PORTLAND, OREGON, WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 37, 1918. PRICE FIVE CENTS. VOL. LVIII. NO. 18,100. DIPLOMATS DIPPER AS TO PEACE VIEW Method of Procedure at Conference Discussed. U; S. STANDS FOR IDEALS America Urges League of Na tions Before Settlements. OLD VIENNA PLAN OPPOSED Rival Schools of Diplomacy Kach Advocating Ideas Prior to Be ginning of Peace Discussions. PARIS. Nov. 26. (By the Associated Press.) A league of nations is likely to figure before the peaco conference at an early stage of the proceedings. In stead of being relegated to the close, after the territorial aspirations of the various powers are settled. Two distinct viewpoints now have de veloped on this subject. The American view is that the corn ins congress will not be like the Vienna congress, which devoted Itself principally to arranging what each power should receive as a result of the Napoleonic upheaval. According to the American view the present war was based on certain high ideals and was not a struggle for territorial gains. Ideals Deeaied First. Ideals should come before territorial aspirations in the deliberations of the congress, it is held, and these Ideals having been first defined, should there after be the main guide in national as pirations. One of the chief of these ideals, it is pointed out. was to prevent future war fare, and a league of nations has been generally and officially accepted as the most practical organization for ac complishing that Ideal. It is, therefore. held that this should be one of the first subjects considered and should set a standard of Ideals for other subjects following. It can be stated this American view of procedure has found warm sup porters in England and France, though there also Is another viewpoint which clings to the old procedure under the Vienna congress, whereby Individual aspirations for territory should have first consideration. Early Peace la freed. Those urging that territorial ques tions should come first say it is highly desirable to sign a peace treaty em bodying the essential details at the earliest possible moment, so as to terminate the official war period under which troops are held for the dura tion of the war, and railroads, tele graphs and other public utilities are similarly affected, until peace is de clared. According to this view an early peace agreement on essentials would release the armies, including the American troops holding -the occupied regions. Having secured an early agreement on territorial and other practical de tails, it is suggested the larger general questions, like a league of nations, could come up later for extended dis cussion either by the peace congress or a separate international congress to formulate the working details of the league. Two Views Contrasted. This view Is chiefly held by those favoring the old Vienna congress pro cedure of individual claims first, while the American viewpoint Is distinctly favorable to establishing Ideals first as the guiding principle of the con gress. The appointment of the Brazilian delegates. Nilo Pecan ha. the Foreign Minister, and Ruy Barbosa, Ambassador to Argentina, is leading to a discus sion as to what extent the South Amer ican countries will support a league of nations and the effect of the league on the Monroe Doctrine. It is the gen eral understanding that South American republics have the same favorable at titude toward a league as the allies. Whether a league of nations, in which Europe would be largely repre sented, would extend its authority to the western hemisphere. Including South. Central and North America. Is not clear, but the prevailing view is that its authority would be universal. Monroe Doetrine Involved. It is said this could not be a sub stitution of the league's authority for ' the Monroe Doctrine in South American affairs, but rather an extension of the Monroe Doctrine, whereby joint Inter national action would supplement and reinforce the Monroe Doctrine. PARIS. Nov. 26. (By the Associated Press ) When the American delegates and their staffs of specialists arrive In Paris for the peace congress they will find a complete chancellory organized for them. This is being arranged under the direction of Joseph C Grewi for mer counselor of the American Em bassy In Vienna, who came to France with Colonel House. Divisions of Internal law. geography. economics, personnel and Intelligence already have been organized and when the staffs arrive every man will have his place In divisions ready to func tion. Complete Mass Obtained. The divisions of international law and of geography probably will be the most important1 branches bearing di rectly on the work of the peace con gress. The geography section '111 be concerned with the boundaries of new (Concluded oo !' 2. Column 2.) TOWBOAT PRONTO IS RAMMED AND SUNK TWO MEN" AND WOMAN" OX TCG HAVE NARROW ESCAPE. Tug Is Struck "by West View, an 8800-Ton Schooner III-1-atea Crart Valued at $25,000. The Port of Portland towboat Pronto was accidentally rammed 'on the star board side and sunk at the municipal terminal pier dock No. 1 tt 8:55 o'clock last night by the West View, an 8800 ton steel schooner, which had Just ar rived at the dock and was preparing i take berth aft of the French vessel General Serret. moored to the municipal pier. The Pronto is valued at iza.uuu. She was rammed amidships. The French steel schooner Nancy was monrrd with two other French steel schooners, the General Serret and Del- fort, just north of the Pronto, ana when the West View swng around after she had rammed the Pronto she crashed into the side of the Nancy. The Nancv's mooring chains were swept away and the side of the vessel was caved in, but it is said she Is not tak ing water. The Nancy is loaded ana ready to leave port. The damage to the Nancy was estimated at several thousand dollars. The collision occurred at 8:50 and the essel sank in five minutes. The Pron to was moored at the south end of the terminal pier at the time of the col lision. In turning around the West View came too close to the dock andi before her engines could be reversed she rammed the Pronto. Only the top of the smokestack Is visible above the water. An outgoing tide and the strong current in the river was said to have been responsible for the accident. Two men and one woman aboard the tugboat had narrow escapes, accord ing to A. H. Steuer, watchman at the Terminal pier, who rescued the trio. The Pronto had listed heavily to starboard when Steuer heard cries in the hold. He shoved a plank over to the top of the pilot 'house, and Mrs. Joseph Lawlor, cook aboard the tow vessel, climbed the plank to safety. Ben Robbins, a deckhand, and the fire man also managed to clear the vessel Just efore she sank. Captain Pease, Jr.. is the master of the tugboat Pronto. The General Serret. Delfort and Nancy were all constructed at the Foundation shipyard. GOTHAM POLICE ON GUARD Precaution Taken to Prevent At tack on Socialists. . NEW YORKl Nov. 26. Police reserve from three Inspection districts were ordered out tonight to prevent a clash between soldiers and sailors and Social ists attending a meeting of Interna tionalists in East Fifty-Eighth street. The demonstration of soldiers, sail ors and Marines against the red fUg at the Socialist meeting at Madison Square Garden last night was charac terized as "rowdyism" today by Police Commissioner Wright. "If men in uniform would mind their own business and act in an orderly manner," said the commissioner, "the police department can handle, the rest. The police can handle citizens, but they do not like to have sailors or soldiers interfere. They don't like to- do any thing to a man in uniform." The commissioner added that he un derstood the Socialists were going to discard the red flag for a blue one. CAMP TAYLOR CONVERTED Government Authorizes Use as Civil ian Training Camp. CHICAGO Nov. 26. A step toward universal training has been taken by the Government, according to Wharton Clay, executive secretary of the Mili tary Training Camps Association, with the authorization today of Camp Zach ary Taylor, near Louisville, Ky.. as a training camp for civilians. Mr. Clay announced tonight he re ceived a dispatch from Charles B. Pike, chairman of the Chicago branch of the association, who is in Washington, de daring the Government had authorized the use of Camp Zachary Taylor as a training camp for civilians. The camp, which will be under com mand of Captain F. L. Beals, .U. S. A., will start January 6 and a limited num ber of civilians will be enrolled for two weeks' training. DEMOBILIZING UNDER WAY Army Physicians at Camp Lewis to Examine 230 Men Dally. CAMP LEWIS, Tacoma. Wash., Nov. 26. All members of the permanent personnel, including non-commissioned officers, represented in the eight bat talions of the 166th depot brigade scheduled for demobilization appeared before Army physicians at the muster ing office here fpday and received their Physical examinations preparatory to discharge. These men were In addition to ap proximately 800 enlisted men who had volunteered in the regular Army for the period of the emergency together with National Guardsmen in the serv ice by federalization. These examina tions will continue at the rate of 250 a day. BAKER ASKSF0R FUND Transportation May Be Furnished Discharged War Workers. WASHINGTON. Nov. 26. Secretary Baker expects soon to submit to Con gress a request that an appropriation be made to relieve war workers who will be released when reorganisation of the War Department to a peace basis begins. Thousands of employes will be dis missed then, and Mr. Baker plans to ask that each be given transportation home. 1DUSTRIAL CRISIS I GREATLY FEARED Cancellation of Contracts Vigorously Protested. TELEGRAMS ARE' SENT EAST Fleet Corporation and Defense . . . Council Warned. . DISASTER SAID TO IMPEND Thousands of Laborers Thrown Out of Employment May Consti tute Grave Menace. Telegrams from men prominent in National, state and industrial affairs are pouring into Washington and Phil adelphia in protest against the suspen slon of work on wood steamers under contract, as ordered Monday by the Emergency Fleet Corporation, and their tone Is that the step, following on the heels of the stopping of work in spruce production, the closing down of mills and other effects, will bring about an industrial crisis in this territory. The Chamber of Commerce and State Council of Defense, with the Rotary Club, Oregon Shipbuilders' Association and others, telegraphed to National of ficials last night, even President Wil ron being importuned to take steps to forestall carrying into effect at once the step, which has ' assumed such alarming aspects. Governor Withycombe to Act. It is understood that Governor Withycombe will take action today to place ' the situation squarely before President Wilson, from his standpoint, and the apprehension he feeds for the welfare of state interests, with such a number of men already thrown out of employment, through stopping war work, and the army of shipbuilders that will be idle In the near future. All yards are already beginning to curtail theV 'strength, the managements real izing that as rapidly as -a hull is launched there will be nior to take its place. With every hull floated, probably 200 men will be out of work. and as there are more' than a score of plants in the Oregon District, it is feared the discharges will assume most disastrous proportions. Telegram Seat Department of Laber. H. W. Corbett, president of the Cham ber of Commerce, sent the following telegram last night to William B. Wil son, Secretary of the Department of Labor: ., ... We beg to preaent for your .consideration a moat serious situation which has develooed In Oregon and Washington. The Emergency r ieet corporation baa undertaken to cancel all contracts for 'wooden vessels where con struction has not already commenced, not- wiinstanaing tne reel that material la as sembled and sub-contracted, and notwith standing contracts contain no provision for cancellation. . In view of the fact that we are Just emerging from war which was fought to sustain the sanctity of obli gations, it is inconceivable that our Govern. ment will conscloualy sanction such arbitrary exercise of power. Furthermore, as you know, spruce production for aircraft in this territory has recently been 'suspended and (Concluded on Page 3, Column 1.) l Vjl jvDVsftssskitiisMWMsWsk ""Si xsxssryss .s . , . . mmmmmwMM, Daily Casualty Report. WASHINGTON Nov. 26. Today's casualty reports total 2801 names, of which 969 were killed in action, 213 died of wounds, nine in accidents, 496 of disease, 160 are wounded severely, 293 degree undetermined, 278 slightly wounded and 383 missing in action. Following is the tabulated summary: Deatha Rep. Today. Total. Killed in action-. 16.090 969 1T.05D U at -ma .' . 306 Died of wounds 6.589 213 Died of disease 7,939 496 Died of accident .' 1,552 8 396 6.802 8.433 1.561 Wounded ..43.416 Missing and prisoners... 8,341 160 934 43.576 9.4U5 . Total - casualties ......88,523 2801 89,324 Owing to the great length of this list the names of those wounded slightly and in an undetermined degree, except those from Oregon. Washington and Idaho, are omitted. The following casualties are reported by the Commanding General of the American Expeditionary Forces: , , . OKEGON. Killed in action Funk, Calvin T. (Sgt.). London, Oregon. Deetz, Edwin II. (Cpl.), Aurora, Oregon. Smith, Edwin, Timber, Or. Pyrits, John 4L, Gardener, Or. Hansen, Hani J. s.. Laglers, Or. Iverson. Melvin S., Silvcrton. Or. Jacobson, Edward, North Bend, Or. Mprln, Edward, Baker, Or. Died of wounds Carhart, Gustav Q(Sgt.), St Johns, Or. Uno, Albert, Portland, Oregon. Died of accident Cronquist, Arthur John (Sgt.), Hillsdale, Or. Died of dispute Brown, Charles A. (Cpl.), Athena, Oregon. Wounded slightly White, Solon T. (Corp.), Friend, Or. Fenn, Leland T., Kyssa, Or. Missing: in action Krumlauf, Asa G., Garibaldi, Or. Thornley, Charles, Brookall, Od. Satterneld. William L. Sill. Junction City, Or. Wounded, undetermined (previously re ported misaing-) Dow. William, Astoria, Or. Keturned to duty (previously reported missing) Perkins, Garrett, Gateway, Or. WASHINGTON. Killed in action Stanton, Edwin H. (Sgt.). Riggs. Wash. Krentz, Ernest R. (Sgt.), Seattle, Wash. Larsen, F. M. (Corp.), Port Madison, Wash. Rockafellow, Budford (Cpl.), Wlnlock, Wash. Hennessey, Martin F., Tacoma, Wash. ' Oaks, Willi E., Colville. Wash. Chlsm, Charles S.. Cheha.Ua, Wash. Miller. William, Seattle. Stearns, Peter, Seattle. Halverson, Oscar, Hooper, Wash. Millsap, Earl, Asotin, Wash. Gerhauser, Carl F., Fairfield, Wash. Oliver Matthew L... Seattle. Wash. Vestergaard. Magnus, Seattle, Wash. Died of wounds - Jacobson, Henry A. (Corp.) Alpha, Wash, Wounded seventy Jargensen, Carl J., Seattle, Wash. Wounded, degree undetermined- Winston, A., Seattle, Wash. (With Canadi ans). Meacham. Burton W., Tacoma, Wash. nooBOed mignviy Bemp. Otior A.r A'1'yn.'WasK" Missies; in action- Anderson, William, Poulsbo, Wash. Gust, George, Seattle. Swensen, John, Seattle, Wash. Kussman, Nick, Altoona. Wash. Wounded, undetermined (previously re ported missing) Eustratlo, Theododltus,' Tacoma, Wash. Smith. Earl, Seattle, Wash. Wounded slightly (previously reported missing) Embree, Lester W.-. Sunnyside, Wash. Keturned to duty (previously reported mlBSing) Petteys. F. E., Seattle, Wash. Prisoners , Larrabee, E. P. (Lieut.), Bellfagham, Wash. at Llmburg. IDAHO. Killed In action Murdock. Lindsay Victor, Idaho. Meeker, Francis, Melba, Idaho. Anderson, Broor, Mullan, Idaho. Worthington, Robert C, Jerome, Idaho. Pauerson. Lee R.. Wilder, Idaho. Lien, Martin O., Kendrick, Idaho. Mead. Joseph P., Clarksfork, Idaho. - Died of wounds Olsen. Wolf C. Ionia, Idaho. , Died of accident JCas. Peter A., Kendrick, Idaho. (Continued On Page 7, Column 1.) MAN TO MAN. W: IS Food Is Declared Vital to German Democracy. FAMINE ALONE IS FEARED Bolshevism May Reign Starvation Prevails. if AMERICA TOLD OF NEED Menace to Establishment of Perma nent Government Seen by Socialist Leader. BY ARNO DOSCH-FLEUROT. (Copright, 191S, by . the Press Publishing Co.) (The New York World.) (Published by Arrangement) BERLIN, via Copenhagen. Nov. 26. (Special Cable.)--"Our National Assem bly will probably be called in Febru ary," Phillip Scheidemann, leader of the majority group of Socialists and former Minister of Finance and Colonies, said to me today. "We would call it much sooner if it were technically possible, for the'longer the delay the greater the danger to democracy. "As soon as an exact date can be fixed we shall name it, so that the whole world may understand and appreciate our determination and our sincere pur pose to establish a democracy in Ger many and give all our people a chance in the government; but because the en tire people must have a vote we shall need several weeks to register voters and to construct the election machinery. That is why we cannot fix a date at this time." America la Skeptical. Scheidemann spoke with special earn estness, afl my questions to him had been designed to draw from him a posi tive and unequivocal expression. "The entire world, especially Amer ica," I said, "is skeptical regarding your power to assemble a constitu tional' congress ' 4nd " make Germany really democratic. We see your gov ernment based upon soldiers' and work men's councils, representing only a por tion of the people. We know dangers of manipulation of class bodies In the establishment of a democracy, having seen the soldiers' and workmen's coun cils In Russia drive out a constitutional assembly. So we need to be convinced by actual demonstration that the pres ent German government is sincere in its purpose to convene a national as sembly." Scheidemann had received me almost immediately when I presented myself. He showed he understood our misgiv ings by saying: Famine Is) Feared. "Our present government has stated and repeated our intention to call a constitutional assembly as quickly as possible. I can understand why the rest of the world ehould doubt our abil ity to carry out -the plan, but only a national catastrophe, such as famine, can ' prevent it. Ninety-five per cent (Concluded on Page 2, Column 1.) SC MI PLEADING FQRAID SCHOOL TAX LEVY IS DEFEATED BY VOTERS TEACHERS' SALARY RISE LOST BY ABOUT 450 VOTES. Failure of Measure Attributed to Indifferent Attitude of Persons Interested in Election. Portland school teachers receiving less than $3000 salary annually will not receive an increase in pay. The measure proposed by the Port land Board of Education to obtain $230,000 to make the advence possible was defeated by a majority of 428 votes at the election yesterday. Of the 4174 votes cast, 1873 were in favor of the proposed increase and 2301 were against it. The measure carried in but 18 of the 62 precincts. School authorities were greatly sur prised and disappointed .over the out come of the election. They declare fail ure of the measure was due largely to the teachers' attitude that it is below their dignity to solicit attention to the election or to take any action which might savor of politics or electioneering-Members of the Board of Education are determined that in some way the 100 Portland teachers receiving the minimum salary of $800 a year shall receive an increase. About $20,000 will be necessary to advance the salaries of these teachers to $1000 annually, and as yet no plan has been devised by the board to"tbtain it. GOVERNOR PLANS WELCOME Move Started to Transport Oregon Soldiers as One Unit. SALEM, Or., Nov. 26. (Special). To bring all of the Oregon boys overseas home as a unit so that the greatest celebration and welcome in the history of the state may be accorded them, is the purpose of Governor Withycombe in writing to Secretary of War Baker to day asking if the homecoming cannot be arranged in that manner. At the present time the boys are scat tered in various sectors of the lines in France and Belgium, but the executive believes arrangements could be made so that they could be transported home as a unit, particularly the 162d Regi ment, if it was found the plan could not apply to the drafted men as well. The Governor is anxious to see ' wonderful welcome, celeoration ac corded them at Portland. SOLDIERS AWAIT BLANKS Spruce Division Demobilization Held , Up Temporarily. VANCOUVER BARRACKS, Wash., Nov. 26. (Special.) Soldiers stationed at this post are marking time awaiting the beginning of the demobilization of the Spruce Production Division. Of ficial announcement that demobilization would begin as quickly as necessary blanks were received from Washington was made today In the Straight Grain, the post paper. It is generally believed that the blanks will be on hand to allow, the demobilization to begin Saturday or Monday. During the watchful waiting the men are finding time heavy on their hands, f "HOLD INSURANCE" SLOGAN Soldiers and Sailors to Know Rights and Privileges. WASHINGTON. Nov. 27. With "Hold on to Uncle Sam's insurance," as a slo gan, a nation-wide campaign to induce soldiers and sailors to retain their gov ernment insurance after they return to civil life was inaugurated today by Secretary McAdoo. "Every soldier and sailor will have explained to him before he is dis charged the rights ar.d privileges held under the war risk Insurance act." INDEX OF TODAY'S NEWS The Weather. YESTERDAY'S Maximum temperature, 43 degrees; minimum, 37 degrees. TODAY'S Showers, followed by fair weath er; moderate northwesterly winds. War. Official casualty list, rage 1. Foreign. British study how to extradite Kaiser. Page 2. Schiedemann, Socialist leader, pleads with America to feed Germany. Page 1. British disturbed by views of Wilson on free dom of seas. Page 4. Allied diplomats differ as to peace settle ments. Page 1. Peru and Chile adjust difficulties. Page 3. National. War works many changes in Army. Page 3. Four tons of German propaganda material seized. Page 12. Power of General Semenoff wanes. Page 2. Domestic. Editors, back from tour, decry loss of lives. Page 1. Flight to Washington abandoned when bi plane falls. Page 5. Mrs. Wilson orders elaborate outfit of clothes lor European trip, fage z. Tons of Hun propaganda held. Page 12. Pacific Northwest. Phone service must be bettered, says Oregon Commission. Page 10. Sports. Hcilig Theater secured for boxing smoker. Page 14. Diets wants coaching position with. Pacific Coast college. Page 14. Commercial and Marine. Government places contracts for December flour. Page 19. Short flurry gives Chicago corn market sharp lift. Page 19. Wall Street stpeks recover with easier money market. Page 19. Fortland and Vicinity. Labor unions favor strike to aid Mooney. Page 4. Speaker claims are branded as untrue. Page 11. Bride begins story before grand jury in Twombley murder case. Page 6. Worcester block damaged by fire. Page 20. Need of continual food saving told at con ferencer Page 13. Northwest lumber industry hard hit. Page 12. Max Houser offers $10.00 for Oregon High way Memorial. Page S. Cessation of shipbuilding declared to consti tute grave industrial menace. Page 1. Churches to give thanks for victory. Page 14. School tax defeated by voters. Page 1. Weather report, data and forecast, fags IS, 1 HASTY MOVEMENT OF TROOPS COSTLY Editors, Back From Tour, Decry Loss of Lives. BRITISH NATION IS FRIENDLY Visit to Battlefronts Finds the Americans in Action. IRISH QUESTION IN TANGLE Newspapermen Are Dined by Roy alty, Inspect Grand Flot, and Are Given Every Courtesy. BY EDGAR B. PIPER. ' (Editorial Correspondii.ee to The Oregonlan.) NEW JORKNov. 26. (Special.) The 12 American editors who went to England, Scotland, Ireli..d and Franco to see the war returned today minus two of their number, who had been obliged to make other plans. They left New York on September 25 on t" j steamship Orontes, in a convoy of 12 vessels, and after a rather heroic ex perience due to storm and to sickness among the troops and crew, arrived in Liverpool on October 7. Twenty or more American Holders had died on the Orontes of iii.luenn and pneumonia, and had been buried a! sea. Hasty Transportation Contly. They were victims of faulty and hasty methods of embarkation, which pertjaitted overcrow.ding under unsani tary conditions in a measure not ex cusable, and which was evidently due to an ambitious desire on the part of certain American military authorities to make a record in the number of troops sent to the war in the least pos sible time without due regard for con sequences. When the full story of the dispatch r the soldiers is toll it will doubtless bo ' found that there was unnecessary sac rifice of the lives of many young Amer icans in the pell-mell rush across the ocean. Otranto Sinks In Storm. If fewer had been sent on at least some of the ships, more of them would have arrived in good health, and the results would have been more satisfac tory. The Otranto, flagship of the squadron, went down, in a violent storm off the Irish coast, with the loss of 500 or more soldiers. The editors were taken to London. where they were entertained in rather sumptuous fashion, and were given an opportunity to meet statesmen, poli ticians, writers, editors, soldiers and other men and women of importance, including the King and Queen. British Nation Friendly. The most vivid impression that sur vives of these first crowded days and nights in the British capital is thut there was a universal and frankly ex pressed desire to get along better'with the American Nation, and the Ameri can people. There was some talking of a League of "English-speaking nations; but if such a compact was ever really con templated in England, it must have been obvious from the attitude of tho ; visiting journalists and of the other Americans that the tradition of no en tangling alliances with any European country still has a healthy survival in America. It was frequently said, however, thnt nothing now was urged, or was re garded as practical but a common un derstanding to remove by peaceful means all subjects of national differ ence, and to promote by educational and other propaganda a more wide spread appreciation of the common ideals and common aims of all English speaking peoples. Grand Fleet Inspection. If England and America could know each other better, everything else could and would take care of itself. Theru the situation rests, so far as the editors are concerned. The journey to Scotland and through Northern England lasted nearly n week. There was a visit to the grand fleet in the P'irth of Forth at noeyth, near Edinburgh. When one recalls what was thus exhibited of the naval power of Great Britain, he does not wonder that the Germans came out of their safe refuge at Kiel and Heligo land, and surrendered without risking an encounter. It could only have hail one result. America's Power Is Felt. That is what preparedness docs in war. Without the British Navy ami British mercantile fleet, an allied vic tory would not have been possible. However, the British Navy alone did not win the jar. So much is conceded even in England. Without America, the war would surely have been lost. That much Is occasionally conceded in England. Public receptions were held for the editors by the respective corporations of Edinburgh, Glasgow and Carlisle. There was a wonderful day on the Clyde River with an inspection of ship building and of aeroplane, cannon, mu nitions and other establishments near Glasgow. Here was seen for the first time the vast extent to which women were employed in war work. Without the women, everywhere, with their adaptability, utility and willing patri otism, tho war would not have been won. The party was taken to France on (Concluded on 1'uge 2, Column 3) c