14 THE 3JORXIXG OREGOXIAX, WEDNESDAY, XOTE3IBER 9, 1921 Plfl OF SIP 0IEG0 FOR TEAM IS HEARD Coast Directors Advise City to Build Ball Park. BEES ARE NOT FOR SALE Edirt From I' tali Means California Bidder May Only Get Exhibi tion and Training Games. J LOS AXGBLES. Nov. 8. San Diego's bid (or a team in the Coast league was heard here today in the annual meeting of the board of directors of the Pacific Coast baseball league. President Lane of the Salt Lake team announced that the franchise of the Bees was not for sale. League direc tors then informed the San Diego rep resentatives that It would be advis able for them to build a baseball park In San Diego and then appear be fore the directors and it was possible that training of teams and exhibition games might be arranged by the league to furnish some class AA baseball for San Diego. Three new directors were voted in today, W. H. Klepper, Portland; James R. Boldt. Seattle, and Joseph H. Patrick, Los Angeles. Informal discussion of the season schedule and other matters were held, but decisions were left to a second session to be held tomorrow. It was Indicated the coming season would cover a period of 2s weeks instead of 26, this year. Adoption of a ball to be used in league games for the next five years is on the programme for tomorrow. Representatives of sporting goods houses were on hand today to tell the merits of their goods. BEAVKItS TO GO TO PASADENA Klepper Contracts for Use of Tour nament Park to Train. LOS ANGELES, Nov. 8. (Special.) William H. Klepper, president of the Portland Pacific Coast league baseball club, ton!ht announced that he had signed a contract with the Pasadena Tournament of. Roses asso ciation whereby the Beavers will start training in Pasadena on March 1 The players will work out at Tournament park, where the New Year's day lntersectional football games are staged and where the Chi cago Cubs have conditioned for the last several seasons. Simultaneously with President Klepper's announcement, Edward R Maler, owner of the Vernon Tigers, said that it is his team's turn to work out at Washington park in Los An geles. The Tigers and Angels take turns at conditioning here. Seattle had intended that the Hainiers should have Tournament park, but Klepper got busy and had his brother, J. D. Klepper, who re sides in Pasadena, complete arrange ments. . The Pasadena chamben of com merce has contracted for the rooms the men will occupy at the fashion able Green hotel. WRESTLING MATCH IS DRAW Ralph Hand and Thor Olsen Get One Fall Each. . COTTAGE GROVE. Or., Nov. 8. (Special.) Ralph Hand, local mat artist, and Thor Olsen, 1912 Olympic middleweight champion, divided hon- ors at Moose hall Saturday night. ,Hund won the first fall in 38 minutes with a toe hold. Olsen won the sec ond fall in 40 minutes with a body scissors and double wrist lock. Neither was able to win a fall In the remaining 43 minutes of the two hours' time limit agreed upon, and the bout was declared a draw. E. A. Hrltton, physical director of the Eu gene V. M. C. A., refereed the match. Harry Lammers, who promoted the match, has signod up the same men to wrestle to a finish November 23. It is expected that the winner will meet Walter Miller for the middle weight championship of the world. According to the present plans of Promoter Lammers there will be a preliminary match between local men. As a preliminary to Saturday night's event Ellsworth Pamewood and Fred Ilrown. local middleweights, went 15 minutes of very clever work without a fall. ABERDEEN GETS DIG GAMES Washington University and Che halls High School to Invade City. ABERDEEN, Wash, Nov. 8. (Spe cial.) The coming week end will be a gala time for Aberdeen football fans when the Cr.lversity of Wash ington team, composed of freshmen and ineligible first-team men, and the undefeated Chehalia high school team, invade thla city. The big game on the Gray Harbor American Legion schedule is the Armistice day clash with the univer sity team, which la expected to draw a record breaking crowd, and Is be lieved to furnish a reliable medium for gauging the actual strength of the undefeated legionnaires. The Chehalis team plays the Aber deen high school the following day, and the game is expected to have con. siilerable bearing on the Southwest Washington league standing. A -5 pr'ze has been offered by the management of the Grays Harbor American Legion team for the best window display advertising the game. The captain and manager of the vis iting team will be the Judges of the displays. AHI Iim l . IN SECOND PLACE Chehalis Strengthens Position at Top of Column. ABERDEEN, Wash.. Nov. 8. (Spe cial.) Aberdeen Jumped from fourth to second place in the Southwest Washington league as a result of Saturday's games, while Chehalis strengthened Its position at the top of the column by defeating the Hoquiam team. The standings follow: w. L. P.CJ w. L. P C. Chehalis.. 8 0 loofl'oiympia. . .. 2 2.500 Aberdeen., II 1 . 17 Hoquimm . . . 1 I .500 Alonlesano. 3 2 . MHi. Centralis, o 4 .000 Grid Schedule Completed, t GOLD EN DALE, Wash., Nov. . (Special.) The schedule of the Gol dendale hsjfh school Mid-Columb'a league football team has been com pleted by Coach Dakin of the Golden dale team, who has arranged with L. A. King, coach of the Oregon City high school team, for a game with the latter eleven at Goldendale Thanksgiving day. Remaining garnet for Goldendale are: Armistice day, fcunnyslde high school at Sunnyslde, Wash.; November 18, Hill Military MANY PLAYERS DO NOT USE RIGHT KIND OF GOLF BALL Only Very Heavy Hitters Should Play With Small Pellet, Says Hutch ison, While Others Should Use Lighter Ball. BY JOCK HUTCHISON. Only American to win British open championship. I WONDER how many golf players know anything about the ball they use, or should use. Many golfers play with a ball that does not suit their game at all. This la true more often with the women. K was more true a year or so ago than to day, but the women golfers bave not awakened to this fact It was the golf authorities who put an end to the small, beavy ball by standardization. This made balls more uniform, and it was supposed that they would be better adapted to the average player. It will be necessary to go back a little in golf history to make certain points clear about the. modern ball. In the beginning the originators of the game used a feather ball. Old timers have told how they made them by stuffing a hatful of feathers into a little leather cover, and how hard they worked to get the cover on good and tight. We, who hit the rubber-cored ball 200 or 300 yards down the fairway today, can appreciate how the game has advanced since those times. The gutta percha ball followed the "leather." but it was by accident only that it came to supersede it. When gutta percha was discovered early in the last century It was thought to be suitable for golf balls. Several were made up and submitted to the royal and ancient 'committee. They were tried, but found wanting because they would not fly properly. The ball had a habit of ducking, which, of course, was no good for the players who wanted to Increase their distance, t It broke off line sharply and couia not be depended on for direc tion. W hy Balls Arc Dumped. The balls were thrown away, and some of them got Into the hands of the caddies. They began to bat them around with iron clubs and they be came nicked all over. The more the boys nicked them the greater dis tance the balls would fly. The boys called the committee's attention to. this strange result. The secret was soon discovered, new gutta percha balls were ordered and little lines or creases were made on the surface, which caused the ball to hold up in the air and steady on the line when properly hit. A ball perfectly smooth with a surface like marble will not resist the wind, and this was why the gutta ball was of no use until scarred. The rubber core made Its appear ance at the beginning of the present century, 21 years ago. The art of golf- Daii making Has all been learned in that time, and goifb.ills tcday are a pretty big part of the game. The first rubber cors had bramble markings, which gradually disaDDeared. eivtnr rubber cores had bramble markings. The dimple marking will hold the ball up Jn the air better than the old style, so experts claim. When the ball is used a lot and becomes dirty li will not ny nearly so far.. Golfers should remember this point and keep the ball clean. Nearly every up-to-date conrae has provided a bucket of academy at Portland; Thanksgiving day, Oregon City high school at Gold endale. Aberdeen Books Boxers. ABERDEEN, Wash.. Nov. 8 (Spe cial.) Jimmy Rivers, Tacoma light weight, and Young O Dowd, Aber deen, have been signed for the semi final supporting the Al Grunan-Monk Fowler show at the Eagle club; No vember 14. Bernle Dillon, Aberdeen feather, who fought a fast draw with Danny Martin of Tacoma, on the last bill, has- been matched with Eddie Fox, a Montesano boy. Ted Crechle, Hoquiam welter, and Kid Carfio of Manila are schedule4 to open the show. Crechle shaded the Filipino on the last card In a hard-fought battle. Wild Geese Plentiful. WHITE SALMON. Wash., Nov. . (Special.) The Roosevelt and Alder- dale districts in eastern Klickitat county, as well as Arlington, on the Oregon shore of the Columbia, are well known to hunters as being fa vorite grounds for Wild geese. t This year the birds .are numerous and many sportsmen are taking advan tage of the fact. There is a state law which prohibits the shooting of geese within a quarter of a mile of the river. La Center Hoopers Victors. RIDGEFIELD. Wash.. Nov. 8. (Spe cial.) The basketball quintet of the La Center high school, northeast of here, celebrated the advent of this sport by defeating the BatUe Ground high school hoop five by a score of Twc PERFECT SvaJM3 IN PRACTICE jo WALLOP IT A MlUE CO Q water and a towel at all tees for this purpose. While on the subject of cleanliness. I want to suggest that the player with a 'white ball before him every shot has a great advantage over the player with a dirty one at which to aim. It is easier to see and will ap pear much larger to the eye. We pros seldom play around without ueing two or three new balls. If the stake Is worth it, the expense- of a few balls Is trifling in comparison. We pros a,re responsible, I am afraid, for the women golfers follow ing our example in using a small, heavy ball when they were popular. These balls could only be driven a great distance by being hit very hard. They were made by winding the rub ber extremely tight, which made them more difficult to compress, but when hit a hard blow they could be com pressed sufficiently to get plenty of rebound from the club. The makers of balls, realizing that they were suited only to players who could sock hard, made several lighter balls. There are balls on the market made now to suit eVery golf swing. The easier the swing the lighter the Dan should be. The standard weighs 30 penny weights. This ball has been a great surprise to the authorities who tried to reduce the distance from the tee, as this model the best make will travel even a greater distance than the old 31. Best Ball for Woman Golfer. There Is a ball called a "29" that Is better adapted to the game of the woman golfer or Jhe light hitter. Thee mere is suii a iignter Dan mat is called a floater. Some players can use the floater, which Is intended for water hazards only, qn the entire round and get perfect satisfaction. However, it is not suited to most styles. ' I knew pros who used to drive one of the small heavy balls against the wind and one a little lighter with a following wind. I have often done this myself and found It an advan-J tage. The small, heavy ball was supposed to act steadier on the greens, as the claim was made for it that it would keep a better line. A large ball, every one thinks, is so light that the least thing defleots it from its course. A smaller ball Is good for a hard hitter. The present standard ball Is about as nearly perfect as possible, but manufacturers are not entirely satis fled. Balls vary a little, no matter what care is taken to make them perfect. Trouble sometimes results from having a ball lobsided. This is caused by hard hitting. Sometimes the core, not being in the exact center, causes trouble, not so much with the flight as on the putting green. If very much off center a small putt would not run straight. It would not make so much difference In the long putt, as It Is quite impossible for anyone to pick out the true line to the hole when as far as eight or ten feet away over a carpet of grass. A bad putt may, therefore, find its way into a cup while a supposed good one might miss it. . (Copyright by the Bell Syndicate. Inc.) 19 to 11, Saturday night at the gym nasium at La Center. Both quintets played good ball from the start to finish and were evenly matched in all departments. The La Center five was comprised of "Beckman. Olstedt, Knutesen, Soehl and Spady. Blind Draw May Be Abandoned. NEW YORK, Nov. 8. Abandon ment of the "blind draw" in tourna ments is being considered by the United States . Lawn Tennis associa tion. It has appointed a committee, of which R. Norris Williams of Bos ton, is cha'rmah, to ascertain the sentiment of leading tennis players in - gard to the step. This commit tee will report to the executive body cf the association at Its December meeting. Lebanon Beats Scio. SCIO. Of., Nov. 8. (Special.) Leb anon high school eleven beat the Scio high team here today 20 to 0. The result will be that the Lebanon squad will play Ashland for the Willamette Valley championship Saturday. Scio would have played the game had the team won today. The Scio eleven will play at Woodburn Friday. Bend Fans to Attend Game. BEND, Or., . Nov. 8. (Special.) Bend foatball fans, including some half dozen University of Oregon alumni, are planning to cross Mc Kenzie pass by auto on November 18 to attend the Oregon-O. A. C. game. The pass road is now in the best con dition of the season, it is reported. Orpheum matinee today, 15-25-50-Ad. AND THEN HE ' Ano TreM he Cave FANS HAVE GLIMPSE OF MARTIN AT WORK No Comic Stuff Is Pulled; Boxing Taken Seriously. CAPELLI IS, MET TONIGHT Fighters Slated for Main Event of Card at Armory Many Strange Faces on BUI. Portland fistic fans yesterday had their- first glimpse of Pickles Martin, the San Francisco mauler who faces Willie Capelli in the main event of tonight's boxing show at the armory. Martin works out at the Olympic Those who gathered at the gymna sium expecting to see a circus clown in action were disappointed. Advance reports of Martin described htm as a regular cut-up, but he didn't pull any of the comic stuff. Martin takes his fighting seriously, or at least the did in the workout. He displayed plenty of speed and ability to hit. The San Francisco battler also has a peculiar sort of Jump, which makes him resemble. a kangaroo to some ex tent. He Jumps three or four feet is? the air and . then lands with both fists on his surprised opponent. Tonight will not be the first time Capelli and Martin have met in the ring. They put on a 20-roundbout at Reno', Nev., last June, with Martin taking the decision. Capelli says he has solved Martin's style and will stow hina away tonight. . Fighters Same Balld. Both fighters are of practically the same build, being short and stocky, something on the Joe Gorman plan of architecture. There will not be more than two pounds difference in their weights, both tipping the scales around 135 pounds. Only, one of the boxers who will appear on 'the card is well known to Portland fans.- The others are new faces. 'Young Sam Langford of Seat tle, who meets Archie Stoy of Aber deen in ' the sloe-round seml-windup, has appeared here several times. Stoy boxed hei'e once,' bat is almost a stranger. ' - , ' Jimmy Cole of Cincinnati and Frankle Britt of Tacoma will square off in thu six-round special. Both are newcomers. prices Are Reduced. Jack Rose of Denver and Billy Lang of Seattle clash In one of the four round events, with George Welch and Chuck Helman mixing in the other opel, the curtain-raiser. Another; reduction in the price of admission has been made by the Port land boxing commission." All the cir cus seats Will gb at $165, Including war tax, while the ringside seats are 2.20. Sport New in Brief. Honolulu has become world famous not only as the "Paradise of the Pacific." but the ability of its citizens as the greatest swimmers of the world. Now the islands of the Pacific, of which Honolulu is the leading city, are planning to bold a great athletic track and field meet. Pan-Pacislc athletic championships will be the title and the plans so far suggested are that teams from all the South and' Central American countries, Japan, China, Korea, Siam, Dutch East Indies and the Pacific coast sections of Canada and the United States, be brought Into competition. It Is one of the greatest undertakings Hawaii has ever suggested. There Is now held In the oriental countries what ' is known as the "Eastern Olympic . games" in which all the countries of the east par ticipate. Honolulu Intends to go that meet one better and besides having those coun tries -invite also South America and otbera The Hawailans are alive to the advertis ing possibilities of the event which should have the support of the Amateur Athletic IJnion of the United States. ... Does "bush baseball" pay? In some parts uf the country there are rumors of large returns but It Is seldom that the failures I are known. .Tbere are. more failures than In the California San Joaquin valley is a bush league composed of teams from Hanford, Madera, Visalla and other towna The season has Just closed and while the nnnlttv nf hall nlau.H wram hivh tho fanm I failed to support the league. Madera, for example, a town of less than 4000 inhab itants. Is lacing a deficit of from $15,000 to l-'O.OOO, and most of the other towns face substantial deficits. The league started with high ambitions and ideals. Players of ability were hired and paid salaries that In some cases were on a par with those of the Pacifio Coast Class AA league. These small towns usually figure that having a good baseball team Is an ad vertising asset to the town. That Is a questionable angle. Usually such leagues are important In their own section, but little or no attention Is paid to them out- GAVE UP GOLF. HA HA LOOK out- For M BOYS -- RIGHT" Sunday MORNING akd There uf GqCf mm, side their Immediate geographical loca tion. They advertise their town. yea. but Ceaerally speaking enly to ballplayers who are looking for a Job. As a commercial advertising asset for the towns themselves imoDt people that count or among organ isations or cities far removed, the adver tisins value la valueless. These towns must have baseball, but they would save considerable money by confining their talent to their own home-grown producta Shooting Pheasants Charged. CEXTRALIA. Wash.. Nov. 8. (Spe cial.) J. H. Shultz of this city was arrested near Tenino Sunday by a deputy game warden of Thurston county on a charge of shooting Chi nese pheasants out of season. Shults was taken to Olympia, where he was released under $15 bond pending his hearing tomorrow. Yanks Train In Texas. NEW YORK, Nov. 8. Training quarters in Texas for the New York Yankees next spring have been de cided upon by the- club management. It was reported today. The location wlli be announced later. NOTRE DAME EASY VICTOR GAME WITH RUTGERS CON VERTED INTO TRACK MEET. Score 48 1 to 0 Indiana Eleven Plays Faster Game Than When . Defeating Army. NEW YORK," Nov. 8. Notre Dame today converted its tootball game vith Rutgers Into a track meet ana. running circles around the eastern team, claimed a 48 to 0 victory. The Indiana eleven, which last Sat urday trounced Army, played an even faster arame today. When the In diana backfield was not aiding and abetting in the manufacture of suc cessful passes, it 'was running the 100 around end in 10 flat. Just by way of variety, Wynne, and Castner, who each had made 50-yard runs for touchdowns, kicked a field goal apiece. Ruts-era had only one chance to score Mn the second period and muffed that. t The game was marked by ,requent fumbles and penalties and a display of tackling that 6ent players to the side lines. Gridiron Notes. The Portland Independent football league' will end Sunday afternoon with Arleta Athletic club and the St. Johns Bachelors' club playing in the Franklin bowl for the championship. Each team has won two games and tied- one. Coach McKeown, of the Arleta team, will have his squad practice three nights this week. The first practice will be held tomorrow night at East Second and Wash ington streets at 7:30 o'clock. , The Bachelors did not play Sunday, so will be 'in tip-top condition for the tussle. Arleta had an easy time with Sellwood, winning 32-0. :- g m " The Alblna and Oregon City teams of the Portland Independent Football league fought to a standstill Sunday on the Jef ferson high field. Neither team could score. Albina's goal was In danger once only when Oregon City recovered an Al blna fumble on Alblna's own 20-yard line. Here Alblna held and Oregon City's only chance to score went for naught. Burns and Hoffard played well for Alblna. while Stone, McDowell and Montgomery starred for Oregon City. . Sllverton high defeated Stayton high Saturday at Sllverton. 48 to 0. Although Sllverton was penalised 110 yards and used many substitutes, Stayton could make few galna against Silverton's line, while the winner's back field smashed through H-r.nu At wilL Sllverton plays Estacada bigll Armistice day. The Goose Hollow -football eleven de feated Pier Park 18 to 0. Sunday. Both teams played well but Goose Hollow was the more aggressive in pin.-. Ringside Randoms. Johnny Trambitas will leave Portland for Los Angeles to Join h.. orother Alex within the next few days. Trambitas has been figuring on taking pan in a maicn at Milwaukee November 16 before leaving. However, his 80-day suspension at the hands of the Portland boxing commission will not be up until November 19, so the Mllwaukie officials had to forget him. Dr. Earl C. McFarland. chairman of the Portland commission, refused to consider raising the Trambitas suspension three days before it ran out so as to give the boxer a chance to restore himself In the good graces of the fans. ... Tommy Gibbons will meet Farmer Lodge in New Orleans this week. What a soft one for Tommy! Lodge had all he could do to .stand up eight rounds with Tiny Herman here. How will he fare in jt 15-round go with Gibbons? -' Both Dave and Billy Shade were to have fought In New York last Saturday night, but as yet aothing has been heard of the outcome of their melee. -Billy took on Homer Smith, the Kalamasoo heavy, weight, while Pave met Jimmy Kelley. Phone your want ads to The Orego nlan. Main 7070. Automatic 660-95. 5E"f for The Drive TO BEAT EVERETT Coach Fenstermacher Says Surprise Is Coming. WILSON TO BE TARGET Intent to 'Watch Star of Northern High School la Announced by Local Official. ' 4 The Washington, high school foot ball team, which plays Everett high at Everett. Wash., Thanksgiving day for the Interscholastic championship of the northwest, will start -secret signal practice early next week, ac cording to W. A. Fenstermacher, Washington coach. "We expect to give Everett a big surprise," said Fenstermacher yes terday. "Everett's whole team is built around one man Wilson, and, believe me, we will watch that fel low. "When Evetett played Columbia, Wilson made his yardage ' on off- tackle plays. Washington has In Llebe and Mauts a pair of tackles tnat will be equal to the occasion. It will take speed to keep up with Everett s shift formation and Wash ington has a speedy line. " ' "Everett won its game against Co lumbla by a couple of forward passes. My ends are sure tacklers but run in some times when they- should play back. I am going to drill them to stop the end runs of Everett. As for forward passes. Priestly and Morrison know how to play back on defense." Mr. Fenstermacher said that he has little fear that Everett will smash his line. "Washington Is strong from tackle to tackle, and as the Everett backs could not do much bucking Ore line against Columbia, I don't think they will break through our line," ha added. "Washington has. In my opin ion, the best defensive center in the Portland public school league. I don't believe there is a center in the league who is as good a tackier as Carlberg. - "Schulmerich of Columbia made yardage often against Everett by end runs and off-tackle bucks. I think Potter is speedier than Schulmerich, while Morrison is probably as fast. Then I have a good line plunger In Baker, our fullback. Priestly, the other backfield -man, who rounds out our backfield quartet. Is good on de tensive, gives good interference, and makes yardage when he carries the ball. Morrison is a better punter than Wilson of Everett. "Washington has no individual stars like Schulmerloh of Columbia or Wilson of Everett. When one of my players gets hurt I have men oh the bench who are practically as good. For example, Schmekel, our substi tute quarter, can make any other backfield in the interscholastic league. But as we have Potter, we have to keep Schmekel on the bench In case anything should happen to Potter, the team would not be de moralized, as Schmekel can handle the team almost as well. That ap plies also to all other positions on the team. "The fans may be surprised if we don't run up a large score against James John tomorrow, but It is my Intention to give every second string man a chance to show his wares. That constant shifting may keep the score down. We are fortunate this year in having had no Injuries, so few of the substitutes have had a chance to play.' "After tomorrow's game with James John we will get' down to some real hard practice. If I can obtain the Washington gymnasium for the pur pose, we will hold secret signal prac tice there every day. Although Coach Fenstermacher would not discuss prospects for an lntersectional east vs. west game if Washington should beat Everett. which was the national interscholas tic champion In 1920, .students at Washington high believe that In such case the school directors would set aside the ruling forbidding more than one post-season game. This would give Washington a chance to play a Christmas game either here or in the east. ' . Franklin and Lincoln high schools play today on Multnomah - field. Franklin seems the better team on paper, but as the Quakers play like champions one day'and blow up an other Lincoln may spill the dope and win. . e . . Students of Vancouver high school object to a recent Item from Ridge field that the Boy Scouts of that place defeated the Vancouver " high school "second team." They assert that the Vancouver team that played had no connection with the high school squad whatsoever. J. R. Moly neux. manager of the Vancouver high school team. Vouches for the state ment that no Vancouver high players were on the team that played at Ridgefield. SPECIAL FARE FOR GAME Southern Pacific and Oregon Elec tric Announce Rates. The Southern Pacific has announced a round trip rate of one and one-half regular one-way fare to Corvallis for the home-coming festivities and the OTgon Aggie-Washington State foot ball game there Friday, Armistice day. Tickets may be used going to Corvallis either Thursday or Friday, and on the return up to Sunday, No vember 13. The Oregon Electric pre viously had announced the same spe cial "round trip rate. Both lines also will sell - one and one-half fare round trip tickets to the "Oregon-Oregon Aggie game at Eugene, November 19. x. Standard Oilers to Bowl. The Standard OH bowling league will play its next series of games in the' Oregon bowling alleys, Thursday night, November 10. The Cashiers and the Stock department teams are at present tied for the league. The players of the service station depart ment and those of the engineering department have been getting into shape and may break into tne win column Thursday. Football Facts. By Sol Hetsger. Q. Is there any restriction 4tn the dis tance a forward pass may be thrown A. There is not. Q. Does a forward pass have to be thrown across the line of scrimmage T A. It does not. v Q. If i. quarterback standing one yard bacsr of the snapper back receiver the ball and delivers It to one of his backs and In so doing hands the bail forward, is the play legal? '. Jl. It is an Illegal forward pass because the passer was not fire -yards behind the line of scrimmage q. How can you tell when a passer In tentionally grounds a forward paasT A. It Is purely a matter of Judgment on the part of the referee. It should hot be difficult to determine. Q. What is the. difference between a player completing a forward psss and then fumbling the ball and a player receiving a forward pass and hsving It ruled as in complete because It fell to the ground T A. In order for It to b. a tumble the player receiving th. pass must not only have had possession of the ball, but also control of It. If he did not. the pass Is ruled as incomplete. SCXDODGERS IX GOOD SHAPE Eleven Works- Out Preparatory to . Leaving for California. SEATTLE, Wash.. Nov. . (Spe c'aL) After coming through the bat tle with Stanford In good condition, the feundodgers worked out on Denny field this afternoon for the last time before leaving tomorrow afternoon for Berkeley to play California. Washington is going south to fight the Bears to the limit, according to Coach Brgshaw, who says that the Washington eleven again will be out weighed ty its opponents. Bagshaw lias probably the lightest eleven in the Pacifio coast conference. Be tween 12 and 14 pounds to the man is tne advantage In weight Baggy at tributes to. the Bear machine over Washington. The stocky varsity men tor chuckl&4 when the subject of weight was brought up. ' ("Yea, we've got a heavy team," he grinned. "Why, our guards weigh close to 175 pounds each." Baggy undoubtedly will start the tame linesmen who performed against the Cards. "The Washington line played even letter than was expected," was the coach's praise. "Those fellows held the heavy Stanford men and opened good holes. They are going to California- to fight." FROSII GETTIXG IXTO SHAPE Big Gume With Rooks to Be Played on Saturday. UNIVERSITY' OF OREGON. Eu gene, Nov. 8. (Special.) Coaches Williams and Brandenberg are round ing the freshmen eleven Into shape for the big game against the Aggie looks. The game will be played In Corvallis Saturday. Aside from the ierrlflc drubbing received at the hancs of the University of Washing ton babes, the Oregon eleven has been winning by big scores. Both teams defeated Mt. Angel by big scotes. Basketball Call Sounded. WILLAMETTE UNIVERSITY, Sa lem, Or., Nov. 8. (Special.) Coach Bohler svunded the first call of the basketball season when he announced this morning that practice for the inter-class Berles would begin in the armory this afternoon. All men in the university are eligible. The series 'of intramural games will be run off after Thanksgiving. EX-SHERIFF IS GUILTY PAROLE AT FOSSIL FOLLOWS 15-YEAR SEXTEXCE. Wheeler County ex-Official Pleads Guilty to Larceny of About $19,973 Public Funds. FOSSIL, Or., Nov. 8. (Special.) Oscar Kelsay, ex-sherlff of Wheeler county, today pleaded guilty to a charge of larceny of public funds, and was sentenced to 15 years In the pen itentiary. He was paroled Immediate ly afterward. Kelsay, who was sheriff here for about 13 years, was said to have mis appropriated approximately 919,973, ajid to have returned $1601) after he was arrested. He is a member of a pioneer Oregon family, and was born in this state.- Kelsay was arrested last Septem ber, and released on $7000 bails The grand Jury returned an Indictment against him Saturday. He was rep resented in court by Judge Butler of The Dalles. The case attracted wide attention. The courtroom was packed today when the case was opened before Judge Parker. Kelsay is about 40 years old. He has a wife and four children. "The family has little property, and it was understood that the bonding com. janv would be held for the missing I'unds. It was said that Kelsay took the money from time to time, and made up the shortage each year when new taxes began coming in. He had a good reputation here, but he made frequent trips to Portland, and sines his arrest there have been rumors to the effect that he mlxe4 In the night ife of that city. Judge Parker made no statement as to why he paroled the prisoner. GUARDSMEN TAKE TESTS Examinations Preparatory to Final West Point Admission Quiz. SALEM, Or., Nov. 8. (Special.) Examination of Oregon guardsmen, preparatory to final tests to be held at Vancouver, Wash., "for admission-to West Point Military academy, were held here today. Among those taking the examina tions were Corporal Fay Bragg, sep- . .. A. I ...... M.fn.rf. Corporal Willis F. Devaney, 6th com pany, coast artillery, Aioany; rrivsia Joseph V. McOee, Sth company, Al bany; Private Harold G. Savage, 2d company, coast artillery, Marshfleld; Private James H. Van Winkle, 6tn company, Albany, and Corporal Will iam R. Clary, 1st company, coast ar tillery, Salem. x Two of the men taking the exam inations here today will be appointed by Governor Olcott to take the final examinations at Vancouver. These men will be recommended to the gov ernor by Adjutant-General White. ' EX-GOVERNOR IS GUEST Mr. Louden Speaks at Dinner of , ' Illinois Society. - The Illinois society of Portland, had as its guest at dinner last night in the Portland hotel ex-Governor Frank O. Lowden of Illinois. Mrs. Ed ward H. Nlemeyer, president of the society, presided. Mr. Lowden said in part: "I believe one of the first settle ments In Oregon was by a group of Illlnolsans who came from Peoria. You Bhould' be proud to live in such a wonderful country as Oregon." The 1925 booster exposition song was' sung by Professor Riley, an ex Illlnois resident. Labor President Resigns. SALEM, Or., Nov, 8. (Special.) L J. Slmeral. for several years presi dent of the Salem Central Trades and Labor council, tonight resigned from the position because of private mat ters needing his attention. Mr. Slmeral will continue as a member, of the labor council, according to announce ment made by him today. Orpheum matins today, 15-25-BO-Ad. Orpheum matinee today, 15-25-60-Ad. YALE STAGES COMEBACK HARVARD AND PRIXCETOX TEAMS APPEAR WEAKER. Defeat or One of "Big Tlirco" Said j to Give Victors More Prestige Than Other Conquests. NEW YORK. Nov. 8. Little by little football critics are putting their fin gers on this or that team as having displayed either the actual or poten tial strength to receive consideration as leading gridiron machines of th. 1921 season. Of the so-called Big Three. Yale ap pears to be staging a comeback after years In th doldrums of defeat. The. front held by the Big Three has re mained firm unly 4n the Yale sector. Harvard has had Its line bent, while Princeton has' been pretty thoroughly shattered. The term "Big Three" is not self assumed, as many suppose. It was wished on these universities by the public many years ago when they were supreme in the football of that day, before the open game and the overhead attack. And even today colleges can derive more satisfaction out of defeating one of this trium virate, even though It may be having an off season, than ky beating the team which, for the moment, may have flashed into football prominence for a season or two. There is a say ing that "teams may come and teams may go, but the Big Three go on for ever." Many years of play and a fairly consistent show of strength over a long period have given them a prestige which even off seasons fall to dim. Nobody Is overlooking the fact that Penn State is looming large over tho eastern football horizon. Lafayette, which defeated Pittsburg, has rather an imposing record, but few would concede it a chance today to repeat over the Smoky City players. Fol lowers of football who have, for years, kept close track of the trend of events, set little store on what -hap- ycio ... - son. Almost every team has some game at which it is "pointing" Us "big game" and all others are merely' incidental to this main event. Whatever may be the standings of the Army and Navy teams. It must not be forgotten that these elevens are under no restraint of a three year clause, nor is any limitation placed on when they may begin pre paring for the season. As a matter of fact. Annapolis had three weeks more of actual field practice than Princeton before these two teams met. GRESHAAM HAS ELECTION T. .R- Howitt, C. I. Raker and A. F. Hammer Win Council Seats. GRESHAM, Or., Nov. 8. (fecial.) T. R. Howitt, C. I. Raker and A. F. Hammar were s winners in today's election for cily cpuncllmen. The largest ballot ever polled here, 272 voles, was cast. The vote follows: C. I. Raker, 145; T. R. Howitt, 139; A. F. Hammar. 125; E H. Kelley, 119; William Thorn, 118; . . . . l ftC 1 T V unanes vieveianu. f . .u w. . Cogswell, 53. WHEN The Oregonlan always pub. lished the list of "first nlghters" at the Marquam Grand theater, also the list of hotel arrivals and the pas senger lists of the sailing and arriv ing San Francisco steamers? BARNACLES. .... When Count Senosky would carry off the gold medals at Merrtll's prise waltzes at the Mechanics' pavilion? DIRAGO. ... When Kalama threatened to efface Portland from the map as a seaport? t C. B. W. ... Those coveted photographs of Jean nie Winston that were given away with each bottle of Child's Snowflake (for the .complexion), and how we used to keep a watchful eye on mam ma's bottle of Snowflake. and encour nire her to lay It on heavy? M. ... When the American Bhlp TUlie E. Starbuck brought the Northern Pa cific transfer boat Tacoma around Cape Horn, and It was assembled on the city leVee at the foot of Jefferson st.-sct? H. R. ... Those Fourth, of July celebrations with fireworks on barges and the gorgeous Illuminated river parades? MRS. S. - When Gassy Charley was the pound master and drove wild horses through the streets? M. E. 1). - . r When we played ball behind the O T. cqrnpaJry's barn, now Sixth and Hoyt? LANG SYNE. .... When St. Helen's hall occupied the block now used by the City Hall? OBSERVER.. ... When the Salvation Army used to be considered a nuisance In Portland because the big bass drum frightened the horses? J. W. T. ... Wnen you could put on your skates at Third and.Gllsan on a snappy win ter un aim Dnain vvm-i - -- and Guild's lake without a stop for nuies: . . When Charley Grltzmacher was chief of police, and what the chief said went? EX-POLICEMAN. FOOTBALL Home-Coming Game ARMISTICE DAY t FRIDAY, NOV. 11 O. A. C. "Fighting Aggies" vs. w. s. c. "Battling Cougars" O. A. C. STADIUM Corvallis .v 2:43 P. M. Prices $2.50, $2, $1.50, $1 Reservations A. O. Spalding- A Bros.. Portland; Hauler Bros. Stores, Salem, Albany and Eugene; jamet J. Richardson, O. A. C., Cor vallis. Reduced railroad rates. ilffiMEMBER. I 1 V