. ' : t . w ' V 4 VOL, IAK VO 18.10.1 Entered at Portland (Oregon) V L.s.-V. XO,iV. pnstof rice as Second-Class Matter. PORTLAND OREGON, WEDNESDAY, MARCH 17, 1920 PRICE FIVE CENTS !LEADERS ACTIVELY TWO-CENT RISE DUE ' IN GASOLINE TODAY TONGUE POINT NAVAL BASE PLAN BOOSTED TWO FLEETS TO" JOIN OFF WESTERN COAST liiuuum, on i j kj in i i ; IS REPORTED OUT T SUIT TESTIFIES NEW CHANCELLOR NEW RESERVAT1 SOVIET APPROVED SEEKING SUPPDR REPUBLICAN LIMIT i ' - . i i EX-SPEAKER XOT IX RACE FOR SEXATORSU1P. ' MOTORISTS GLUM AS STAXD .' ARD JUMPS GALLON' MARK. PROJECT HAS APPROVAL OF FULL HOUSE COMMITTEE. MAXEUVERS OX PACIFIC SCHEDULED FOR JANUARY. .. t "i I-. - a. J - - t i .',-1 Dr. Kapp, Dispatch Says, . . Has Kesignea. EBERT FORCES ENCOURAGED Early Return of President to Capital Expected. CRUISER BOMBARDS KIEL Hundreds Reported Killed and Wounded Hindenburg Urges Sew Elections Call. LONDON, March 17. Chancellor Kapp, head of the new government at Berlin, has resigned in favor of Presi dent Kbert. says the Berlin corre spondent of the London Times, under date of Tuesday evening. Eforts to form a Kapp ministry have been abandoned. LONDON, March 16. Four hundred persons are reported to have been killed and many persons wounded in a bombardment of Kiel by the Ger man cruiser Kckernfoerde, says i Central News dispatch from Copen hagen quoting the Kkstrabiadet's Kiel correspondent. The dispatch adds that some quar ters of the town were destroyed by the bombardment. The cruiser la said to have directed its fire especially against the quarters of the workmen who arc opposed to the Kapp govern ment. In addition to the report of the bombardment of Kiel, detailed reports have been received of severe fighting there. The Dally Mail's Berlin cor respondent under date of Monday says that the communists seized the arsenal, six officers and a number of soldiers being killed. Later a marine brigade supporting the new govern ment retook the arsenal, where about ZOO arc reported to have been killed. BERLIN, March 16. -(Ey the Asso ciated Press.) The new" Kapp gov ernment at Berlin hag not found the support it had looked for, and while its hold on the administrative activi ties is growing weaker, the strength of President Kbert and his support ers, including the members of . the national assembly at Stuttgart, has increased materially, if all reports are to be believed. Consequently Ebert's return to Berlin at an early date is confidently predicted in some quar ters. That Dr. Wolfgang Kapp has vir tually reached the end of his re sources, so far as concerns himself as head of the revolutionary "movement, is evidenced by the fact that he Is s-aid to have been ready to retire eince Saturday, but was persuaded by Colonel Bauer, leader of the roy alist party, and Major-General Ludcn dorff to remain. ew nrglnie ImpoMslble. General Groener, the Prussian war minister, the Frankfurter Zentung asserts, has telegraphed to Field Marshal von Hindenburg that, in his opinion the' Kapp-Von Lutttwitz government is an impossible one, whether from the viewpoint of home affairs or foreign affairs. Groener is quoted as saying that Von Hinden burg is the idol of the German peo ple, and a word from him would suf fice to bring back the regular troops to a constitutional basis. General Groener is also credited with having sent a. message to Ebert offering to act as mediator between him and Von Hindenburg with a view to restoring constitutionalism. Von Hindenburg has written to Dr. Kapp advising him to withdraw from his position, Cologne dispatches say, and has advised President Ebert to call for new elections. Kbcrt's Grip Tightens. Thus far, however, what the con stitutional president intends to do is not known In Berlin. But the future action of the national assembly will probably decide his attitude. Those who optimistically believed Ebert might enter into negotiations with the Berlin government wera dis appointed to learn today that no defi nite negotiations are under way, though the basis of agreement as outlined yesterday by the Kapp fac tion seemed to afford an opportunity for the two contending governments to enter into a discussion. President Eberfs firm grip on ad ministrative affairs in Berlin is in dicated by the fact that the imperial finance minister, by his orders, has refused to turn over the money nec essary for the payment of the troops, demanded by the revolutionary chan cellor, and the tinder-secretaries of the various ministries, as well as other officials, have absolutely re fused to take orders from the new government. Some of them have quit Berlin. Genera! Strike la Felt. The general strike proclaimed not only in Berlin but throughout Ger many was more pronounced today than ever, with the result that thou sands were feeling the pinch of hun ger, and the eocialist and labor lead ers were urging that this weapon he used in its full force in behalf of the constitutionalists. Capital punishment has been de creed by General von Luettwits for those fomenting strikes or exercising Concluded on Face 2. Column l.f I Missourian BelieTes He Can Better Scrve nis peo",e er J Branch of Congress.' . WASHINGTON, March 16. Repre sentative Champ Clark of Missouri formally announced today that" he, would not be a can'didate for the sen ate because of his unwillingness to "swap the democratic leadership in j the house for the position of United i States senator." The former speaker declared in a statement "to the people of Missouri" that between the two offices he felt he could render better service by re maining in the house. "I havti never believed a man has any moral right to enter a race for a great office involving himself and his friends in all sorts of labor and tur moil without first viewing the land scape o'er and considering the whole situation." he said. "This is particularly as to the Mis souri senatorship by reason of the large number of people who have written or spoken to me urging that I should become a candidate and prof fering such support. "I have considered it from every standpoint. "As a result, I have concluded not to be a candidate for the senate, thereby swapping the democratic leadership in the house for the posi tion of a new senator. There is a house habit with which I am thor oughly acquainted, and a senate habit with which I am not familiar. Betwixt the two, I prefer the house." STOLEN BANK BOX FOUND Valuable Records Taken by Scio liobbers Recovered. ALBANY, Or., March 16. (Special.) A metal box belonging to the Scfb postoffice, which was taken from the vault of the Scio State bank when the safety deposit boxes of the bank were rifled recently, has been discovered under the approach to Green's bridge, whiuh crosses the Santiain river be tween Scio and Jeffersoi-. The discovery furnishes the first definite clew to the course taken by the robbers, who evidently fled by automobile. The box ' contained the only record of the sale of war sav ings stamps at the Scio postoffice and will enable people who lost such stamps in the robbery to make proper claims to the government. The box was found by members of a county crew working on the bridge while resting under the approach during the noon hour. SHIPPING POLICY SOUGHT Senate Sub-Committee to Tackle Merchant Marine Problem. WASHINGTON, March 16. A sub committee of nine was appointed to day by the senate commerce commit tee to formulate a permanent mer chant marine policy. Senator Jones, republican, Wash Ington, will head the sub-committee, of which the other members are Sen ators Fernalil, Maine; Calder, New Tork; Colt, Rhode Island, and Sic Nary, Oregon republicans, and Fletcher, Florida; Chamberlain, Ore gon; Ransdcll, Louisiana, and Sim mons, North Carolina, democrats. It will review evidence taken during prolonged hearings in arriving at recommendations to the full com mittee. POST BANS OUIJA BOARDS Hood River American Legion to Give Benefit Party for Rome. - HOOD RIVER, Or., March 16. (Special.) Ouija boards are banned at the American Legion home benefit card party to be given next Tuesday night. Other forms of "fortune tell ing" will be part of the entertain ment. The party wmVh is given primarily to raise funds for a permanent home building for the post, is in charge of the following: V Mrs. L. N. Blowers, Mrs. L. M. Bent ley, Mrs. A. C. Lofts, Mrs. A. S. Keir, Mrs. Minnie J. Voider Ahc, Mrs. V. U, Abraham and Mrs. F. C. Sherriebb. 14 POLICE GET SIX PINTS Canadian Liquor Cargo May Have ' Reached Thirsty Citizens. Fourteen policemen led by Lieuten ant Thatcher raided the tanker Oleum which arrived at the Linnton docks last- night from Canadian ports, and found six pints of whisky. The liquor was confiscated. The police understood that the tinker was due here at 10 F. M. and hoped to secure a large cargo of con traband liquor and opium. The tanker arrived at-4 P. M. and the raiders-did not reach the dock until six hours later . ' CHINA INDICATES POLICY Xorlli and South to Be Reconciled Before Talking to Japan. HONOLULU, T. H., March 16. The Pekin government has instructed the Chinese minister at Washington to notify the American state department that the policy of China is to recon cile the north and south factions in China before negotiating with Japan on the Shantung question.. This news comes through a Tokio wireless message picked up here by the Japanese cruiser Takumo. Center of Political Fight in Middle West. ;: SOUTH DAKOTA BATTLE IS HOT Lowden Holds Home State In Firm and Sure Grip. MINNESOTA AFFORDS CLUE La Follette Still Wields Great In fluence in Wisconsin and Can didates Are Warned Away. BY MARK SULLiyAN. (Copyright by X. Y. Evening Post. Inc. Published by Arrangement.) CHICAGO, March 16. The race among the republican candidates for the presidency has reached a tense ness in the middle west far beyond anything realized in the east. All the candidates and all their managers take the view that the primaries about to be held during the coming weeks are of importance not only be cause of the number of actual dele gates at stake, but also because of the psychological effect. They be lieve that this is the time when, if at any time before the convention, it is possible to get the advantage of a demonstration of leadership. They believe that any candidate who gets a markedly preponderant popular vote, especially in Minnesota. South Dakota and Michigan, will thereby secure what they call the band wagon position; and this year the band wagon position is even more important than usual because of the large number of politicians ana teaa ers throughout the country who have no particular fidelity to any one can didate, and whose main interest lies in being with the winner. For this reason the candidates are devoting the utmost of their strength to getting the largest possible vote in the primaries about to occur in the middle west during the next few weeks. Illinois Is Lowdn's home state, and at the present' moment it is safe to snv thnt every delegate from that state, will be named by the Lowden organization or will be satisfactory to it. Senator Harding will be less fortunate with his home state. It is believed that from four to ten out of Ohio's forty-eight delegates vTill be instructed for General Wood. Indiana will be one of the real battle grounds of the country. The result of the primaries in that state may readily give a clue to the final result. The Indiana law provides that the primary shall be void unless pome one of the candidates gets over 50 per cent of the total vote. Inasmuch as four candidates Wood, Lowden, Johnson and Harding are all con testing the stiite it would seem im probable that any one of them "will get as much as 50 per cent of the total vote. In that event, the destina tion of Indiana's thirty votes in the national convention will be deter mined by the net result of the wire pulling and other strategy of the va- (Concluded on rage G, Column 3.) YUM-YUM-3I-M! J r.llllll L J- Lil t'l Ml L : U " .... -- ..... - -- - - f Otlier Corporations Expected to Follow Suit Shortly on Plea of Underproduction. The price of gasoline goes up 2 cents a gallon today in Portland and all the rest of Oregon, all of Wash ington, Idaho, California, Nevada and Arizona. This cheering news for the motor ist to enojy over his morning coffee was announced last night by J. E. Balsley, district sales manager of the Standard Oil company, following tele graphic instructions from . K. R. Kingsbury, president of the Standard Oil company, of California, at San Francisco. The new scale brings the price of gasoline at filling stations and ga rages in Portland from 25 cents to 27 cents per gallon. At Vancouver and other western Washington points it is now 24 cents, -an increase from 22 cents per gallon. The differential of 2 cents per gallon against Oregon motorists, 1 cent of which is due to the state tax and the other 1 cents to the state law requiring that all gasoline sold in the state must be of 56 specific grav ity, still remains. The Union Oil company, Shell Oil company and Associated Oil com panies had no announcement to make last night as to an increase in price today. Following (the rise of 1 cents per gallon made by the Stan dard Oil company last December 17, exactly three months ago, the Shell and Union Oil companies followed suit almost immediately. The asso ciated continued the old price for two or three weeks, then increased half a cent, and shortly afterward another cent, making its quotation the same as that of the Standard and other companies. The increase in the price of gaso line today is accompanied by an in crease in price of fuel oil of 25 cents barrel. The price here for fuel oil yesterday was $1.65 a barrel Today it is $1.90. The statement of President Kings bury, telegraphed from San Francisco, announced, however, that this in crease of 25 cents a barrel for fuel oil to consumers is accompanied by an increase of the same amount per barrel for crude oil at the well for all grades. This means, it was ex plained here last night by Mr. Bals ley, that the Standard Oil cmpany is doing its utmost to increase produc tion at the wells, and to encourage new development, by. offering the highest price in the history of Cali fornia for crude oil at the well. Production on this coast, he said, has been slipping behind for months, in spite of all efforts to increase it. The following statement from President Kingsbury of the Standard Oil company of California, in ex planation of the increase in price of gasoline and crude oil, accompanied announcement of the increase last night: ."These advances in the prices of petroleum products are the natural and direct result of a shortage in petroleum supply, coupled with an increased dejnand, not only in Cali fornia but throughout the country. For example, in the east, prices of gasoline have reached such high levels that it is now practicable for (astern buyers to purchase this pro duct in California, pay all transporta tion charges and market it at a profit as far east as the Atlantic. Today gasoline sells for 28 cents whole sale In New York, atrainst 19 cents wholesale in San Francisco, a dif ference of 9 cents per gallon. Rail (Concluded on Page 3, Column 4.) Initial Appropriation of $250,000 for Purpose Recommended; Mc Arthur Hopeful of Outcome. OREGONIAN NEWS BCRE AU. Washington. March 16. The full membership of the house naval af fairs committee this morning eanc' tioned the report of the sub-commit tee and thereby recommended to the house the establishment of a sub marine and destroyer base and avl ation station at Tongue point, near the mouth of the Columbia river, and recommended an initial appropriation of $250,000 for the project. The item will be included in the annual naval appropriation bill, which will be re ported to the house tomorrow and will be taken up for consideration Thurs day. Under the rules of the house legis lation increasing the burden of tax ation on the government is subject to a point of order and the Tongue point item is clearly subject to a point of order and will go out of the bill if objected to by any individual on the floor. In case objection is offered Representative McArthur will ask that it be withheld until he has an opportunity to make a presentation of the case on the floor, and he to day expressed himself as confident of being able to allay opposition to the proect on the Columbia. yir. McArthur made a vain effort this morning to have the naval af' fairs committee include the Port An geles project, but his motion was voted down, H to 6. He was uncertain to day whether he would renew his fight for Port Angeles on the floor of the house or urge the senate committee on naval affairs to include it. He said after today's meeting that the com mittee gave preference to the Colum bia river project because of the great expanse of unprotected coastline be tween Mae Mare Island and Bremerton yards, and that the arguments in sup port of the Port Angeles project were not as strong as those for the Colum bia river because of the proximity of Port Angeles to the Bremerton yard and the long stretch of coastline be tween Port Angeles and Mare Island. Members of the committee realize the importance of both of these pro posed submarine destroyer stations, but regard the one on the Columbia rivcr'as of greater Importance at this time. B0ARDMANHAS BIG BLAZE Early Morning Fire Does Damage to Extent of $28,000. PENDLETON, Or., March 16. (Spe cial.) Fire this morning at Board man caused losses of $20,000 to the Ballinger Lumber company and $SO00 to the Haskins grocery. The hotel had a narrow escape, but was saved without injury. The garage adjoining the lumber company's offices was untouched, though the grocery which was burned was two blocks away from the lum ber yard. It is believed the fire started from a passing engine. The alarm was first given by an eng'ne going through about 4 o'clock this morning, and it was not until noon that the flames were under control. A high wind all morning made the fire difficult to fight, but aid brought from Umatilla succeeded in master ing 't. Tho yards were filled to capacity with lumtier and made a hot blaze. The warehouse, yards and offices of the lumber company were totally de stroyed. The $20,000 loss, however, is offset by $14,000 Insurance. The hotel was insured to the extent of $5000. "Grave Concern" Pledge in Crisis Proposed. LEADERS REACH AGREEMENT Anti-Administration Forces Will Go No Farther. ROLL CALL IS FORECAST Vote on Ratification May Come Friday or Saturday Irish Ques tion Is Debated. WASHINGTON, March 16. A gen eral declaration of international policy, under.whlch the United States would view with "grave concern" any future upheaval threatening the peace and freedom of Europe, was agreed on by republican senate lead ers today and presented as a new reservation to the peace treaty. Intended to replace the more defi nite pledges of article 10, the reser vation is to be pressed in the senate as the farthest step the republican leaders are willing to go toward abandonment of American Isolation and participation in European con flicts. Its text follows: "It shall be the declared policy of tnis government that the freedom and peace of Europe being again threatened by any power or combina tion of powers, the United States will regard such a situation with grave concern, and will consider what, if any, action it will take in the pre mises." Ratification Itollt-n'll ear, Senator Lenroot. Wisconsin, drafted it in consultation with other republi can leaders and introduced it In the senate at the end of a day of debate on the Irish question which delayed treaty action. It was predicted to night, however, that the ratification rollcall would come Friday or Sat urday. Not many democrats had had an opportunity tonight to study tho new republican proposal, and It was un certain how much support It would command from them. omc senators predicted, however, that it might have me eitect of softening the resent ment of the administration over the republican article 10 reservation and win over enough democratic votes to ratify tho treaty. Republican!! (lalsn Gain. A claim of further gains in break ing down administration resistance was made on the republican side dur ing the day and some ieaders were asserting tonight that the rollcall would show a total very close tn two-thirds required to ratify with the republican reservations. It 1b 1 understood to be the purpose. If rati f .cation, fails, to reconsider and take ! a second vote in the hope that after they have made their records of op position, a handful more of the dem ocratic senators will leave the admin istration's lead and save the treaty from another failure. The new reservation follows the (Concluded on Pase I. Column 3:) ! "Battle" Between Two Contin gents, Similar to Actual War fare, to Be Arranged. WASHINGTON, March IS. The Pa cific and Atlantic fleets will meet off the Pacific coast of Panama next January in their first Joint maneuv ers, designed to keep the navy "on its toes" during peace time. This was decided today at a con ference between Secretary Daniels and Admirals Rodman and Wilson, fleet commanders. It is practically certain that a "battle" between the fleets, similar to actual warfare, will be arranged. It may also serve as a test of the Panama canal as an elc ment of naval strategy. After the practice the combined fleet will visit principal Pacific coast ports of the United states to give the people an opportunity to see the na tlon's full naval fighting force. It will be the first time that the entire battleship Btrength has visited the Pacific coast since the Atlantic fleet made its memorable cruise around the world in 1907-08. The fleet which will steam out of Panama bay for San Francisco next year will be many times larger and more powerful than that which the late Rear Admiral Rohley D. Evans took through the Golden Gate in 1S08 after a voyage around Cape Horn. There will be 16 battleships of the dreadnought class the same number that circled the globe perhaps dozen second-line battleships, 11 cruisers and supporting units of de stroyers, submarines and auxiliaries. Among second-line ships will be a number that made the cruise around the world. But they will go to tho Pacific before that time, as six, In cluding the Connecticut, . which was Admiral Hvans' flagship In 1!0S, have been assigned to take midshipmen from Annapolis vm June 8 on a cruise to Hawaii and several Pacific ports. The voyage will end August 28. PASTOR HELD FOR THEFT Minister Accused of Taking Wom an's Handbag Willi $7 I. HI. COLUMBUS. O., March 16. The Uev A. M. Johnson, Columbus, was ar rested late today by the police on complaint of Mrs. Elizabeth Metcalfe, wife of an attorney, who charges the minister Willi theft of a handling con taining $7156 in Jewelry ami securi ties, wlillc paying a social call at her home. Mrs. Metcalfe, in her complaint. alleged that she left Johnson alone in a room where the handbag lay on a table. When she returned, accord ing to her story, both the handbag and the minister were gone. The min'ster denied the charge. GIGANTIC BONES FOUND Houd Construction Crew Digs Up Remains of Mastodon. SPOKANE, March 16. Discovery by road construction crew of gigantic bones of an animal believed to be a mastodon near Penawawa, on the Snake river, last Saturday, was re ported hero today by liev. M. W. Fink of I'enawawa. lie said the skull wa8 " ' " . 11 l"e P" In diameter at tho base and the teeth four to five inches across. Unly the foiequarters were un earthed. It Is expected that an effort to unearth the entire skeleton will be made. INDEX OF TODAY'S NEWS The Weather. YESTERDAY'S Maximifm fmperature, 54 degrees; minimum, u7 degrees. TODAY'S Kalr; northerly winus. rorrijtn. Kapp government in Uerlln tottering and end Is believed near. I'ago 1. New treaty reservation deriared to to limit of rcpubliraufi. 1'BKfi 1. England on guard to prevent return of ex-kaier lo Uermany. t'age 2. Ebert government 1 itrong lor peace. Tage 6. National. ' Wood now regarded as undi.sptlted leader tor republican nomination, i'age 4. Kew treaty reservation proposed declared to be limit of republicans, i'ago 1. Two fleets to Join for maneuvers on Pa ctfle next January. I'ago 1. Germany mii-sed big chance to stop V. S. troop movements, says Sims, i'age 4. Tongue Point nava. bae project recom mended, by houso committee. I'age 1. Republlean presidential candidates seek ing delegates in middle wept, i'age 1. Iowa republicans choose Lowden tirst. Wood second. I'age .'I. Champ Clark, former speaker of house, not In race for senatorship. I'ago 1. lomentlr. ; Kx-convlel who held federal Job aids tn lumt.er.fruud investigation. I'age 3. -uiij... nnrlih nn UmV hnm from Kfl'llOol ' i - - in North Uakota binzard. I'agu 0. j ' I'aelfle Northnet. !3'.onO taken by highwaymen from Seattle i " Income-tax office. I'age 4. Delav reduced one half In forwarding com pilation to Injured workmen. I'age 7. Sports. Beaver-Cuh game postponed to Thursday- rain. I ago 14. Meehan and Walker all set for tonlgjhfi battle at Mllwaukie. l'aso 14. Listless game played in scholastic basket finals. I'age 14. Barker bread team latest entrant iu gcml- pro baseball. Page 13- Commercial and Marine. Klour-sclling In larger volume In north west, fage Si. Corn lifted at Chicago by eastern shorts buying. I'age 113. Stocks unsettled by reaction In specula tive issues. I'age ill. Crooked tall shaft breaks propel lors on West Nosska. Page Portland and Vicinity. Non-rrtl!,an !ea&uo ln North Dakota said to be about done. Pago 8. Eugene Smith denies deal with anyone In candidacy. I'age 0. Soviet indorsed by communists, Baullt ad mits on stand. I'age 1. Site for now park la donated to city. Page 12. judge William rialloway dies at The palles. Page 8. Gasoline price goea up 2 cents gallon to day. Pas' 1- Communist Defense Wit ness Is Cornered. REDS' AIMS BARED IN COURT Wife of Man Held for Depor tation Also on Stand. TRIAL IS NEARING END U'Ren E.peel5 lo Coiuludo Cae Todays Cro-s-I'.iumlnallon Is to lie Itrlef. That the maniferto Issued by the "reds" at the communist Interna tionale, also known as the third In ternationale, meeting in Moscow, Rus sia, last spring, was adopted as a whole by the communist labor party of America, was an admission wrun from Victor aulit, representative of Oregon at the first convention of that organization ln I'hlCHiio, who now awaits deportation, ln tho course ot his cross-examluat Inn yesterday by Kar.l F. Bernard, deputy district at torney. Saulit was called to the witness stand by the defense In the criminal syndicalism trial of Karl W. Osier. Fred W. Frey and Claud Hurst. prominent In tho local orxanUAllon ot the communist labor branch. Approval la Admitted. After conceding that consideration of the manifesto required Its rejection or adoption. Sunlit acknowledneil that the communist labor convention went on record as Indorsing the document Saullt gave an Inslnht Into some of the alms of tho new party, though he disclaimed any tendency toward the use of violence. What do you mean by 'dictatorship of tho proletariat?" ho was asked. "It Is tho scientific expression lor majority rule." 'Then we do not have It In thli Icoiinti y'. "No, but we will have It when th workers rule They arc t5 per cent of the people." Will they rei'iitrn l.e the constitu tion of the I'nllcd Slates?" 1 don't know." Wltnrxa t(iUsrd n Altitude. Vou mean they will recoiinuo no law but those made by I hiinsi'lve7" Yes, for they w ill be the majority. Dll you ever hear of tho require ment of threc-lourt lis vote ot ma stales to amend tho constitution of the United States?" 'There is a movement on in this country to do away with the clause of tho constitution requiring; threo- fourths vote," responded. Saullt. Yes. I understand there Is," was the dry comment or Bernard. John Heed, one of the national leaders of the communist labor party. was an Ititimntc friend of Irnlno and Trot.ky,' was lie not?" pursued Ber nard. Drlcusjcy la Adittlllrd. "I don't think so. Lenlne nd Trot.ky have no time to waste estab lishing friendships," was the reply. "Reed is a delegate to the third In ternationale from tho communist la bor party. Is he not?" "He Is one of them." "Then the communist labor party of America Is under the direction of tho third internatiotiale?" "Not yet." Saullt found some difficulty In ex plaining; provisions of the platform of the communist labor party to the ef fect that there whs no opportunity for tho laboring class to gvt control of the ttovernmcnt through the regu lar political machinery, and that the chance of winning advance reforms by ballot was extremely remote and if successful would not weaken the "capitalistic" grip. Intent la lw Force llralrd. He Insisted throughout that noth ing rough or savoring of the use of force was Intended. Where tho plat form said "overthrow" Saullt declared It merely meant "change" of govern ment; where it spoke of "capturing" power, ho explained that "capture" meant "change of hands." Asked what the communist labor party thought was wrong with this country, Saulit replied, "No man In this country receives the full product of hiboll If he is working for some body else I mean exploited by some body else. He cannot receive the full product of his toil under the capitalist system." "Just what arc your plana for estab lishing a communist society?" "We have no plans yet, but we In tend to establish one." "Well, what means will you use? "We intend to bring about the com munist society through education of the workers to their class conscious ness. Then they will know enough to find means." Though copies of the constitution" of soviet Russia were found by the hun dreds in a raid on the hall of the com munist labor party, Saullt explained that the reason the communists had not circulated copies tot the constitu tion of tho United States, which he Bald was approved by them, was that . It would be "too expensive." "Does the communist labor party subscribe to the constitution of the United States V "Why, yes. It approves of It." "Then why djd it not circulate (Concluded on Pago Z. Column 1.) i i , .- . i i 7 i t ' fj s- B V . V--. " .-." 'j' - - '