' discussed the
referee situation, though without
reference to Yost's stand, which
had not been announced at that
time. Apparently the commission
is planning to give Gruman a rest
in any event, for it was given out
that Edward Goddard, an old-time
referee, formerly of Idaho, has
been licensed to officiate at armory
bouts.
Tom Louttlt, who referees at Mil
waukie and is considered by good
judges of boxing to be by far the
best referee in the northwest, had
been asked to attend the meeting.
He was not present, however, so was
not licensed. The commission did not
say whether Gruman or Goddard
will referee tomorrow night.
The semi-windup on the card will
be between a pair of heavyweights,
a change having been made by
Matchmaker Hansen. Tiny Herman
and "Sugar" Keeler, a big fellow
from Denver, will do their stuff in
six rounds.
The IaUes to. Play Jeffs.
THE DALLES, Or., Oct. 2. (Spe
cial.) The firet football game of
the season here will be Friday, when
The Dalles High school will meet
the eleven from Jefferson high of
Portland. Arrangements for the
game were completed tody. The
Dalles has a strong team this year,
with a guod share of last year's
letter men back
Villa Has Chicken Pox.
PHILADELPHIA, Oct. 2. Physi
cians today barred Pancho Villa, the
new American flyweight boxing
champion, from his scheduled bout
tonight with Battling Murray, de-
claring that the champion was suf-
ferinu from chicken pox.
THE CROSS-WORD PUZZLE.
Hot dog: here 'tls!
"M0RRE- 5AME AS
GUI LL E MOT -'A RAZOK-
Photos by Underwood and Bain.
American league, who probably will
dangerous swatter. Below, left to
the Oianta to solve; Bob Shawkey,
RACING IS SPECTMM
GREAT VOLO WEVS FEATURE
OP GOLDEN JUBILEE.
Three Heats Are Said to Be Fast
- est Ever Trotted in Walnut
Hall Cup Event.
LEXINGTON, Ky., Oct. 3. (By the
Associated Press.) Some of the most
spectacular racing in its 50 years of
history was witnessed at the open
ing day of the gold Jubilee meeting
of the Kentucky Trotting Horse
breeders' association here today. The
feature event, tne Walnut Hall cup,
"went to Sanford Small's four-year-
old colt, the Great Volo. The three
beats were sam to be the fastest
ever trotted in the event. The third
heat equaled the record set by Ante
Guy in 1918.
Peter the Brewer, In a hot stretah
drive, landed the' first heat from
Czar Worthy in impressive style, but
Cox changed his tactics with the
Great Volo in the second and third
heats, coming from -behind and
lande,d the brother to Peter Volo and
Volga in front. Czar Worthy was
r.ot prominent after the first heat.
Frank H. Ellis' filly, Jane Revere,
of his own breeding, with the local
trainer. Ben White, as pilot, won
the 31st renewal of the two-year-old
division of the Kentucky futurity.
W. B. Dickermari's Finvarra was
an easy winner in the 2:15 trot,
which opened the meeting. Plain
Mac, from the Murphy stable, was
the favorite, but the brother of Es-
cctillo was not to be denied.
rJovJ for The upper
RIGHT CORNER - 12. To
17 "Of MAIL SRVce"
probably " Postal" -
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AttfST Be 'PERCOl-ATe
(Contlnwd From Tlmt Fag.)
latter probably was attracted by
the Giants' latest pitching- acquisi
tion, one Mr. Cvengros. Cvengros.
however, is not a world's series
eligible.
Press reservations have been made
fcv men representing- every large
city in the United States. Many axe
from the Pacific coast, while the
minor leagrue cities, at least tne
Urger of them, have sent writers
aJong; with the fans. Business man
agers of both the clubs have an
nounced that the requests for seat
reservations are much larger than
last year.
- It is possible to seat about 40,000
persons m the Polo grounds, where
all the games will be played. Each
team will alternate in being the
"home team." with the Giants en-
Joying the cemforts of the home
bench on the first day.
Whatever may be the Interest out
beyond the Hudson in this series be
tween the Manhattan teams, there
are enough fans among the 6.000,000
folks of the greater city to keep up
a lively sputter-sputter of specula
tive chatter on the ifs, ands, what's
and why's of the chances of the
teams.
"Babe" Ruth, notwithstanding the
fact that he was kept out of the
game for more than a month lor be
ing temperamental a.nd antagonistic
to the much revered umpires, and
gave way to Rogers Homsby of the
Cardinals for home-run honors, is
expected to be somewhat of a terror
to the Gian. hurlers.
The big four of the Yan'j pitching
staff Bush. Shawkey, Hoyt and
Mays are rated by the experts to
be much be-tteo than McGraw's
moundsmen. Nehf. Jess and Virgil
Barnes, Jack Scott. McQuillan and
Ryan. Bush won 26 games for the
Yanks this season and Shawkey And
Hoyt both won a good majority of
their games. Carl Mays, the under
handed fliTiging star of the 1921 sea
son, has had an off year.
Jess Barnes, Nehf and Scott have
been the bet of the G-ia-nts. while
Ryan haa shown excellent form and
may get a chance against the Ameri
cans, yet the Giants won their pen
nant without much trouble, while
the Yanks finished with only the
slim margin of one game.
SCALPERS HAra HARD TIME
Politicians Have Edge on Base
ball Ticket Battle.
BY HUGH FULLERTON.
(By Chicago Tribune Tjeafld WirO
NEW YORK, Oct. 2. New York
is all set for the opening of the
struggle for the championship of
New York, which to New Yorkers
is the world's championship.
The tickets are all either In the
hands of the visiting bankers, the
scalpers or the politicians, and the
fans at large are fighting to get tne
leavings. The scalpers are having
a hard time, since they are forced
to buy from the politicians.
Headquarters of the Giants today
looked like the night before the pri
maries in a Tammany campaign. All
the crooks, thieves, grafters and
stallers along Broadway were there
to get their tickets. The Yankees'
office was little better, but the
chances are that when political
obligations are satisfied, the gen
eral public will, as usual, be the
sucker.
The chances of the series were
not much discussed today, because
everyone was so busy trying to fig
ure how to get three tickets and
scalp two so that lie would not have
to pay to see the games. Yet, there
was a strange and peculiar apathy
among the real fans. The fact thai
bankers' convention has brought
about 15.000 financiers into New
York accounts for the artlve de
mand for the tickets. The fans
don't care, much for them and the
usual New York play of having the
outsider pay the freight is working
well. Which is all right. It does
not much injure the feelings of the
proletariat to see the banker paying
40 to sit in a 75-cent Beat to see a
40-cent baseball game.
As for the baseball part of It,
Tanks and Giants practiced today.
The chief part of the practice, it
must be admitted, consisted of
arithmetic, for the players seem
more interested in calling their
shares of the receipts than they are
in figuring wb,ich team will win.
, So far as I can see there is no
(question as to the ability of the
Yankees to win the series. If Mc
Graw can make his team win one
game, he is entitled to a lot of
credit. He has a faster, more mo
bile, more resourceful club. But
he has not a pitcher who is entitled
to more than an even chance to win,
and he will have to guess the lowest
form of any of the American league
pitchers to get that far.
The workout today showed noth
ing whatever save that both teams
were working to help themselves.
Hugglns, who is a smart fellow,
whether or not he Is popular (which
he is not), announced that he in
tended to start "Bullet Joe" Bush
and follow up with Bob Shawkey.
He got the psychological jump on
John (Muggsy) McGraw in this re
spect. He also said that he in
tended to follow Bush with Shaw
key and that if he won those two
he would use either Mays or Hoyt.
He has all the latitude in the world,
for he can change as he pleases.
McGraw will, of course, start Nehf.
who is a pitcher of sorts and a fel
low, who, according to the ball
players, needs a lot of early en
couragement to win.
Tomorrow I'll figure out positively
which pitcher will start and which
ought to win.
The better odds today were 7 to 5,
in favor of the American league
team, and 2 to 1, on the American
leaguers if Bush pitches against
Nehf. On the basis of that sort of
argument the Giants ought to be
beaten now. McGraw knows that
he has no pitching staff that can
stand against the hitting power of
the Yankees and he is figuring upon
system of attack to withstand the
assault he is certain will come, no
matter which pitrher he has chosen.
LAXDIS ANNOUNCES l.MPS
Klem, 3IcCormIck, Owens and
Hildebrand to Officiate.
NEW YORK. Oct. t. W. J. Klem
and W. McCormick, for the National
league, and C B. Owens and George
oA style that is always corrcB
For the conservatively well
dressed man FLORSHEIM
has designed individual
styles that give both com
fort and elegance. The price
is surprisingly low for the
satisfaction received.
The CHESTER $10 A Straiht Last
The Florsheim Shoe Store
350 Washington Street, Near Park Street
FOR THE MAN
Hildebrand, for the American leagua.
were announced today as the um
pires for the wor'.d scrica by Com
missioner Laridis.
Until last year 14 umpires hai
participated in the world series
since the first was held In 1901. At
that time only two officials were
used, one behind the catcher and
one on the bases, as in all ordinary
major league games now. The first
two were Henry (Hank) O'Day and
T. H. Connolly.
Klem. who waa named today for
the 1922 series, holds the record.
This will be his 11th series. O Mar.
once manager of the Cincinnati
Reds, is second with elirht. and Con
nolly and Charlie Riglcr are tied
for third, with seven series.
HILL TO PLAY ST. HELENS
Military Academy Eleven to Ojicn
Kcanon Friday.
Hill Military academy will open
its football season Friday against
St. Helens high ncnool on Multno
mah fiejd. At a meeting of the Hill
team Saturday Harry Cain was
elected captain and Dewelley Pryor
manager. Ben W. Hill will coach
the cadets.
MrMlnnville high will play the
cadets here October 14. and on KM-
riav. October 2l. Mill Will 1"J
Gresham high at Greeham. Hill has
an open date October 27. but isovem
ber 4 will play the Ilwaco, Wash
high at Ilwaco.
On Armistice day the cadets will
line up against Salem high, at Sa
lem. Hill will play Tillamook high
here November Is and at Goldcndaie.
Wash., against the high school of
that city November 2i. President
Hill is trying to arrange a game
fne Thanksgiving day with some
out-of-town high school team.
BANKERS ARE "OPTIMISTS"
Golf Trophies Wine i.oniri.
Flagons and Pocket Flanks.
NEW YORK. Oct. 2. Nineteen
silver golf tropnies. mounted on
velvet and enciosea in '
nnf on exhibition at the Commo
dore hotel today as mute testimony
that the Amercan bankers' asso
ciation, whose lO.OflO delegates are
in session here are optimists.
The trophies, for wbich nunareos
of bankers and bankerette will
compete on the links during their
stay here. Included two huge punch
bowls, a silver wino goblet, capacity
one quart; several flagons and as
many loving cups; three cigarette
cases and four beautifully en
graved, form-fitting pocket flasks.
NO MONEY IN AFSTRALIA
Boxers Return lo America for
More, Lucrative Bonis.
SAN FRANCISCO. Oct. 2. (Spe
ciaL) Walter South, manager of
boxers, who returned today from
Australia in company with Sailor
Kramer, featherweight and Billy
Hunefeld. lightweight, says there Is
no money to be made in Sydney
now.
"The people are flno and they
treat you well," he said, "hut there
is no money to be made. Even the
champions do not draw more than
a IIHOO house and the other boys
get little or nothing. Larry Jones
of San Franelseo tins been dotnr
LANPHER
HATS
A reasonable
price adds
to the
satisfaction
you get in the
new fall
Lanpher
WHO CARE S
some fighting but wu not tnsktns
any money snd 1 exoert ha IU be
returning within a few day."
South say that Knmr won four
flchts out of five, loi-lng his lt
match to Spargo. the Australian
featherweight champion.
PACIFIC SOIAO TAKES HEST
Coach to Krly on r-pced In Conlrl
liti Auclr.
PACIFIC UNIVERSITY. Korest
Orove, Or- (let. : c-tperlal.)
Coach Kraok let his men rrt lodny
In order to get rid of the wrrn"
from the Orgnn game. lie will
start to work his men harder than
ever In preparation f-r the gsmr
wi:h the orccon AtfRl' on October
14. He will work to strrnsthrn hl
offensive, as ho will rrly i.n sped
lj overcome the advantage In
wrlght the Aggies have.
The ltM'lgr roarh wnn Well
plrnned with the showing his squxd
made against the heavy firrKnn
sqi:ad. especially In the offensive.
He will likely make some changes
in the uad this week. The one
advantage of the Oregon game !
t'narh Frank was the dtwcovcrv of
Jese at half, who shr.med epeed
and fight. Anderson, nt the end po -
.mon HaK another find.
Arc Light Help Eleven.
COLUMBUS. O.. Oct. 2. Electric
flood lights were used to Illuminate
Ohio field today when Coach Wllre
put the Ohio State university foot
ball sqttad through a practice eep.
slon which lasted until after d.rk.
Plays used by Ohio and Wesleyan.
next Saturday's opponent, wrrs sim
ulated by a second team In scrim
mage. lloppe lo Try lo Come Hark.
NEW YORK. Oct. 2. Willie llonp.
ex-world's champion billiard pUer.
will attempt to recover his title as
Is 2 balkhne champion in the In
ternational tournament here fievt
month. Hoppe's formal entry, the
ftrt to be mario for th tournament,
waa forwarded today
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